• bradley
  • The Color Orange

    Allbright still thinks that the Broncos are planning on Yahmule’s dream scenario. Draft Quenton Nelson, use this year to find out what they have in Keenum, and address the QB problem next year if Keenum isn’t the answer. He was insistent all along last year that the Broncos were taking Bolles, so this can’t be discounted. On the other hand, the Broncos have invested a ton of time with the QB prospects this year, and do you really arrange a sit down between Rosen and Ellis if you’re not seriously considering drafting a QB?
    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/983897025153466368
    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/983892688004149248

    • ohiobronco

      “If he works out, they keep him, if he doesn’t they’ll be picking in a similar spot next year.”

      That is not true at all. Keenum could easily not work out and the Broncos could still be picking in the back half of the 1st round. Nobody said Hoyer “worked out” when he imploded in the WC round yet the Texans were picking in the 20s.

      • The Color Orange

        That’s why I still tend to think they’re going QB. You have to take advantage of being at the top of the draft, because you never know when the opportunity is going to present itself again.

        • ohiobronco

          With the important caveat that there is a QB on the board worth picking.

          • The Color Orange

            Yes, the nightmare scenario is that only Allen is there, which I still think is a distinct possibility.

          • pubkeeper

            If this guy is accurate, it could be rosen.

      • Tyler

        Thank you. Even a 7-9 record would make it a lot harder to land a franchise QB.

      • pubkeeper

        This. Plus, how many qb’s will be legit first round talent next year? I know Lock from Missouri. Who else?

        • gnasses

          Of course time will tell, but at this point I think there will probably also be 4 or 5 QBs in consideration for a 2019 first round pick, and a couple favorites will as always shoot up the board based on play next year. Besides Lock, by my count you have Thorson at Northwestern depending on injury recovery, Stidham at Auburn, Eason at Washington who was injured in the opener last year, and Shea Patterson at Michigan after injury and transfer from Ole Miss. I could also see Nick Fitzgerald at Miss St making a JoshAllen-type rise up the boards depending on his season.

          • pubkeeper

            That would make the pill of having the number 5 pick with 4 good qb prospects and then missing out altogether a little easier to swallow. I like Keenum, quite a bit too, but don’t see him as a franchise guy. I just don’t want to be in this spot again in a couple years looking for a QB.

          • Yahmule

            I think Justin Herbert will be a top five pick next season.

        • Drewredux

          Clayton Thorson, apparently the Michigan QB (although undersized), Jarrett Stidham.

          Just off the top o my head. Spit balling, entirely.

          • gnasses

            It’s kinda funny to me that 6’2″ and a shade over 200 lbs is considered undersized at QB in today’s NFL, but Joe Montana played at 6’2″ and 205 lbs. (Edit: Please don’t conflate this as a comparison between Patterson and Montana in anything other than size.)

          • Drewredux

            I just got ‘undersized’ from the scouting report. I know nothing about the kid.

            I agree entirely with your logic.

    • gnasses

      I am beginning to believe the reality is closer to Broncos know which QBs they like, don’t like any enough to pay the price to move up, but also strongly suspect the QBs they like will be gone by the 5th pick.

      Since there are 5 or 6 potential first round QB picks this year. It would be an interesting analysis to try to project next year’s potential QB needy teams and next year’s likely prospects. If the glut of 1st round rookie passers drafted this year lowers the demand next year, that might be a better value year to draft a QB, especially given the ephemeral nature of QB prospect evaluations in the NFL. If there is a >50% your QB flops anyway, getting the best quality possible at the best value makes a lot of sense. Our FO has been pretty good about being forward looking so if they considered these kind of factors I would not be surprised.

  • bradley

    Here’s Aaron Rodgers and the Dalai Lama in a Packers hat having a laugh

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-dalai-lama-hat-football-photo

    • gnasses

      Thanks for this, you made my Packer fan wife’s morning.

  • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      Assuming the Giants do not trade #2.

      1. Josh Allen
      2. Sam Darnold or Bradley Chubb
      3. Baker Mayfield

      Then things get interesting at 4.

  • Nick

    The worst 12 rookie classes by snap counts, in longform:

    https://overthecap.com/worst-rookie-classes-snap-counts-2011-2014/

    5. 2013 Broncos (4.487)

    5 players with vested veteran contracts, 1 of which was an extension

    Like Schneider, the normally sharp John Elway threw a duck on getting rookies in 2013. 1st rounder Sylvester Williams at least was a regular starter at nose tackle, and 3rd rounder Kayvon Webster became a solid #4 CB behind the trio of Chris Harris, Aqib Talib and Bradley Roby. But the Broncos got nothing out of Day 3 of the draft, and 2nd rounder Montee Ball’s troubles with alcohol made him one of the bigger busts in Broncos draft history. On the brighter side, the miss on Ball was indemnified by finding CJ Anderson as an undrafted free agent, the only one of these rookies to stay with the Broncos beyond his rookie contract.

  • Sparks
  • Sparks

    If Marquette King actually induces Irvin into some kind of on-field personal foul, I’d say this is a big win for King. Looks like he’s already in Irvin’s mind.

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/nfl-raiders-broncos-marquette-king-bruce-irvin-beef-twitter?utm_source=outbrain_ftw&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail

  • royalwithcheese
    • The Color Orange

      I would put “punter is a diva” very low on the list of things to worry about with your football team.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        IDK Man. Todd Sauerbrun almost tore our team apart.

        • Drewredux

          As did the curse of Brett Kern. That shit was Bambinoish.

          • Yahmule

            Babe would have never cursed the Red Sox for trading him to the City That Never Sleeps. He was like a kid on Christmas day going there. If we was going to curse anybody, it would have been the Yankees. They dangled the manager’s job in front of him like a carrot on a stick, never intending to give him the position. Mainly because they feared he would have pushed to erase the color line in MLB. Babe barnstormed frequently against Negro League players, appearing in something like 800 games throughout his career. Then, when Babe was old, the Yankees traded him to the pitiful Boston Braves to play out the string. A total slap in the face.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      “I was excited. Like you said, they make it to the Super Bowl almost every year. If they don’t, they win it. It was an exciting feeling for me,” Patterson said of his trade to Foxborough.

      Hmmm….impressive.

    • Yahmule

      Says a guy who is bouncing to his third team in three years.

  • RSH

    My brother-in-law is a statistician for Gore in Phoenix. He has been in-town this week for a statisticians convention in Denver. Last night, he attended an event at Mile High Stadium, where Peyton Manning spoke. My brother-in-law was also was able to meet Ed McCaffrey and Shaquil Barrett. He also had photos taken with both McCaffrey, Barrett, and Miles. This brother-in-law was also thoughtful enough to get autographed photos of McCaffrey and Barrett addressed to me.

    My brother-in-law is a diehard Green Bay Packers’ fan. He told McCaffrey that it was somewhat painful to meet him based on the Broncos’ Super Bowl XXXII defeat of the Packers, which included McCaffrey’s epic block. Here are some photos from the event for your viewing.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c01dc0af9f8757f5fc89c4d6b41764f6908957b5cbdd01bf5ddf2abbb7b18ce.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00197d866f9b14e6cc3e960bb83b2174a14383d07021aa529fbb09d090190f56.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/475db2cbe9d5ecd9e6510ac11b43ad1ee92b156bc178d5123f49ded54c42a69d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/884a6ffe6533c698d1e538ea2adaf7cc2463be0c2ef3d8ba175e90ec139cafa3.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa9a48de059c3bf210c798357847c810ed962880f103c863e4d7b19ab04671d7.jpg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqie0q7I5Y

    • Carsonic

      Wow, so cool! I would say you definitely owe him one!

  • Sparks

    Here’s the first mock from MJD. While it would suck to miss out on both Nelson and Chubb, I would be ecstatic to get Mayfield at 12 and then to get a solid interior defender in Da’Ron Payne. I’d still rather they just took Nelson but this would be a nice consolation prize, especially since I’d hope they’d get another Bills pick later in the draft to complete the trade.

    For fun, you can click the tabs on top to see Casserly’s 2.0 and Reuters 4.0 mocks. Cassely also has us making the Bills trade but has us taking Roquan (1 pick before Vita) and Kirk. I would not like this near as much as MJD’s mock.
    Finally, Reuter has us taking Chubb (5), Carlton Davis CB Auburn (40), Rudolph (71), Colby Gossett OG Appalachian State (99), Chad Thomas DE Miami (106), Byron Pringle WR K-State (113), Tim Settle DT V Tech (149) & Will Dissly TE Washington (160). This seems like a pretty solid draft for the Broncos that I could get behind.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000925758/article/maurice-jonesdrew-mock-draft-10-browns-land-lamar-jackson

    • The Color Orange

      That is quite possibly the worst mock draft I’ve ever seen. Is he paying attention to anything?

      • Sparks

        Which one? MJD, Casserly or Reuter?

        • The Color Orange

          MJD.

          • Sparks

            Hm, I didn’t think it was that bad at all. Barkley at 1 might be RB bias. Picks 2-11 all seem reasonable. For instance, Smith to the Raiders is on most mocks I’ve seen and the 9’ers getting a defensive back is pretty much on every mock as well. If you think Mayfield falling to 12 is ridiculous, I could agree with that. Maybe having Wynn go before Hernandez is a reach but not that much of one. Vita going to the Chargers sucks but adding him to a line with Bosa and Ingram would really put the hurt on their opponents. Oliver to the Seahawks in the wake of Sherman moving on is reasonable. 19-22 don’t seem out of line. The pats going CB is not unreasonable with Butler moving on, although I think they’d go OL first, but he has them going OL in their 2nd pick. The Browns moving back into 1 to get a promising QB that has a similar skillset to their current projected starter is a dream scenario many here discussed if we could have landed Tyrod.

            While it might not be the best, I don’t think his mock is that bad.

          • The Color Orange

            I think, right off the top, he’s got the first three picks wrong. Barkely is not going number one; it’s been pretty widely reported that the Giants really only like Darnold and will likely not go QB if Darnold isn’t there; and Darnold won’t be there at three. Any mock that blows the first three picks is pretty bad and guarantees that much of what comes later will be wrong too.

          • Sparks

            It’s a mock draft. All of them will be wrong. There will be trades that no one saw coming. All it takes is one and the board falls differently than anyone planned. That said, most here and out in analyst world believe Rosen is the best QB of the bunch. Having him come off the board first is not a clueless projection. I agree with Darnold being linked to the Giants but this is the ultimate lying period. It doesn’t make it so. With the QB many project as the best in this class gone, the Jest pouncing on the QB many think is #2 is also not unreasonable.

            Do you happen to have a link to a mock that you think nails the first 3 picks perfectly and then would guarantee that much of what comes later is also spot on?

          • Yahmule

            Isaiah Olivar might turn out alright, but I still have flashbacks to his dad getting repeatedly incinerated in the NFL.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            His dad? Louis Oliver???

          • Yahmule

            Muhammad. Broncos drafted him in 1992, when Reeves was in total fuck-this-shit mode. We saw after one year that he couldn’t cover anybody. Four more teams drew the same conclusion.

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OlivMu20.htm

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Interesting. I’ve completely erased any memory of him from my mind.

          • Yahmule

            Reeves final season was dark. Drafting Maddox with utterly gaping holes on the line and with nothing in the offensive skill positions was a pretty deliberate power play that he lost big. Honestly, the game I remember best from that season was nearly beating the Cowboys behind the Maddox/Moore two headed quarterback. Watched that game @ Telly’s in Universal City and was fully drunk enough to taunt Cowboys fans to the point of violence if we had won.

          • Sparks

            Every time I see the name Maddox, Pickens jumps into my head.

          • Yahmule

            Five of the six players picked right after Maddox had excellent careers, Pickens among them.

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1992/draft.htm

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            I was often too distracted and drunk to give the Broncos the in-depth attention they deserved in the early nineties.

      • Laces Out

        Lightning strikes! I agree with you he has no f****** clue

        • Sparks

          Which picks do you think he has no fucking clue on? I outlined it below but I don’t think he is too far off on most of his selections.

          • Laces Out

            Let me check out your outline below but when I first saw it I thought he was stoned that he had Fitzpatrick falling so far and also that Barkley would go number one I think is crazy talk there’s no way in hell Lamar Jackson is the Browns quarterback at the end of round one when they have the pick of the litter at the top….

            I also think it’s ludicrous to believe that John Elway would actually let Buffalo come in and take Allen in their spot that would be straight Twilight Zone s***…

            Allen will not be available at number 5… as I’ve stated most of the offseason he will be a brown unfortunately for him.

            I’m not sold that the Giants will take a quarterback myself and I think Mayfield could fall slightly but not as far as he is in this one somebody will come up for him like Arizona if that starts to occur

          • Sparks

            Fair enough. I don’t see Barkley going #1 either and called it out as potential RB bias coming from MJD but I think it could be argued that he is the best player in the draft and if the Browns truly love him and feel the Giants are a threat to take him, I could see them making this move. Plus, they have Tyrod in place so they don’t have to draft a QB @1, so having them go Barkley Chubb at 1 and 4 and then coming back in to get LJ would be a stroke of brilliance. Maybe having the Browns show any kind of competence is ridiculous and I could see that but having the Browns put Barkley in the backfield with Tyrod and then matching Chubb with Garrett is not totally crazy.

            I know I’m in the minority but I’m not near as high on Fitzpatrick as most on this board. Having him fall to 14 doesn’t seem out of line to me.

            We will have to agree to disagree on Allen. No need to rehash it here but we are on opposite sides of the fence with him.

            I’m not sold the Giants go QB either but with a rapidly declining Eli, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that they go QB, especially if the Browns go non-QB at 1 leaving the entire QB list open to the Giants.

            I know that you were just throwing a quick list together but if all MJD is wrong on is 5 picks out of 32, I’d call that a highly successful mock.

          • Laces Out

            I agree if he only gets 5 picks wrong he will have the best mock I’ve ever seen but at this stage I just think it’s unrealistic not necessarily a bad draft for Cleveland… this Mark would also leave a heck of a great 2nd round available because of all the good talent that slid down it..

    • Russ

      “The Browns are in win-now mode” … I think by “win-now mode” he means win at least one game mode.

      • QDoc

        Whoever their new HC is in 2019 will love all of the young talent on the roster.

        • Sparks

          And the top 5 pick they’ll inevitably have.

    • Yahmule

      I don’t like the trade. I’m down with some of these picks, but a guard from Appalachian State in round three sounds like a waste. Settle that low would be a coup. I actually like Chad Thomas a lot. Big time motor and a very moldable player. Our defensive line would be ridiculously deep and talented after this draft.

      • Sparks

        I thought the same thing about Gossett but I remembered reading about him on a sleeper list bradley provided from PFF and it says “Gossett had an excellent career at Appalachian State, grading at 80.0-plus in all four years, including an 89.6 sophomore season that saw him rank second in the nation among guards. Gossett has good size for the next level, but it’s his zone blocking that stands out as he has a number of impressive reach blocks on tape. He regularly gets out and turns defenders on the front side of outside zone plays, and his ability to execute those difficult blocks make him attractive to outside zone teams. Gossett still has room to improve in pass protection where his grade has been on the decline in each of the last three seasons, but he’s excellent in the run game and his experience playing right tackle only helps his versatility at the next level.”

        3 might be a little high for him but he could be a solid pick in 4 or later.

        Several others have him as a sleeper as well.

        https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-hidden-gems-underrated-prospects-in-the-draft

        https://nflspinzone.com/2018/03/31/dallas-cowboys-sleeper-targets-2018-nfl-draft/

        https://www.ndtscouting.com/ndt-staff-senior-bowl-preview-offensive-line-superlatives/

        • Yahmule

          Hard to find tape on him. He looks pretty good against Miami in 2016. His quickness off the ball jumps out and he’s really good in space Got to the far side OLB on a block that was extremely impressive. I would really like to see him against against Georgia last year.

          • Sparks

            You’re right. The only thing I could find is the game in it’s entirety. I’m too lazy but there’s a few spots like at 12:54 that show him blowing open a nice hole.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85cHzRuXis

  • Drewredux

    If this has been linked, my apologies.

    https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/4/9/17213706/baker-mayfield-scouting-report

    This has me 100% back on the Mayfield train.

    I mean, let’s Ditka this shit! 😉

    • Sparks

      Good read, thanks for posting. I go back and forth between him and Rosen as my #1 QB. I still have Rosen as my #1 by the slimmest of margins but really, I’d be happy with either and when all is said and done, it would not surprise me if Mayfield is the best QB of the bunch.

      • Yahmule

        I could live with Darnold @ 5, too. I think his absolute floor is rock solid 10-12 year starter.

        • Sparks

          I have had trouble getting on board with Darnold. I have no solid reason for feeling this way. I freely admit that part of it is the USC QB fail rate in the NFL. That’s not fair to Darnold but it is what it is. Part of it is just gut feeling. He just seems to have an air about him that I don’t think will be successful at the next level. I concede I’m probably completely wrong on Darnold but IMO, there’s Rosen/Mayfield….then a distant 3rd would be Darnold, then not as quite a large of a drop off to LJ, then a similar drop-off to Rudolph/Allen.

      • Drewredux

        It has taken me a long time to form a strong opinion on what Denver should do, but passing on Rosen or Mayfield would leave me disappointed.

        Mayfield especially.

  • The Color Orange
    • TiredOfWinning

      If true, sounds like either Allen or Rosen will be available at 5; along with Barkley and Nelson.

      • PiperAR

        If this happens Denver could grab the player they want, or trade with Tampa, Chicago, or SanFran. None of them will draft a QB, but it does open the risk being jumped by Buffalo or Arizona

        Trade with Tampa.
        #5 Tampa takes Barkley
        #6A Colts take Nelson
        #6B Colts trade, Rosen goes here
        #7 Broncos take Rosen or Nelson

        • QDoc

          The absolute ideal scenario is that they trade down with Tampa at 5, and someone has already grabbed Allen. That way we get Rosen or Nelsen, as you say. Then use the extra ammo picked up from TB to move back into the first for either Hernandez or an OT. This would be pretty sweet.

          • Yahmule

            I love this idea because it leaves Nelson on the table and trading to 9 with SF definitely kisses him goodbye. You have to think the Bucs would love to get a Barkley type back. Still, if they’re going to trade up, they should probably go for broke and try to get Chubb.

        • gobroncos

          What would be the compensation to move back 2 spots like that?

          • PiperAR

            Per The Chart #5 = 1700 and #7 = 1500. 200 = #78 which is KC’s 3rd round pick. Tampa doesn’t seem to have a 3rd round pick.

          • masonjar

            I’d take a second next year from TB.

    • Tyler

      Rosen at 5 sounds pretty nice.

      • The Color Orange

        It’s weird. Several months ago, the idea of Rosen falling to 5 was absurd. Now it’s pretty likely.

        • Sparks

          Agree with this. I never even considered him a possibility to the Broncos so I didn’t pay a lot of attention to his film or any of that. He was a foregone conclusion at 1 to me for so long.

    • Trying to find out more information, but I will say a couple of things pertaining to what i discussed yesterday.

      * It is looking more likely that the Jets will take Baker Mayfield. So I was mistaken that the Jets are fixated on Allen, though he does remain in play. The one who the Jets will pass on among the top QBs: Josh Rosen.
      * The Browns trading down from No. 4 depends a lot on whether or not the Giants take Bradley Chubb. If they don’t, the Browns want Chubb at 4 and won’t trade down.
      * Bills are still interested in moving up but it depends on the price to do so — and keep in mind they need to replace two interior linemen (they had an offensive tackle they liked to replace Cordy Glenn, but the unexpected retirements of Eric Wood and Richie Incognito now make the O-line a higher draft priority).
      * The Cardinals really like Josh Allen, so they could be prepared to move up for him.

      Otherwise, these things I can tell you are LOCKED.

      * Browns are staying at No. 1 and taking a QB.
      * Giants are asking too much to move down from No. 2.
      * Jets are taking a QB.
      * If Chubb is still on the board at No. 4, Browns will ask for too much to move down.

      • QDoc

        Baker Mayfield in orange and blue = awesome prospect with great passion and a true leader
        Baker Mayfield in green and white = total douchebag… Phil Rivers v2.0

        • Yahmule

          Yeah, I don’t want the Jets to be good. Their fans can’t handle it.

      • Tim

        Any word on if the Giants would pass on Rosen if Browns take Darnold?

        • Rosen is still in play for the Giants, but it’s more likely they’d take Chubb if the Browns take Darnold.

          • Tim

            I would be ecstatic if Rosen dropped to 5! Thanks for the updates Bob

      • Yahmule

        The most shocking thing that could happen in round one would be the Jets not taking a quarterback.

        • PiperAR

          Anouncing the Jets pick, Vernon Gholston…

        • Clockwork Orange

          I’d be equally as shocked if Woody Johnson allowed them to take Rosen.

          • PiperAR

            Woody Johnson and the “bigger dick” foriegn policy/draft strategy.

          • Yahmule

            What? They have bigger dicks? Bomb them!

  • royalwithcheese
  • The Color Orange
  • The Color Orange
    • Yahmule

      He traded a first rounder from a loaded draft for a second rounder from a shitty one. It really felt like we had a ten year old running the team half the time.

      • pubkeeper

        Yep. I wasn’t on board with the Cutler trade, but then we got a pretty good haul for him. Brutal watching that get absolutely pissed away. Such a missed opportunity.

        • Drewredux

          DT, at least.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Decker wasn’t a bad pick either. Knowshon Moreno probably shouldn’t have been picked as high as he was, but he ended up being productive for us as well.

          • Yahmule

            Nice guy, but by no means did he return first round value. McDaniels had roughly four drafts worth of picks in two years and came away with relatively little.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I remember saying over and over, “Why the hell would we pick a running back that high?” This year, I’m clamoring for us to take one at 5.

          • Yahmule

            Josh took one because he dismantled the passing game and he knew running backs are usually immediate impact. Unless they show up not ready for the NFL in a car with personalized plates that read SAUCED. Same reason he traded away the 2010 pick. He was desperate to win right away to justify his rash moves and the future be damned.

          • cjfarls

            Exactly this. He also thought he was the smartest man in the room, and that if he just got “his guys” he’d succeed. He internalized the Belicheck hubris, without the Belicheck-patience and flexibility.

            His moves were all “hubris” moves. In many cases, the players he took weren’t terrible (Moreno & Ayers were actually good 1st round picks in that terrible class; DT, Decker, etc.)… but because he was so tunnel-visioned on the guys he liked, he sacrificed draft value generally rather than waiting to see who fell. Consequently he had to pick guys that weren’t only “good”, but rather “good plus” the lost opportunity cost of the guys he could have taken had he just let the board fall to him.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I’m still convinced that he was sent here to destroy our team and go back to the Patriots, since they couldn’t seem to crack the code of beating us at the time. Hate those guys…

          • Broncos777

            Me too.

          • Nick

            And yet, the Patriots were 0-1 against the Broncos in the McDaniels era. Must have been part of the long con.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey
          • Drewredux

            Could be if KnoMo’s knees didn’t betray him, he’d have ultimately lived up to that slot…and folks would be praising McD for be seeing a little ahead of the curve in how the ultra back was going from bling to mainstream.

            Moreno was an absolute assett in ’13. He started ’14 on fire, but I guess those knees finally said fuck it. No mas.

          • cjfarls

            yeah, folks forget that he definitely was the consensus top-back in the draft, with some thinking he was potentially a top-10 pick.

            But its easy to be blinded because we passed on Orakpo for him who was a top-5 prospect that unexplicably fell to us, and then “overdrafted” Ayers (who also ended up being a decent player from that terrible class) who seemed an odd fit for our scheme.

          • Drewredux

            I was sooooo relieved Orakpo fell exactly because of their fixation with Ayers. But I was also a big proponent of Moreno. The emotions were mixed for me.

          • Drewredux

            I was just offering him up as a coping mechanism. 😀

            Though, it would be fair to say, DT is in my Top 5 favorite Broncos all tme. Heck, my Xbox name is Broncodrew88. Love everything about the guy.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            DT is a real class act. I have met him twice. I got my picture taken with him once, and had him sign a football, and picture the second time.

      • The Color Orange

        And then used said second rounder on Alphonso Smith.

        • G Mik

          And the term, “great ball skills,” was ruined in my lexicon forever…

    • Nick

      To anyone who says trading up for Tebow was the worst thing McDaniels did, I always counter with this disaster.

      • Hank Mardukis

        Richard Quinn doesn’t think he’s the winner, but wants to pop his head in and at the very least say hello.

      • All bad deals. No team was taking Tebow in the first rd., not even Buffalo (I am sure a rumor floated by the Pats knowing that McD was in love with Tebow’s makeup or whatever).

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      It was horrible, but I’m not lamenting Earl Thomas. We’d more than likely have picked some guy who no one heard of.

  • QDoc
    • pubkeeper

      Timmay!

  • Nick

    Since they’re playing the NFC West in the regular season this year, I really don’t want them to play anyone from there in the preseason, but of course they will because avoiding it for everyone would require three Eastern Time Zone teams to play at a Pacific Time Zone team, and vice versa. I just hope the NFC West games are minimized.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/984126055769190400

    • PiperAR

      IMO preseason should be AFC v NFC as much as possible, and teams that don’t meet in the regular season. Actually, prioritize the later over the former.

      • Yahmule

        It doesn’t seem to change up much. We play the Cardinals and/or Niners every year. Seems like it anyway.

        • PiperAR

          Yeah. I’d prefer not to in the year the NFC west is on the schedule but it’s not that big a deal. Especially game 4.

          It’s like how I prefer ranch with fries but if they have no ranch or charge extra then katsup is fine.

    • RSH

      My guesses for the Broncos’ 2018 preseason opponents would be Arizona, Chicago, Dallas, and Green Bay.

    • Tim

      Let’s switch it up this year. For the 4 preseason games, the Broncos will play:
      Week 1: Arena football all stars
      Week 2: CFL all stars and Manziel, just to throw him a bone
      Week 3: Alabama. Get them season ready
      Week 4: Lingerie league all stars. This might get some viewers

  • One thing I can share with you if the Broncos did move down from No. 5.

    They like Roquan Smith. He might get consideration at No. 5 (though the Broncos would consider Rosen, Mayfield and Nelson before him), but if they move down the board, Smith becomes a bigger possibility.

    And a couple of the Mile High Huddle analysts discussed draft day scenarios if the Broncos traded down. A player they like is Tremaine Edmunds if the Broncos were to, say, trade down with the Bills to No. 12.

    Here’s a link to the podcast if you want to listen.

    https://scout.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Huddle-Up-Podcast-Analyzing-The-Scenarios-The-Denver-Broncos-Could-Face-In-The-Top-5-Of-The-Draft-117219097

    • The Color Orange

      One interesting thing on there is the scuttlebutt that Rosen is off the Jets’ board because he wore a hat that said “F*** Trump.” That would explain all of the Mayfield to the Jets talk. That definitely moved Rosen to the top of my board, but I wonder how it would sit with Elway.

      • Yahmule

        Did you mean “Fuck Trump” because fuck that guy and all his friends.

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI2lIiMUEAAIwPc.jpg

      • I don’t believe Elway cares about who voted for who last election, as long as the player can play the position.

        I know Kubiak doesn’t care and he’s the one getting more of the input in this year’s draft.

        • The Color Orange

          That was tongue in cheek. I assume if they brought Rosen in for a sitdown with Ellis, they don’t particularly care about his hat.

      • Andrew

        I really like this kid it’s hilarious how him being outspoken and liberal has pissed off the old school knuckle dragging nfl crowd.

  • The Color Orange

    The Ringer explains why drafting Josh Allen would be the end of the Browns’ analytics era.

    https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/11/17224760/josh-allen-cleveland-browns-analytics-nfl-draft

    • DCJ1

      Interesting that Leftwich is the outlier on the list of top ten Qbase predictions. I always thought he’d have made it if it hadn’t been Jacksonville that drafted him.

  • The Color Orange
    • Yahmule

      I’ll bet he really cleaned house against Youngstown State. Surprised we’re looking hard @ small school developmental traits prospect cornerbacks after Brendan Langley arrived like a batch of green bananas.

      • The Color Orange

        It’s probably because Woods is an ISU guy. But, yeah, I would prefer no more third rounders from Lamar.

  • RSH
  • The Color Orange

    Bills are said to like Allen, so this could mean. 1. Darnold 2. Allen 3. Mayfield 4. Chubb
    https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/984143414202716160

    • RSH

      Having our choice of Josh Rosen, Saquon Barkley, Quenton Nelson, or trading back to #7 and still getting one of these players, would be sublime.

      • cjfarls

        Yep – it is also nice that we could go back to #9 with SF and have those plus Vea/Fitz or one of the nice ILB prospects.

        • Yahmule

          I think the Niners would covet Barkley or Minkah, so this is very possible.

          • cjfarls

            I really think there are 10 blue-chippers in this draft…. makes trading back to #9 really tempting.

            The downside of that is, anyone you passed on at #5 is likely a truly awesome prospect, and if any of the 3-4 taken before you go on to be a HOFer and your guy is only a moderate pro-bowler, it might be easy to have buyers remorse.

            But the upside being maybe the extra 2nd rounder is ALSO a probowler, so you can make your own mental tradeoffs on whether 2 good players equal 1 great player. (or your guy is a HOFer, and everyone says how smart you are).

          • Yahmule

            The scary thing about trade downs is the extra, far less certain picks. If you trade 5 for 12 and 22, the pressure is really on 22 not to bust. If he does, the comparison between the high picks is something that will be talked about for a long time.

      • Drewredux

        I might stroke out if they pass on Rosen at 5.

        I love those other two guys, too. So it’s not that.

        But geez…

    • PiperAR

      #2 2600
      #12 1200
      #22 780
      #56 340
      That still leaves 280 points to cover.

      I have nothing against JA other than I don’t want the Broncos to draft him. I hope he has a nice career if Buffalo gives up that much to draft him, otherwise he’s going to bear the brunt of some serious and undeserved hate.

    • Per Erick Treckel, Giants source said no trade in place with Bills.

      Doesn’t mean the Bills wouldn’t move up, but Giants appear not likely. More likely it’s the Browns at No. 4 if Giants take Chubb at No. 2 or Broncos at No. 5 if Allen is the only QB among the top four left.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        I’ve said several times I’d like for us to go QB at 5. But if Allen is the only one left, I’d rather grab Nelson or Barkley or trade back a bit.

        Course, I don’t think they’ll solicit my opinion…

  • RSH
    • bradley

      I suppose we’ll see a lot of Trevor and Kyle Sloter the first game.

    • hirngabel

      So, Keenum, Cravens and Veldheer all get a “Revenge” game.

    • RSH
    • Nick

      Nice, only one NFC West team. Looks like the Broncos were one of the teams stuck with a East Coast trip, but for the preseason, whatever.

    • Nick

      It’s also yet another year in which the Broncos do not get a national TV showing in preseason.

      • RSH

        And this time around, it may mean fewer regular season primetime and featured late afternoon games, as you and I both have mentioned previously.

    • Nick

      AFC West/NFC West crossovers:
      –DEN: 1
      –KC: 0
      –OAK: 2
      –LAC: 3
      –ARI: 2
      –LAR: 1
      –SF: 1
      –SEA: 2

      Not too bad, wish it could be better. Poor Chargers.

      • RSH

        The Chiefs would have had one if the Rams were still playing in St. Louis.

    • DragonPie

      Kudos to Klis for very overtly avoiding the racial slur.

    • Russ

      How common is it for two teams to play in preseason and also in the regular season? Maybe be played Seattle a few years back in preseason and regular season? I can’t remember.

      • RSH

        The Broncos played both the Seahawks and 49ers in the 2014 preseason and regular season.

      • Rob Rooney

        We played the Cards twice in the same season a few years back. The Cardinals are the ‘go to’ team for the last pre-season game, alternating where it is played. I would guess it is due to the proximity of the teams to close out the preseason with a short trip, but it has been pretty consistent since 2003. Since 2003 the Card have been preseason game 4 opponents every season except 2010 (Vikings) and 2014 (Cowboys).

        • Jeremy

          I think you are right that it’s short proximity for travel. Teams always complain they don’t have enough time to get home, finalize their rosters, and get their game plan made and implemented between Thursday Night and the following Sunday.

  • RSH
    • Rob Rooney

      AF = Asshole Full

  • royalwithcheese

    I have one free night in Denver tomorrow. What should I do?

    • RSH

      What are your interests?

      • royalwithcheese

        Uh, sports? Also music, food, history, movies.

        • Tim

          RiNo district is a lot of fun if you like breweries and alcohol. There are some really good restaurants down there as well like Cart Driver, pizza. Bar Fausto is one of my favorite cocktail places in town. But the brewery scene is awesome

          • royalwithcheese

            Indeed, I do enjoy adult beverages.

          • Tim

            RiNo has the most breweries in a square mile than anywhere else in the world. Plus a winery, two ciderhouses, a distillery, and some great bars. It’s a fun part of town

          • Laces Out

            Just make sure to bring a douche beard to that area

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            “Look at the hot dude with the bushy beard, and the youth of Hitler Haircut” said no chick…ever…

          • Laces Out

            For fuckin real….

            btw did see all these shitty inaccurate TDs!?

            https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA

          • DragonPie

            I used to like RiNo better when it was just a bunch of warehouses with underground punk rock venues. But, yeah, I guess that’s a place to visit.

            Personally, I’d go hiking in Boulder or Red Rocks.

          • Drewredux

            Damn I’ve been gone a long time. Had to look RiNo up.

          • Carsonic

            Same.

        • Sparks

          Looks like the Rockies are in DC or I would suggest that. LoDo and Coors field is always a fun time.

    • bradley

      Breathe deeply and often. It’s a Mile High, you know.

  • Nick

    Somehow I don’t think this would have even been considered if Fox was still the Bears’ head coach.

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/984186070484037632

  • RSH
    • Tim

      Perdomo is a joke. He throws a 96 mph intentionally behind Nolan, then throws his glove, and runs away.

      If you’re going to throw at a guy, have the guts to face the fight

      • Clockwork Orange

        My favorite thing about all of this is that apparently Parra’s ejection was because he punched sanctimonious douchebag AJ Ellis in the face.

        • Yahmule

          When one of these breaks out, you better believe Parra will get his licks in.

      • Laces Out

        See Nolan Ryan

      • Yahmule

        He was also low 90’s all game and then loads up to try and bean the guy.

        • DCJ1

          If you don’t want to get beaned, you don’t ask your pitchers to bean the other guys. Margo ended up on the DL after taking one to the ribs. Story gets hit with a soft one, not really that much in comparison, then Refroe gets taken out with a hard one to the wrist. Arenado jawing the whole time. Damn straight Perdomo throws at him.

          • Yahmule

            Good context. I had my Rockie loving wife’s side of the story.

          • Clockwork Orange

            Oh spare me. Renfroe was the only Padre who got hit intentionally and that was after they threw at Story. Margot got hit accidentally and Oberg even reached out to him after the game to apologize. I get that the Padres manager has a terminal case of little man syndrome, but you don’t have to run with a bullshit narrative just because that’s what they want you to believe.

            The Broncos should bring Perdomo in to coach their DB’s. That guy sure can backpedal in a hurry.

    • Nick
  • Nick
    • bradley

      Raccoons are nocturnal, FWIW.

  • RSH

    The Nuggets’ season comes to a tough end.

    https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/984261509323698176?s=21

    • Tyler

      That one was brutal

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      T-Wolves got some home team love on the fouls.

      • Tim

        Such a great game and both teams played well enough to win. Damn shame the refs played such a key role. Gibson and Towns got away with over a dozen fouls a piece

        But Jokic versus Towns is as good of a budding rivalry as there is in the NBA

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Jokic is something for Nuggets fans to be happy about. Both were young, up and coming teams. Nuggets will be in the mix next year.

      • gnasses

        It was a great game to see in person, although Target Center is a ‘meh’ venue.

        I don’t know if it showed on TV how chippy and physical the game was on both ends after about 10minutes into the first quarter. Refs were on the verge of losing control of this game a couple times. Taj and Kat definitely got away with some fouls but Jokic was pulling some serious head games and playing dirty with grabbing and clutching at both and had them both fuming and red-faced at times. Barton must have gotten hit in the face 7 or 8 times driving the basket with no call, and still made most of the layups.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Are you a Wolves fan?

          • gnasses

            Nuggets fan first, wolves fan second. My wife has worked in the office of the Target Center for over a decade and is friendly with the coaching staff, executives, and administrative staff. She always gets me tickets when the nuggets are in town, and usually gets a bunch of grief when she takes the night off and we show up in nuggets gear. Took my son last night and wore no nuggets gear at his request.

            BTW, I absolutely love Jokic and his game even if I have to agree he is sometimes a dirty player. When he started hitting multiple 3 pointers, the wolves fans near me were nearly apoplectic.

  • Laces Out

    This is a likely mock…apologies for the whack slide show…DUB CHUBB

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/opinion-3-round-nfl-mock-draft/ss-AAvH88p?li=BBnba9I

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      You better delete that. Nick is going to lose his shit if he sees a slideshow on this site.

    • Carsonic

      The Colts make out like bandits in this one. We do OK, but I hadn’t heard of Lasley before.

  • Drewredux

    This isn’t awful:

    5: R1P5
    G QUINTON NELSON
    NOTRE DAME
    40: R2P8
    DL TIM SETTLE
    VIRGINIA TECH
    71: R3P7
    RB SONY MICHEL
    GEORGIA
    99: R3P35
    OT CHUKWUMA OKOROFOR
    WESTERN MICHIGAN
    106: R4P6
    TE MIKE GESICKI
    PENN STATE
    113: R4P13
    CB HOLTON HILL
    TEXAS
    149: R5P12
    WR EQUANIMOUS ST. BROWN
    NOTRE DAME
    160: R5P23
    CB CHRISTIAN CAMPBELL

    I used the Mile High Huddle board/difficult.

    I did pass on Darnold.

    • royalwithcheese

      I think I have a Chubb.

      • Drewredux

        I think they have to squeeze more O skill players in, but I stuck true to the board as it played out.

        My biggest reach was Hill, but only 20 slots.

        I seriously doubt St. Brown or Campbell fall that far.

        • Agreed, most have Equanimous going Round 2 or 3. I don’t know about Chukwuma Okorafor in Rd 3 at all tho. Size and build are yes, has an awkward stance and gets off balance from what I have seen. Overall this is solid tho! Good stuff.

      • Yahmule

        I would resell Bobby Humphrey’s soul to the devil for this draft.