2017 Broncos Depth Chart Discussion

With the first preseason game against the Bears only three days away, a depth chart should emerge at any time from now until then. Use this thread to express any thoughts you might have about what to expect before the fact. Once the depth chart is released, it will be posted in the body of this thread.

UPDATE – 9:40 AM MT: Per Andrew Mason, the depth chart has been released:

  • Nick

    The leading question as I see it is whether or not Siemian and Lynch will be listed as co #1s.

    • Jeremy

      I’m guessing yes based on what the team is saying. I’m more interested in what will revealed about the oline

      • Nick

        Seems like it would be a surprise if it was anything other than Bolles/Garcia/Paradis/Leary/Watson. Barbre throws some intrigue in but has he learned the playbook enough yet? Might also be interesting to see where they place Schofield.

        • Jeremy

          So has Garcia still been taking most of the first team reps?

          • Royalwithcheese

            Sounds like it. But I think he might have a short hook if he struggles.

        • G Mik

          You nailed this down to the ? I think Schofield is more valued than they’re showing but we’ll see.

    • My guess is they probably will be and will split the workload in playing against opponent’s first-teamers in the preseason — as in, one week it will be Siemian, the second week it will be Lynch, and if neither one has distinguished himself, we might actually see them split series in the third week.

  • Kndh19

    I can’t believe crick is still starting. How have they not found a replacement for him yet?

    • Nick

      Is that even known yet?

      Also, DL starters are among the most ambiguous as it’s a position that gets a lot of rotation.

      • Kndh19

        I asked Mase Saturday if he was the starting right end and he said yes. As far as I can tell, he has started every practice.

  • Nick
  • Nick

    Booker is still listed at #2 despite being injured.
    Fowler and Latimer both second string–is Fowler the one ahead?
    Is Carlos Henderson really the #7 WR, or does the order matter in the third column?
    Billy Turner ahead of Michael Schofield at guard.
    Billy Winn 2nd string…at nose tackle? Guess the Tyrique Jarrett hype needs to be frozen.
    DeMarcus Walker listed as an edge rusher, and ahead of Edebali.
    Langley ahead of Doss at CB.

    • Nick

      Mase did explicitly list at the bottom that Henderson was fourth string. Disappointing.

    • Royalwithcheese

      This basically means that Schofield is done and Derby could actually be cut (if they plan on playing Butt this year).

      I am *very* surprised that Langley is ahead of Doss. All reports out of camp seemed to indicate Doss was balling out.

      If Winn ends up as the backup NT, this team is in trouble. And I have serious concerns about the pass rush this year.

      • RSH

        Derby will not be cut. He is clearly the best pass catching tight end in that position group.

        https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/894594687624818688

        • Royalwithcheese

          Sure. That just means they’re likely to carry four TEs this year.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I don’t necessarily see Doss and Langley as apples to apples. Doss is more of a slot CB, while Langley’s length makes him an outside CB.

        • Royalwithcheese

          I’d agree with that. And if that’s how they view it, it makes sense.

        • RSH

          Great point, and I think that both Langley and Doss will make the final roster.

          • G Mik

            But why would you put Langley ahead of Doss? Is it likely he is out playing Doss? Maybe Doss is too boom or bust for the coaching staff. Entirely possible I guess.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Looking at the roster I see they have Doss at 5’11” and 187, while Langley is listed at 6’0″ and 199. I thought the difference was a little more significant than that, so I checked their draft profiles, and it appears Doss is actually 5’10”. The most significant difference, however, might be arm length, as Langley’s measure 32″ compared to Doss’s 29 3/4″.

          • G Mik

            Regardless that was far and away the most shocking slot of the depth chart. Wtf has Langley done? That said, bfd overall. Nothing carries much relevance outside of QB and LT.

  • SteveS

    Guess I’m a little surprised that Heuerman is listed ahead of Drby. Also, much concerned about the 2nd team DL.

  • Always keep in mind: Just because a player is listed on a depth chart with a certain team at this time, doesn’t mean it will stay that way. Go back to all the times we saw somebody who was listed with the first team at one point, only to wind up off the team when final cuts were made.

  • The – OR – for QBs is ridiculous. If you have two QBs you don’t really have one… everyone knows that.

    McGovern now a center, interesting. Guess they saw the contract Jags gave Linder and decided to get working on a contingency plan for Paradis departure.

    • McGovern has been working as a center for some time now. It’s the reason why they waived James Ferentz a few months ago.

      • Ah, thanks. Must have missed the Ferentz transaction.

    • PiperAR

      Texas Longhorns. Major Applewhite. Chris Simms. They had two QBs but really had one. They just picked the wrong one.

  • I pulled up the thread about the 2016 Broncos initial depth chart.

    https://in-thinair.com/2016/08/08/open-thread-broncos-initial-depth-chart/

    Some points to make to keep in mind that the first depth chart doesn’t equal the final roster. Examples:

    * The obvious one: Mark Sanchez and Trevor Siemian were considered in a dead heat for the starting job. Sanchez was ultimately cut.

    * Ronnie Hillman was listed second alongside Devontae Booker among RBs. In the end, Kapri Bibbs, who appeared to be on the bubble at the time, made the final roster while Hillman was waived.

    * Garrett Graham looked like he would be the third tight end to make it given his familiarity with Gary Kubiak, but was cut instead. (Of course, John Phillips didn’t last, with the Broncos looking at other players before trading for AJ Derby.)

    * Britton Colquitt was listed ahead of Riley Dixon in the punter competition. We all know how that turned out.

    There is, of course, Vance Walker listed as a starting defensive end, but he was lost for the season to an ACL injury. And Shiloh Keo might have made the final roster and stuck around longer, had it not been for his two-game suspension to open the season.

  • The above post doesn’t list the special teams positions — of course, three are obvious: Brandon McManus, Riley Dixon and Casey Kreiter.

    As for punt and kick returner, it’s Isaiah McKenzie as the top punt returner with Kalif Raymond listed second, and Cody Latimer as the top kick returner with Carlos Henderson listed second.

    http://www.denverbroncos.com/assets/images/imported/DEN/photos/centerpiece/homepage/2017/170807_st_depth.jpg

  • RSH
  • Jeremy

    I’m surprised at the no love for Schofield.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Me too.

  • RSH
    • Nick

      If whoever wins the starting job struggles, August will feel like a paradise.

      • Jeremy

        Which seems pretty likely at this point

  • GrizzlyB

    “When I see a clear separation, I’ll call it off. As long as Paxton Lynch is winning. If he isn’t, I’ll declare him the starter of the 2nd preseason game almost two weeks in advance, and we can piggyback off that to just say we’re going to stick with him in week 3, and then we can go, ‘Oh, shoot, well, he’s already with the starters in the most important preseason game, so we’re just going to let him start week 1.'”
    – Vance Joseph, probably

    Naturally, for my part, I’ve expected that Paxton Lynch will handily lose this “competition” and start the season anyway, and by all observations that is exactly what’s happening, but it’s still amusing how they’re going about it.

    • G Mik

      I wouldn’t say that yet. It wasn’t very long ago that TS looked like a sack of waffles as well. I have faith in the organization that they’ll choose the best player not the highest draft choice. We’ll see soon enough.

    • TGFKADT

      Might not be the worst year to totally blow, especially if Lynch turns out to be a total bust. There are three serious ballers and one full on sniper in the quarterback draft pool for next year.

      Simple timing can be a big f****** deal in the whole endless quarterback quest.

      I’m not hoping Lynch blows By any means, but I think he probably does. Siemian is not going to get a fair shake with Lynch in the building.

  • PiperAR

    Cool story Bro. At this time of year, the depth chart is only good for reading on the can, and to wipe your bum when finished.

  • gobroncos

    I don’t know that our run defense has improved much. That was a major weakness last year. Crick is still starting and we’ve replaced Sly with an older Peko. Is that really an improvement? Shane Ray replaces Demarcus Ware who probably played less than half the downs but weighed much more than Ray and was superior in every facet when he did play. Slight downgrade there overall.

    • G Mik

      All fair points and I appreciate the realistic vs rosy viewpoint.

      I’m hoping/believing that Peko will be an upgrade in the middle and I think that’s justified to say he will be. Not sure how many games he missed but Ware was out the majority of last year with injuries so I doubt he even played 1/4 the snaps.

      With increased depth (Kerr, Gotsis, Walker) hopefully Crick doesn’t have to play as many snaps and can be more effective.

      Of course this is all glass half full but I think it’s very reasonable we improve here. Considerably improve.

      • gobroncos

        Normally I’m an optimist. But I look at this roster, and I don’t see marked improvement from last year. I think the O-line will be a little bit better (provided they stay healthy). Bolles appears to be exceeding expectations, despite many misgivings of people on this site. The Defense is almost the same as last year. The offense is almost the same. We didn’t add any real significant superstars to fill dire needs (not that we had many). Our best chance lays in the hands of the coaches. In Scheming. TS has a year under his belt which means two things. One, he’s got more experience and hopefully will play better and make better decisions. Two, All the other teams have film on him now so they know what he’s capable of and what he’s not. Plus, he has to learn a new system. I’d say it’s a wash as far as his talent is concerned. But again, it comes down to coaching and scheme. I’m hoping our offense can be a little better with McCoy running the offense than Kubiak or Dennison. Our defense has been great, but now that Wade is gone, I have concerns we’ll regress. There’s no guarantee that despite the talent on the team we’ll continue to be dominant. If the scheme doesn’t suit the players, or the coaching doesn’t do a good job of making sure players are where they’re supposed to be then things may not get better. It’s hard to say, but it’s hard to see this team being better than last year. Maybe strength of schedule is in our favor for once, but we’re also in the toughest division in football per the usual.

        • G Mik

          I agree with all of your points outside of SoS. Our schedule will be the problem. Only the Jets are a layup and while we start with 3 of 4 home games they are all tough opponents. I have to believe that McCoy gives us an advantage vs LA Chargers though.