• bradley

    Aldon Smith had a BAC of .40 — five times the legal limit — when arrested Friday, and it’s a miracle he’s alive

    https://sports.yahoo.com/aldon-smith-bac-40-five-times-legal-limit-arrested-friday-miracle-hes-alive-223214877.html?src=rss

    • Sparks

      .40 is crazy.

      • bradley

        Suicide attempt?

        • Sparks

          Maybe. Like the immortal Ozzy once said, “Wine is Fine but Whiskey’s Quicker…Suicide is Slow with Liquor”

          • Yahmule

            And then some shitty parents tried to blame their dead kid on him.

      • gnasses

        Fits right in with the upper Midwest.
        https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2009/12/how_much_alcohol_would_a_708_b/

        Seriously, though. BAC that high (22 drinks per hour) without coma or death demonstrates long-term alcohol abuse and dependency.

        • Sparks

          .78 and slumped over the wheel of a stolen delivery truck?? How the hell does that happen? How does one who is at that BAC even get up into a truck, or stand, or breathe? That’s amazing.

          • RSH

            This is taking me back to a similar fact pattern for a legal writing class brief assignment that I had my first year of law school.

          • Alaskan

            Which side were you, and what did you say?

          • RSH

            I had to argue that a defendant charged with a DUI was not in actual physical control of a motor vehicle at the time of his arrest, because the defendant was asleep in the motor vehicle’s backseat and not behind the wheel of the vehicle. The defendant was not in a position of being readily able to start the motor vehicle’s engine while intoxicated to be convicted under the statute at issue.

          • bradley

            In real life, you’d lose that argument at a DMV hearing, unless the Defendant didn’t have ignition keys anywhere around or the car was wrecked and totally inoperable.
            At a jury trial, you’d have a shot, but the .7 b.a. level would probably freak the jury out and they’d convict just because.

          • PiperAR

            So if you’re drunk, get out of the car and sleep on the ground?

          • Alaskan

            Well, at least get out of the car.

          • RSH

            The state statute in that case was a bit more favorable to the defendant’s position than Colorado’s, but nonetheless, it was not the most favorable set of facts to be working with.

          • Nick

            Do some states include in DUI laws an element of culpability for those who pass out anywhere in the car? I seem to recall that being the case somewhere, but I could also be completely mistaken in that memory.

          • bradley

            Not sure what you mean. If you’re passed out in the car while your designated driver is taking you home you’re fine.
            It comes down to whether you are operating a motor vehicle. In Colorado, DMV construes that to include the possibility of operating a motor vehicle, so even if you leave the bar and have the sense to realize you shouldn’t drive so you go to sleep in the car, you’ll lose your license because the hearing officer will decide you still had control of the car.

          • Nick

            I meant the latter scenario, sorry for the confusion. And thanks.

          • masonjar

            Pulling on the thread a bit with an additional scenario–what if the car owner (“controller”) gave their keys to the bar manager and then went out to sleep in their car. At that point, would the law recognize that the owner is not longer physically able to control the car and not take away their license?

          • bradley

            Probably. Even at a DMV hearing.

          • PiperAR

            Taking the next step, couldn’t being in possession of car keys while intoxicated be “in control of the car”? Leaving the bar on foot, one MIGHT be walking to their car and they COULD intend to drive it.

            As a citizen, I hate this. It seems less like legitimate public safety and more like a for-profit criminal justice system looking for more convictions. Sleeping in the car instead of driving it is a GOOD thing, and to me it’s unfair and unjust to punish it. The drunk might think “well, if I’m caught driving, or I’m caught sleeping, either way I get a DUI, so, fuck it, Ima try in make it home”.

          • bradley

            Your hypo is probably a bit far fetched, even in this day and age. But, yes, you can see echos of that.
            I had a client charged with eluding a police officer even tho he was the passenger in the car.

          • T. Jensen

            I’d like to know where the car is while the person is sleeping in it.

            Was it in the parking lot of a bar?
            Was it on the shoulder of the road?
            Was it in a parking lot of a store that does not provide alcohol?

            The first one I think could be forgiven because they obviously did not leave the bar.

            The other two would be problematic for me.

          • Yahmule

            Miggy Cabrera had a memorable DUI. Ran two cars off the road; out of the car before the cops arrived and claimed he wasn’t driving; cussed out the cops while swigging from a bottle of scotch; expressed regret that he didn’t blow up some restaurant; played the do-you-know-who-I-am card. That’s getting your money’s worth.

        • Yahmule

          I like this comment from that article.

          Tyler • 8 years ago
          Stories like this make me doubt the validity of BAC testing methods. The story doesn’t mention if this was a blood test, urine test, blow test, etc. I have a hard time believing someone could actually have 70% of their bloodstream be alcohol.

          Perry Mason didn’t have anything on this guy.

    • T. Jensen

      I feel so bad for the dude. He’s obviously got a ton of issues, I thought he was seeking help.

    • Yahmule

      I like this comment from that article.

      Tyler • 8 years ago
      Stories like this make me doubt the validity of BAC testing methods. The story doesn’t mention if this was a blood test, urine test, blow test, etc. I have a hard time believing someone could actually have 70% of their bloodstream be alcohol.

      Perry Mason didn’t have anything on this guy.

  • bradley

    Football Outsiders: Taven Bryan

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/index.php?q=futures/2018/futures-taven-bryan

    “At his peak, he’s capable of doing things on the field that only the top-tier NFL defensive linemen are capable of doing. He has moments where he looks like the next Ndamukong Suh.”
    “At times, Bryan can get so locked into the diagram of a play that he fails to react to what’s happening in front of him. Even on directed slants and stunts, defensive linemen need to be able to redirect and find the football.”
    “Bryan’s the ultimate “boom or bust” defensive tackle prospect. It’ll be fun to revisit his rookie campaign this time next year because he has such a wide range of outcomes.”

    • Yahmule

      I would be really happy if he fell to 40, but that’s unlikely. I thought the JJ Watt comps were dumb, but he reminds me a lot of Derek Wolfe. Big rugged scheme-diverse stud.

  • bradley

    LaCanfora: Here are three sleeper prospects who could be drafted in first round

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-draft-heres-three-sleeper-prospects-who-could-be-drafted-in-first-round/

    Frank Ragnow, C, Arkansas
    I spoke to multiple evaluators who said they believe he is one of the 3-4 best offensive linemen in this entire draft and who believe he is a plug-and-play impact starter from Day One at center.

  • bradley

    Bengals don’t bungle message to Eric Reid, protestors: No kneeling, or else

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/bengals-eric-reid-meeting-mike-brown-protest-national-anthem-blackballed/1x8es883oms8v1wy59fdovt3ne

    “Reid got the message. So did every other player who ever did or ever might think about protesting. And it was Mike Brown and the Bengals who sent it. Go figure.”

    • Sounds like they did in fact bungle it.

      • bradley

        Interesting that Brandon Marshall did the same thing as Kaep and Reid with no (apparently) negative fallout.

        • Carsonic

          I have really appreciated and respected The Broncos’ staff and FO’s reaction to this whole thing.

        • Nick

          It also helped that he signed a four year extension right before he did it.

        • Rob Rooney

          He did lose some endorsements and got a boatload of hate mail, so there was some fallout.

    • Clockwork Orange

      The team that employs Joe Mixon is trying to be the moral authority.

      They can fuck right off.

  • Nick

    The longform of the best rookie classes by snap counts, 2011-2014.

    https://overthecap.com/best-rookie-classes-snap-counts-2011-2014/

    6. 2011 Broncos (16.822)

    7 players with vested veteran contracts, 3 of which were extensions

    John Elway’s first rookie acquisition as a GM was Super Bowl 50 MVP and likely Hall of Famer Von Miller. He followed it up with two more players (Rahim Moore and Orlando Franklin) who started at least three-quarters of available snaps on their rookie contracts, and continued it with two tight end finds later in the draft in Julius Thomas and Virgil Green. This stellar introductory rookie class for Elway ends with the acquisition of Pro Bowl cornerback Chris Harris, Jr. in undrafted free agency.

    As an aside, this rookie class was the evidence I needed to humble myself. It confirmed to me that I’m terrible at projecting rookies, because I hated it with a fiery passion right when it happened.

  • ohiobronco
    • Carsonic

      Oooo, and it’s the oh-so-significant 3rd pre-season game. Whatever happens then will determine how the season will unfold!

      • ohiobronco

        If one of Cousins/Keenum struggles and the other excels, the takes will be plentiful.

        • Yahmule

          Yeah, we can be like, “Our backup is better than your guy.”

      • MattR

        It is the first game. Third game is against the Alex Smith led team from Washington that was Cousins’s old home. So that means one series of Keenum and Cousins, but there could be some significant Siemian playing time.

        • Carsonic

          Oh, right! I saw Washington, and immediately thought of Cousins. D’oh!

        • BlackKnigh

          Be prepared to hear the howls in Denver if Siemian lights it up!

      • Alaskan

        Oh, if only that had been true last year.
        We are the Kings of the Preseason.

  • The Color Orange

    Question for someone who knows more about technical football than me (which is just about everyone). Roquan Smith is frequently mentioned as someone the Broncos are looking at if the top QBs are off the board. Would he be a replacement for Brandon Marshall or Todd Davis? Or could it be either one?

    • Yahmule

      I think he’s a phenomenal player, but he’s built like a big safety and you have to keep blockers off him. I worry that he’ll be asked to take on too many interior linemen in a one gap 3-4. He’s definitely a more instinctive linebacker than Tremaine Edmunds, who is more of a physical prototype. Edmunds takes a lot of false steps and bad angles and Smith seems to know where the ball as soon as its snapped. I would be happy with either one @ 9 if we’re determined to drop back. I thinking taking either one @ 5 is a missed opportunity.

  • The Color Orange
    • Sparks

      Either one would be a fine selection for the Browns…moreso Allen than Darnold.

      • The Color Orange

        I think we’ve got a better chance of getting Rosen if the Browns take Allen. If they take Allen, the Giants should take Darnold. If the Browns take Darnold, Giants will probably trade back. If you look around online, there is just as much connecting Buffalo to Rosen as to Allen. If Buffalo makes that kind of move up and expends all that draft capital, it’s hard to picture them not going with the guy who can start day one and is the closest to a sure thing. If Cleveland goes Allen, I’m guessing it would go 1. Allen 2. Darnold 3. Mayfield 4. Chubb.

        • Sparks

          If it falls this way, I’d still want Nelson, but if they love Rosen and went that direction, I could get excited about that pick. I’d feel a little bad for Keenum, except I know he’d be getting paid $18M to hold a clipboard.

          • Alaskan

            I’d like that job.

          • gobroncos

            Well, I bet they’d give Rosen a year to get up to NFL speed. I wouldn’t want to put him behind our current O-line right away. It would give us the rest of this draft and next years draft/FA to shore up the O-line. Keenum seems adept at dealing with a porous o-line.

          • Sparks

            That could be but it would go against what Elway said at the combine (courtesy of RSH)

            “Will the Broncos find their quarterback of the future in free agency or the draft? At this point, the possibilities are wide open, although President of Football Operations/General Manager John Elway wants to “explore all options in free agency and see where that goes,” he said Thursday.

            “All options” include any quarterback not under contract for the 2018 season, Elway said, adding that he is comfortable that the team has enough salary-cap space to sign any quarterback.

            “Believe me, I’m not done swinging and missing,” Elway said, laughing. “Misses don’t bother me. We just have to figure out a way to get it right. That is what we are working on.”

            Denver’s options are not necessarily limited to free agency or the No. 5 pick; the Broncos are “open for business” to trading that selection — “depending on how things fall,” Elway said.

            “Obviously we’ve got the fifth pick in the draft, too,” he said. “That will all play into it. We’ll continue to look at all of the options out there when it comes to quarterback.”

            If the Broncos’ 2018 starter is a veteran free-agent pickup, they won’t have to worry about his readiness for action. If it is a rookie, he has to be “the right kind of guy,” Elway said.

            “Until we really get to know them and get around them a little bit more, it’s hard to say,” he said. “With what I went through [as a rookie in 1983], if you go young, throw them out there and get them going.”
            Having Keenum as a stopgap may change his stance some but I get the impression that regardless of who they get at 5 (QB, G Edge Rusher etc.) he’ll want to throw them out there and see them play.

    • Tim

      It’s beginning to look like the top 4 could be:
      1. Darnold
      2. Rosen
      3. Mayfield
      4. Chubb

      That would make me really sad. I’m just going to keep hoping that Allen goes in the top 4 and pushes one of those four players down to pick 5. Or we trade back if it unfolds like this

      • The Color Orange

        On the Mile High Huddle Podcast that Bob linked yesterday, this was described as the “nightmare scenario.”

        • Sparks

          Really? That’s crazy. Any scenario that has Nelson available to us is not anywhere close to a “nightmare”, IMO.

          • The Color Orange

            The MHH guys are of the mindset that Denver absolutely needs a franchise QB if they’re going to be a playoff contender year in and year out, and this is a golden opportunity to get one. For them, settling for a guard when you’re that close to a QB who could lead your team for the next decade is a nightmare. Not saying whether I agree, just passing it along.

          • Tim

            The question is, can Allen be that guy if the other 3 are off the board? Would they “settle”?

          • royalwithcheese

            I’m torn. It’s not every year you pick in the top 5, with this many quality QBs available. At the same time, Nelson and Barkley would raise the ceiling on what this offense can do next year. Bottom line: unless they pick Allen, I’ll be OK with it.

          • Sparks

            Agree with this. I will say, there are some that I would be more OK with than others.

          • gobroncos

            I’ll be ok with it once I have 2-3 years to reflect on the fact they picked the best player available, bar none.

          • Speaking for myself, I believe the Broncos can get to the playoffs with Keenum, but he’s not the type who will make the Broncos a Super Bowl contender.

            I can tell you that people need to take a closer look at the Vikings offense to see the real differences between theirs and the Broncos.To sum up, here’s how it went.

            RB: Dalvin Cook is the best of any Broncos or Vikings RB, but when he was lost for the season to injury, the Vikings had to rely on Murray/McKinnon, who are comparable to Anderson/Booker.

            WR: Thielen/Diggs are younger than DT/Sanders, but a QB can excel with either pairing. Vikings had better depth, though.

            TE: I don’t think Kyle Rudolph is a game changer, but he was better than any TE the Broncos had last season.

            OL: As a whole unit, the two teams were even — both had average to mediocre lines when their starters were healthy. Individually, Menelik Watson was the worst of any linemen. The guy who played RT for the Vikings had a good season there, but when I tell you that was Mike Remmers, you might be surprised at that. (Remmers did move to guard because of injuries on the line and he struggled with the adjustment.)

            Joe Berger had a quality season at right guard, but so did Ronald Leary. At left tackle, though, Garett Bolles played better overall than Riley Reiff, who was not good at all. Matt Paradis was better at center than Vikings center Pat Elfein. Max Garcia didn’t have a good year at left guard but neither did Vikings left guard Nick Easton. The Vikings put Rashad Hill at right tackle for seven games (several after they moved Remmers to guard) and he was the rough equivalent of Donald Stephenson and Allen Barbre at RT.

            So it’s not exactly true that Keenum was surrounded with better talent in Minnesota. He showed he could play at a high level with proper coaching. The question is what Bill Musgrave and company do with him, along with if Jared Veldheer can be respectable at right tackle (an average season would be fine) and if Jake Butt can play well at tight end.

          • Yahmule

            I think you’re giving the Bronco skill position players the benefit of the doubt in pretty much every comp here. Emmanuel Sanders had a season that can only be described as terrible and he’s 31 now. There’s no guarantee he will bounce back. Defenses actually have to consider Kyle Rudolph in their game plans. The last time the Broncos had a tight end like that, he was named Shannon Sharpe. I think Keenum had far better talent around him last year. To me, the biggest key will be letting him run a high amount of play action where he excelled last season.

          • Tyler

            Are you forgetting Julius Thomas or was that intentional?

          • Yahmule

            Blanked on Julius, who was a one trick pony, but the trick was rather exceptional.

          • Carsonic

            Yep, that’s him in a nutshell.

          • You have a fair point on Sanders. And I did acknowledge Rudolph is better than any Broncos TE last year — but he’s not a game changer. Travis Kelce, Rob Gronkowski and Greg Olsen are game changers — they are comparable to Shannon Sharpe.

            If I was going to compare Rudolph to a Broncos TE, there really isn’t a good one, because Rudolph can block well, whereas Tony Scheffler and Julius Thomas weren’t good at that. Maybe you compare Rudolph to Daniel Graham, though Graham really wasn’t a red-zone threat.

            I’m not joking about the offensive line, though. I’ve watched some of Keenum’s play with the Vikings and I noticed a pattern of him rolling to the right side because he didn’t have good protection on the left side. Reiff was not good last year — that’s all there is to it. Bolles did have issues with pass protection, but in part that’s expected because he was a rookie. Reiff has been around for several seasons and has never been good on the left side.

            I’ll grant that the other linemen who weren’t good for the Vikings last year were young (but keep in mind Remmers played well on the right side, just didn’t do well when he moved to guard), but the truth is, the reason the Vikings didn’t give up that many sacks was because Keenum was rolling out of the pocket frequently and having to avoid pressure. Though the Broncos QBs last year don’t deserve the blame for the struggles that Garcia and Watson had, the truth is their lack of pocket awareness resulted in more sacks than they might have had otherwise.

            If we’re being honest, the real reason we are so hard on the Broncos O-line is because of what we’ve seen at right tackle the past three seasons. I don’t blame anyone for pointing out right tackle, because it has been a major issue. But when you look at those O-linemen returning and if you have optimism for Bolles, Leary and Paradis, that should tell you the line as a whole wasn’t that bad — it was just bad at one position in particular.

            Compare that to the Vikings, with Joe Berger having retired and Mike Remmers the only returning linemen who isn’t considered a question mark.

          • Since my last post was long, I’ll add another thought here.

            I’d say Kyle Rudolph is more comparable to Ben Watson in his prime. Watson has been a quality guy in the past, just not a game changer. That’s all I’m saying regarding Rudolph.

          • royalwithcheese

            This is why, if they don’t go QB at 5, I think three of their first four picks should be OL and playmakers. Something like Nelson, Geisiki, Chubb.

          • Yahmule

            The tight end I’m really starting to take a liking to is Ian Thomas from Indiana. He’ll probably be on the board after Gesicki, Goedert and Hurst are gone. He’s a bit inexperienced, but he’s potentially the best two way TE in the draft.

            https://youtu.be/FFY0G3cU5eU

          • I will say that, from what Erick Treckel has said, Nelson would be the pick if the Broncos can’t get Mayfield or Rosen and don’t get an offer to move down to their liking.

            And before people ask the next question, I can’t say for certain what the Broncos want in return for moving down, but will comment generally that what you should ask for in return depends on how far down the board you move. For example, you’d want slightly more moving to No. 15 with the Cardinals as opposed to moving to No. 12 with the Bills.

          • pubkeeper

            Good analysis. SIde note: this is why I think Hernendez won’t make it out of the first round. Vikings will take him.

        • Tim

          Dream scenario for me:
          1. Allen
          2. Darnold
          3. Mayfield
          4. Chubb
          5. Rosen

      • Russ

        This would mean we get our pick of Barkley or Nelson. I’m very OK with that. Or a trade back or even Denzel Ward or Minkah Fitzpatrick. Really any scenario other than Allen here.

        • Tim

          I just don’t see Barkley or Nelson as serious candidates for the Broncos at 5. I don’t think Elway or Kubiak value them highly enough. I would want a trade back and grab one of James, Ward, or Smith.

          • RSH

            https://scout.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Against-All-Odds-The-Denver-Broncos-Could-End-Up-With-Saquon-Barkley-At-Pick-5-117249675

            Denver’s choices [c]ould realistically come down to three players — Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen, Penn State running back Saquon Barkley, or Notre Dame offensive guard Quenton Nelson.

            For a time, it seemed like a foregone conclusion that even if he wasn’t taken in the top-3, Barkley wouldn’t get past Cleveland at No. 4. But in a QB-driven league, where teams vy for the privilege of either drafting a franchise signal-caller, or getting the guys who can get after said QB, the running back position — even for a phenom like Barkley — could take second (or third) fiddle.

            The Broncos could very well use the fifth overall pick on Allen, but considering the very recent plight the team has suffered at the hands of Paxton Lynch — an incredibly ‘toolsy’ quarterback who needed a lot of time and development at the next level — it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

            Throw in Allen’s ‘awe shux’ attitude and demeanor, which flies counter to the type of fiery spirit Elway is looking for (and felt the Broncos have lacked) at the QB position, and the fact that Case Keenum is under contract for two years, and it seems increasingly unlikely that the former Cowboy would be Denver’s choice in such a scenario.

            As mean and dominant as Quenton Nelson is at the guard position, the choice for Denver at pick No. 5 would have to be Saquon Barkley. No matter how good Nelson might be in the NFL, elite offensive linemen rarely step in and serve as the fuel that’s going to move the needle for a team.

            But as we’ve seen with Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliott and Leonard Fournette over the last few years, an elite running back can tip the scales in the NFL, despite the popular belief that the position has lost it’s value in the modern league, especially early in the Draft.

            Saquon Barkley has the potential to be the next LaDanian Tomlinson, which, in tandem with the Keenum signing and the veteran talent Denver currently has at the skill positions, could catapult the Broncos back into Conference relevance in no time flat.

            Josh Allen could be the next Carson Wentz, but he also has the highest risk of becoming the next Paxton Lynch. With the fifth overall pick, the Broncos can’t roll the dice.

            The Draft card Elway turns has to be for a can’t-miss prospect. Up until recently, I never truly believed Denver would have a realistic shot at Saquon Barkley.

            But it’s becoming more and more likely that he could be there for the Broncos, as the QB-starved teams of the NFL clamor for placement in the top-5. Fans might be pining for a QB early, but if Barkley is on the board at pick No. 5, Elway should run to the podium and Broncos Country should thank the Football Gods.
            The Draft card Elway turns has to be for a can’t-miss prospect. Up until recently, I never truly believed Denver would have a realistic shot at Saquon Barkley.

            But it’s becoming more and more likely that he could be there for the Broncos, as the QB-starved teams of the NFL clamor for placement in the top-5. Fans might be pining for a QB early, but if Barkley is on the board at pick No. 5, Elway should run to the podium and Broncos Country should thank the Football Gods.

          • gobroncos

            The thing is, we’ve got Keenum for 2 years. Then we’ll either have to re-sign him, or let him go. Most likely scenario is he’ll play well, but not well enough to extend for any significant length of time. So in two years we’ll be back to where we were at the beginning of this FA.

            Long term, it makes more sense to go for one of the QB’s provided the one we want drops to us. That’s why we signed Keenum for only 2 years. He’s a bridge. He’s a journeyman. Vikes got lucky with him last year. I don’t trust VJ to utilize him as well as the Vikes did.

            I flip flop back and forth between wanting to pick a QB, (probably Rosen or Mayfield would be my ideal picks) or giving Keenum a shot while upgrading other aspects of our team that so desperately need upgrading (ILB, G, RT, RB, DT, CB).

          • cjfarls

            If Rosen/Darnold drop to us, I think I lean strongly to taking them. They seem like the type of prospects that almost never fall out of the top-5, so letting them go would be tough… I hope to never have the opportunity to get them again in the near future. They certainly have some flags, but they have relatively high floors and very high cielings.

            Mayfield – probably yes also… but I can see if DEN’s scouts think he has flags and want to go another way for a generational G/RB or passrusher. He still seems like a solid top-10 pick, but not a top-3 pick like Darnold/Rosen. Lets say he’s the same quality as Mariota / Winston – is that enough a QB-benefit over Keenum to justify passing on Nelson/Barkley/Chubb? I can see the answer being “no”, even if he did become our franchise QB for 5+ years. In absence of Keenum we’d be happy to grab him, but the opportunity cost is huge.

            I only want LJ/Allen if we move back. Those seem like pretty typical 1st round QB picks, but not the exclusively top-5/top-10 guys. Similarly risky prospects seem to be routinely available in the 10-20 range every year, so they would be a waste of a top-10 pick IMO. Happy to grab one if the team thinks they are worth the risk, but I’d want to hedge that risk with the move back,

      • gobroncos

        If Giants take Chubb, then most likely, Mayfield or Rosen would fall to us. Provided the Browns don’t trade back with someone that wants a QB.

      • BlackKnigh

        You may be onto something here. As I was reading this at 2:45 am Friday the 13th – I am thinking these 3 QBs could be gone and Chubb at #4. If that is the case – I hope Denver upgrades their OL mightily with Nelson.

        After reading the comment by RSH below from Scout – I have to disagree. Even though Elway likes RBs – he remembers how Denver had 1000 yard rushers year after year with RBs who didn’t have gaudy numbers otherwise. It was because of those 5 guys with the big butts in front of them.

  • RSH
  • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      Chubb will be a Giant or Brown.

      • Sparks

        Unfortunately this.

    • Tyler

      Not that long ago it was Miller giving out quotes like this when asked about playing with Doom and Ware.

    • Yahmule

      I don’t think the Broncos are performing due diligence if they don’t bring in Chubb, Nelson and Barkley for interviews.

      • RSH

        The Broncos formally met with Barkley in early March. https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/970057980287778817

        They may have met with Bradley Chubb informally as well. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/video/bradley-chubb-i-was-star-struck-shaking-denver-broncos-gm-john/1v1o790ruf8wf12g7y4ugnrq2y. I am digging around to see what their contact has been with Quenton Nelson.

        • The Color Orange

          MHR maintains a Draft Interest Database that charts where all the contacts were made, and Nelson is not on the list.

          https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/3/6/17086830/2018-broncos-draft-interest-tracker

          • Yahmule

            BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

          • Sparks

            It’s all subterfuge. At least that’s what I keep telling myself.

          • RSH

            If we select Nelson, I will be elated for the many reasons that we have discussed at length here. Additionally, selecting Nelson would be evidence that the Broncos successfully upped their smokescreen game and executed a complete 180 with respect to telegraphing their first round selections.

          • RSH

            Thanks, Orange! It looks like that database needs to be updated some.

      • gobroncos

        This is their off year for reverse psychology. Last year they projected they’d go for Bolles, and they did. This year, it’s the opposite. They’ll not show any interest in the players they WANT to fall to them at 5. Don’t want anybody jumping ahead of them to take that player.

        QB’s are kinda out of this philosophy as everyone knows the Broncos would like a young QB but there’s so many of them that which one they like best can be hidden by bringing them all in.

  • The Color Orange
    • royalwithcheese

      Please no. Nononononono.

    • The 5th Amigo

      I wish i could downvote this twice.

    • Benjamin Albright has said several times on Twitter that he wouldn’t be surprised if the Chargers take Jackson. If the Patriots are serious about him, they may have to move up the board.

      • QDoc

        If only the Pats had the ammo to do tha…. oh, wait. Shit.

      • royalwithcheese

        Bob, have the Broncos shown any interest in Jackson?

        • Not much. If they miss out on Mayfield or Rosen, they will likely wait until much later in the draft to take a QB.

          • royalwithcheese

            Thanks.

  • Nick
    • Yahmule

      He plays 3/4 of his snaps from the slot, so that’s what I consider him.

  • RSH

    Any advice for Sam Darnold or Josh Allen, Mr. Couch?

    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/984440662920781824

    • Laces Out

      Yeah, don’t suck at football

  • Laces Out
    • The Color Orange

      Sounds like he’s hearing exactly what Bob is hearing. Denver will stay at 5 and see which QB falls. If it’s one they want, they’ll take him. If it’s one they don’t, they’ll be open to trading back.

      • Laces Out

        Yep and that could probably pay off handsomely if we move back especially if QB’s go 1 2 3…

        My instinct thinks Denver’s going to take Mayfield if he’s there

        • Nick

          What if they trade the pick to someone like the Bills who use it on Josh Allen?

          • Laces Out

            That’s the Doomsday scenario for me Nick you know that. That will be the day known that the bills fleece the Broncos for their franchise QB of 10 + years while we settled for Keenum? I don’t think so.

            I happen to also personally believe if Allen is there they will take him at 5 I just think that is highly, highly, highly, unlikely he will be.

            I should add I don’t think Vance Joseph is going to be here for the Long Haul I do think Elway will be

    • pubkeeper

      I can’t even imagine trading back a few spots and still getting Nelson….

      Also agree with the notion of late first round picks lacking value this year.

  • Nick
    • The Color Orange
      • Tyler

        Wow, if that’s true he should be out of the league. Glad he’s not our problem.

    • RSH

      I will let the judicial process play out, but more and more reasons may be coming to light as to why Foster fell so far in last year’s draft and why like many teams, the Broncos passed.

      • The Color Orange
        • Yahmule

          I wanted no part of him due to his chronic shoulder problem, but really lost all interest after this bullshit. And the people walking around saying, “He’s a linebacker, what do you want?” were tools then and they’re tools now.

        • Laces Out

          Wow forgot about that… I wasn’t crazy about him or anything but that was a nice foreshadowing moment

    • Tim

      I really wanted the Broncos to draft him last year. Damn glad we didn’t, what a horrible story

    • One only needs to go through the Twitter files to see how many people scolded the Broncos for passing on Reuben Foster to select Garett Bolles.

      For those people, this one’s for you.

      https://i2.wp.com/www.pinnacleleadership.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/EatCrow.gif?fit=561%2C490&ssl=1

      • ElwayIsGod7

        #NeverUpdyke

    • Nick

      It’ll be interesting to see what they do with him with the first offseason workouts coming next week.

      https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/984476555907862528

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Boy, do I feel stupid for getting so pissed when we passed on this guy.

  • Nick

    Want to get some clues as to who the Broncos could draft in 2018? Be sure to look to 2019.

    https://in-thinair.com/2018/04/12/what-could-2019-tell-us-about-the-broncos-2018-nfl-draft/

  • Yahmule

    Further evidence that Captain America is a hero.

    April 11, 2018

    • Laces Out

      That is Grade A fuckin cool

      • gobroncos

        Except that he’s a patriots fan. I lost all respect for that guy. This maybe ups him a notch or two, but overall still a douche.

        • Laces Out

          Touche touche amigo

    • VonSwenson

      That actually makes me cry

  • The Color Orange

    I’m not sure how much lower on the reliability scale you can go than Walter Football reporting something based on an anonymous tip from a “facebook friend.”

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2018trade06.php

  • royalwithcheese

    Quite a few nuggets in this story from Klis. https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/984479327696764928?s=21

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      I’d be pissed if Rosen was available at 5 and they traded back.

      • The Color Orange

        Especially for the asinine reason stated by Klis. The fact that Rosen is NFL ready is a reason NOT to draft him? Good god. Haven’t the Broncos been burned enough by project QBs?

      • Paco Alonzo

        I would be ecstatic if they passed on the douche bag.

        • RSH

          Interesting. I ask in all seriousness, what about Rosen drives you away from selecting him?

          • royalwithcheese

            I’d be fine with it, but his concussion history scares me. So does injury to his throwing shoulder.

          • Paco Alonzo

            All his off the field BS he pulled while playing at UCLA. One thing after another, got tired of hearing about it on every sports talk. Comes off as a self entitled child. I also worry he doesn’t have the drive or health to compete.

  • Nick
    • Nick

      On the air, Schefter said that “postponed” could be construed as “cancelled”.

    • Yahmule

      Why do teams keep thinking he’s going to put his integrity on sale?

      • Clockwork Orange

        Because they really, really want to be able to say they broke him and made him fall in line.

        • Yahmule

          For a minute, I thought maybe they were trying to reclaim the fans they alienated by jettisoning every black guy on the team with opinions, but you’re probably closer to the mark.

      • MattR

        I was going to ask why teams keep giving him more ammunition in his lawsuit. Pretty sure Seattle’s executives are gonna be hit with subpoenas pretty soon forcing them to explain why his decision to kneel caused them to “postpone” his visit.

        • Yahmule

          Very true.

        • Hank Mardukis

          I hope Kaepernick takes the league to the cleaners with his lawsuit.

    • Nick
      • T. Jensen

        that makes more sense. Whatever your stance is on the kneeling debate there is no question that Kaep’s actions either to kneel or not to kneel are going to cause media issues. I mean the dude hasn’t even worked out for them and is already causing issues. I’d want to know what his intentions were so I could prepare for the media response regardless of what he does.

      • MattR

        By “handle everything” don’t they essentially mean the kneeling?

      • JohnE

        Well, Kaep sure won’t be getting any more workout requests after this. Regardless of anyone’s stance on kneeling during the anthem, teams getting this much publicity just for a workout request…as bad or worse than Tebow’s media draw.

      • Andrew

        Bradley posted earlier a similar story of the Bengals doing this to Eric Reid. Apparantly kneeling is the only thing bad enough to keep you out of the league. Ray Lewis at minimum obstructed justice to help his friends get out of murder if he wasn’t more directly involved then that and he’s a “hero.” Not to mention the countless woman abusers and drunk drivers in the league.

        • Tim

          I have a hard time seeing Ray Lewis and hero in the same sentence, even with the quotes added. I really wish he would just go away for good

  • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      Jones would be a great get. I have concerns about Chark, especially as a second round selection.

      • Sparks

        What are you Chark concerns? Not saying I disagree but was curious to your thoughts?

        • RSH

          While Chark is a burner, he seems limited as a route runner, in tracking passes, and in physicality. I would rather spend a second round selection on more of an impact player.

          • Sparks

            Good points. He did avg 10.6 yds on punt returns last year and avd 21.9 yds per catch. I agree 2 may be too high but if he falls, to 4+, I wouldn’t mind seeing what he could do. Like a better MacKenzie.

            https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dj-chark-1.html

          • royalwithcheese

            Guys that fast don’t last. He’ll go early second, if he doesn’t sneak into the first.

          • Sparks

            You’re right. I knew he was fast but had forgotten he was the fastest receiver at the combine, as well as the best vert and broad jumper. Someone will take him by Rd 2, but I agree with RSH, and would prefer it not be us.

            http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/d.j.-chark?id=2559915

          • Yahmule

            He should be a lot further along as senior in a program that has developed a lot of NFL receivers. I think his transition to the NFL might not be a smooth one.

          • Chark needs to keep moving or he dies, I hear.

            (We’re gonna need a bigger boat.)

          • gnasses

            Now this discussion has really jumped the Chark.

          • happy days aren’t here again? Sorry about that.

          • Yahmule

            Might also have some off the field issues for devouring that little Kitner boy.

            https://youtu.be/OzewQ66gsSc

          • Yahmule

            1:19: the fast close up Chief Brody as the camera is simultaneously dollying backward. Just one of the many things that made this one of the most influential movies of all time.

        • The Color Orange

          One write-up I saw compared him to Ashley Lelie.

          • Sparks

            Say no more….I’m out.

          • pubkeeper

            Wow, that is vicious. Did he go after your sister or something?

  • RSH

    We’re two weeks away from the 2018 NFL Draft, and I just learned that I will be a bachelor from Thursday, Apr. 26 through Monday, Apr. 30, as my wife and daughters will be out-of-town to attend and celebrate my wife’s youngest brother’s college graduation. I should really nerd out and create my own war room that weekend. 🙂

    • The Color Orange

      You just hit the jackpot.

    • Sparks

      She’s not forcing you to attend the ceremonies?

      • RSH

        I am out of vacation days at work until Memorial Day Weekend. 🙂

        • Paco Alonzo

          wink wink

        • Sparks

          You sneaky dog. Well, didn’t that work out nicely for you?? Gee honey, you know I’d love to go see that while the NFL Draft is on but ngosh-darnit, I’m plum out of Vaca days. 🙂

          • RSH

            I missed most of last year’s draft due to my paternal grandmother’s ninetieth birthday bash. The celebration was fun, and I am very glad that I attended.

        • Rob Rooney

          Coincidences take a lot of planning….

    • ohiobronco

      When should we all plan to show up?

    • T. Jensen

      I’ve got a ticket to the outside events in Dallas. Not sure If I’ll get in to the actual draft yet. Supposed to be notified soon. If I do I’m going Thurs-Sat. If not I’ll probably hang out outside the stadium in Dallas. Come join me.

      • RSH

        Thin Air’s eyes and ears on the ground, T. Jensen.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      I’m envious. I really need a weekend like that. Live it.

  • RSH
    • T. Jensen

      that’s awesome. That Atwater play is in my top 5 all time Broncos plays.

      • VonSwenson

        True. At the top is TD’s amazing special teams tackle (even if it was preseason), second is Elway’s SB “helicopter”, and for me Rod Smith’s first pass reception (43 yard touchdown walk-off game winner) is #3.

        • bradley

          McCaffrey’s block on the Packer in SB 32?

          • VonSwenson

            Yeah, and maybe Von’s first strip sack in SB 50.

        • Alaskan

          I watched Rod’s game at a bar in the Denver airport.
          The place went crazy.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Starting your career with a play like that, gives you the confidence you need to be a superstar.

  • RSH
    • Steven_Searls

      Prefer the second one.

      • Rob Rooney

        Me too. Unfortunately they don’t make that exact hat with an adjustable back, which is what I prefer.

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Diversifying his suspension game.

  • As I continue to ponder what I will do with my mock draft, whether it’s “what I would do at each pick” or “simulate based on what teams need and are looking at,” I will allow you all to debate my thoughts on what I would do with the No. 5 pick if I were the Broncos.

    1. If Baker Mayfield is there at No. 5, take him.
    2. If not, take Josh Rosen if he is there.
    2b. I don’t believe Sam Darnold will be there, so I’m not including him.
    3. If both Mayfield or Rosen are gone and Josh Allen is still there, talk to the Bills about a trade down. I’d ask for the No. 12 and No. 19 picks in the first round, plus their No. 53 pick (second round) and a second-round pick in 2019. If the Bills are willing to, say, take Menelik Watson and his salary off our hands, I will lower the second-round picks to No. 65 (third round) and a third-round pick in 2019. Then at No. 12, target Tremaine Edwards, and at No. 19, target Will Hernandez.
    4. If the Bills already traded up, consider other offers to trade back a few spots. I’d be fine moving a couple of spots back with the Bears or Buccaneers if it means picking up a couple extra picks. I’d want at least three picks in addition to the first rounder, though, and one of them needs to be at least a 2018 third rounder. Might mean Quenton Nelson is gone, but you could consider Roquan Smith or Denzel Ward and focus on other needs in later rounds.
    5. If no offers to move back are good, then Quenton Nelson should be there at No. 5. Take him.
    5b. However, if for some odd reason Bradley Chubb is still there, I’d have to give him strong consideration. The only way I see that happening, though, is if the Giants pass on Chubb and the Browns unexpectedly swap spots with the Bears because the Bears like Nelson that much.

    • VonSwenson

      Yeah, that’s what I would do, pretty much exactly. Much as the Broncos need help on the offensive line, and notwithstanding the boost another great edge rusher would give, the chance of getting a premium QB is so rare that I think it’s worth a gamble. For those two only.

    • RSH

      I really like your third scenario. Do you think the Broncos will be able to resist selecting Saquon Barkley if he is available at No. 5?

    • Carsonic

      My order would be 5, 3, 5b, 1, 4, 2. But I have what are probably unreasonably high expectations for our boy, Case. So my alternate order is 5, 1, 3, 5b, 2, 4.

    • The Color Orange

      Do you think it would make sense to get Buffalo’s first rounder next year instead of both of their first rounders this year? If we miss out on a franchise QB in this draft, wouldn’t it be preferable to have the two first rounders next year than this year?

    • Laces Out

      When I think of Mayfield I think of Mark Sanchez he was a flash-in-the-pan gamer when he came out then what happened?

      Rosen is brittle and was throwing game losing six pixes to Memphis…

      Darnold will likely be long gone… as well as Allen…

      Of the top four teams they will not be able to resist both Barkley AND Chubb…

      At this point I think Denver is sitting very pretty because the cost to move up will become usually inflated when you add in desperation at number 5 and I don’t think quarterbacks are going to go 1 through 4.

      What we do know is the Jets will take a quarterback.

      We also know the Browns will take a quarterback.

      Rosen will be there. One of Barkley or nelson or chubb will be there…

      Mark my words gentleman if Josh Allen is there at number five he will be a Denver Bronco

      • G Mik

        I disagree on Allen. If what Bob says is true and Kubiak doesn’t believe in Allen, he won’t be drafted by the Broncos (as you said, if he’s there).

        • Laces Out

          Yeah I remember Bob’s comments the other day and with all due respect to Bob and his excellent contribution, I find it really hard to believe pretty much anything the media is putting out around now I especially think Denver would be smart enough to put out plenty of we love other players then putting out who they actually do love..

          I would be less surprised if Allen was available at number two that we already don’t have agreement in place with the Giants. An area I need to look at to make a better projection is the draft history of people like gettleman who I believe is not a big Trader I think I saw something like that somewhere and also who Dorsey drafted in Kansas City…

          I won’t ever be convinced that Kubiak doesn’t love Allen for the simple fact that the two biggest traits he has that mimic John Elway’s are the big arm and the excellent pocket scrambling ability

          • G Mik

            All excellent points. It’s fair to say that mixed messages SHOULD be coming out of the FO to the media right now and that includes anything Kubiak may or may not believe. We simply don’t know. But I’ll stand by the contention that if Kubes doesn’t like Allen he won’t be drafted.

            I’m with you that Allen has just as good of a shot of being the best QB in this class as any of the other top QBs in this class. Many want to dismiss the offense he was in as lowering his comp % but fewer bubble screens means fewer easy completions. Further, a prostyle offense will also help the transition in preparing him for the NFL. I tend to believe Rosen is the most pro ready but there is no reason to think Allen can’t be the best with a little experience. I know everyone is rooting for the kid but there are some pretty strong opinions and I just don’t agree with all of the negativity.

      • VonSwenson

        You can’t be the real “Laces Out” – there was no swearing in that post.

        • Laces Out

          I noticed lately none of you guys swear in the offseason… As I’ve explained to Nick there are studies that support the honesty factor with people who cuss regularly. Most of mine is just talk text though I must have typed that last one 🙂

          I know Kwash stupid ass would have been disappointed though as he likes to see my drunk after the game guy talk…

      • gnasses

        Sanchez? Really?

        He played basically one 8 games season and one full year at USC and if you place much value in stats they don’t really compare. I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.

        • Laces Out

          I’m talking about in the pros man

    • gnasses

      This aligns very closely with my thinking, and I am good with any of Mayfield/Rosen/Barkley/Chubb at 5 or grudgingly acceptable to a trade back scenario a few spots.

      My distinction is that like TCO if we don’t take a QB in the 1st this year, I would want a 2019 1st rnd pick back (even if we give up say a 3rd or 4th back) to move down more than a spot or three so we have ammo to move up next year for a QB if desired. I have not mapped it out all that well, but somehow have an inkling the demand for QB may be less next year. Maybe that’s wishful thinking.

  • Yahmule

    We’re living in The Onion.

    April 12, 2018

    • bradley

      So what are you saying? We should all be totally disarmed like sheep?

      • Yahmule

        “So what are you saying? We should all be totally disarmed like sheep?”

        No, I’m soliciting requests for the most ridiculous straw man argument possible and I’m closing submissions right now because nobody could top that ignorant post.

        • bradley

          It’s not a straw man argument since I asked a question.
          Which you chose not to answer.

          • Yahmule

            I chose not to answer for a couple of reasons. First, I’m stunned that the you didn’t even acknowledge the absurdity of stopping bullets with eight ounce sticks of wood, but you also wanted to put a gun in every classroom in America, so I realized your comment wasn’t sardonic, but serious. Second, your questions frame the very definition of a straw man argument. To wit, People who want common sense gun laws = they’re gonna take all our guns away and leave us defenseless. It’s so tedious to have a discussion with someone who resorts to dissembling with their first sentence.

          • bradley

            “I’m stunned that the you didn’t even acknowledge the absurdity of stopping bullets with eight ounce sticks of wood…”
            If kids in a school are confronted with a shooter, any weapon they can use would be better than nothing.
            And puhleeze don’t put words in my or anyone elses mouth – no one is talking about stopping bullets with wood.

            “…but you also wanted to put a gun in every classroom in America,”
            I’ve never said that. You are making the straw man argument here.

            “…common sense gun laws…”
            Like what? I hear that all the time but it’s all anybody says.
            So I repeat – like what?

          • Laces Out

            Dont put anything…in anybodys mouths in here dudes…

          • Jason

            What is a common sense gun law? I don’t really know.

            Does making it harder to get meth precursors lessen the use of it? Doesn’t appear to.

            A gun is a tool. Honestly, I fear the day when these folks realize guns aren’t all that effective and begin using explosives a la McVeigh.

            You can’t sterilize society.

          • Alaskan

            Assault weapons, giant clips, bumper stocks, for starters.
            I grew up with guns and you cannot convince me anybody needs these.
            You can tell me Remington makes a fine assortment of semi- autos.
            But I cannot remember an actual hunting rifle being used by one of these nuts.

          • bradley

            You’re forgetting or ignoring the 2nd Amendment which guarantees citizens the right to be armed in order to resist oppression from the government. This was a huge issue when the proponents of the Constitution were lobbying to get it passed.
            The fact that an AR 15 is not often used for hunting is irrelevant.

            “While both James Monroe and John Adams supported the Constitution being ratified, its most influential framer was James Madison. In Federalist No. 46, Madison wrote how a federal army could be kept in check by state militias, “a standing army … would be opposed [by] a militia.” He argued that state militias “would be able to repel the danger” of a federal army, “It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

          • Alaskan

            So, do you think everybody has a right to own a tank or a flamethrower?

          • bradley

            When the Constitution was ratified, the only firearms were muzzle loaders and all Americans were guaranteed the right to possess them to have equal firepower with a Federal army.
            As weaponry advanced, the Constitution guarantees us the right to have advanced weaponry, just like the military.
            So, the answer to your question is Yes.
            You either support the Constitution or you don’t. You can’t be saying that this part or that part gives me some apprehension so let’s just ignore it.

          • gobroncos

            Citizens aren’t allowed the use of tanks or F-16 fighter jets or smart bombs or aircraft carriers. It also spoke of a well regulated militia, which none of these yahoo’s with guns are well regulated.

            When the constitution was written the concepts of modern weaponry wasn’t considered. It’s completely different. The internet wasn’t around either does that mean we’re not allowed to use it? The constitution was designed to be modified. The way our current political system works, the need for a well regulated militia to guard against the tyranny of government is obsolete. They actually did a pretty good job of creating a system of checks and balances that would prevent any kind of tyrannical government from forming. As much as I hate Trump, I know that in another 2-1/2 years we’ll be able to vote him out. Or if he gets re-elected (heaven forbid), he’ll be done in 4 years after that. Then we can all get back to making this world a better place to live.

          • bradley

            “The constitution was designed to be modified. ”
            So modify it. Don’t ignore it.

            As for Trump being gone in 2 or 6 years – are you sure someone even worse won’t succeed him?

          • Yahmule

            “…but you also wanted to put a gun in every classroom in America,”
            I’ve never said that. You are making the straw man argument here.

            No, that’s actually one of your stupid quotes. You made that declaration after Newtown when all you could think about was losing your guns like some brainwashed fool. Let’s make a rule that when you’re posting, both of us have to pay attention.

            “…common sense gun laws…”
            Like what? I hear that all the time but it’s all anybody says.
            So I repeat – like what?

            Like the gun show loophole. Like selling guns to people with mental problems. I’m not going to have this conversation with you. It’s fucking pointless and you don’t have the integrity to discuss it honestly.

          • bradley

            “No, that’s actually one of your stupid quotes. ”
            I never said that. I do think it would be good to have some deterrent firepower in schools, but it would have to be carefully planned.

            The “gun show loophole” has been closed. To buy a gun at a gun show, a buyer now has to undergo the same background check as he would have to at a store.

            How are you going to define “mental problems”? Who is going to do the defining?

          • gobroncos

            Easy, any registered republican clearly has a mental problem. Done.

          • bradley

            I don’t think Harris and Klebold were registered republicans,

          • gobroncos

            Common sense gun laws:

            1. Requiring background checks on all purchases with a 1 month waiting period.
            2. Requiring registration and insurance for all guns. Failure to have insurance results in a fine and loss of gun rights when caught with a gun without registration and insurance and loss of guns.
            3. All guns purchased from here on out require having trigger locks and barrel locks, both a requirement for storing and transporting weapons. Weapons found stored or in transit without the use of both these items result in loss of gun rights and guns taken away.
            4. All guns purchased today require fingerprint ID or palm print ID operation requirement. Provide program for current gun owners to bring in their old guns to have them outfitted with fingerprint/palm operation or have them replaced.
            5. Each time a gun is purchased the owner and their immediate family or anyone living in the house with them must go through firearm safety course and testing. This can be done during the 1 month waiting period.
            6. Increase taxes on firearms to pay for gun related programs, such as implementation of agency licensing, registration and insurance, return and replace guns with fingerprint or palm operation program, etc.
            7. Requiring proof of gun safe (which meets certain gov’t standards) when purchasing guns. Proof would include permit for installation of approved gun safe with inspection by local agency or registration/proof of purchase. Could be installed during the 1 month waiting period if one does not already own one. Being caught with guns not in the safe when not in use would result in fine and loss of gun rights and guns being taken away.
            8. Any gun used in a crime who’s owner was a first or second degree acquaintance, then the gun owner shares responsibility and is fined.

            These common sense gun laws aren’t about taking away guns or taking away rights. You could have allowances for 1st and even 2nd offenders so guns don’t get taken away. They’re about the culture of guns of which right now we’re too lackadaisical. I guarantee that within a generation of these kinds of laws being enacted, people and their families would have a newfound respect for guns. Laws can’t stop all violence, but if you find the right way to deter people from allowing certain kinds of violence to happen, you can reduce the occurrence.

            This cost would also go to help the victims of families. Just like car insurance.You hit someone, then you pay their medical bills and damage to property. Your gun shoots someone, then you pay for their medical bills and damage to property, or compensation to the family for loss of life.

            Obviously these are conceptual and I’m sure certain aspects of them would need adjusting, but the basic concepts are there:

            Use of Gun locks
            Proper gun storage
            Use of current technology for fingerprint ID or palm grip ID operation
            Firearm Safety and Awareness by all in the household
            Firearm ownership responsibility and accountability

          • bradley

            Jesus Christ. You’re really into government control aren’t you.
            None of this is common sense.

    • MattR

      Can we take bets on which happens first – one of those bats is used to stop a school shooter or one of those bats is used on a random student by a frustrated teacher?

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Oh my. When I saw the post, I didnt look at the picture and originally mistook bats for Bats! Yahmule did mention The Onion, after all, so I was imagining some teacher saying “Release the Bats!” Now, you’d need thousands of bats to have any hope here, and wow, that would sure be a tough and loud job caring for them. But sure, I guess 2 or 3000 bats coming down a hallway would be disruptive to any shooter. Probably better than rocks.

        • Yahmule

          He would undoubtedly slip on the collected guano in the hallways.

    • Tim

      How many professions are asked to carry a weapon in a potential combat situation with zero training?

      I teach high school at a high poverty, high risk school, and I just can’t see how this would work.

      • Yahmule

        Anybody with a ounce of common sense knows it’s a recipe for disaster. Ask Big Brad for details on how to implement this NRA wet dream.

    • Nick

      When I read this yesterday I ended up with this song stuck in my head:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUGeA2lur4

      • Laces Out

        Cool points assigned Nick…

    • Laces Out

      The main reason this is a bad idea is that it assigns an educator the undo responsibility to protect children from people with weapons.

      Besides that it’s fucking comical to think that a bat would do anything… much less the souvenir bat from the fucking baseball game.

      Somebody will be apologizing or getting fired for that I’m sure in short order or resigning as per usual with said media pressure.

      What we need is more education about what is happening with the attendees of the school and more involvement with the parents because almost all of those horrific school shootings come with massive red flags and huge amounts of foreshadowing that seem to be if not entirely preventable then partially.

      • bradley

        “…almost all of those horrific school shootings come with massive red flags and huge amounts of foreshadowing…”
        Yes, but sadly much of that is more clear in hind sight.

        • Laces Out

          Touche… it’s an overall terrible situation.

          I can’t really believe that it’s become what it has. That level of Blended cowardness and hate is hard for me to imagine

        • Tim

          Very true. There are so many red flags in a given school year but 99.9% of them do not result in school shootings. It’s near impossible to separate the .01% out.

          And that’s not even to account for the lack of resources schools have for mental health.

          • Laces Out

            The thing is the parents only have to monitor a small portion of those kids. If you don’t know that is going on with your kids, in my mind, it means you’re just not as closely involved with what your kids are doing as you could be. The parents have to be the ones that accept the responsibility to eliminate these events. It’s not the school’s responsibility to see those red flags as much as it is the parents.

          • Tim

            Reading this made my day. Thank you, it’s very refreshing to hear that parents need to be doing more and it’s not just the school’s fault.

          • Laces Out

            I definitely believe parental involvement is the number one deterrent

          • bradley

            A lot of parents are mindless, abusive assholes.
            But the parents of Harris and Klebold were pretty good parents by all accounts.

          • Laces Out

            Yeah and you have to have some sympathy for the parents at the same time because they obviously could never really imagine their child could do something like that but regardless of them being good people or well-off or fine themselves it’s still exposes an absence of involvement or neglect toward an issue of conflict. I mean those kids were walking around in Black Mafia gear on a regular basis

          • bradley

            ” it still exposes an absence of involvement or neglect toward an issue of conflict. I mean those kids were walking around in Black Mafia gear on a regular basis…”
            I think you’re right. Parents, even the good ones, are too involved with their own functions and don’t really pay attention to their kids, or when they do it’s through rose colored glasses.
            It’s a different world now, but when I and my three brothers and sister grew up (in the 40’s – 60’s) my parents were too busy working hard to pay much attention to what us kids were doing. But when we did fuck up we got hell for it. Verbal hell only, and if it happened we knew it was deserved.
            But like I said, it was a much different world then and we all turned out OK.
            Something was terribly wrond in the Harris and Klebold homes. One of my nephews was a student at Columbine and very close to the shooting so I paid some attention to it.

          • Laces Out

            Yeah I was at my kids running event today and over 50% of the parents there just stared their phones like fucking mummies… not to mention there was probably 115 kids if participating and only about 15 parents were there including my wife myself…

            You see when you have to constantly advertise yourself on Facebook as a happy person it can be a little distracting. I’m not trying to sound judgemental but it’s fairly obvious there is an elevated level of distraction among all humans.

            I was on my off-hour when that shooting happened in actually about four or five of my friends were going out with girls from Columbine so we all thought our friends were over there causing a fight when it occurred… my best friend at the time a dude named Gary, is on the front page of the newspaper the next day is he was over there to go meet his girlfriend thinking something that happened so it definitely hit a little close to home cuz I was actually a student at the time and that high school was just about 2 miles away from ours. We had a pretty big rivalry with them at the time over the ladies in town. To find out it was those two was completely blindsiding for obviously everybody… it just wasn’t something that I ever imagined as even possible.

            Believe it or not, in America when the event gets serious enough we usually do Unite.

          • bradley

            ” I’m not trying to sound judgemental but it’s fairly obvious there is an elevated level of distraction among all humans.”
            Yes, and that’s a result of many things: One, our expanded knowledge of the universe and what it is and our place in it is totally blowing the lid off all of humanity’s ages old conception of what’s what. And it’s causing a slow but sure collective mind blow.
            Two, all the com toys that cause a huge disconnect between people.
            Three. All the other bullshit out there.
            I don’t see a way to end the mass shootings. Mindlessly calling for “common sense gun laws” is not going to help with this.

          • Yahmule

            You think I’m mindless because you’re brainwashed and weak.

          • bradley

            “…cuz I was actually a student at the time and that high school was just about 2 miles away from ours.”
            Were you at the HS that took in the Columbine students for the rest of the year, while Columbine was shut down?

          • Laces Out

            Only a few not the majority…there a 4 HS in the area…i dont remember who took in the most.

          • Alaskan

            Despite your occasionally overly casual use of profanity, you are a really smart person.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Despite your occasionally overly casual use of profanity, Love for Josh Allen, you are a really smart person.
            ;~)

          • Alaskan

            Yeah, I can go with that one too.

          • Laces Out

            Alaskan, cheers brother!