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It’s good to have a vet who can line up everywhere on the line. Nicer to have two. I must be smoking crack to think Schofield would have been the least shitty RT because the coaching staff hated Schofield like Republicans hate pedophiles. Oh wait bad analogy.
People said he was a bad fit for the offense, but getting your quarterback schmoined on every other pass drop is also kind of bad for the offense.
I understand not fitting in with long term plans, but in the short term sometimes you roll with what you got.
I was stunned to see both Schofield and Sambrailo jettisoned.
Osweiler is the only QB on the roster with a W on New England, right?
Let’s *clap* go *clap* Brock *clap*
I’m hoping to be surprised but ready to go 3-9 in the worst Patriot bitchslap since the QB who will not be named. F U New England.
The guy who beat Cyrus out in Detroit – Megabust Greg Robinson – got a cut a couple days ago.
Feels like Scott Pilgrim vs Todd. Hopefully Tom Brady has been cheating on his girl and his vegan diet.
Is Von’s ball sweat vegan?
It’s milk and eggs, bitch.
I think you’re still technically vegan if it’s force fed to you.
“You’re trying to trick me. I know you put half n half in one of those cups. I saw it in your minds eye. I’ll take the one with soy. Thanks, tool.”
“Actually muchacho, that was the one with half n half. I just thought really hard about using soy. In my minds eye. Or whatever.”
I did my part to thwart Tom Brady by having a bowl of Frosted Flakes and a Coca-Cola today. http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/companies/brady-coke-frosted-flakes/index.html
NBC has hired Chris Simms now? There’s another blast from the past name.
Fantasy question –
In a game down by 30 with Carolina D, Julius Thomas, Gano and a flex spot. ..
Hemanuel or CJ for flex?? I’ve gone back and forth 20 times.
I’d go CJ. Pats are weak against the run and Denver HAS to get CJ going to give Oz a shot.
Run, Forrest (says), run!
Tough call. CJ has fallen into a three way time share.
This is my biggest concern but like forrest said. They need to get the run game going and cj is their best shot imo, as far as 3 to 6 yard runs, setting up everything else. Also goal line carries hopefully (if they can get there and leave booker on the bench down there)
Pressure free football tonight!!!
I hope they play like a team with nothing to lose.
Very delightful of NBC to show a highlight reel of NE/DEN playoff games.
I don’t normally mind Al and Cris but wondering if I may have to mute this for awhile since they’ll mostly talk about crummy we are and Pats are awesome as always.
November 13, 2017
A Reuben sandwich at Subway? That is just wrong.
Waddle, you gonna get wrecked.
History just keeps repeating itself.
FU McKenzie!!!! I hope I never see this fucker on the field again
Good start for D
Good Start for McKenzie…if he wants to be working at auto shop next week.
Motherfuck this shit.
Un. Fucking. Believable.
I do not think McKenzie will be on this team next year.
He choked. No other way to say it.
Can’t keep a guy on the roster who fucks up the only reason he’s on the team.
You misspelled week.
He shouldn’t be on the team next week. He’s not THAT good of a returner to put up with these turnover issues. It’s worse than Norwood… and he’s not as good of a WR as Norwood and that’s not a high bar to clear.
I’m hoping mckenzie’s not on the team after half time. He has contributed one 44 yard return, 2 catches, and four fumbles.
Makes me nostalgic for those muffers of past NE games: welker and Holliday
Remember when that punt hit Tony Carter? That one stuck with me for a while.
They’re going to go after Stewart every time in coverage. He simply can’t cover one on one anymore.
And that is the danger of not mixing in zone looks, especially if the pass rush does not get to Brady.
If MacKenzie is in the game again tonight I’m gonna fire VJ myself.
It’s laughable at this point how often they shoot themselves in the dick.
Well that did not go as planned!
Are you sure? Because it seems like it must be planned at this point.
That sad thing is this does seem to be the plan the last few weeks.
And now the Verizon guy is on. Now, I am really triggered!
If you’re on the bronco defense and you didn’t quit last week like talib did, perhaps this is the last straw.
I wonder why teams don’t bring him left legged punters to practice just so guys can practice. Still think McKenzie should have called for a fair catch to give himself some breathing room. Oh well
Left foot punter is some collinsworth bullshit. Edit: anyone remember Horan producing a high rate of muffs during his 42 years punting for Denver?
Disagree. Still have bad memories of Welker fumbling against the Pats
LOTS of massholes at the game tonight. I’ll take Raider fan over these front-running pricks any day.
I work with three now—in Denver!
Can’t you talk to HR about that?
Are they cheating on their taxes?
That was one of Osweiler’s best throws.
He’s looking confident.
Sanders nearly coughed that one up
Nice script by McCoy so far.
Alan Branch looks like Uncle Phil from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
Booker still has no vision.
Go for it
Meant bad throw. I typed that after McKenzie and never posted.
Not a great throw either.
The throw was behind him.
Yeah. Accidentally posted that. It was a terrible throw.
I’m sorry but you need to score A LOT of points tonight. In chunks of 7 not 3, I think 27 minimum.
Can’t win with field goals.
Or fumbles deep near the red zone.
Why doesn’t Sanders return punts? I know the obv. answer is injury risk, but Antonio Brown is the Steelers primary PR. There are other examples but Brown is a top 3 WR and he does it willingly…
He has, on occasion.
I can’t recall the last time. Anyway, I mean regularly…
Our special teams are officially deplorable.
Special teams isn’t improving
Brock Oliver needs to leave on the same bus as McKenzie.
Wtf was that by booker? A helping push to end zone?
That’s what my wife said.
Mine, too. Don’t friggin’ dive or anything.
Pats kick it short we barely get to 20. We try to execute a similar KO and give up a TD return. And Booker pushed him toward the end zone…
What was that whole thing about not beating ourselves again?
I hope Vance Joseph punches Brock Olivo in his face.
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Any good special teams coaches out there?
I’d be willing to give it a shot. I don’t think I would be any worse.
I think we interviewed one for head coach. But hey we got our man in vj.
He probably would have been a great hire. Just understands how to lead and his units regularly win games. And not lose them (KC haven’t given up a punt or kick return TD since he got there).
Which Brock is off the payroll first.
Let’s go get a field goal, guys!
Colingsworth is in heaven right now. He’s able to shove that nose of his right up New England’s rear.
That fg decision looking even more avoid the shutout than game theory optimal.
The offensive play calling again is not the issue.
New England defense is just as porous as previous games. Unfortunately spotted them 14 on special teams.
Glad the Patriots d sucks so much this year.
This is a dogshit defense. They’re going to get their asses whipped in the divisional round.
We are letting them off the hook with two FG. Nevermind the ST play.
Get Booker out of there.
Our RBs have a problem with running where there is no space.
How is that not a flag?
Not Tom Brady.
We are getting zero breaks.
Suck my dick, ref.
Brady would have gotten it
Is there anyone on earth who disagrees with this?
Yep. Keep those FGs coming!
It’d be 6-0 if not for SPECIAL teams play.
True. If not for special teams, they’d still suck.
Awesome! We’ve cut it to a 3fg deficit.
Really really really need to blow up Brady for a strip sack here.
I mean assuming no return td
Can they return it for a TD? Because otherwise it’ll end in a FG.
Eff you, Packers.
51 absolutely sucks against the pass
Bennett sure looks healthy to me.
Someone needs to hit him hard.
Green Bay’s gonna get that signing bonus back.
Easily a yard short.
Not with a NE spot like that.
Seems that could’ve changed the decision or the play call.
Why is it that teams with poor defensive lines can blow through Denver’s offensive line, but Denver’s awesome defensive line can’t blow through teams poor offensive lines?
Because the other teams are allowed to hold.
Brady gets rid of the ball quick and moves around in the pocket and audibles well. That helps.
At least we deferred. :-/
Seems like the defenses weaknesses are pretty exposed at this point.
As in, the safeties aren’t great in coverage. Neither are the LBs.
Belichik figured out Talib could shut down opposing TEs when necessary… why don’t we try it once in a while.
He was on him that last play.
If so, I missed it. Glad though.
Gronk, Allen, Bennett : Green, Heuerman, Derby.
And we got derby from them
Playing the league’s two best quarterbacks in back-to-back weeks is brutal.
Cmon Davis finally has a pass breakup and they throw a flag?!
Late bail out flag.
Is that the best reply they got?
Replays have been terrible all game
Great play, Willie!
Nice play, Justin!
Eat shit, fucker.
Our young safeties looked great that series.
I wonder how much we play nickle and dime. With Wade, nickle was our base.
And strangely Stewart hasn’t been great this yr. Seems that he’s taken on more of Ward’s role and it doesn’t suit him quite as well… right?
31 is getting better. More comfy not overthinking
Shit! Down 4fgs now.
Solid return by Booker.
Woohoo. Past the 25
Is Booker really the best KR option when the Pats are actually giving Broncos return opportunities?
I didn’t know Brock was so tall. It’s never been mentioned.
We caught a break! Holy shnikies!
Anyone else see the guy get hit in the head by Block’s throw away. Worth the rewind
Was awesome, even my wife noticed in live broadcast!
That will be on That’s Good Broncos
Probably on Twitter already.
Missed it if anyone notices it posted
Offensive play calling gone cold. But Colinsworth says Os playing well.
And that’s what really matters.
Special teams gonna win it for us
Lawd have mercy! ST trash
If Brock Olivo is on the field again tonight, I’m gonna fire VJ myself.
Dixon made a nice play.
Lots of time
That’s what our special teams coach said.
I just mean that Brady had all day and a giant pocket.
What the hell special teams?! This is way worse than the home KC game that got Joe DeC let go…
If only the Broncos wouldn’t have taken your advice!
I actually thought Joe DeC got a raw deal… I liked him. BUT I was all for Olivo!
And draft bust Dorsett catches a pass. Ugh.
Fire Brock Olivo. Now.
I was so hopeful 4 yrs. under Toub meant something. Apparently not.
Looks like we got McDaniel’d by KC
I do wonder if Toub knew his interview was sort of a sham (clear it was VJ or Shanny) and panted the idea of Olivo as a sabotage…
That would be kinda hilarious if true.
Special teams has gotten worse and worse.
With our luck, the call will be overturned.
Replay assblasting all that’s missing tonight.
I think that’s a catch.
So do I!
I think it may have been, but definitely not overturnable
I miss having a guy like PFM on the field to audible into the right play calls.
I miss having a team that I expected to win. Haven’t felt like that since 2011.
Honestly, I always expected the Manning teams to win.
Broncos offense is winning 6-3.
Brock Olivo is making special teams adjustments. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/373468ca2619ed2af3e229e78e5280078b0e1e61e45263d3dacdc0618c6c6fdc.jpg
Well that’s like your opinion man.
The Big L
This team has no margin for error with our offense and we continue to gift teams with short fields because of turnovers and poor ST play. This game could get ugly quick. Need to score a TD stat!
LOL there it is
The Broncos now need a new equipment guy.
Right in the Omaha
Aim for Olivo next time
Just missed Brock O
What’s the fascination with Booker as a KR?!
Would you prefer McKenzie?
No. But Latimer is better. Ideally Langley looks like he’s built for the role. I think C. Henderson was supposed to do it…
Flashbacks to Sanders in the 2015 AFC Championship Game.
He’s saved Os a couple times, he looks determined tonight. Let him return punts too.
I thought the plan to have CJ not take himself out as much this yr. Booker gonna stalk the drive again.
Sanders came to play.
Good thing or it would be hard to imagine weve scored at all
I wouldn’t mind seeing the pass on first or second down once and awhile.
Have to go for it here. No more FGs.
Field goal is nonsense
Crazy. Does VJ really think he’s in this game kicking FGs…
At least McManus is having a good night.
4more FGs and we are in the lead!
and of course hold the pats to no points. That part should be easy…
We are McManusing the shit out of the Patriots!!!!
You could turn this game off after that decision confident that the Broncos will lose.
But none of us will, we like the pain.
I don’t see what is special about Booker. He look like JAG.
Bingo. Drive staller. And a brutal KR but he keeps getting chances.
I’m ready to call him a bust at this point.
He has almost zero homerun threat ability just like CJ in fact a notch below CJ. There’s no change of pace it’s just a lesser back
Yeah. That’s been my assessment as well. Lacks vision.
He kind of reminds me of a shitty Olandis Gary with a worse O-Line.
So, Gene Lang.
Olandis had power and vision. I don’t see anything from Booker. You know who he reminds me of? Lance Ball.
Lance Ball is a great comparison.
Olandis had quicker feet, Booker seems to be permanently in 2nd gear.
Which is weird because he looked a lot faster out of the gate last year
He reminds me of Ryan Mathews with poor vision.
He’s a lot like Laveon Bell, but different…
Both male bipeds.
Cris Collinsworth made a very valid point. We badly need a third receiver in the middle of the field.
This be true, we’ve all been saying this for a long time.
Carlos Henderson? Is he that guy?
That was/is the hope.
Another deep year for wideouts in the upcoming draft.
It was supposed to be Carlos Henderson
Brock has fit some passes into tight coverage tonight.
He’s playing a decent game, for sure.
Except we’re getting field goals. Not tds.
Brock has been good Brock so far.
He’s keeping us in and as long as he doesn’t throw to the wrong team
Can Olivo be fired at halftime?
One can hope.
It is sad that touchbacks bring me a sense of relief.
The hell was that? I think it should be safety
There ref shouldn’t have caught it.
Live ball, someone should have tackled the ref.
Fantasizing about a pick 6 before halftime…..
We might be fantasizing about the 6th pick if we can’t help out this defense.
Or special teams
Huh? We don’t have the ball. You mean after the pats punt?
Um,no, it would be us picking off a Brady pass and running back for a TD = pick 6.
Might even run out the clock on the run to the end zone.
I was so happy when we got serious and drafted three return men and goddamned if we don’t have any again.
I was there with you. Seems crazy to be in this position again. I do have hope for C. Henderson. He’s at least not tiny like MacKenzie. Where hasn’t Langley been?!
They really need to give Langley a chance.
Give Jerrol Garcia-Williams some reps.
Where are the Patriots finding all these white football players?
Kraft is a big Trump supporter.
I just figured maybe they had an ad on craigslist
The players you get from Craigslist are creepy Hernandez type guys.
I’m pretty sure that’s Backpage
well, looks like another game i can probably turn off at halftime. no passrush, no DEF, ST dumpster fire, and offense that cant score TDs.
For some comic relief, I’m in a tight fantasy game and playing against gostkowski and cmc on Monday. Now only up by about 12. I have Jordan Howard. Today John fox challenged a play that would have given Chicago first and goal at the 2. Call was reversed and ruled a touchback. I have Leonard fournette. In regulation, down 17-14, marquise lee draws a penalty in the end zone giving the opportunity for 1st and goal. And instead resulting in 3rd and 25. In overtime jax intercepts rivers and returns it to the 2 yard line. But they commit a taunting penalty and instead it’s at the 17 yard line. Now this debacle .
Yeah, the big bonus was getting an extra 2.9 points out of him in OT.
Standard scoring. I think I got like 1.3
I like the scheme of having Von in coverage. Solid.
Peko might be better.
It really plays to Vons strengths.
The bright side is when Von is in coverage the lineman can’t hold him.
Where is the pass rush?
Maybe Shaq and Shane aren’t all that goo.
They are playing like goo.
No HOF DeMarcus Ware makes a difference too.
Will they ever call grounding when a qb, even a non ton Brady qb throws the ball 30 yards out of the end zone from the pocket?
Were there really people who thought we would win this?
if the st wasnt a blazing bag of dog poo, we’d still be in it…. but, ST is what it is this year.
I thought we’d lose in a more predictable way. I didn’t anticipate complete special teams collapse.
No. But there was a lot of talk about leadership and effort, execution, etc. In the end, the same sloppy play. Ya Brock hasn’t turned it over and he’s made some nice throws, but lots of FGs.
Leaders of men apparently don’t focus on the details.
We’d be in this game but for entirely unforced special teams errors. Instead, we need a miracle not to have this season end in the next quarter. Wild.
Honestly wish he had fumbled.
What is 84 doing on the field again?! And bringing it out?!
Goodnight everyone, I’m going to bed.
Looks like a scrimmage for the Patriots
50 point to whomever can tell me when was the last 1st half TD this offense scored.
50 points to @whoshotbobbyhumphrey
I hate Tom Brady’s face.
So…how much raging was there against Brock Olivo and the special teams in the first half?
Quite a bit.
Not much. 🙂
We’re taking a collection to buy Olivo and McKenzie bus tickets to Siberia.
McKenzie will go somewhere like New England and blow up.
Brock would get there and be all overly optimistic.
PR fumble, blocked punt, KR TD. All against. Plus routinely starting drives inside 20. Kind of warranted.
More than anything else, you can see how overmatched our coaching has been this year. I feelthat we have been out coached by the other team except in only one game, Dallas.
And if the Broncos didn’t have those catches from Sanders…
I wonder how much it would take to make Peyton Manning come and be our special teams coach?
I think he’d lose his mind coaching.
He’s got a lot to spare.
Karma has to catch up to the Patriots at some point. I am so sick of that franchise. At least we won’t have to play them in the regular season in 2018 for the first time since 2010.
The next 3 possibilities would all be in Foxboro anyway.
I think there is a very good chance this will be the last game Brady ever plays in Denver.
Would have been nice to hand him another L.
Packers should have made him have that “sugergy.”
half second early
I’m not sure why VJ thinks that the only issue is ST. Of course it’s been a disaster tonight, but can’t cover TEs still, Burkhead eating them up all sorts of ways, and on offense no TDs. It’s a team issue.
Keep running the ball.
I see a lot of early contact go uncalled. I would hate to see pass interference become reviewable and result in a penalty, but would be interested in a system that would allow a team to challenge a play under a catch all ‘unfair advantage’ with success meaning replay the down. A do over.
Oh, goodness. Please be okay, Garrett.
At least it’s a good sign that he limped off.
That was a great pocket.
Notice that Brock, like TS has several times been forced by pressure to move laterally and backwards. Need a cleaner pocket.
And i need a million bucks.
Can’t fault Bolles there.
Brock has made some nice audibles tonight.
It may be the hideous Patriot’s defense, but our offense really has looked passable tonight.
I like that.
It’s 75% shitty d and 25% good o
“I’m not dead yet.”
Do we have a tight end?
A search party has been dispatched.
That’s a sweet FG! Wait…we scored a TD?! Woo hoo!!
This should be a thing
Someone should tell VJ
Osweiler > Siemian
2.5 > 2.0
Curious, what’s the difference between a 12 point and 11 point game with this much time left?
Meaning go for 2? Sure, why not?
Yea, it’s a net loss. I just think when your down two possessions already, give yourself a chance at tying with 10 instead of needing 11.
I was thinking they should go for two as well, but at least this way, maybe they’re less likely to settle for a FG.
Brock will start next week.
I’m going all in and wearing his jersey.
You have an Osweiler jersey?
Yep. Didn’t get mailed to the Philippines.
Os is 6’ 7”. Wouldn’t his jersey be a bit long on you?
What’s the point of that? We know what’s there in Brock and TS. Let’s see if by some miracle Lynch can play…
After four or five more years, Lynch will be ready. Brock’s just starting to deveolop now.
Ha. That’s great.
Can’t take out a QB who’s playing well.
He’s been the best we’ve seen at the position in weeks… but not sure he’s been good. Even the one TD was greatly aided by a ridiculously lucky 3rd and 10 conversion. I guess at 3 – 8 you’re playing for next yr. so why not let Lynch go?
Sure, if they get to 3-8.
Sorry typo. Even at 3-6. But I understand Dragon’s point that PT should be earned and while Os hasn’t been great he’s been the best we’ve seen in a while so give him another shot.
I still believe that players should earn starting time and that draft position is a sunk cost that shouldn’t matter once you get to the pros, you earn your opportunities and that’s how I prefer the Broncos always function.
I’d like to thank Brock Olivo for losing this game this far.
What is with Talib?
He looked far from 100% there.
Corners age suddenly 🙁
Rumored he has been nursing an Achilles issue.
I don’t think it’s age. Some attitude. Some just not putting it all on the line for a 3 win team where he’s seeing some teammates/coaches give games away.
And no pass rush and poor run fits.
Wade Phillips Play Calling > Joe Woods Play Calling
Not a lot better than Wade Phillips.
Our defense misses Wade!
We just have to arrange for them to meet up in some farfetched scenario that brings both back together. Maybe mom and dad can remember the magic.
I knew we were in trouble when VJ came in talking about how he wasn’t aggressive all the time like Wade.
Playing some good offenses, but Philly ran all over us, too.
I can’t figure it out. Peko tiring?
Playing really smart QBs with great playcallers.
Some explanation, but not enough when for such a steep dropoff.
VJ will say it’s only ST. But it’s a team issue including his defense that barely put up a fight there after the offense at least did something positive by crossing goal line for first time.
I think a hyper coach like Olivo has guys start tuning him out quickly.
I think he needs to start smoking Weed instead of Meth.
How arrogant of Elway to think Wade Phillips didn’t matter.
How arrogant of elway, and also fans.
Were there fans that didn’t want him back?
After he was not resigned, I mentioned on here how stupid it was and had responses of Wade Phillips defenses rankings dropping after the 2nd year, Joe woods is a rising star, and Wade is too old.
I was disappointed in his being let go and made my feelings known here. Wade probably has more experience as a DC than most that are coaching today. He really found his niche in Denver. It could have been 5 yr run for an outstanding defense. Now he does his magic in LA.
Wade on a 3 yr contract should have been a steal. Having another experience coordinator with HC experience would be a stabilizing force on this team. I would rather have lost Joe Wood than Wade.
I could understand if he decided to go for a highly touted offensive coach and knew that cutting ties with Wade was an unfortunate consequence, but I never understood bringing in a defensive guy and watching our fantastic proven coordinator leave.
After his work in Denve he deserved to be paid at the top of DC list. Rams thought so. I mean the Dolphins we’re paying an o line coach I had barely heard of that’s into coke and whores $3m!
Lol. Maybe je didn’t want to be complicit in a sonofbum coke/whore issue.
McCoy digging a little deeper in the playbook and finally seeing some nice returns. Read-fake screen, two WR in backfield, etc.
Collinsworth seems to have forgotten that about 1/2 the ne points are attributable to the special teams. D needs to do more, but I don’t think they’ve been ‘exposed’
They’re still good. Just no longer great.
Punting from midfield down by 18 with 1 quarter to go is the epitome of chickenshit coaching.
That’s 44 yards of field position. I predict New England will gain 44 yards in 4 plays or fewer.
That’s 3. One more for 10 yards?
Nice punt. #celebratesmallvictories
I have to say, if the Broncos get a FA QB, they should look at taking one of the top OLBs.
And that, my friends, is what a well-coached ST looks like: a guy with good hands who understands risk/reward on punt returns.
People shitting on the defense right now are cracking me up. Complain all you want, but the Broncos came into this game allowing 3.4 yards per carry, second best mark in the NFL.
They’ve allowed 205 passing yards per game, third best in the league. They’ve allowed just two pass plays over 40 yards, third best in the league. 20 pass plays over 20 yards, tied for sixth in the league.
The offense and special teams have conspired to allow opposing offenses to start in our territory 18 times, by far the worst mark in the league.
But, yeah, fuck Joe Woods, he sucks.
I don’t think saying letting wade walk was a mistake equates with saying joe woods sucks.
Agreed, Wade deserved to stay at an increase (he came on the cheap oroginally).
It’s a team issue at this point, but far bigger problems on offense and ST. With those two solved it’s a different defense, playing downhill. After offense did score tonight though, defense didn’t put up much of a fight… but I don’t blame them at this point. I’m more concerned VJ thinks the problem is only ST.
Wade was going to make the offense play better, I guess.
I would have understood the decision if they brought in an offensive head coach.
But I’m not upset with the coaches. Just think Elway’s decision was clearly poor.
Retaining wade for top dollar shows loyalty and a meritocracy versus saving a buck.
Offense sucks. Special teams apparently sucks too. The D looked great early in the year. But they have not looked good the last two weeks.
I get that the offense and special teams has put them in very bad positions. But even so, they were not able to make game changing plays…critical stops and turnovers. Two years ago, when the offense screwed up, we’d give up a FG. Now, it’s too often a TD…at least lately.
Those are cherry picked stats. Objectively the defense has been good, but not great. The run defense prior to last week has been elite. The pass defense has been ok, but not up to their usual standards. They rank 6th in defensive DVOA which is good, but their rating is much worse than previous incarnations. Pass defense DVOA is 15th or league average.
They aren’t bad, but they’re just not remarkable anymore. At that stage, you need at least an above average offense to be competitive.
Maybe if they could play with a lead for more than four minutes in the last month, they could make some big plays.
YPC is a cherry picked stat? Seriously? Yard allowed per game is cherry picked? Ridiculous.
YPA is 8th in the league which to me is a more important stat, so I’ll give them that. I wonder where the dropoff in DVOA is from, perhaps the lack of turnovers. Anyhow, they really have been worse this year than the last two years by a reasonable margin which is understandable because that’s within random variation and maintaining great level of play isn’t reasonable to expect. Few teams have ever had two such seasons in a row and fewer still have three, so it’s possible that the dropoff would have happened even if Wade remained, but his track record of significant defensive improvement is profound.
Field position update on punt from midfield. Patriots: 3 plays 28 yards. I predicted 4 to gain 44 it looks like it might take 5 or 6
We are Seattle without Russell Wilson.
How was that not intentional grounding?
Tom Brady does not intentionally ground the ball.
Tom Brady threw it.
May have been 7 yards. Weak call
Looked like it was within five to me.
Could this be another ST fuck up?!
Can. The ST get any worse?
We only had 10 guys on the field before.
We should get to average it all out and have 12 now.
Brock Olivio needs to go. Now.
Night, everyone. I’ll complain more in the morning.
This is worse than Jay Rodgers ST!
One solace is that next year, if they get even regular shitty ST coaching, we’ll see dramatic improvement.
Olivo has to go. Season-ending incompetence. We will have meaningful football again in September I guess.
Unemployment comes at you fast. Olivo
Should we start figuring out who will not be a Bronco next year, coaches and players?
Might be easier to figure who should be retained. Much shorter list. Take a look at the heat maps in the article I posted today.
That is a good article, DCJ.
It made me sad. I’d not truly believed the offensive rot was as deep as it looks. As much anger was aimed at Kubes and Rico for the offense last year, they were doing better with what they had.
Expected a flag.
Seriously after that BS flag he got vs KC a couple weeks ago.
I just think they call those now a lot of the time.
At least we no longer have to worry about losing Joe Woods.
Was he the dude that Brock beaned on the sideline?
Hey VJ got a HC job after one season as Miami’s DC with less than great results.
Should have signed McVea.
What is VJ surprised at there? No prsssure on Brady and you’re asking Will Parks to cover a shifty, good receiving back.
Honest question: does Mini Shabby or Toub do better for us as HC, hindsight and all that jazz
Win a loss on the horizon, would Elway let McCoy serve as interim coach to finish the season?
yep but Kyle can’t lead men
Well. Our pass rush went from elite to mundane in two seasons. I hope we don’t waste the few peak seasons Von has left.
No point on watching this game, it’s not a competitive one, nor fun. Players look animically deflated, they have given up. Why don’t we.
A few games with empty seats could turn on a fire under the management seats. Fanbase doesn’t have to be unconditional. I love the Broncos but they don’t seem to respect the fanbase by, you know, playing 60 minutes.
I blame my Hero for this.
I like watching who keeps fighting till the end
Chris Harris Jr. always. Love that undrafted fight.
Oz is not playing badly.
Solid. Until then. Bad, bad throw.
Very bad decision. Hes been late and behind on a lot of his throws.
I’m going to guess you jinxed it badly. TV is on Netflix now
So it appears.
Never seen such a collapse so quickly from this team. Not in 50 years of being a fan. Shutout by the Chargers, and blown out on back to back games like this is a first for me.
At least everyone knew McJedi hadn’t inherited a playoff contrender.
There was no reason to not re-sign Wade.
Just as there was no reason to can Joe DeC. Apart from the KC home game last yr. and Norwood’s ball security issues ST were the best in as long as I can recall under DeC, especially during the SB50 run. If Wade was Elway, was it Elway or VJ on DeC (pretty sure he even had a year left in his contract unlike Wade). Even the kicking and punting has regressed Under Olivo.
I’m pretty sure we can find several uncle Rico posts calling for DeC head on a pike.
I’m all for canning Olivo after this game. Im also beginning to agree that Wade never should have left. Defense has steadily gone downhill.
Can we forfeit?
No 10 run rule in the NFL.
At least Latimer getting some run.
I would bring him back at this point.
Absolutely. Best ST cover guy we have. And almost every time he catches a pass it’s for a first down. Great athlete. But 3 staffs have limited his time at WR… why?
I really think that he struggles in fully grasping playbooks.
He was McShay’s favorite prospect that draft… he mind f’d Elway into trading up for him.
Gotta be a cheap deal. We couldn’t keep Webster who was every bit as good on st as Cody. Wade snapped him up
Will be for sure less than Webster. Webster stepped in as a starting CB. No one is starting Latimer at WR.
Certainly. I would not overpay to keep him.
Looking back, it’s a boon to have a player who is now a starting CB on another team as the fourth CB on our team.
And the ultimate but not unexpected Brock moment.
Odds on Paxton starting next week anyone?
I would say close to 95%. EDIT: I misread. I meant this for Brock starting.
Please no. He still may have a chance of being good. Any QB that plays this season will have his confidence devastated irremediably
Sink or swim. Throw him in. He needs to see what it takes to play in the nfl. He’ll find he’s woefully unprepared. My only hope is it’ll light a fire under him this offseason and he’ll be more of a student of the game and learn to prepare properly.
He must. Os was okay tonight. But only one TD and that bad INT. At 3-6, have to see what Lynch can do.
Given he doesn’t appear to even be the emergency qb this week, I say 0%
Personally, I believe that guys should earn their starting time and that draft pedigree shouldn’t matter, but part of me wants to just see him start and suck miserably so we can move on.
They ought to. Season’s over. Might as well see what he can do.
Are there any elite OT coming off college this year?
Yes but good luck figuring out who.
Plenty of good to great RTs in rounds 1 and 2 to take.
BOLD prediction: all three QBs on the roster won’t be Broncos next season.
Bookmark this one, folks!
Interesting. I was thinking we could keep one as a backup.
Elway has proven to be obstinate to a fault when it comes to QBs. That would be a BOLD prediction. I say we keep at least 2 of the four.
Challenge: you need an OT, a running back, and a starting QB. I’m betting Lynch and/or Siemian will still be here as a backup.
Nah. Trevor and Paxton’s are still relatively cheap to keep as backups. I would hope we’ll have someone else that can start and play head and shoulders better.
Either one a quality backup. I wouldn’t write off Siemian forever. But, ideally if you go 3-13 or 4-12 you should be able to improve via draft. We will see, I guess.
Classy by pats there. Let’s run out the clock now
I don’t think we need bar graphs or analytics to tell us what’s been going wrong with our offense. We had Peyton Manning, we did really awesome with Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning started to suck, our offense started to suck, we had no answer to that or a back up plan for that. We also lost Demarcus Ware, Malik Jackson, Danny Trevathan, and Wade Phillips. Now we suck. Any questions?
Sorry man — I’m in management. Nothing’s real until it’s in a bar graph in PowerPoint…
My KC fan buddy just asked “why Booker on KR, he’s awful… looks like an upman”?
Because he can at least cleanly catch the ball. And tell him to go win a Super Bowl.
I have many times, ha. But Latimer is a better option. Langley too.
Meh. They did little when given opportunities thus far. I would like to see Langley more there to see if he has a future in such a role.
How about a playoff game
They finally won one against Brian Hoyer in 2015.
Hoyer was more valuable for the chiefs than any of their actual players in that game…
I don’t get it… down 18 we punt from midfield. Down 25 with 12 fewer minutes of game time were gunslinging it all over the field.
VJ doesn’t seem to have a good feel for game management.
Or football at a professional level
I turned it off after that punt while down by 18, thought that meant they were packing it in..
Cant wait until the Massholes suck for a decade after Brady. Fuck Belichick…for a guy who preaches excellence he shows up over weight like a fuckin unshaved slob in a dumb fuck hoodie about as professional as jeff spicoli
Mother fuckers throwing the ball and going for it on 4th at this stage is bush league.
Im convinced Jonathan Kraft is giving daddy a hand job in that stinky booth but too late Collinsworth already polished him off before the game…
Never forget the drop kick
Going for it on 4th was to avoid putting up more points.
Please..is that why they put it up down the sideline..
Well they can’t just kneel down, right? With 6 minutes left?
Order up that 12 jersey
Shove it up your ass
The Paxton jersey? Might improve its value!
You know, when the season goes badly, a sense of humor is sometimes all we’ve got.
Now, let’s make these high draft picks count.
Here’s to our getting the offense’s version of Von.
Tapping out early, but I’ll just note briefly that if it wasn’t for the special teams blunders this is potentially a 24-16 game. Not agreeing at all the the narrative of some of the lazy “massively declining defense!” takes I’m seeing on Twitter right now just because there’s a 41 in the NE column.
They’re certainly not playing like they used too. Defense has declined over the course of this season. That’s coaching.
Ya a different game, but just don’t think it was ever going to be that close…
Defense has the tools, lacks the motivation. And whatever coaching changes destroyed pass rush. Teams with a lot less talent have better results.
The defense is fine and there’s not a thing the sainted Wade Phillips could have done to make them any better this season. Not unless he was going to play right tackle.
He might have. He took several hits on the sidelines without getting knocked out.
Without Wade, we might get a better draft pick.
There is definitely a defensive decline, but I get what you’re saying. The sky isn’t falling. Just the sky is sagging a little bit.
Still quite good. But the pass rush just isn’t what it was, so they’ve gone from great to good.
Here’s an outside of this forum opinion:
Uninformed twitter hot takes carry little weight as unbiased evidence.
The 2013 Texans allowed 428 points. Rock solid take otherwise.
And the Patriots schooled Wade Phillips’s defense in the 2012 regular season and 2012 AFC Playoffs. Every game and season is a unique animal.
No, the defense isn’t responsible for all 41 points (or even close to all). But they are no longer covering for the offense’s mistakes. At least not since the loss to the Giants.
I hate when Tom Brady breaks PFM’s records.
Pfm is still the greatest ever. He redefined the position.
He just needed to eat more avocado toast to keep playing into his 40s.
Or never having a near career ending injury then pushing through half a decade and 2 Superbowls on a broken body.
It was a joke. . .
I know. I just miss pfm, even noodle arm pfm was enjoyable to watch play.
I read them both as jokes.
Or bang more model ass.
I think a Colt quarterback redefined the position, but it was Johnny Unitas.
I also wonder about the 3 back rotation… no one can get in a damn rhythm. And Booker is a drive staller. It’s ridiculous.
Holy cow, Hoyer looks tiny next to Brady.
What did I tell you about hanging out in the stadium restrooms after the game? Just get the hell out of there, and get back to complaining about our roster, and management!
You, sir, have won the post of the day and the Internet!
It makes me roll my eyes that they’re pretending that the Pats D is fixed narrative getting spouted. Their defense has looked terrible today against an awful offense.
Now that the Broncos have pretty much wasted any hopes for the playoffs, I would like to see the Jaguars or Eagles win the Super Bowl this year. Hopefully the Broncos can draft our next franchise quarterback and start working on the rest of our deficiencies.
Eagles look like the real deal for sure. They are kind of due, after various heartbreak scenarios during the McNabb era. It wouldn’t be offensive if they win.
I always root for them in that division just because I don’t like any of the other teams.
I just don’t want to see the following teams win the Super Bowl:
My only beef with the Falcons is that they didn’t beat the patriots last year.
Yeah exactly. I know at least 5 massholes or kids who only know the successful Patriots franchise (anyone under 25 basically) who were literally ripping their jerseys to shreds before the 4th quarter. A Falcons win would have been so… cathartic.
It’s sad to think back at how happy I was at halftime of that game.
It’ll end. I remember when the 49ers were contenders every single year. I was so mad when as Montana got old, Steve Young turned out to be great too. I was like Come on Man! Now, they suck.
And stupid Seattle. No team has had more teams just shit the bed against them. Donovan McYorg. Kasay slaming the kickoff out of bounds. Martz locking Faulk in the equipment closet at halftime. Getting myself pissed now.
Wow. What a fucking rogue’s gallery. I know it would kill you, but Seattle wouldn’t hurt me that bad. They have no shot. I would happily take the Chiefs over all the other teams listed.
If you could somehow find a way to move me out of Seattle, I would be on board with that.
You can crash on my couch bro
Haha! I appreciate it Amigo!
Have to disagree on the Chiefs. I’d love nothing more than to see them remain bereft of their founder’s namesake trophy until the heat death of the universe.
I can respect that.
Yeah. I guess I am going soft in old age. I detest the Chiefs with a passion, but know so many long-suffering fans who I like, maybe they deserve it after all these years.
My guess is your speak for many of us, especially with the first 3, unless one agrees with Yahmule on Seattle.
You would really rather see Pittsburgh or Dallas add to their total over KC getting their second and their first in nearly half a century?
Maybe I would feel differently after the fact and a chiefs superbowl would not be as insufferable as Dallas or pittsburgh (think fan base).
Something just feels wrong about choosing a division team over any other non division team.
By the way, please don’t look at any of my comments from this season’s opener!
I’d love to see a team QB’d by Bortles just dominate Brady and the Pats.
My question is who has the credibility to fire olivo? I don’t think VJ does. I think you have elway call Brock in and ask him to step down. If he refuses you tell vj to fire him. If vj balks, you can them both.
You don’t need to fire anyone at this point the season is unrecoverable. Let the drama unfold in January.
The locker rooms needs to be reminded this is a business if they want to keep those seats filled tho
Well, shooting the special teams coach to encourage the others may well make sense in this particular circumstance. I’m not ordinarily one for scapegoating, but what does the guy actually bring to the table? I suspect the coaching equivalent of “just a guy” would do no worse, maybe better, going forward.
This team is not as terrible as their record or some of the recent scores suggest, but now that we are here, they are a lot better off going 4-12 than getting a few bounces down the stretch and ending up at 7-9.
Possibly. A mediocre record might make them think they just need tweaks rather than a reboot on offense.
Nowhere to hide for Elway at that point. If you are picking 2 or 3, have to hit on a QB, if you are him.
Ugh. The risk involved with a first round quarterback selection really stresses me out.
I remember the Jets first draft. They drafted Joe Namath with their first pick and John Huarte from Notre Dame with their 2nd pick. Not sure Huarte ever saw the field. That was in the old AFL.
I think fourth is the lowest we’re likely to go, but third is possible. No way we’re getting in front of Cleveland or New York, IMO.
Chargers are doing their damnedest to out suck us, and frankly it pisses me off.
I can no longer tell myself that they aren’t this bad. I’m starting to think they are.
They are worse than thier record indicates. This is not a case of a string of bad bounces. The last 5 games have been over in the 3rd quarter.
I really love this Justin Simmons guy. I am watching him being interviewed right now. He is going to be a really good player and coach or analyst one day.
He was dropping some big hits out there tonight.
Well, the bright side is this coming draft is loaded in the positions where we need the most help. Three teams could pick quarterbacks before we do, but I don’t think they all will. If they do, we can move down or draft Mike McGlinchey, Trey Adams or Quenton Nelson and suddenly our line is better than average with a chance to be very good. Many good arms will be available in the 38 range.
If Cinci and Indy hadn’t blown leads today, they’d be picking fourth. Wow.
If they finish 6-10, which seems very possible, they should pick no worse than 10th.
They have a mock draft connected to this that has us taking Orlando Brown sixth overall. I would hate that pick so much.
The rest of the schedule has some pretty bad teams. They’re going to have to get creative not to go at least 2-1 during that @MIA-NYJ-@IND stretch.
I just text messaged my brother this: We do play some mediocre and bad teams coming up, but unfortunately, I am becoming concerned that we are a bad team, too. If we can rally from this and stop shooting ourselves in the foot, I will be elated.
I think 4-3 is doable. 3-4 is more likely.
This is looking like a good year to move up on the season ticket list!
I think we will go 2-2 over the next 4 games. I don’t think we lose to Cinci and can beat one of the next three teams, maybe two of them. I can see 6-10 for the year.
There are 3 losses and 4 tossups in that stretch. So 2-5 and 5-11 overall is probably the baseline expectation.
Ouch. This hurts to see.
“It’s not bad preparation. Preparation is the last issue we have. We practice so hard. We study hard. We watch extra film. We’re doing everything we possibly can.”
Pretty stark contrast to the anonymous rip jobs Ben McAdoo is getting in New York. Kind of takes the credibility out of the Vance Joseph is in too deep takes from the Twitterati.
I just don’t think that it’s one thing that’s wrong, I think it’s a lot of things that are wrong.
Our biggest problems are as follows:
Bad Oline play
Bad QB play
Can’t cover TE’s
Can’t Cover HB’s
Poor special teams
Can all of these things to be fixed in one year? Maybe. Stranger shit has happened, but John Elway has a big-time “Cup Check”coming up, and I’m curious to see how he responds.