• Nick

    Figured that depth chart discussion could use its own thread.

    https://in-thinair.com/2017/08/07/2017-broncos-depth-chart-discussion/

  • Nick

    Peter King doesn’t even allow the Priest Holmes HOF hype train to get stoked.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/07/aaron-rodgers-packers-jay-cutler-dolphins-nfl-training-camp-peter-king

    Enough, please, of this narrative: Now that Terrell Davis parlayed three super-nova seasons into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, let’s get a campaign going for Priest Holmes.

    Apples, pomegranates.

    In the regular season, the three great seasons of the two men are wholly comparable, and Holmes has an edge even: 6,566 yards from scrimmage from Holmes in 2001-’03, as opposed to 6,010 for Davis in 1996-’98.

    But Davis never would have made the Hall of Fame without his playoff résumé in those three seasons, particularly his seven 100-yard playoff games in seven postseason games in 1997 and 1998, an unprecedented run of rushing success that almost certainly will never be repeated. Davis is the best playoff running back of all times, averaging 142.5 yards per game. Comparing Davis and Holmes as playoff players:

    RB Playoff Years G 100-Yard Performances Att. Yards Avg. Rush TDs
    Davis 1996-98 8 7 204 1,140 5.6 12
    Holmes 2000-03 5 1 42 221 5.3 2

  • Jeremy

    I know most here are very sympathetic to Kaepernick, and were not big fans Tebow but does anyone feel there are parallels between the two and has it changed their opinion of Tebow?

    Essentially both guys were out of the league sooner than would have normally been the case because they were outspoken about their beliefs and their presence created a large distraction that people decided wasn’t worth their marginal benefit.

    I know most will feel that Kaepernick is a significantly better player than Tebow, and I think that is true. However, remember Kaepernick ranked 30/34 in DVOA last year (and 34/37 in 2015), and the trend across the league at quarterback has been to go with young unproven high potential players at QB rather than players on the downswing. Also, while I don’t think Tebow was ever going to be a successful quarterback, I do think he had value as a gimmick type player.

    I will agree, Kaepernick is more deserving of a chance and has received far harsher treatment then Tebow did, but do others here see the parallels?

    • Royalwithcheese

      Tebow got chance after chance until he played himself out of the league. He was most definitely not out of the league sooner than he might have been had he not come with all the distractions.

      • Jeremy

        This article in particular, which uses quotes and analysis from 2013 up until the present, made me realize that even if it weren’t for the protests, Kaepernick may have been out of the league already. Before his protests, teams were already questioning his commitment to football. He showed he more than likely wasn’t good enough to be the guy, and for a variety of reasons, I don’t think he was the best suited to be a veteran backup (he doesn’t do well in the pocket in a traditional offense, and he doesn’t seem well suited to mentor young guys). Again, the league is all about moving towards young unproven high upside players rather than vets on the decline. Cutler, who is a few years older but also played much better recently also received very little interest until recently.

        It’s hard to know, but I’m guessing if it weren’t for the protests, Kaepernick maybe would have gotten a RGIII type deal from a desperate team, but it’s also possible he signs with a team like the Seahawks in a backup role, or it’s possible that he remains unsigned and is waiting for a team to lose their QB.

        Now, if Kaepernick has a Mark Sanchez type attitude, where he shows he’s extremely dedicated to football and will do anything to help the team, he probably signs somewhere to be a backup/veteran mentor. But even without the protests, that’s not the type of player Kaepernick is.

        http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19446123/how-nfl-coaches-general-managers-defined-colin-kaepernick-2017-nfl

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      When I watched Tebow’s stint with the Eagles, I thought he made A LOT of improvement, and could at the very least been a back up of for team. I do see the parallels. People don’t want the distraction. The NFL is a business, not a platform to push your personal agenda. I think Kaepernick, and Tebow both have that working against them. If you are winning games, it’s a different story. As a back up, it’s not worth the BS that comes with it.

      • SteveS

        I think the biggest parallel is that with both of those guys, you have to build the offense around them to make use of their unique “talents/skill sets” and most (read: all) teams are not willing to do that and those guys are mediocre at best as conventional backups.

        • Jeremy

          That’s a good point.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Which is too bad really. I know I am probably in the minority here, but I find that type of offense might be more complementary to our style of defense. Let’s just sign Kaep And Tebow?

          • Jeremy

            Would they balance each other out, neither side would be too happy or too upset?

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            It’s genius really. Ratings would be YUUUUGGGEE.

    • Andrew

      I think a much better comparison for what’s happening to Kaep is former NBA player Mahmoud Abdul-Raul (formerly Chris Jackson) after he refused to stand for the anthem due to his Religion. His career was basically ruined as well.

      • SteveS

        I think it was actually Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf wasn’t it? Also, wasn’t he diagnosed with Tourette’s Syndrome, or am I thinking of someone else? You’re right in that he did do a star spangled banner protest, but I’m thinking there might have been something else about him as well. He ended up playing for quite a few years in Europe and even Saudi Arabia.

        • Andrew

          Yeah I butchered the name.

    • TGFKADT

      They both, at one point or another, became players who suck at NFL football.

      I mean, f*** half of America for being knuckle-dragging caveman, but Kaep especially was universally regarded as a smug, hard to get along with a****** who didn’t have or apparently want friends in the building.

      if you want to roll full on dick, you better be really good at what you do.

      • Yahmule

        Kaepernick’s teammates didn’t view him in the negative way you’re describing. Relentless character assassination by certain quarters of the media have given this false impression.

        SANTA CLARA, Calif. — In a season filled with controversy surrounding San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick’s protest of racial inequality in the United States, Kaepernick apparently inspired many of his teammates.

        When the 49ers announced their team awards Friday afternoon, Kaepernick was the recipient of the Len Eshmont Award, given to the 49er who “best exemplifies the inspirational and courageous play of Len Eshmont, an original member of the 1946 49ers team.” The award, which was established after Eshmont died in 1957, is considered the most prestigious honor the players vote on.

        After sitting down for the national anthem before a preseason game, Kaepernick has knelt during the anthem for the entire season. He has been joined most of the time by safety Eric Reid and outside linebacker Eli Harold. Kaepernick took over the starting quarterback job in Week 6 against Buffalo and has remained in that position since.

        For his part, Kaepernick said recently that having the support of teammates such as Harold and Reid has been helpful.

        “It’s very impactful, and I think they are people who have very strong character,” Kaepernick said. “And to have the ability to really recognize what’s going on, how it not only affects them, but it affects their families and affects other people that look like them, is something that’s very powerful — and I’m very happy to have teammates like that, that have that type of character, that have those type of ethics and humanity.”

        After Kaepernick’s protest first became public knowledge in the preseason, the 49ers had a players-only meeting in which Kaepernick welcomed his teammates to ask questions about his reasons for the protest.

        Center Daniel Kilgore said at the time that he initially didn’t understand why Kaepernick chose to voice his opinion during the anthem, but he came out of that meeting with a different perspective.

        “After Kap stated his case today, and seeing where he is coming from, I do stand with Kap when he says ‘enough is enough’ against crime and the violence and discrimination and racism,” Kilgore said in August. “I believe that enough is enough. But I could see why people would think it’s bad with the national anthem and the military.”

        Kaepernick’s protest soon became a national story that attracted both opposition and support. Other NFL players, and athletes in other sports, began to take a knee as a way of backing Kaepernick’s message.

        As part of his protest, Kaepernick also pledged to donate $1 million to endeavors he believes will help communities in need, and he hosted a Know Your Rights camp for young people in the Bay Area during the team’s bye week. He appeared on the cover of Time magazine in September.

        All season, Niners players and coaches have insisted that Kaepernick’s protest has not detracted from the team’s efforts. Some even said it has brought the team closer together.

        “Colin has handled that situation better than anyone could have imagined,” receiver Torrey Smith said in October. “It hasn’t been a distraction in our locker room, and it probably helped him open up to a lot of our team and our teammates better. He’s been very open in communication about that as well as football.”

        Coach Chip Kelly said Thursday that Kaepernick will start the season finale Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks. From there, Kaepernick will enter an uncertain offseason in which he has the ability to opt out of his contract.

        The past two winners of the Eshmont Award — running back Frank Gore and receiver Anquan Boldin — left the franchise after claiming the honor.

        • TGFKADT

          Before the current politics and controversy, in Kaepernick’s Hay Day, there were reports that Kaepernick was not only unpopular in the locker room but completely isolated , also. it’s stuck out to me, because it reminded me of Ian Gold.

          I think he GAINED respect from players for his political courage, but even before that he had a reputation as being somewhat of a dick and a poor locker room presence. That’s my memory, at least.

          • GrizzlyB

            This is exactly what I remember hearing when he first started to struggle in 2013/14 — that he was aloof, never engaged with his teammates, and he sent out a negative vibe with stuff like kissing his bicep and that Instagram-or-whatever post about somewhere in Texas (I think) flooding and being like, “I told u #7stormscomin” or something wildly inappropriate like that.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I had the same thought, but the more time I spent thinking about it the less similar they seemed to me. Tebow got legitimate chances with four different franchises before it became painfully obvious he just wasn’t an NFL level talent. Kaepernick should probably be on a roster, at least as a backup, unless he’s asking for too much money.

  • CFD1983

    Closed Practice today … indoors due to weather.

  • Andrew

    https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/894531267701739520
    Looks like Brock is winning the Cleveland QB competition so far.

    • DCJ1

      Strike me as a dubious honor at best — sort of like winning the award for best cook at McDonald’s…

      • Alaskan

        But still, good for Brent.
        He gave us what we needed while he was in Denver.

        • Carsonic

          MSE.
          (Hmm, I guess “My sentiments exactly” isn’t really acronym-worthy yet.)

  • RSH

    Yahmule, Steve, and Broncos777, if you are willing and have the bandwith, I would love to read an article about your experiences of seeing Terrell Davis inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

    • Steven_Searls

      Man I am so tired after my trip. I drove there Friday, through three thunderstorms of Biblical proportions, including the 30 minute trip from my hotel to meet Yahmule and his lovely wife for dinner. Had to park three blocks away from the restaurant because they shut sown the street it was on because of the Gold Jacket ceremony. Great dinner though, especially the company.

      Next day I spent another hour getting to the only Starbucks in Canton because the shut down the street it was on for a parade. Hell, I didn’t even know they were doing a parade! I went to the hall, and it was so crowded you could not believe it and this was around noon. I swear they must have hired a bunch of temps, because half of them didn’t know where anything was. Coolest thing in the hall for me was seeing TD’s locker. Worst thing? They had a theater showing a Road to the Super Bowl and it was Atlanta and the Patriots. There were people who, once they saw what the program was about got up out of their seats and left swearing, lol. I stayed because I was tired and it was air conditioned. They rest of the hall was warm and humid simply from the crush of so many people there.

      To give you and idea, I waited an hour in line going through the room where all the busts were kept because the line was so long. The worst part was that all the Broncos inducted were after 2004 and after, and those were the only ones I wanted to see. Did get a chance to talk to a lot of people in the line though. I’d say Broncos had by far the largest turnout. Never saw so many TD jerseys in my life. Got a lot of nice compliments on my 1998 Super Bowl XXXII Championship hat, which was in great condition since this was practically the first time I wore it since I bought it in 1998.

      After the Hall I had time to kill before the party that was part of my package, so I want to the Fan Celebration area, where there were food stalls, beer and wine stalls, a large stage with a DJ and various “hosts” shooting out “gifts” to people in the crowd, played every hip hop song I didn’t know, and did their best to drown out my conversations with more Broncos fans, including a lady who makes 12″ x 5″ sized stained glass replicas of the of Broncos logo as a hobby. Told her I’d buy one on the down low from her, since if the NFL found out they’d sue her ass lol.

      Then I went to the fan party that was part of my “experience” package (Price $275), which opened up into a air conditioned giant tent at about 3:40 pm. They had basic tailgate food (brauts, hamburgers, BBQ ribs, Grilled Chicken, Veggies fruit and tater tots) and there was an open bar. I drank Stella beer on an empty stomach until I was pretty damn drunk. Sat next to two guys from Massachusetts who oddly enough were Broncos fans – younger guys, late twenties or early thirties, who just pounded back the 20 oz size blue Bud Lite cans until they had about twenty or so lined up at our table. There was another DJ (of course), but this time the music was all late 70’s and early 80’s – geared to an older demographic obviously.

      Talked my head off to every person I met, including a couple who were, respectively a Jets fan and a Lions fan and decided to come because they had never been to an enshrinement ceremony before. Everyone was pretty nice, loud, happy, eating, drinking and laughing over the sound of the music. The DJ finally got a group of young women, who were hired for the event to dance. This was done to entice people to go to the dance floor. At first the only fan dancing with them was some guy my age or maybe a tad younger (mid 50’s to early 60’s) and I swear it looked a little pervy. He just did the same moves over and over staring at the girls’ chest level! People were sending out videos from their phones to FB Live. He’s probably a meme by now. Then some other folks, mostly middle aged women went up and busted off their best 80’s style moves. By this time everyone was pretty wasted.

      I left the party around 5:30 when they started doing the Macarena to go to the Stadium. That took forever because unless you paid for a $1000 and up “experience,” you had to go the long way around to get in the Stadium. I know because I tried several different ways that were shorter (and which the hospitality tent people told me were fine for me to use), and each time I was told to get my ass out of there. Made it to my seat about 6:15 pm, arthritic hip and knees and back flaring up like a hornet;s nest. Skies were still sunny then, though we could see clouds rolling in from the west.

      They started with the ceremony before the TV stuff came on, introducing every Gold Jacket Hall of Famer as they entered the stadium to sit on the stage (and I mean every damn one, including a bunch of guys that even I hadn’t heard of). Saw Big John go in and then Marino, and the two of them were seated together. Wish I could have been up there to hear that conversation. The National Anthem was played about ten minutes or so before 7:00. I’d say the breakdown in the stands was roughly 35% Broncos fans give or take, maybe 20% Dolphins fans, 15% Chargers fans, 15% Rams fans, and maybe 10% Cowboys fans but probably less. Saw very few Saints fans or Falcons fans and no Sea Hawks fans. I’m sure they were there, but I never saw any.

      Speeches started around 7:30ish maybe (little confused on the time). Easley has a very long speech. They cut off his teleprompter at some point to get him to stop but he still talked for another few minutes anyway.. He was very serious and even did a little Colin Kaepernick bit about Black Lives Matter (as well as saying All Lives Matter to make the stony-faced people in the crowd applaud, too). I did like it when Easlye mentioned Atwater as HOF worthy in his speech.

      Jason Taylor was next, and he thanked everyone and his dog in his speech but I did love the line he gave about stealing Dan Snyder’s money from the Redskins. But he was also very emotional when talking about his lack of a father (sounded very angry) and when he talked about his mom, saying his mother deserved all the credit for raising him and his sisters and younger brother herself. He was the first guy to shed a tear.

      Morton Andersen’s speech was surprisingly good. Very funny and not too long. It had its serious points but was a nice light touch compared to the first two.

      Then finally up came TD. By this time all the Miami fans had left, so the crowd was smaller. Watching him take the cloth off his bust was great. Believe it or not that’s when the rain came – only for his speech. TD was very serious (other than then he talked about his own kids). I swear the whole stadium went dead silent when he described almost being killed by another kid pointing a shotgun in his face when he was 14. I can;t imagine what that kind of life must have been like.

      I really appreciated the fact he made a plea to get Bowlen in the Hall in 2018. I’m pretty sure he was pissed Jerry Jones made it in before Pat. His talk about trying to earn his father’s respect and not knowing if he ever earned it was heart rending stuff. You really feel the impact of the emotion of all the inductees when you are there in the stadium far more than when watching it on television. I had binoculars, so I watched TD through them most of the time he was on the stage, rather than the various screens scattered around the stadium, which were showing the TV feed I presume, and would cut away to people the inductees singled out for recognition.

      When he finished up, I applauded and got up to leave. Had no interest in hearing Jone’s speech. As previously mentioned, I ran into Mike Shanahan just before I left the stadium area, my one and only experience with a celebrity and a former Bronco. That was a nice finish to the night for me – getting to shake his hand while both of us gave each other shit eating grins about how fantastic it was that TD made it into the Hall. Took me another hour before I got back to my hotel. Turned on the TV and was surprised to see Kurt Warner was still giving his speech. I do regret missing LT’s speech a little, but not Jerrah’s. I could tell Warner was a very polished speaker as I watched him on TV. He sounded like he’d given his speech (or one like it) before, quite a contrast to the rest of the guys. When he finished I turned off the TV and read the Nate Jackson Book that Yahmule gave me. “Slow Getting Up: A Story of NFL Survival from the Bottom of the Pile” is the title. I recommend it even if you are not a Broncos’ fan. Man can write.

      Got to bed around 1 am Sunday and maybe slept for four hours. Drove home in good weather thank God, about a 5 and a half hour trip. Still have my ticket as a souvenir and the “doo rag” I got at the fan party (finally opened up the package it came in this morning and found out what it was) .

      So that was my experience. Very happy I went. A once in a lifetime event for me. So happy for TD. He very much deserved to be in there before now. Maybe a few more Broncos will get considered. It’s a disgrace that only six Broncos are now in the HOF. Hell, the Sea Chickens almost have that many and none of their guys who made it won a damn ring.

    • Yahmule

      I will post something at length later today. :~)

  • RSH
  • RSH

    ICYMI, here is Terrell Davis’s Hall of Fame Speech.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME5c2zNmSOs

  • RIP Don Baylor, first manager of the Colorado Rockies.

    https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/894548267618402304

    • Yahmule

      One of the fiercest competitors ever seen in any sport and a real old school tough guy. Don was hit by 267 pitches in a 19 year career, 4th on the all time list. I can still see him up at the plate, with those cannonball shoulders. He didn’t dodge inside pitches. He hung in until the last possible second and then just kind of twisted toward the catcher a little bit and took it off his upper arm or back. But no matter where he got hit, even right on the elbow, Don never gave the pitcher the satisfaction of seeing him rub the bruise, or even grimace in most cases. The game has changed regarding breaking up double plays, but there was nobody in the league as feared as Don when it came to breaking up two. He sent more than a few middle infielders flying ass over tea kettle into left field.

      During his MVP season for the Angels in 1979, my friend and I sent him a bunch of baseball cards and a fan letter. Being dumb and 14, we neglected to include a return envelope. Baylor sent everything back in Angels stationary and included a couple signed 8X10’s. It made a big impression on us.

      Don’s Rockies teams were pretty good, considering he took an expansion team to the playoffs in just their third season of existence. He also had to contend with being the first guy to manage a team in such a hitting rich environment. Some pitchers were completely defeated by Coors mentally before they ever took the mound there. Baylor’s calm and stoic presence was the thing those shellshocked young pitchers needed.

      • masonjar

        Appreciate the personal insight!

      • BlackKnigh

        Thanks, Yahmule. I remembered Don – but not as well as you do. I loved his competitiveness.

      • Kush-Lash

        Super sad. Without sounding older than I should, I really do have fond memories of him!

      • VonSwenson

        You’re getting to be my favourite sportswriter, ‘mule!

        • Yahmule

          Thanks!

  • RSH
    • Nick

      The most memorable thing I can think from that group of games (especially since I’ve blacked out the 2008 game from my mind) was LaMarr Houston tearing his ACL doing the exact same celebration Stephen Tulloch did a few weeks earlier…and it was after he sacked Garoppolo late in the 4th quarter when the outcome was decided.

  • RSH
    • Royalwithcheese

      That’s the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in my life, and I watched JaMarcus Russell play.

    • ohiobronco

      This guy is a model NFL customer umm fan.

    • Yahmule

      A John Beck jersey. That’s some good psychosis. Collectors enjoy their hobbies. Completists are owned by their hobbies.

  • Royalwithcheese

    Broncos ranked last in the league in 25-and-under talent by ESPN (insider): http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/20218920/nfl-ranking-all-32-teams-25-talent-2017-season

    • Nick

      Last year’s under-25 rankings had the Jaguars at No. 1 and the Patriots at 32.

      • Jeremy

        So we are destined for a super bowl win this year.

      • Royalwithcheese

        Yeah, but the Jags still have a lot of young talent. The Broncos have very, very little. Justin Simmons and Shane Ray, and I would say that’s about it at this point. Obviously hoping Gotsis makes a big jump, the Hendersons can contribute and that McKenzie is a dynamic player. And then there’s Paxton…

        • Jeremy

          The only guys on the offense who are over 27 are Leary (28), Stephenson (28), Steven Ridley (28), Watson (28), DT (29), Green (29), Sanders (30), Charles (30), Green (29), and Barbre (33), so even if they technically aren’t under 25, the offense is still very young. How talented the offense is, is up for debate.

          This is another national ranking that makes me concerned for the future though

          • Jeremy

            Defensively list of guys 28 and older has a few more big names, but still pretty small. Chris Harris Jr (28), Von (28), Billy Winn (28), Stewart (29), Ward (30), Talib (31), Peko 32.

            Overall I think the team is still pretty young.

    • Yahmule

      The first day of youth league football practice, this scene will be repeated thousands of times across the country. A line coach will have his kids get into three point stances. He’ll swipe the first kid’s ground arm and send him onto his face because he’s leaning so far forward. Then he’ll push the next kid on the crown of his helmet and send him onto his butt because he saw the first kid and overcompensated. The third kid will have a nice balanced stance.

  • RSH
  • Andrew

    https://twitter.com/troyrenck/status/894601606582239232
    Definitely concerning that we don’t know if this guy is any good or if he can stay on the field. I think our best option is (gulp) Schofield if Watson keeps getting hurt.

    • Royalwithcheese

      Elway signs bad RT thinking he’ll magically be good in Denver. Elway signed injury-prone RT thinking he’ll magically stay healthy in Denver. Elway’s mismanagement of the offensive line is appalling.

      • Jeremy

        I think he tries to bargain too hard. It worked out when players took a discount to play for Peyton, but now it’s leading to him to being outbid.

        Not sure if that’s true or not, but it’s a narrative that has been sticking with me.

        • Royalwithcheese

          I think that’s right. He refuses to overpay for the studs, so he has to overpay (IMO) for someone on the second tier and hope he works out.

          • PiperAR

            Duds. He refused to overpay the DUDS. Exactly one stud has walked away from Denver.

          • Royalwithcheese

            He didn’t pay for Schwartz, either. Or that tackle now on the Rams whose name eludes me.

  • RSH
    • Nick

      It’s a good and funny commercial, but I hope Wilfork manages his weight properly in retirement.

  • RSH
    • Nick

      I bet Watt has even better odds on Comeback Player of the Year.

      • That award is probably going to be decided now, regardless of what anybody else does.

    • Jeremy

      Would have been cool if Chris Harris Jr or Talib made the list, although the odds makers are probably right that it’s a long shot.

      • Nick

        It makes no sense that Marcus Peters gets listed but not them.

        • Royalwithcheese

          It’s the interceptions.

        • Nick

          I should probably walk that back a bit: Talib and CHJ may be having bets split between each other, a “problem” that Peters doesn’t have.

      • Yahmule

        They should have had a “Field” option which included every player not listed.

      • Andrew

        Yeah unfortunately CB’s never seem to have a chance. I’m still a little peeved about Jason Taylor getting it over Champ in 2005 season.

    • Royalwithcheese

      I’ll take Von and Donald at those odds. Earl Thomas as well.

    • Yahmule

      I would have to go with someone with odds like Beasley, Houston or Garrett in a bet like this.

      I am going to get down a hundred on Denver @ 25/1 for the Super Bowl this summer.

  • Nick
    • Jeremy

      New hypothetical to discuss. Lynch looks horrible in the preseason and is cut (either in preseason or early in the 2018 off-season). 2017 Siemian looks like 2016 Siemian. 2017 Broncos look a lot like 2016 Broncos. Offensive line play improves some, but not a lot. Same thing with RB play. Broncos take the last wildcard spot and get bounced soundly in the first round of the playoffs. Who (if anyone) do you want to bring in to compete with Siemian in 2018?

      • Nick

        My blind guess for now: sign a mid level veteran to a two year deal, and let him compete with Siemian, Kelly and/or Sloter in 2018. If Siemian still can’t break through, in 2019 let him walk as a UFA, and if Kelly or Sloter don’t surprise, draft a QB high in the mid level veteran’s second year.

        • Jeremy

          So does Mid level mean a guy who washed out elsewhere (Case Kenum, Ryan Mallet, Chad Henne) or a legit starter (Stafford, Brees, Cousins, Bradford, etc.)

          There’s not much “mid-level” QB play in the NFL

          • Nick

            Not sure. I think that unless Kelly or Sloter surprises you need someone to replace Lynch, and they have enough youth at the position as is.

      • Yahmule

        If the Broncos do wind up with pick 20 again, they are likely to find themselves in the middle of the deepest quarterback class in many years. Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Luke Falk, and Mason Rudolph could all receive first round consideration. Josh Rosen could be better than all of them once he gets into a stable environment (getting ready for his third OC in three years), and he might represent major value since he’s seems to be getting Kaepernicked already for expressing some positions in interviews that don’t fit the NFL’s perspective. I would be very interested in Mar’s Linemen’s opinion of Rosen because I think his throwing mechanics are outstanding and NFL ready.

        I like this video because the guy really focuses on the velocity Rosen generates with hip torque. This is essential for a quarterback to generate power in collapsing pockets where he might not be able take his normal stride.

        https://youtu.be/SvxLzsnYbBc

        • TGFKADT

          Ironically, this would be an awesome year to suck. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, we don’t suck near enough to matter. At best, we suck just enough to get another letter jacket model type.

        • GrizzlyB

          Yeah, I haven’t watched any of these guys in-depth, but from what I’ve seen from them in games, I like Rosen the best. Of course, it happens so often that QB classes get turned on their heads over the course of a season — I think Kaaya was supposed to be the top QB in this past class, iirc

          • Yahmule

            I’m going to get a look @ Josh Allen and rangy Duck sophomore Justin Herbert in Wyoming next month.

          • gobroncos

            If we did get a QB in next years draft, I’d partial to Josh Allen being from Wyoming and all. It’d be an extra reason to cheer him on. I’ve got some Wyoming alum friends that all live out here in Oregon, so we’re going to get together and watch that game too!

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          This is great. Gives a modicum of insight into how Mars may be thinking.

      • ohiobronco

        I think if they both crashed and burned then a high draft pick would be most likely next step. A legit starter FA would also be in play but I think the financial outlay would accelerate the decline of the defense.

        Counter question, assuming Siemian does start, what does he have to do to hold off this scenario? Is 4000 yards and 25 TD enough?

        • Jeremy

          I’d be less interested in volume stats and more interested in how he stacks up in metrics like QBR, passer rating, DVOA, comp%, and ANY/A. Last year I believe he ranked between 18 and 23 in all those metrics. If he could generally move into the top 16 in those stats, I’d be pretty happy and wouldn’t beat the drum to bring in a quality vet or take a first round pick on a QB. If he could move into the top 10, I’d start to consider him the long term answer at QB for us. Other thing I’d look for us is the eye test/intangibles and how well the team performs with him.

    • Nick
      • ohiobronco

        I’d like to see them each get a full half. Ideally they also get a full second half in the other game unless it gets really sloppy late.

        • Jeremy

          I’m guessing Siemian will play with the 1s through about a quarter in the first game, then Lynch will play with the 2s for the 2nd and 3rd quarter. Game 2 Lynch plays with the 1s through about a quarter, and then they possibly put in Siemian with the 1s for the 2nd quarter.

      • WhirlingDervish

        Hmm…may end up getting tix for this game… could be interesting to watch.. or nightmare inducing..

      • I am not surprised that this is happening. Each QB will get a chance to go against opposing first teamers and give a clearer picture as to who really deserves to start.

    • RSH

      That was quite evident to me and any spectator paying attention on Saturday.

  • A part of me wishes he had finished his career with the Broncos, but I understand that he wanted a chance to start elsewhere. Still, it’s great that the Broncos still consider him part of the family.

    https://twitter.com/Jeff_Legwold/status/894617126773772288

    • VonSwenson

      It’s nice for him that he got to wear that hallowed number.

  • Nick

    Interesting answer from Nicki Jhabvala on how she feels the reaction would be if the Broncos signed Kaepernick.

    I think there would be some who support it, but many more who wouldn’t and the latter group would be much more vocal about their opinion. When Brandon Marshall joined Kaepernick in kneeling during the national anthem last season the backlash was disturbing, and almost instant. He lost two endorsement deals, received death threats and was sent derogatory and hate-filled messages online. There was even a fan who pulled up to the Broncos’ training facility and burned an orange shirt with Marshall’s name on it. There are many folks out here who saw the protests as disrespectful to service members, and remember the Broncos are headquartered near Ft. Carson Army Base, the Air Force Academy and Peterson Air Force Base. Sadly, I think Marshall still receives negative comments, despite ending his protests and despite all the work he’s done in the community and prompting the Denver Police Department to change its use-of-force policy. When the Broncos were chasing Kaepernick in 2016—before his protests—feelings were mixed. I’d say half the emails in my inbox were in favor of it—they believed Kaepernick would be great with Gary Kubiak and perfect in Denver. The other half came up thought he wouldn’t be a good fit, be it because of the system, his playing style, money, whatever. There are lots of opinions in Broncos Country.

    She would know better than I would, but I haven’t noticed much backlash against Marshall in recent months. I should probably check Twitter this season if he makes a big play or gets hurt to see if people are still holding a grudge against him.

    Two other factors that I would add to what she said:
    –Kaepernick and Marshall were teammates at Nevada (along with Virgil Green), so he’d get support in the locker room from at least those two.
    –Throwing Kaepernick into the QB battle with Siemian and Lynch would generate a controversy of its own.

    Also, she answered some other general NFL questions with Richard Deitsch at this link:

    https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/08/06/nfl-reporters-discuss-leagues-future-player-cte-concerns-and-more

    • Nick

      And on that note, Marshall talked with Vic Lombardi today, including on Kaepernick.

      https://soundcloud.com/altitudesports950/brandon-marshall-joins-the-vic-lombardi-show-1

    • Holzy

      To me the most frustrating part of this whole kneeling debacle is the assumed disrespect towards the military. What the fuck is the point of our military if not to preserve our right to protest against the wrongs we perceive?

    • GrizzlyB

      Not strictly related, but apparently there’s some guy out there who pens angry letters to both the Denver Post and to any player who wears their hat backwards. Probably sends a lot of other handwritten letters about a lot of other things, too, but I just remember Evan Mathis sharing it on Twitter shortly after he signed here.

    • gobroncos

      To be fair, the shirt she speaks of was probably a Brandon Marshal the Receiver shirt and he was just getting rid of it, probably as a sacrifice to the Football gods.

  • Nick

    I want to know who owns this jersey now.

    https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/894629409197441024

    • ElwayIsGod7

      I still want to punch him in his fucking face. Eat shit forever McDouche.

    • VonSwenson

      Oh yes, that did bring forth a sardonic laugh.

  • RSH

    The Jets’ passing offense is going to be terrible.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/894632480166350850

    • Nick

      The Jets‘ passing offense is are going to be terrible.

      • RSH

        Touché.

      • gobroncos

        It’s no secret they’re intentionally tanking this season to get a high pick in order to get a QB. I just hope they miraculously win just enough games that it puts them out of reach of the top tier QB’s. It’d be nice if two of those wins came against the Pats.

        • Nick

          They play the Pats Week 17. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Pats are already locked into a playoff seed by then and Belichick sits all his starters just to prevent the Jets from getting the #1 overall pick.

    • Yahmule

      I posted a few weeks ago that if they lost Enunwa, this could be an offense that matches the ’91 Colts or ’92 Seahawks in futility.

  • diningerj
  • JMac

    Is anyone else annoyed at Legwold’s half-tweets that send you through to ESPN for a tweet-length update?

    • Nick

      Everyone at ESPN does it, it’s their version of TwitLonger when their tweets go over 140 characters.

      • JMac

        Feels like he’s working intentionally hard to make it about 145 characters – meaning half the tweet is taken up pushing to ESPN.

    • gnasses

      Yes.

  • Yahmule

    Question: If you’re posting an article does clicking the Insert Read More Tag enable you to post a small portion of the article on the front page, while adding the Continue Reading link?

    • Nick

      Yes.

  • RSH

    The Chargers will wear powder jerseys against the Broncos in Week 7. https://twitter.com/Chargers/status/893210990904393728

  • ohiobronco

    Broncos social media team falling down on the job. Where is our checkdown hype video?

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/brock-osweiler-cleveland-browns-hype-video-acdc-preseason-training-camp-depth-chart-nfl