• bradley

    Steve Palazzolo: Hidden Gems – most underrated players in the 2018 NFL Draft

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-hidden-gems-underrated-prospects-in-the-draft

  • bradley

    Marquette King laments Jon Gruden not speaking to him: ‘I can be a zombie if you want me to’

    https://sports.yahoo.com/marquette-king-laments-jon-gruden-not-speaking-can-zombie-want-042557712.html?src=rss

    “It would have been different if I had a bad year, but I had a good year and I didn’t do anything wrong,” King told Trotter. “I didn’t break the law or do any domestic violence or hurt people or disrespect people. I’m looking forward to helping Denver, but I do have a huge chip on my shoulder. It’s going to be fun to play the Raiders twice a year.”

    • Carsonic

      What do you want to bet Gruden picks up Dixon?

      • bradley

        Brilliant! (I hate it!)

  • bradley

    Report: New York Giants like Sam Darnold, not Josh Rosen for No. 2 pick

    https://sports.yahoo.com/report-new-york-giants-like-sam-darnold-not-josh-rosen-no-2-pick-012230003.html?src=rss

    “Though it is widely believed that the Cleveland Browns — who hold the top pick — are going to select either Allen or Darnold. Then if Darnold is still available, per the NFL talent evaluator, he’s going to the Giants.

    “If Darnold ends up going to Cleveland, the Giants are already working on a backup plan.

    “Their top three choices are Darnold, Saquan Barkley and Bradley Chubb,” the evaluator said. “They are debating Barkley vs. Chubb, because they need an edge rusher but the scouts love Barkley.”

    • ohiobronco

      If Allen and one non-QB go in the top 4 then it will leave at least one of Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold on the board and that would be hard to pass up.

      • pubkeeper

        This would be ideal to me.

      • RSH

        Based on John Elway’s comments at the Combine, this would present quite the dynamic with Case Keenum.

        https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/969278872465346563

        Will the Broncos find their quarterback of the future in free agency or the draft? At this point, the possibilities are wide open, although President of Football Operations/General Manager John Elway wants to “explore all options in free agency and see where that goes,” he said Thursday.

        “All options” include any quarterback not under contract for the 2018 season, Elway said, adding that he is comfortable that the team has enough salary-cap space to sign any quarterback.

        “Believe me, I’m not done swinging and missing,” Elway said, laughing. “Misses don’t bother me. We just have to figure out a way to get it right. That is what we are working on.”

        Denver’s options are not necessarily limited to free agency or the No. 5 pick; the Broncos are “open for business” to trading that selection — “depending on how things fall,” Elway said.

        “Obviously we’ve got the fifth pick in the draft, too,” he said. “That will all play into it. We’ll continue to look at all of the options out there when it comes to quarterback.”

        If the Broncos’ 2018 starter is a veteran free-agent pickup, they won’t have to worry about his readiness for action. If it is a rookie, he has to be “the right kind of guy,” Elway said.

        “Until we really get to know them and get around them a little bit more, it’s hard to say,” he said. “With what I went through [as a rookie in 1983], if you go young, throw them out there and get them going.”

        • ohiobronco

          Complete non-issue IMO. Keenum goes into the season as the unquestioned starter. The rookie comes in either mid-season or at the start or 2019 as circumstances dictate. It’s the cleanest and smoothest way to break in a new QB.

          • RSH

            Except for Elway’s comment on having a rookie play right away this time around.

          • ohiobronco

            I took that as more he was open to it than he would absolutely want to do it. In this class Rosen would be the only one who IMO would not benefit from some ease in time.

        • PiperAR

          “I’m not done swinging AND MISSING”
          That’s what I’m afraid of.
          #DraftJoshAllen
          #YOLO
          #OopsLOL

  • bradley

    Wyoming QB Josh Allen visits with Broncos

    http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Wyoming-QB-Josh-Allen-visits-with-Broncos/c6d5605d-ae72-4279-8d4b-868e873355cb

    The Broncos already hold some degree of familiarity with the 21-year-old prospect, as Head Coach Vance Joseph and his staff led the North Team in January’s Senior Bowl.

    Allen, who worked with Quarterbacks Coach Mike Sullivan and Offensive Coordinator Bill Musgrave, finished that game with 158 passing yards and two touchdowns in limited playing time.

  • bradley

    Bill Belichick Is A Problem, And His Players Are Finally Sick Of It

    https://thebiglead.com/2018/04/02/rob-gronkowski-tom-brady/

    Always good to hear of problems in Cheatsville.

    • masonjar

      I always enjoy true squabble, but that opinion article has mis-informed logic. It paints a Millennial vs. Boomer picture that is totally ridiculous. There might be true strife in the locker room. However, Belichick is not “old-fashioned” because he wouldn’t re-sign Butler. In fact, he leads the league in reducing big contracts to non-star or decomposing players. And OMG, Brady vs. Belichick because, well, Belichick–not because Brady is old and about to start a precipitous decline.

  • ohiobronco

    Another reminder that none of the four 1st round QBs from 2012 played a down last year and a warning to Philly about rushing Wentz:
    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/983697013798854656

  • The Color Orange

    This article discussed comments made by Ian Rapoport that led the author to believe that the only QB the Broncos are really interested in is Darnold. That would be weird. Of the big four, he seems to be the least connected to Denver.

    https://predominantlyorange.com/2018/04/09/ian-rapoport-doesnt-think-broncos-will-take-qb-5/

    • ohiobronco

      Cecil was saying that yesterday too. Seems to me that the one they have interacted with the most recently is the one they are most connected to.

    • RSH

      Sounds somewhat similar to the Broncos’ pre-draft process with Jay Cutler in 2006.

      https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/657276799412363264

      We entered the draft under our usual cone of silence. Our staff was given strict orders to discuss nothing about our interests, and it drove the local media nuts. Shanahan and I didn’t believe in bringing in prospects for predraft visits. If we hadn’t already gained a good enough feel for the player through our earlier interview process, then we hadn’t done our jobs. Besides, why tip your hand?

      • PiperAR

        #JustAskJeffFisher

        • T. Jensen

          I don’t think Fisher is a bad evaluator of talent and think he was a bad user of talent and a horrible coach though.

          Cutler has had a decent career though he could be better if he wasn’t an idiot.
          Fisher didn’t want to draft V. Young.
          Goff, Foles and Keenum have all done well post Fisher.

          • PiperAR

            I wonder if they still would have drafted Cutler had he come for a pre draft visit. Sometimes I wonder if Shanahan was adverse to due diligence because he didn’t want reasons against what he already decided to do.

            Bronco history would be different if that draft pick had been used on Ngata, but how is impossible to say.

          • RSH

            Sounds like an alternate universe story for Nick to write about. 🙂

          • Nick

            I’d think Plummer would stick through 2006, but would Shanny still want to pull the plug on him in 2007? If so, does he blow a pick on Brady Quinn instead of Jarvis Moss? I’d have to think what FA QBs were out there that year as well.

          • cjfarls

            The only real question is whether Plummer implodes without Cutler breathing down his neck.

            Plummer was just plain BAD in 2006. Folks make excuses about him feeling disrespected by Cutler’s selection… but seriously – he deserved to benched based on his play on the field. If he can’t handle the pressure of a good QB backing him up, that’s not the back-ups or coaches problems.

            A better case IMO can be made that the loss Kubiak had a far bigger impact on Plummer than drafting Cutler. Regardless who was drafted, I expect Plummer would have struggled. This was exacerbated by talent deficiency at RB (Mike and Tatum Bell as the 2 lead backs) putting more pressure on the QB (which always was Plummer’s problem when he tried to do too much rather than just manage the game).

          • T. Jensen

            For sure the relationship between Kubiak and Plummer was more important. Kubiak was a buffer between Shanny and Plummer plus he’s just a super likable guy.

          • PiperAR

            Shanahan resented every QB he coached after Elway for not being Elway.

            Total team rushing in 2005 was slightly higher (probably statisticly insignificant) than when Portis was around. Anderson went to the Ravens in 2006 and was never heard from again.

          • Yahmule

            Shanahan resented guys who didn’t want to be coached.

          • PiperAR

            What QB did Shanahan like? Given the Shanahan tendency to micromanage, I wouldn’t blame his players if they didn’t take well to being told when to shit and how many times to wipe.

          • Yahmule

            100% truth. By 2006, Plummer had regressed to the point where he was really only effective on rollouts. Pittsburgh contained him in the playoff game and he was toast. Matt Lepsis playing that game in some kind of drug induced stupor didn’t help matters, either.

            Plummer was shocked by the Cutler pick, Just like he would have been shocked if he got benched in Arizona after his nine touchdown 24 interception season.

          • T. Jensen
      • PiperAR

        With the 5th pick of the 2018 draft, the Denver Broncos select…. Ted Gregory.

  • The Color Orange
    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Rhetorical question.

    • T. Jensen

      Does he really think he’s going to the HOF?

      • PiperAR

        More like hall of shame. Or hall of infame.

        • gnasses

          I really like this idea. The NFL should absolutely have a Hall of Infamy, located in Oakland, CA. Now accepting nominations! (Ritchie is surely in on the first ballot.)

          • Nick

            I’d be eager to see who gets in both the Hall of Fame and the Hall of Infamy. Start with OJ Simpson and go from there.

          • Sparks

            Ray Lewis comes to mind with the recent OBJ comments.

          • Nick

            LT’s got plenty of infamous demons.
            Jim Brown has a long history of DV. https://deadspin.com/jim-brown-did-great-things-he-also-beat-woman-1784269329

          • VonSwenson

            My favorite local ’80s band – the Kamikaze Klones – once were voted both “Best band in Colorado” and “Worst band in Colorado” in the same Westword poll.

          • Sparks

            Rae Carruth would be on the first ballot as well.

          • Sparks

            And Lawrence Phillips.

          • Nick

            I still contend he was the worst draft pick made in NFL history, when one uses a holistic definition of “worst”.

      • Rob Rooney

        Anyone can buy a ticket and go!

    • Russ

      His liver and kidneys are shutting down from the stress of life, the job, etc.? Or because he has been injecting PEDs for the better part of a decade?

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Probably more so, the things he takes to mask the PED’s.

    • Yahmule

      Hmm, I wonder what sounds good for lunch today.

  • The Color Orange

    I find it hard to believe that this is really how Broncos fans responded. Are they starting to prepare us?

    https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/983717964946989056

    • Tyler

      Probably because Allen is in a class of his own. Those who want a more traditional QB split their votes up amongst the other QBs. Those who want a physical freak with the highest ceiling all voted for Allen.

      • The Color Orange

        “Highest ceiling” seems to have become a euphemism for “big arm, inaccurate, can’t read defenses to save his life.”

        • Tyler

          His arm, size, mobility, and quick release are more like what I had in mind.

          You’re entitled to your opinion (and to beat it like a dead horse) that it’s unlikely he works out. If he does work out though it would be a damn hard argument to make that his physical tools doesn’t give him by far the highest ceiling.

          • T. Jensen

            He for sure is the highest risk with the highest reward. Those talents are great but if he can’t read defenses and make the right call it is going to be ugly for him.

            People can’t learn size, mobility and arm strength but can learn the mental aspect of the game. So that is definitely a plus for him, the question is can he learn the mental aspect of the game. My guess is the speed of the NFL is going to give him fits (especially if he starts sooner rather than later) but its all speculative at this point.

          • Sparks

            I think if I was going to go with a ‘tools’ QB in hopes that he can develop the mental aspect of the game, I’d go with LJ before Allen. While Allen has him beat on pure arm strength and size (some 20ish pounds), it’s hard to overlook the mobility production of an average of 1,586 rushing yards, 6.45 yds per carry and 19.5 TD’s that LJ accumulated the past 2 years.

          • T. Jensen

            I would go LJ too. Close to the same reward (better on the rushing), the risk is different though. There is still some mental/accuracy risk to LJ but not as much (the game is just faster when it comes to the big 5) his size to me is the biggest risk factor. Can he stay healthy as a dual threat QB? To me that’s more a problem for/with the coach. If you design the running plays properly I think it decreases the injury factor, if you let LJ scramble and make up stuff constantly, he’s going to get hurt.

          • Sparks

            Agreed. I know it’s easy to say “just slide stupid” as I sit in my La-Z-Boy at home, but for one reason or another these mobile QB’s have a hard time grasping that concept. I don’t know if it’s competitive nature, adrenaline, bravado or what but if LJ can just learn to “live for the next play” and do what it takes to make that happen, it’ll go a long way to a productive and lengthy NFL career. Just slide, run out of bounds, throw it away…do whatever it takes to limit the hits.

          • Yahmule

            Isn’t it weird that Lamar Jackson’s physical tools are just kind of ignored whenever this discussion breaks out?

          • Tyler

            I think Jensen covered it pretty well below. For me, my concern with that is I’m not sure I can come up with a successful QB in LJs mold. A few come to mind for Allen.

          • Steven_Searls

            I’d prefer Jackson to Allen.

    • Nick

      Lots of Wyoming fans in the poll?

      • ohiobronco

        This tweet is poorly worded beyond redemption so no way to know what this “poll” was or what “overwhelming winner” means. I am probably putting more thought into this comment than he did the tweet or Griese did the “poll”. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was much stronger support for Allen among fans who are less quantitatively minded than most people here.

      • Drewredux

        The regional bias has to be strong. The Rocky Mountain region is riddled with us UW folks.

        The potential feel-good story factor is high.

    • RSH
    • Yahmule

      We’re going to fuck this up.

  • T. Jensen

    The local radio show here mentioned how WR has been a bust (rd 1) the last few years in the draft. I pulled the numbers and was quite shocked.

    Year player 2017 Rec Yards 2016 Rec Yards 2015 Rec Yards Average
    2017 Williams, Mike 95 95
    2017 Davis, Corey 375 375
    2017 Ross, John 0 0
    2016 Fuller, Will 423 635 529
    2016 Treadwell, Laquon 200 15 108
    2016 Doctson, Josh 502 66 284
    2016 Coleman, Corey 305 413 359
    2015 Cooper, Amari 680 1153 1070 968
    2015 White, Kevin 6 187 0 64
    2015 Parker, DeVante 670 744 494 636
    2015 Perriman, Breshad 77 499 576 384

    Amari Cooper is the only pick that has really done anything close to special and he regressed quite a bit last year.

    (Sorry for the formatting, couldn’t figure out how to do a table in Disqus)

    • Nick

      The one on that list that really surprises me is Laquon Treadwell, I thought he was going to be really good. Best case scenario would be that it was Chad Kelly that inflated his numbers.

      • T. Jensen

        Who’s Chad Kelly? Is he any good?

        • Nick

          All I know is that he has swag. Or that he just get paid in wags.

          • ohiobronco

            He also wants to spray this place with YOLO balls.

          • PiperAR

            Is that an STI?

          • Carsonic

            Kind of a jaundice thing? No, wait, that’s yellow balls.

    • Carsonic

      That is crazy. It would be interesting to see what round/s supply the highest performing WRs.

    • Drewredux

      The thing that gets me every year is the “high-end prospect” who’s only real problem is separating.

      That’s like the world renowned mathematician who’s only real weak spot is algebra.

      It’s pretty fucking important. Being able to separate.

      • Yahmule

        Hi, my name is Courtland Sutton, pleased to meet you.

        • Drewredux

          Bingo!

  • RSH

    Coverage of the Denver Broncos in The Denver Post is seriously waning. There has been little Broncos’ news or stories published in the past five days. https://www.denverpost.com/sports/denver-broncos/. Now that Nicki Jhabvala, Nick Kosmider, and Nick Groke have all officially left The Post, the only one left to write about the Broncos there is Mark Kiszla. Yikes.

    https://twitter.com/TheAthleticDEN/status/983706178474663936

    • Nick

      I didn’t know Kiszla was even still there. I wonder who they’ll try to target. Probably some young, desperate newcomer willing to work for peanuts.

      • RSH

        I have a BA in Journalism. If I was independently wealthy, I would consider it. 🙂

        • Nick

          You’re always free to write here. Unfortunately, you’d get paid as much as I do for this place.

          • RSH

            I am working on a piece to post during the dead part of the offseason.

    • Drewredux

      That is like me writing a column on interstellar navigation backed by a nagging disdain for space.

    • The Color Orange
    • Hank Mardukis

      Too bad for the Avs. Boulding is a know nothing, fan schmuck.

  • RSH

    A really good interview with Josh Rosen, plus a Boise State alum shout out for Nick is contained therein. If the Broncos go quarterback, I think that as of today, Rosen would be my top choice.

    https://twitter.com/RandGetlin/status/983737032252932096

    • Drewredux

      “I’ll put it this way: These connections were discovered because I shared them. That’s my naïveté in thinking, “I’m going to tell people who I am because that’s who I am.” At 18, I wasn’t aware it was something to hide.”

      True genius.

    • bradley

      Really good interview. I’m impressed.

      • JMac

        I loved the fact that he is interested in the history of plays and why they are called… Great little nugget in there.

    • cjfarls

      Rosen has been my #1 choice from the beginning. My only big concern about him isn’t even about him… its about CK.

      Because I think Rosen’s the most “pro-ready” of the QB prospects, I think he is hurt the most by sitting on the bench if he can’t quite beat out Keenum immediately. This puts the team in the uncomfortable spot of either sitting $25m in g-money on the bench while Rosen takes his lumps, or slowing Rosen’s learning curve.

      Darnold/Mayfield/LJ/Allen I think all have more work needed such that they could better benefit from sitting and learning behind a pro for a year (or 2 in some cases).

      This is a sunk cost problem, so if Rosen were ready then I think CK should sit and we eat our cap hit and move on… and if Rosen is available at #5 and ready to exceed CK on the field, I call that a “good problem to have” / cost of getting a franchise QB.

      • JMac

        I’m not sure how much sitting for a short time hurts him. He’s the MOST pro-ready, but that’s not the same thing as being ready to go immediately… He’ll need to learn a new playbook, different defensive looks, practice against NFL-calibre defenses. They won’t do an Os and sit him for 4 years, but I can see them taking a page from Green Bay and sitting him a little while. Obviously CK isn’t Favre, so I doubt it will be as stretched out as that.

        • cjfarls

          Yeah, it could well be mid-late season before he’s “ready ready”. The team will see them practice, and the best player plays until the team is eliminated from the playoffs. I don’t particularly care who that is… but my guess is Rosen would be the fastest to exceed CK creating the wasted g-money problem. but like I said… good problem to have if your rookie is outplaying your $25m g-money QB.

      • Sparks

        He’s been my #1 as well and agree with most of what you said here. Even if they get a Mayfield, though, I’d like to see him get some reps with the 1s and not be relegated to the bench. Also, another big fear of mine on Rosen in injury history. Concussions are a nasty thing so as long as they do their due diligence and feel comfortable with the outlook on his long-term health then by all means move forward with the young man if they absolutely love him.

        • Drewredux

          I’d go up and get him at this point (fully aknowledgeIng my deep-seated concerns about his durability.)

          I wonder what 5 to 2 would cost? TG Dave Gettleman has a decent chance at Nelson or Chubb at 5. Doubtfully Barkley.

          But, anyway, maybe John could pull it at a palatable price, and take a cut at the most vital position.

          I might change my opinion in a few hours or so. Of course. 😀

          • RSH

            The Giants would have a perfect heir apparent to Eli Manning by selecting Josh Rosen. If I was Gettleman, I would be strongly leaning towards selecting Rosen to take over in 2019. I take the report that the Giants don’t like Rosen with a huge grain of salt. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-giants-would-reportedly-draft-sam-darnold-at-no-2-overall-dont-like-josh-rosen/

          • Drewredux

            Eli played under worse conditions than TS last year, and they drafted Davis Webb the previous draft.

            Of course, Davis Webb isn’t the genius’s “guy”, or he might have alienated everybody in the building, but the Giants picking a quarterback right now seems pretty impulsive to me. Especially with old-school Dave staring at Quinton Nelson and Bradley Chubb, who both would fit glaring needs on the Giant roster.

            I get that I’m in the wilderness on this one.

          • Yahmule

            You have to go back to 2006 and Tiki Barber for the last special talent the Giants have had @ running back and Gettleman drafted a running back 8th overall last season, Muslim McConkey, or something like that.

          • Sparks

            Are you sure? I thought Muslim McConkey is that Golden Domer LT coming out this year. Maybe you’re thinking of Buddhist McCraken?

          • Yahmule

            You may be right. It definitely wasn’t A.G. Nostic.

          • Drewredux

            There is that, too. For sure.

          • Sparks

            I don’t think you’re in the wilderness on that. While QB could be on the Giants radar, I think the JPP trade puts Chubb squarely in that conversation at #2 as well. And Nelson being, well, Nelson should have him in all conversations. I think it’s been apparent, league-wide, at shitty OL play so there’s never a reason to not entertain a generational lineman at any point of the draft.

          • PiperAR

            The first “The Genius” I think of is Lanny Poffo, much overshadowed by his brother Randall (ring name Randy Savage) but could have been pushed better and/or had a slightly better gimmick.

            Anyway, I think the Giants have more reason to draft a QB than Denver. The sun is setting on Eli Manning (already overrated because of his last name) and I know nothing about Davis Webb. Keenum has one good season to build on.

            If NYG don’t want a QB it makes more sense to trade down and try for one of Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb. Not sure who would be a potential partner other than Buffalo which might be too much of a move down.

          • Drewredux

            Of course. It all rides on internal opinions we aren’t privvy to.

            I would disagree that Denver has the better starter penciled in at QB right now. Even calling it a wash would be a reach.

          • PiperAR

            Imagine his name is Eli Flacco or Eli Dalton. If Eli really is a good QB in a bad situation, the Giants are in worse shape than I realize.

            Regardless, at this point in time, Eli has two probable career trajectories: down, and out. It would be prudent to prepare for the post-manning era. Time is not on his side.

          • Drewredux

            Hopefully, if the majority is right on this, Gettleman sees Cam Newton in Josh Allen. 🤔

          • PiperAR

            I’m down.

        • Yahmule

          If you get Mayfield, you better play him right away. He’s not going to be a good locker room guy sitting on the bench.

          • cjfarls

            If that’s true, I’m not sure Mayfield is a guy we want. If he’s outplaying CK, sure… every player should want to be the guy and the best player should play. But Mayfield I’m guessing still has a lot learn about NFL-QBing (he doesn’t appear near as polished as Darnold/Rosen, and came from a simpler scheme, etc.)…

            If he’s on the bench, I would hope he would take that as encouragement to study harder, listen to the coaches, perfect his technique, and work until he’s the best QB on the team and earns the starting gig. If he thinks he’s entitled to it, that is problematic IMO.

          • Yahmule

            He will not view it as entitlement. Given his playing style, I could easily see Mayfield posting better preseason numbers than Keenum. Given his personality, I can’t ever see him happily existing as number two. I don’t think he would be outwardly disruptive, but he’s not going to totally buy in, either.

          • cjfarls

            I certainly hope he’s not HAPPY about being #2… but if he is, I would hope the coaches are clearly telling him WHY he’s #2 and the things he needs to improve on in order to beat out CK. His goal should be to improve on those weak areas so the coaches play him… if he’s as good as he thinks and serious enough about his craft to take the coaching, it shouldn’t be a problem.

            I’m often pretty optimistic about this stuff… some guys are uncoachable and throw fits when they get beat out… I don’t want those folks on the team. But the PLAYERS I think typically understand who gives them the best chance to win. That is the guy I think should start, and smart coaches are listening to the lockerroom leaders. If the coaches/players are behind CK, Mayfield needs to shut up and work until he is the better option…. and the whole team will be behind him at that point.

          • Yahmule

            I think he’s as serious as a heart attack. Unlike Allen, who already announced that he would be comfortable essentially redshirting this season. I just think the chances of a quick QB controversy are highest with Mayfield.

          • Yahmule

            While I’m on this topic, nothing bugs me more than the “he doesn’t love football” label. The fact that Josh Rosen had to wear it and Josh Allen never does is pretty unfair, IMO. Who loves football more, a guy as refined and polished as Rosen or the guy who still does so many little but critical things so poorly?

  • The Color Orange
  • RSH
  • royalwithcheese
    • Drewredux

      I bailed on learning much about the prospects a couple months ago,
      but I recall Rankin is suitably underpowered for the Broncos oline.

      I imagine Penn St’s O’Niel is in the mix at 40.

      It’ll all be good. We got a new guy that will overcome their genetic limitations. 👍

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Adam Gase is a liar.

      • Drewredux

        He is another guy that has always rubbed me wrong. I have no doubt this trade failed out of spite.

        • RSH

          I have said this before, but Gase’s petty bridge burning is really going to hurt him one day.

          • Yahmule

            What will hurt him first is a roster that is really low on talent. Outside of the defensive line, I don’t think there’s a unit on the team that’s better than average.

        • ohiobronco

          I certainly enjoyed the results he facilitated as OC in Denver. As OC you never really got a read on his personality so he just seemed like a young sharp guy. You can never tell with the coordinator to HC jump.

    • Yahmule

      I figured that boat sailed when they signed Gore to back up Kenyan Drake, who had a mild breakout last season.

  • RSH
    • Nick

      That “league source” guy seems like a real asshole.

  • Nick
    • T. Jensen

      thank goodness

    • PiperAR

      “Almost”. That word can be streatched like silly putty.

  • So there’s this from one of my fellow Mile High Huddle staff members, who is indeed in contact with multiple sources with the NFL.

    https://twitter.com/ErickTrickel/status/983784781082062848

    If that does happen, I’d have to wonder what caused the Browns to change their minds about Sam Darnold, who is the quarterback they have been linked to since the season ended, starting with those beat writers who cover the Browns.

    • Sparks

      I think that’d be a fine selection for the Browns.

      • cjfarls

        The cosmic sadness of that selection would be awesome. Sorry Browns fans.

        • Sparks

          Yep, to be followed up with the selection of Calvin Ridley at #4, because, you know, Allen will need someone to throw too.

          I’ve been saying this for a while now, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a shift in power in the AFC – Browns and Bengals battling for AFC North supremacy, Titans/Texans for the AFC South, Bills/Jets for the AFC East, Broncos for the AFC West (of course). If Allen were to go to the Browns, I’d really be pulling for the guy to make this happen, as long as it didn’t negatively affect the Broncos of course.

        • pubkeeper
          • Yahmule

            That play spawned numerous videos that sum up the pathos of Browns fans so well.

          • Sparks

            Jersey’s are made of pretty stout material. This is an impressive Hulk Hogan moment.

    • Yahmule

      Dear Football Gods, I don’t ask you for much – okay, we know that’s a lie, but give your humble supplicant a break here – please make this so. That other thing, too.

      Kisses,

      YM

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        I’m still trying to recoup my soul from the devil after 2015.

        • Yahmule

          At least he delivered. Deceiving mortals by only honoring the letter of the contract and not the actual intent is like his bread and butter. Be glad you didn’t play Madden before SB 50 or he would have screwed us all.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Good call. Now for a true story, that might be TMI. I’m really superstitious about football, and I do (embarrassingly) pray about it some times. Like God would really care about a game, right? But part of my ritual is I won’t J.O. during the playoffs. Not like during a game (which I have never done, despite what my wife, and friends may think), but until we win the Super Bowl, or we are eliminated. 2015 took a lot of self control, but in the end, it paid off for all us. The sacrifices I make for the Broncos…I was so freaked out that it worked, I completely abstained until June!

          • Yahmule

            Not me, man. I have to excrete that poison from my system on the regular so I can think clearly.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Haha!

    • Tyler

      Ughhh. As a UW alum I want to see Allen succeed and Cleveland is where Hopes/Dreams/QBs go to die. Anywhere but there or NE please.

    • The Color Orange

      Browns gonna Brown.

    • Nick

      Bob, what’s your take on the idea that there’s a lot of misinformation coming out of sources this time of year?

      • I don’t doubt there is. But I do know that Erick takes his time to figure out which people he talks to are presenting information that is at least accurate at the time it’s being discussed, rather than just idle chit chat or casual talk.

        The main thing to watch for is to see how consistent somebody is with what they report, particularly with those who follow a specific team, and how often what they report turns out to be correct. In following Erick, he’s been consistent with what he believes will happen. In this case, everyone he’s talked to has said the Browns wanted Sam Darnold, but it’s only now he’s hearing differently and when he says “really don’t want to believe it,” that should tip you off that it’s not likely misinformation.

        Compare that to other NFL insiders, who take whatever they hear and don’t preface it with “really don’t want to believe it.” They are the types that just focus on what will get people talking.

        • Yahmule

          The big board and position rankings he has posted on Twitter are from the 2017 Draft.

          April 10, 2018

          • Tyler

            Just gotta hit the 2018 tab

          • Yahmule

            Doy!

            Thanks.

          • Just checked — there are two tabs, one for 2017 and one for 2018. Click the 2018 tab for each and this year’s rankings should come up.

            ETA: Never mind, Sparks already got you covered. 🙂

          • Yahmule

            Got it. I like his board. He’s not one of the flock. Bryan @ 9 would be bold, but not impossible. I thought I liked Isaac Yiadom more than anybody else, but I was wrong. Too low on PJ Hall and Brian O’Neill, IMO. Hall is going to rise and keep rising and O’Neill seems like a terrific prospect to me in the right system.

    • Steven_Searls

      I suspect this is a lie.

      • cjfarls

        If so, the question is – Why? At the #1 pick, there is very little incentive is dissemble… its not like someone can move in front of you to take “your guy”.

        CLE should be lying about their plans for #4… but I have trouble figuring out what scenario makes it worth their while to lie about #1…. about the best I can come up with is if they think NYJ/NYG like Allen the best, and want to con them into trading up…. but that seems quite far fetched. The whole reason NYJ were comfortable with going to #3 is likely because they have multiple folks they are happy with.

  • I was going to do a quick update on how my mock draft was taking shape, but given what Erick Trickel shared, I’ll put out two scenarios for how I would expect the first seven picks to go at this point.

    If the Browns are serious about Josh Allen at No. 1, I expect the board to go this way.

    Browns: Allen; Giants: Darnold; Jets: Mayfield; Browns: Chubb; Broncos: Rosen; Colts: Nelson; Bucs: Barkely.

    If the Browns really aren’t serious and are sticking with Darnold at No. 1, I expect the board to go this way.

    Browns: Darnold; Giants: Chubb; Jets: Allen; Browns: Ward or trade down; Broncos: Mayfield… and who knows after that, because if the Bills don’t trade up to No. 4, they will likely be trading up with the Colts or Bucs to get Rosen.

    • royalwithcheese

      Sounds like you’re fully expecting the Broncos to go QB?

      • If either Mayfield or Rosen is there at No. 5, yes.

        If only Allen is there, no. John Elway is the only person in the Broncos organization who really likes Allen. Nobody else is a fan. Gary Kubiak isn’t sold on him, neither is Vance Joseph, neither is Mike Sullivan (the QB coach).

        They did bring Allen in for a visit, but that was because of “due diligence” in meeting with each of the top four QB prospects. But I wouldn’t read into that as anything more than “due diligence.”

        If Kubiak hadn’t come back to the Broncos, there’s a very real chance Elway would have fallen in love with Allen like he has other players. But Kubiak is getting more input into personnel, plus if Joseph isn’t sold on a player (and so far, Allen is the only top draft prospect I know Joseph isn’t sold on), the Broncos aren’t going to take him simply because Elway loves him.

        So if Allen is the only one of the top four left, it’s either another player taken at No. 5 or trade down.

        But at this point, I don’t think Allen will be there at No. 5.

        • Sparks

          Thanks for the insight. If true, this has earned VJ some brownie points from me.

          • Steven_Searls

            Probably VJ realizes he’s on a short leash, and doesn’t want a project QB at #5. And everyone agrees Josh Allen is the biggest project QB among the top QBs this year.

          • Sparks

            Good point – plus he already has the ultimate project QB on the roster. No need to bottle feed 2 youngin’s.

        • Nick

          I’m not good enough to photoshop all the things I’d need to do on the Gentle Ben Simpsons GIF I keep posting when I hear this rumor, so I’ll just rewrite the script from that scene:

          *NFL NETWORK switches coverage to the war room of the BRONCOS.*
          *ELWAY starts writing Josh Allen’s name on the draft card.*
          KUBIAK : No, John, no!
          *ELWAY swats KUBIAK away with his left hand, continues to write with his right hand.*
          *JOSEPH, SULLIVAN, and RUSSELL enter with tranquilizer guns, and fire at ELWAY.*
          *ELWAY falls to the ground while screaming.*
          *NFL NETWORK replaces coverage of the war room of the BRONCOS with a photograph of ELWAY holding the trophy from Super Bowl 50.*

        • The Color Orange

          Who could have predicted that Elway would really like Allen?

          • For the same reason so many other teams are convinced Allen can be a franchise QB.

            Old habits die hard and there are still plenty of front office types who think a QB who plays a pro style offense, has a strong arm and is tall can make it as a starter.

            Remember: Lots of scouts were convinced Paxton Lynch was worth a first-round pick before the 2016 draft took place and Jerry Jones wanted him just as much as Elway did.

          • The Color Orange

            Do you know who the Broncos prefer between Rosen and Mayfield?

          • They don’t have a preference either way. They would be happy with either one at No. 5.

            The only thing I know is a lock at this point is the Broncos won’t trade up from No. 5. They will let the board fall as it may and go from there.

          • The Color Orange

            I’ve read this multiple places, but I find it a little hard to believe. They’re prepared to take a franchise QB at 5, but they will under no circumstances move from 5 to 4 to ensure they get a franchise QB? They’re fully prepared to say, for instance, that throwing in a fourth rounder to get a guy who can be their QB for a decade simply isn’t worth it, and they’ll just take a cornerback instead?

          • Sparks

            Why would they want to move to 4 if the Browns select a QB at 1? I don’t see the Browns doubling down on QB’s.

          • The Color Orange

            To prevent someone else from leapfrogging them to take a QB. If QBs go 1-2-3, then every team that wants one of the big four will be in play to move up in front of Denver.

          • Sparks

            I guess I can see that. Hopefully they don’t love the #4 QB so much to make that move, however. I think trading up would be the worst move they could make. What would have been the point of putting all the pieces in place like Keenum, Veldheer, Brock etc only to be desperate enough to have to trade-up as opposed to being in a position to take the BPA?

          • If QBs go 1-2-3, Chubb will be there at No. 4 and all signs are pointing to the Browns taking him. So the Broncos have no reason to move up. Please see my above response for more.

            (Meanwhile, I need to get something covered at my regular job, so I might not have more responses.)

          • The Browns aren’t taking a QB at No. 4. All indications are that, if Bradley Chubb is there at No. 4, the Browns will take him, so they have no incentive to move down if he is there.

            If Chubb is gone at No. 2 to the Giants, the Browns could be tempted to move down, but only at the right price. Even then, there would be at least one QB prospect left. Hence, there is no reason for the Broncos to move up.

            The way signs are pointing, Allen is expected to go off the board before the Broncos pick at No. 5. If he does, and Chubb goes at No. 2, at least one of Rosen or Mayfield will be there at No. 5. So there is no reason for the Broncos to move up.

            You are making assumptions that if a team is prepared to take a franchise QB that they have to trade up. It doesn’t work that way. You can prepare for taking one by allowing the board to develop and go from there. If it doesn’t work out the way you expected, you go to another plan — take another player (and most people here would have no problem with Nelson being the guy) or trade down.

            The Broncos aren’t going to be like the Bears. They’ll wait for the board to develop and go from there. And chances are, by doing so, they’ll find a QB they like, given the way things are pointing with the other teams.

          • The Color Orange

            I don’t think a team in Denver’s position can categorically take trading up off the table if they’re looking to get a franchise QB. If the Browns take Allen at number one, the Giants take Darnold at 2 (supposedly he’s the only one they’re interested in), and the Jets take Rosen or Mayfield at 3, then the Browns may well be open for business at four. Sure, as you say below, they may take Chubb, but they may also be willing to move. That’s why I don’t see how it can categorically be off the table for Denver.

          • cjfarls

            I think Denver can’t be/isn’t all-in on getting a franchise QB at #5. If the team is willing to move up for the #4 QB off the board, it should never have signed CK to $25m-gmoney. Elway moving up for a QB at this point is really damning of his cap-management skills.

            The only reason to pay that much for CK is to make it so you can comfortably sit tight and pass on QBs if one of value doesn’t fall to you. If you are absolutely going to draft a QB early and will trade up if necessary… don’t waste the cap on a guy you hope will be the backup sooner rather than later. Spend that extra $10m in cap space on players to help the new QB succeed.

            I always worried that a QB DEN liked wouldn’t fall all the way to #5. That is why I was ecstatic that we grabbed CK, because it took the worst outcomes off the table (a.k.a. all the QBs we like are vacuumed up before us).

          • DragonPie

            For just a moment, I was reading CK as Colin Kaepernick before my brain kicked in.

          • Yahmule

            I was hoping Calvin Klein bought the stadium naming rights.

            “Nothing gets between me and the quarterback and nothing gets between me and my Calvins”

            Von Miller~

            But I totally agree about the draft pick. Come on, Broncos, give Case the legit chance you said you would and give him an impact player @ 5.

          • RSH

            Another excellent piece of news!

        • RSH

          This is one of the most encouraging bits of news I have read all offseason. As always, thank you for your contributions here, Bob.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          Elway: “I’ve seen enough (to get a raging hard on for a tall strong armed QB).”

    • PiperAR

      If the Bills trade to #4, do they get Mayfield or Rosen?

      • My understanding is the Bills like Rosen more.

        On a personal note, though, I believe it’s best for the Bills not to trade up. Richie Incognito’s retirement leaves them with a need for offensive linemen and, while Nelson isn’t likely to get past the Bears at No. 8, Mike McGlinchey should be there at No. 12.

        • Yahmule

          If Barkey was there @ 5, I’ll bet we could get Tampa to give up a fortune. They haven’t had a running back remotely that good in the history of the franchise and their current group is among the worst in the league.

          • RSH

            If the Broncos can select Quenton Nelson at #7 while coming away with additional picks, what a dream scenario that would be.

          • PiperAR

            Long long time ago they drafted Bo Jacksohwait…

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Litty, eh? Is the new variation of lit? I am getting old.

      • Nick

        I hope Urban Dictionary is as useful as it always is as I get older and older.

      • Yahmule

        Alternate explanation is that guy is a dork.

    • RSH
      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Nicki is such a dinosaur, using words like “dope”.

        • RSH

          Yes. Very un-litty.

          • Sparks

            Why do I hear this being said in Leonard Nimoy’s voice?

        • Yahmule

          I think those hats are bitchin’.

          • Carsonic

            I think they’re fly.

          • RSH

            I think that they’re very groovy.

          • Sparks

            I think the hats are very sensible and functionable while being a design success that would be a perfect accoutrement to any gray/orange ensemble that is in need of serious accessory involvement.

          • Yahmule
          • Sparks

            You right….it’s fly.

          • Yahmule

            I knew you weren’t a rectangle.

          • gobroncos

            Ooops, just saw this.

          • gobroncos

            But…that’s a rectangle.

          • Yahmule

            In fairness, Uma might have still been dizzy from getting kicked in the face by Tarantino in a prior scene.

          • gobroncos

            true.

          • Carsonic

            I think you’re very sensible and functionable while being a design success that would be a perfect accoutrement to any gray/orange ensemble that is in need of serious accessory involvement.

          • Carsonic

            (Sorry, that’s just a comeback that my middle daughter has started using on a regular basis, which I find hilarious.)

          • PiperAR

            For a white guy

        • VonSwenson

          They’re gnarly.

        • PiperAR

          OMG, like, grody. Gag me with a spoon, for real!

      • Drewredux

        I went on a mission to replace my mojo-depleted stable of hats, and I haven’t been able to find one I’d wear in solitary confinement. The comcepts of “Cool” and “stylish” have zipped right on by me.

        My shirts are going threadbare, too.

        I did buy a nice orange doo-rag.

        • T. Jensen

          I can’t stand the flat bill, it drives me nuts. I used to get rubber bands and shape my hats as a kid.

          I have 4 or 5 Broncos hats but my primary hat is basically a 10 year old version of this
          https://www.fanatics.com/nfl/denver-broncos/hats-denver-broncos-new-era-ne-core-fit-throwback-49forty-fitted-hat-royal/o-3516+t-36930263+d-53995519+f-5623095+z-9-1491614672?_s=GPA_CA&_p=8429&sku=8691894

          • Hank Mardukis

            I have one flat bill and it only looks good backwards. Wearing the visor in front makes you look like you have a drive-in movie theater for a forehead. Or a bro douchebag.

          • T. Jensen

            Funny thing is I get stopped more with comments about the Durham Bulls than I do for the Broncos…

          • Drewredux

            My Broncos garb produces more lamentations about Tim Tebow than anything. I just smile politely and nod appropriately while my brain drifts off to Drewland.

        • Yahmule

          I have a giant dome and long hair. All baseball style caps fit me badly. I used to be addicted to those skull caps pulled down right to my eyes back when I wore my hair about .25 inch long.

          • Drewredux

            That is another thing. My dome really pissed off an army supply seargent back in ’89. He had to dig deep for my required head gear.

            I have a hard time finding hats that don’t come built in with headaches. There aren’t enough holes on the adjustables.

          • Yahmule

            Yep. Take most of ’em to the last notch.

          • bradley

            See my response to Yahmule about BigHeadCaps.com

          • bradley

            Try Big Head Caps:

            https://www.bigheadcaps.com/Big-Head-Caps%C2%AE_bymfg_6-0-1.html

            I need a size 8. I’ve bought three baseball caps from them and very pleased with the caps and quick delivery.

      • Tyler

        Ok these are pretty cool.

      • Yahmule

        Disappointed it isn’t DEFWU.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      As long as my kitty doesn’t think it’s litty, we good.

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Can’t blame this one on Gruden. Irvin has hated King ever since he appeared in this picture @ that game Irvin is never asked to attend.

      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DVTrsSz0zQ8/hqdefault.jpg

      • RSH

        Bring it on, Irvin, Chucky, AND the entire Raiders squad.

    • Drewredux

      One guy Garrett Bolles made a punk of his year was Bruce Irvin.

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Are they going to interview Quenton Nelson? Or are they afraid they won’t be able to pass him up after they spend a few hours with him?

      • PiperAR

        If Bob is right that the Broncos plan is QB or trade down, they’ve probably already fallen into the “but he’s just a guard” trap.

        • Yahmule

          He would beat out Jared Veldheer after one practice, too.

          • PiperAR

            Probably. Best hope for Nelson fans is that Mayfield and Rosen are gone, Elway’s underlings block Allen, and Nelson is still there at whatever spot Denver moves back to.

          • Yahmule

            I hope we see the unprecedented QB’s 1 to 4.

  • Sparks

    Not football related at all but a nice ranking for my hometown at #2. Denver is #3 and paging T Jensen for being at #1.

    https://www.usnews.com/info/blogs/press-room/articles/2018-04-10/us-news-unveils-the-2018-best-places-to-live

    • T. Jensen

      Austin is a great place to live but I’m not sure how Austin is ranked #1 in affordability unless you don’t want to own a home…

      • Sparks

        This has the median home price at $278K. Is that not what you’ve experienced?

        • T. Jensen

          That’s probably accurate but anything under $300k is either really small or really crappy and usually both.

          I live 45 minutes south of downtown in Buda and my home is valued around 300. My same home 15 minutes north would run me closer to 400k. I don’t have that nice of a home (2 story, yrbt 2007, 2500 SF, builder grade everything except granite countertops).

          Also consider property taxes and insurance. I pay more into escrow each month than I do for the actual mortgage…

          • Alaskan

            To a guy who lives in a ski town, those sound like incredibly reasonable numbers.

          • T. Jensen

            I guess its all perspective. I just find it crazy that my house was built and sold for 140k in 2008 and now I can get 300k more than double in 10 years.

            I know of very few single income families anymore because most people can’t afford a house on one income.

      • PiperAR

        Communal living. Eight roommates and a month when three don’t change is a slow month.

    • Nick

      23rd overall? Barely top quintile, I’ll take it.

    • Yahmule

      Washington, DC in the top ten. That seems at least 50 spots too high to me.

      • Sparks

        I was thinking the same thing. The traffic alone should push it down the list.

        • Drewredux

          I never even thought about having a car during my stint there.

        • Nick
          • Yahmule

            Elevated pedestrian walkways would alleviate a lot of that mess. Can’t believe that hasn’t been done already.

          • Nick

            Those are actually worse for pedestrians, as they have to walk farther to get where they want to go, while cars get to travel faster and more unimpeded.

          • Yahmule

            But they’re not subject to traffic lights, so you make up the time because you’re moving. Only really viable if it’s accessible to everybody, though. So, probably cost prohibitive if that’s largely residential. Although, every option will be expensive as hell.

          • Drewredux

            Most of you probably know this, but confusing ass DC is by design. It was designed to vex the military planning and tactics of the times.

          • Yahmule

            If you can’t even fool a bunch of Canadians, why bother?

        • Alaskan

          It is the only place I ever returned a rental car early, because I didn’t want to drive anymore.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        While the housing costs are ridiculous, and traffic is horrible, it’s got lots of diversity, free museums, plenty of green spacr

        • cjfarls

          Yeah, while I’m glad to have gotten back to Ft Collins 3 years ago, I enjoyed my 15 years in the DC area. Still actually own a rowhouse in Alexandria.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            When we arrived there in 97′, I wasn’t planning to buy, since I knew we’d be moving abroad in a year. But, my wife and I did check out houses in the McLean area. I was appalled that houses there were going for 350,000 and up. Seemed insane. Didn’t buy. What a fool I was.

          • cjfarls

            Yep – When I moved to DC in 2001, I looked at a 1.5-bdrm in Clarendon that was $200k and I thought that insane. By the time I eventually bought in 2008, similar places were going for $400-450k.

    • iowabronco

      Have to agree, living in Des Moines is great for our family. Very underated city and lifestyle here. This coming from someone raised in Colorado and a Bronco fan since age 3.

  • Yahmule

    Exasperating WR Trevor Davis makes strong claim for Dumber Person of the Week.

    April 10, 2018

    • Yahmule

      Niche comedian TJ Miller says, “Hold my beer, son!”

      April 10, 2018

      • Russ

        That guy’s from Denver. An East High School grad.

        • Prater2Beadles4Six

          My Alma Mater. That’s why I don’t like seeing this

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Damn. Overall, I really loved the Broncos’ Color Rush uniform.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        My Von Miller Color Rush jersey is now a collectors item.

      • pubkeeper

        I liked the jerseys and helmet. Put em with white pants tho

    • T. Jensen

      I never watched for the uniforms, I watched because I am a fan. That being said its pretty sweet when they give us something new to see or talk about. I mostly loved the color rush.

      • Drewredux

        They should have blued the white, IMO.

        Darken that orange back down a little, too.

    • Yahmule

      Wanger.

    • RSH

      https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/983837395635224578

      Have we witnessed the end of the Color Rush era in the NFL? Not quite.

      The monochrome-tastic uniforms, which have been a hallmark of Thursday Night Football since 2015, could see some deployment changes for the 2018 season. A source informed of the situation told NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo that the uniforms aren’t going away completely, but they might no longer be exclusive to Thursday night games.

      There are some additional changes that could be coming to the NFL uniform policy as well, Garafolo reported. All modifications would have to be approved by team owners at the Spring League Meeting in May.

  • RSH
  • RSH
    • What the Raptors have to say about that?

    • Sparks

      Could there be copyright infringement with the vodka brand Skol?

  • The Color Orange

    Please be quiet, Ben. That’s EXACTLY what we want to see.
    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/983823496961757184

  • Laces Out

    I would be ecstatic if lost in all this QB hubbub, we end up with the badass Bradley Chubb. Von Miller, Wolfe, Peko, the secondary… ALL get WAY better with him on the roster….

    Oh by the way, I’d be fuckin’ giddy for Minkah Fitzpatrick…that dude is smooth

    • bradley

      You just can’t have too many Bradleys.

      • Yahmule

        Or too many Chubbs.

      • Laces Out

        Easily could be a no. 1 pick, and Fitzpatrick is a ballhawk, not getting anywhere near the attention his skill deserves..

    • Jason

      Fitzpatrick is a heck of a playmaker. His run support reminds me of Champ Bailey.

      • Laces Out

        And he takes those picks the bank

    • Kndh19

      I agree, Chubb has become the guy I most hope they will get. Shaq is most likely gone next year, Ray shouldn’t be resigned. We need a stud pass rusher to free Von again.