• Rob Rooney

    The hit rate of non-#1 picks at QB in the first round? About 20%, which doesn’t inspire confidence.

    http://www.footballperspective.com/analyzing-twenty-years-of-first-round-qbs-not-selected-first-overall/

    • What is the hit rate for QB’s selected in the 2nd and beyond? I’d wager it’s far less than 20%. finding good QB’s is hard – that’s why they make so much money on the open market and why they eat up so much cap space.

      • Jeremy

        Depending on how you define a hit, you are correct

      • ohiobronco

        If you get much past the 2nd it gets really tough to evaluate because most never get a real opportunity.

        • PiperAR

          Sometimes first rounders never get a chance either. Some first rounded don’t get a chance with multiple teams.

    • bradley

      How did those 37 quarterbacks fare? A whopping 16 of them won fewer than 20 games in the NFL:

      Jim Druckenmiller
      Akili Smith
      Cade McNown
      Ryan Leaf
      Brady Quinn
      Brandon Weeden
      EJ Manuel
      Heath Shuler
      Matt Leinart
      Tim Tebow
      Jake Locker
      J.P. Losman
      Patrick Ramsey
      Blaine Gabbert
      Christian Ponder
      Robert Griffin

    • ohiobronco

      If someone did a similar study on teams throwing money at veteran QBs I doubt it would be much better, maybe even worse.

  • bradley

    “Negotiating With The Enemy: Inside the Richard Sherman-49ers Contract Talks”

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-san-francisco-49ers-john-lynch-mmqb-peter-king

    “We’re on the 1-yard line here!” 49ers GM John Lynch said late Saturday afternoon to the free-agent corner he was recruiting, Richard Sherman. “We can do this! We can put this in the end zone!”

    Sherman smiled. “I’ve been at the 1-yard line before,” he said, “and it didn’t go so well.”

    Lynch said: “I promise you, we won’t throw it this time.”

    • PiperAR

      I promise you, I promise you, I will.
      Gotta tell ya, needda tell ya, I gotta tell ya…

  • ohiobronco

    The risk here is that teams don’t want to play the waiting game and move on to other options. Then he could lose the leverage of multiple team interest and miss out on his first choice

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973180211117416449
    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/973034077380075521

    • Rob Rooney

      The other side is that Cousins will set the market, so other QB’s may be better off waiting for this as they will make more money. That is why Ryan and Rodgers want to wait for Cousins before they negotiate extensions.

      • I think that’s part of Brees not signing yet, he’s probabl not taking less than Cousins. That’s the hold up on Rodgers getting a new deal too. Glad he’s decided to take a visit or two, yesterday it was reported he’d not take any visits.

  • ohiobronco

    Three hours till the doomsday clock hits midnight for the Saints
    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/973127932788043776

  • Kush-Lash

    So, I’ve shored up my personal priority list for QB in two options:

    Option 1 – Set It and Forget It:
    1. Brees
    2. Cousins
    Then Draft BPA

    Option 2 – The Bridge to Terabithia:
    1. McCaron
    2. Vikings QB
    Then Draft 1 of the Big 4/5. Wouldn’t care if it cost draft capital to move up either.

    I can fall in love with any of these choices, though it appears more and more teams are going after the Chicago-Style approach to the quarterback (pay a shit ton for a 1 year bridge and draft high profile) and if we end up doing that, I’d totally welcome a shot in the dark vet, knowing that’s the plan.

    • ohiobronco

      Also known as the Philly style approach.

    • QDoc

      I can be on board with these too.

      Interestingly, Philly and Chicago have done this in the last few years, and Seattle kind of lucked into this approach a few years ago with Flynn/Wilson. Essentially, get two maybe’s and hopefully one of them works out. Being that this is a copycat league, I can see us doing the same thing.

      • cjfarls

        Until we find our guy, this in an obvious answer. You keep grabbing QBs until you find one that works.
        Hell, that is the approach we took last year with TS and PL. We had the huge advantage that TS was dirt cheap, but the attempt was basically the same.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          I just saw that Cleveland is on their 29th starting QB since returning to the league.

    • Yeah I’m on board with Brees for 2 years and draft a QB heir apparent.
      (Or Option 2 for 1-2 years and same.)

      Btw I hope it doesn’t end like Bridge to Terabithia. 😉

      • Tim

        I don’t need to cry this early in the morning! That ending gets me every time

  • bradley

    “Aqib Talib Is One of a Kind”

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/09/aqib-talib-trade-broncos-rams-crabtree-chain-marcus-peters?utm_campaign=mmqb&utm_source=si.com&utm_medium=email

    “I think what is overlooked is his football IQ,” Palmer says. “People look at the off-the-field mistakes or the chain-snatching and jump to a certain conclusion. But all he does is study film, and other corners. During [2016] training camp he told me A.J. Bouye was going to have a breakout season with the Texans. No one had heard of Bouye. Bouye balled, and was the top free agent corner after the season.”

  • bradley
    • Carsonic

      Love reading Mason’s knowledgeable, sensible responses.

      • Nick

        We’re very fortunate that the Broncos employs someone for this position that’s not a blind homer.

  • Nick

    Peter King is the latest to connect breadcrumbs between Denver and Case Keenum:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-san-francisco-49ers-john-lynch-mmqb-peter-king

    4. I think Arizona makes the most sense for A.J. McCarron now, unless the Broncos or Jets get desperate if they lose out in the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes. But I’d bet the Broncos would go harder for Case Keenum than for McCarron.

    • Nick

      Also, today I learned of emerging toilet technology from Will Hernandez: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/04/toto_washlet_s350e_the_incredible_japanese_wonder_toilet_that_will_change.html

      So I’m a very conservative guy. It’s going straight in the bank. I do want to make one investment. And that’s going to be one of those fancy toilets that requires no toilet paper. I don’t care how much money I’ve got to spend on it. That’s going to be something I’m gonna spend some money on.

      • Kush-Lash

        Used a bidet in Venezuela once. It was pretty awesome. Also drank water out of it after a long night out on the town, so there’s sort of a dual function to them too.

        • T. Jensen

          That’s nasty. Also be careful which towel you use in a bathroom with a bidet. Monogramming isn’t a bad idea…

      • ohiobronco

        To have the toilet he will also need a house, costs could quickly escalate. I would advise most rookie contract players to rent until you get established somewhere. If you must buy, do it somewhere you would like to live regardless of what team you are on.

        • Nick

          The way I understand the Slate article, it’s just a toilet seat, so he should be able to take it with him when he moves. Also, the cited price was in the $900s, something that’s not unreasonable for a likely late 1st/early 2nd round pick.

          • ohiobronco

            Ya that would be reasonable.

          • PiperAR

            If he wants THAT seat, his money, he can have what he wants. If he just wants a bidet, there’s kits at Home Depot for a fraction of that price.

  • RSH

    Free Agency Tampering Period, Daylight Savings Time, Holding Out Hope for Drew Brees or Kirk Cousins Mock Draft. I am not sure how three of these players fell as far as they did, especially the sixth and seventh round selections, so I take three or four of these selections with a grain of salt.

    5: R1P5 G QUENTON NELSON, NOTRE DAME
    40: R2P8 ILB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH, BOISE STATE
    71: R3P7 CB CARLTON DAVIS, AUBURN
    99: R3P35 TE MIKE GESICKI, PENN STATE
    106: R4P6 DL TIM SETTLE, VIRGINIA TECH
    109: R4P9 WR D.J. CHARK, LSU
    142: R5P5 3-4 OLB KYLIE FITTS, UTAH
    160: R5P23 OT COLE MADISON, WASHINGTON STATE
    163: R5P26 RB KALEN BALLAGE, ARIZONA STATE
    182: R6P8 WR EQUANIMEOUS ST. BROWN, NOTRE DAME
    225: R7P7 ILB OREN BURKS, VANDERBILT

    • QDoc

      Wow. You think Gesicki will really be there in the 3rd? Dude blew up at the combine, if memory serves.

      Not sure about Fitts. Pun intended, but not sure how he fits in (and I’m a Utah fan). I think he’s going to struggle as a rusher in the NFL. I hope I’m wrong though.

      And hope we get an FART too…

      • RSH

        To be honest, I am not sure that Nelson, Vander Esch, Davis, Gesicki, Settle, St. Brown, or Burks will be available at the slots that I selected them at, but if they are, that will be great for us. I concede that Fitts needs refinement, but I think that he may be worth selecting in the fifth round. The Broncos would need to get him healthy.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Gesicki will be 1st or 2nd TE off the board. I’d like him with our high 2nd or trade up from 3rd.

        • royalwithcheese

          Getting him at 40 would be a coup. I think he ends up going around where Engram went last year. Just look at those testing numbers.

  • bradley
  • Jeremy

    On the broncos news Twitter list, does anyone know how to save it on my Twitter app (android), so I don’t have to find and click the link every time I want to view it?

    • JMac

      Go to the list in your app, and click “Subscribe” – If you are already subscribed, you can find it by clicking on your profile picture (top-left) > Lists

      This is on iOS, but I think it works pretty much the same on Android

      • Jeremy

        I don’t see the subscribe button anywhere when I’m looking at the list

  • RSH
    • Carsonic

      Ross Tucker re-tweeted with this lol comment: “$22M in dead money for Suh has to be a record but when you have a chance
      to get rid of your best defensive player a couple days after you shipped out your best offensive player you have to take it.”

  • RSH
    • royalwithcheese

      Jets and Vikings = fully guaranteed and Broncos nearly full guaranteed, right?

      • Hercules_Rockefeller

        Sounds right to me. Elway didn’t offer the absolute biggest contract to Manning and I have to think his approach would be similar with either Cousins or Brees.

        • G Mik

          Manning didn’t negotiate until he decided where to go. Much different situation. Very abnormal for it to go down that way but he knew he’d get what he wanted and wasn’t worried about the money. He was offered much more from Tennessee actually.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            Manning didn’t negotiate directly until he had made up his mind, but there were offers out there. Obviously the ownership stake offered very publicly by the titans being the chief example. He certainly had a pretty good idea what he’d be getting from Denver when he came back to negotiate the actual deal. There are certainly differences but I think Elway’s approach will have some similarities; he most likely doesn’t have as much cash at his disposal as some other teams so he’ll offer the things that other teams don’t have at their disposal; a winning environment, a talented defense; support from a HOF QB, etc.

          • PiperAR

            “Manning didn’t negotiate until he decided where to go… He was offered much more from Tenn actually.”
            *head explodes*

  • The Color Orange
    • Per NFL combine records Keenum’s hands are just 9 1/8″… how is this not a big deal for Elway now?

      • Yahmule

        Because he’s panicking.

    • Yahmule

      This is just stupid.

  • RSH
  • The Color Orange
    • Tim

      McCarron must have been pissed when Cleveland traded for Taylor, I bet he ends up in Arizona

      • Yahmule

        Hue Jackson and Ken Zampese wanted McCarron. John Dorsey, who strode into town proclaiming that the Browns were going to finally help Jackson out a little bit, obviously doesn’t care what his coach really thinks.

        • PiperAR

          While I don’t think “he who does the cooking should be the one to buy the groceries” is always true, the cook should write the shopping list.

          • Prater2Beadles4Six

            But isn’t it more interesting if the chef is given a “chopped” basket of beef tongues, daikon radishes, birthday cake, Sriracha and pork cracklins?

          • PiperAR

            Haha. Yeah, great for Iron Chef, awful for football.

      • T. Jensen

        IDK other than Jackson what’s the appeal to Cleveland? I’m betting he was secretly relieved. No reason to add his name to a long list of failed QB’s…

        • Tim

          Simply because it was probably his best chance to start next year. He could still start in Buffalo or Arizona depending on what transpires but that seemed to be his clearest path to a starting role

    • ohiobronco

      There is an unusually strong supply of veteran QBs this year. A team not set on a certain name could get a very good value.

    • RSH

      I am reminded of this guy when I think about the next 24+ hours and the entire week ahead.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaTRBipzxtc

    • Sparks

      I’m not getting the McCarron thing. How is this guy an upgrade over TS, other than the fact that he’s not TS?

      • I’m also not getting why Foles would expect a “Market” when as he notes he’s not a FA. :/ Yes he can get traded, so Philly can expect a market, but Foles should expect nothing.

        • RSH

          And the Eagles reportedly want first and third round picks for Foles. No.

          • T. Jensen

            But but super bowl MVP OMG

          • T. Jensen

            I actually would love Foles as our bridge QB but not for that price.

      • Nick

        I’m not getting it either.

        • T. Jensen

          Dude had a killer half against us that one time. Forget all the rest of the stuff you know.

      • Rob Rooney

        He hasn’t had a chance at extended starting to prove he is or isn’t that good. He is the ever mysterious and hard to find ‘potential’ guy until he can prove it one way or the other with more starts.

      • Yahmule

        Well, he’s not made from porcelain. That’s one huge advantage. As to why he wasn’t playing, he was being blocked by a guy the Brown family was paying $16M a season. Young Kurt Warner could have been on the roster and he would have never out down the clipboard unless the Red Rifle got broken.

        To me, the riskiest thing is to award a journeyman with a half a decade of shitty tape $20M a season right after his unlikely to be repeated career year.

        The depressed market for McCarron is what smart teams would recognize as a buying opportunity.

        • gobroncos

          I mean, if he was better than the red rocket, then he should have been playing. The fact he wasn’t, is indicative of his talents. The red rocket is a middling QB, which would make AJ somewhat less than middling. Not exactly what we want.

          • T. Jensen

            Cincinnati has had the same middling coach for the last forever. I’m not 100% sure we can realistically rely on their team’s ability to pull the trigger and replace someone…

          • gobroncos

            True, but if AJ were a special Talent, I think any coach would have pulled the trigger. It could be close enough that it’s not worth upsetting the balance. That being said, if it is that close, then maybe he is barely better than TS and it WOULD be an improvement. But for the price? Meh….

          • Yahmule

            Who said he was a special talent? I just think he’s better than Keenum @ probably half the price. Siemian has demonstrated his inability to play well for more than short stretches.

          • gobroncos

            Nobody said he was a special talent. That was proposed to prove he wasn’t since he never beat out red rocket to start.

            Guess it doesn’t matter now that they’ve chosen Keenum.

            For the record, I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Just don’t know enough about AJ to say whether he’s better than Keenum. I’m not that enamored with Keenum’s 1 yr. wonder status either.

          • PiperAR

            Key phrase being “should have been”. On a well run team, yes. On the Bengals, who the hell knows.

          • Yahmule

            You don’t know Mike Brown.

  • The Color Orange
    • That would be great, really. But I am sure he’s just waiting for Cousins to set the market. Even at 37, he’s not taking a penny less per year than Cousins… and I don’t blame him. What sucks about falling back to Keenum (apart from he’s just not a difference maker) is that it likely means not going BPA at 5 overall.

      • Tim

        But there’s a deadline for the Saints. If I read it correctly, they would have an $18 million dead money cap hit this year plus whatever contract he signs if they don’t agree to a deal by the 14th

        https://247sports.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/Bolt/Drew-Brees-can-listen-to-offers-starting-Monday-115592068

        • I read that as well, but Cousins deal should be known by then, no? I just don’t see him leaving NO after all these years and the team on the uptick. He is my first choice, no doubt.

          • Tim

            Would the Saints pay a 3 year $90+ to Brees?

          • Probably, no? Otherwise, as we found out the last couple years, all their progress on defense is meaningless.

    • Sparks

      How much longer can Brees realistically play for? He’s 39 and last year he had the lowest yardage and TD’s since his final year in San Diego….in 2005. I think he’s a fantastic talent and by all accounts is a super human being but I’m just wondering how viable a long term solution he’d really be.

      • JMac

        At the end of last season I caught a game or two, and I mentioned to the person I was watching with that there were some throws missed he would have made 12 months ago… His velocity was just a touch off, and he’ll have to compensate.

  • The Color Orange
  • RSH
    • ohiobronco

      Fire up Ole Betsy and fire off a few test faxes.

  • RSH
    • Tim

      I see Colvin being priced out of Denver’s range unfortunately

      • Nick

        Me too.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      So our Nickel Corner, Bradley Roby, got married, and took HER last name? So progressive!!!

  • RSH
  • Nick

    Managers, start your tampering.

    • RSH
    • RSH
      • Nick

        In one of his books, George Carlin had massive lists of oxymorons, redundancies, and euphemisms that should all be thrown into the garbage bin of the history of the English language. I’ll have to dig that out some time.

        • Carsonic

          “Pre-boarding: board…. before you board?”

          • Nick

            Oh, he devoted a whole monologue to the misusage of the prefix “pre-“.

          • RSH

            Yes. This should be Preliminary, Advanced, and/or Preferred Boarding.

          • Nick

            Also, they say “time get on the plane”, I say, fuck you, I’m getting in the plane!

            Let Evel Knievel get on the plane!

          • Carsonic

            Lol, thanks I’d forgotten that line!

          • PiperAR

            Get ON the plane. Fuck that, I’m getting IN!

        • Yahmule

          George saw all this shit coming.

          https://youtu.be/rsL6mKxtOlQ

        • Sparks

          Near-miss – Fuck that, it was a near hit.

      • RSH
        • PiperAR

          That’s a name worthy of a triple crown winner. A triple crown winner needs an epic name. Funny Cide… is unworthy.

  • PiperAR

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20351278/redefining-way-look-nfl-highest-paid-qbs
    As of the date of this article, August 2017, the all time highest QB contract was Matt Ryan 2013.
    To equal Matt Ryan’s 2013 contract would require $30.2 APY today.
    As of the date of the article, 7 QB’s APY was greater than 15% of the cap. Ten QBs were over 10% but under 15%.
    For as much of a mess as the Saint’s cap supposedly is in, Brees is “only” the 9th highest paid QB.

    • PiperAR

      Two points to dicker about the methodology used:
      1. This looks at the APY of the first three years of the contract because “that is when money is most likely to be paid out”. One could say that its better to look at the life of the contract. By looking at 3 years, backloaded money unlikely to be paid is eliminated. Brees isn’t going to be playing in 5 years so you could give him a $100 million non-guaranteed salary in year 5 of the contract.
      2. It looks at the salary cap the year the deal was signed. One could say it would be better to average the salary cap over the first three years. The cap at the time of signing is known, future cap is estimated. Future cap estimates are good for contract structure, but IMO not for making the best apples-to-apples for contracts in different years. Since future caps are beyond the control of the QB or the team, if future cap changes push any given QB up or down a few spots, that’s because of luck.

  • RSH
    • Yikes. Welp that signing turned out well for the Mark Davis Hair Helmets.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Has that ever stopped the Raiders before?

  • If nothing else I’m excited that Sanders just liked my Brees tweet! https://twitter.com/craigary/status/973227724088131586

    • RSH

      I think you need to be on the plane with Elway & Co. to recruit Brees.

    • PiperAR

      Dude, you just compromised your secret identity.

      • T. Jensen

        underdog no longer under cover

        • Meh I’ve posted my own tweets here before. Anyone trolls me, I can handle it. 😉

          • Yahmule

            Challenge accepted! I’ve been blocked by the best.

  • RSH
  • The Color Orange
  • Steven Searls

    Let’s at least be on the same page about one thing: all the other teams in our division have their franchise QB (one can argue how good Mahomes will prove to be, but KC is committed to him). We do not. Is it any wonder we ended up last in our division? Yes, our O-line sucks and VJ didn’t do much to inspire me as our HC, but until we have that Alpha QB in hand, we are going nowhere.

    • PiperAR

      Third in the division in 2016 when we didn’t have a franchise QB and the rivals did. Yet #4 in the AFC in point differential. 2016 Broncos were more worthy of a playoff spot than Houston or Miami.

  • RSH

    One potential FA RT is off the market.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973232618807398400

  • RSH
  • JMac

    I haven’t had access to ESPN for a long time, and don’t feel I’m missing anything. It seems like they are going to have to change their model at some point:
    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/973229711831814144

    • John

      I would like to see FOX get SNF someday, and the AFC and NFC go back to NBC and CBS like it’s supposed to be (with the NFL Network and another network televising MNF, and no TNF because it’s a waste).

      • RSH

        I like this idea a lot. The AFC returning to NBC and NFC returning to CBS would bring back all sorts of nostalgia.

  • Nick

    I don’t know what was worse to see on my Twitter feed: a major insider retweeting Spotrac, or someone tweeting a picture of Tom Brady’s lacerated hand.

  • RSH
    • Nick

      Who?

      I didn’t have him on my radar at all as a possible Chiefs comp pick candidate. But if that holds, that’s a likely solid 4th for them. Bummer, let’s hope they cancel that out.

    • royalwithcheese

      He was a good player for them last year. Glad to see he’s heading out of the division.

  • RSH
  • The Color Orange
  • RSH
  • JMac
  • JMac
    • Nick

      Good, absolutely no need to rush on Anderson’s fate.

  • RSH
    • royalwithcheese

      That’s a terrible offer. Seriously insulting.

      • Nick

        Could be even worse news for Todd Davis.

        ILBs are even worse at getting good deals than RBs are these days.

    • As RWC said, that’s a bad offer. It’s true that inside linebacker isn’t a premium position but Williamson, who is Tier One, should get $5M APY in free agency.

      Tier two guys are the ones who will get the $3M to $4M APY salaries. That’s what Todd Davis should expect.

      Corey Nelson will have to take a depth player contract of no more than $2M APY.

      In both cases, it increases the chances of either player coming back to the Broncos, provided they don’t sign another ILB.

      • RSH

        I hope that we re-sign Nelson, let Davis go, and finally select an inside linebacker this draft.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          I’m with you all the way on this one.

  • The Color Orange
    • Nick

      That would be something. I like Barrett but they’re going to have to decide between him or Ray soon, and if they can get a 2nd rounder out of being forced to make that decision then that’s not the end of the world.

      • Jeremy

        I agree. Would second rounder be in 2018 or 2019?

        • It would be 2018. If a team has no 2018 second-round pick, they can’t sign either Barrett or Paradis to an offer sheet.

          • Nick

            So that means that the Texas, Seahawks, Rams, Saints, and Eagles are out.

            Unless they want to work with Denver to get a second rounder somehow, that’d be something.

          • Nick

            Also, the Browns were rumored to want Barrett as part of the nearly executed Joe Thomas trade. If they want to sign Barrett to an offer sheet, they’d have to give up #33. That would enter into “an offer he can’t refuse” territory.

      • jeez yeah I’d do this in a heartbeat (if I was Broncos). I like Shaq but turning an undrafted FA into a 2nd rounder, where you can draft a better replacement? Sure.

  • I’ll throw out a couple of tidbits I know about from those who write for Mile High Huddle.

    * Broncos are still talking to the Dolphins about a possible trade for RT Ju’Wuan James.
    * The Broncos had interest in CB Aaron Colvin but it appears he has priced himself out of their range.
    * Broncos are keeping a close eye on FA tight ends. They do like Trey Burton but are concerned he’ll price himself too high.

    • RSH

      Thank you for these insider insights!

  • RSH
    • Nick

      Sherman can be obnoxious but he’s obnoxiously correct about this one.

      • Drewredux

        One of the reasons I can’t bring myself to get a Twitter account is that Richard has to actually spell out this concept to his audience.

        • Nick

          Team sports are unfortunate in that they’re naturally designed to have fans favor management over labor.

          • T. Jensen

            I favor labor over management as long as the labor is employed by the Broncos. 🙂

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      You’re absolutely correct, Sherm. That’s why I’ve ALWAYS loved you!

      • Nick

        Sadly for all of us, I have to call bullshit on the all caps “always”, unless you left off the sarcasm font.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          I got lazy. To be fair, I do really like him now that he’s in Santa Clara.

  • RSH

    Once Zach Strief heard that Drew Brees is signing with the Broncos, he decided to hang it up. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/Saints/status/973244993031860226

    • I hope that presser lasts 6 hours, while the Broncos are talking to and finalizing a deal with Brees.

  • RSH
  • royalwithcheese
    • Nick

      The problem is whether Glenn can play RT well, assuming the talks of Bolles staying at LT remain true.

      • RSH

        I like Glenn at RT 100 times more than Bolles at that position.

      • royalwithcheese

        Pretty sure he played some RT in college and for the Bills.

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      He really teases teams with his potential. Hard to believe he’s still only 25. He’s not quite boom or bust in that I don’t think he’ll ever really blossom, but I think he’ll have value anyway.

      I actually think the Broncos have a couple of promising young tight ends in Butt and Traylor. I hope we don’t expend resources there unless it’s a day three pick or a lottery ticket FA signing.

  • royalwithcheese

    I like CJ, but getting anything for him would be great.

    https://twitter.com/cecillammey/status/973245293293686784?s=21

    • Nick

      If the 49ers are interested, that has to be the favored destination by far. Lynch+NFC+possible sore feelings about Gase.

      • Yahmule

        He also grew up and went to high school and college in the area.

      • I do not want to see him land with the Pats.

        • Carsonic

          A-fricking-men.

    • I can tell you that the Broncos are still having discussions with the Dolphins about acquiring Ju’Wuan James and the Dolphins are interested in Anderson. While nothing is a given, a trade for James that involves Anderson is something I wouldn’t mind.

      • Yahmule

        Bizarre how relatively uncommon the straight player for player swap remains in the NFL.

      • Nick

        Do you have any idea if Menelik Watson can pass a physical before his 2018 base becomes fully guaranteed? That could be a factor in considering acquiring James.

        • royalwithcheese

          Couldn’t they reach some sort of injury settlement if not?

          • Nick

            Hard to see Watson agreeing to that. His value will likely be much lower on the market than what could be guaranteed to him by Denver.

      • royalwithcheese

        Thanks, Bob! I’d be all for that.

  • RSH
  • Nick
  • RSH
    • Nick

      I wonder if he’ll end up back in Pittsburgh as a bridge for the Steelers to try to replace Shazier.

  • Yahmule

    Pretty decent article by Armando Salguero. He broadly outlines how the Dolphins are failing and preaches caution about trading for CJ Anderson.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article204124584.html

  • RSH
  • RSH
  • Texans making a strong run at Solder and Malcolm Butler per PFT.

    • Nick

      Patriots South.

    • Tim

      I would be so happy if Solder goes anywhere else. Retirement, Broncos, Texans, they all make me happy.

  • PiperAR

    As of right now, McCarron is my favorite FA QB after Cousins. If anyone cares.

    If committed to drafting a QB at #5 or (dog forbid) higher, go cheap in FA. If spending in FA, commit to that QB and go best player at 5, hopefully Nelson gets past Indy.

    • cjfarls

      unless its for less than $12m, I don’t see much advantage to McCarron compared to TS.
      McCarron as a stop gap on a cheap-ish deal is fine… roll the dice. I just wouldn’t be surprised if TS beats him out in camp. We need options to hope one pans out… but evidence of McCarron being “the solution” are basically ‘nil.

      • PiperAR

        That depends if one believes “if McCarron was any good, he would have passed Andy Dalton” or “McCarron was buried behind Dalton because that’s how the Bengals do things”. While A may be true, I find B to at least be plausable. Also depends if one wants to buy Keenum after a career year, or bet on the more unknown McCarron.

        If committing to drafting a QB at 5, standing pat with TS, PL, or swap TS for BO at the same or lower price, is perfectly fine with me. The only downside I see is the groan from the fanbase. Oh no, THAT guy again?

        • This and it’s as simple as McCarron is more talented than Siemian, with more QB experience in college as well. I don’t think he’s hugely better, or the next Drew Brees, but he has a higher ceiling and the Bengals didn’t give him much of an opp.

    • Yahmule

      I really don’t understand the $20M bridge QB scenario where we sign Case and draft a QB @ 5. Just sounds like expending a hellish amount of resources to purposely drag yourself into a quarterback controversy.

    • royalwithcheese

      If they go with a “bridge” QB, I’d prefer Teddy.

      • Yahmule

        We need a chart to divide the Stud quarterbacks, the Bridge quarterbacks and the Go Fish quarterbacks.

        • Rob Rooney

          Don’t forget about the fishes and loaves QB’s!

          • PiperAR

            I know this one! I know this one!

  • Nick

    Schefter just said on the air that it will be “difficult” for the Broncos to land Cousins and doesn’t think he’ll go there.

    • Any reason provided – doesn’t like Denver, weak o-line, team not good enough, $ not as high as Vikings, doesn’t want to compete with Lynch?

      • Nick

        I didn’t pick up any specific reason, though he did say that the Broncos are a competitive place that are capable of winning now.

        I’d guess it’s the prevailing wisdom that the Vikings can win even quicker, and that the Jets can outspend everyone.

        • I will say, I would not be offended if someone chose Minnesota over Denver, since they have comparable to better talent. I would be offended, and take it as slap at Denver if they chose Cleveland over us. (Even after all their moves last week.)

          • Yahmule

            I can see picking Minnesota over Denver, but I can’t imagine picking Minnesota over Colorado.

          • RSH

            The two things working against Minnesota are the winters and no mountains. Otherwise, it is a phenomenal place to live and raise a family. The Twin Cities is a phenomenal metro area.

          • bradley

            MN is the Land of 10,000 Lakes. It’s a nice place with beautiful women.
            The LA Lakers hail from there.

          • Yahmule

            Who needs that many lakes? Every goddamn place I go I gotta drive around some body of water? Bullshit.

          • RSH

            Have you been to Minnesota, and in particular, Minneapolis-Saint Paul? I had the same trepidation about the place when I had to move there in tenth grade from Southern California. I can assure you that besides the extreme cold and lack of mountains, it is a great to place to live and work. Minnesota and the Twin Cities have many excellent schools, employers, restaurants, museums, trails, etc. I made many lifelong friends there. You will also find a vast number of individuals with similar political positions to yours there.

          • Nick

            One thing I’ve always wanted to do is to do some bike riding in MSP. I’ve heard it’s a contender for the top five metros in that regard. Of course, I have to do it at the correct time of year.

          • I’ve biked there. It was pretty great. First time I had ever seen those bike rental deals where you pay like $6 a day.

          • bradley

            And they have Ole / Lena jokes.

          • Yahmule

            Soon. Looking forward to it. The Twins are coming up in our MLB stadium tour. Saying I believe I would rather live in CO isn’t a slam on MN. You have five knee surgeries and a hip replacement and then tell me how great it is to live in a place that spends that much time below zero.

          • Yahmule

            And lots of NFL guys can relate to painful joints. Why have painful joints in MN when you can have the much more jolly kind of joints we feature here in CO?

          • RSH

            I prefer living in Colorado to Minnesota as well. I was not advocating for you to move there. I was just pointing out some of the state’s positive aspects.

          • Nick

            Cousins also grew up in the Midwest.

          • Yahmule
          • Yahmule
          • Nick

            Two very, very regular songs used as commercial bumpers on Broncos national broadcasts.

          • Yahmule
          • Nick

            Built To Spill is the most noteworthy music associated with here.

          • Carsonic

            Probably my 2 favorite songs to hear coming out of the lodge at Powderhorn as I finish a run.

          • Carsonic

            Well, 35 years ago when I was skiing Powderhorn, anyway.

          • Yahmule

            Harsh winters, humid summers and not enough geographical or demographic diversity. Might be nice, but it’s no CO.

          • bradley

            My mother used to winter there. (We were all born there.)

          • PiperAR

            Hey! It’s got Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Germans, and Irish!

        • T. Jensen

          Just my own opinion but if I were Cousins Denver is the last place (besides Cleveland) I’d want to go. Cousins is a good QB but I think he knows he’s not a HOFer and will never live up to Elway and now Manning. This is one of the harder places to play as QB we nitpick and compare more than any other team. Its a huge shadow and burden to live under.

          Manning already created his own legacy, he didn’t have to worry about that in coming here.

          • Nick

            I’ll admit that I’ll never understand this argument. I want a QB that has the confidence to take on such pressure head on.

          • DragonPie

            How can you say we’re demanding when so many were willing to embrace Tebow?

          • Nick

            Tebow fans do not necessarily equal Broncos fans.

          • T. Jensen

            I was both but I’m a fan of all Broncos while they’re broncos. I can take my orange glasses off once they are out of uniform.

          • PiperAR

            Tebow was special.

          • Nick
          • cjfarls

            I think that is true, but also winning cures everything. DEN offers a better chance to win IMO than many places. We’re a team where competent QB play would take us a long way, so if you’re a competent QB, we should be desirable.
            That said, Minny seems like an obvious landing spot. Talented roster, more cap room… hard to see our comparative advantage.

  • Zach Strief retires.
    And Steve Gleason is there!
    https://twitter.com/MikeTriplett/status/973245472608485376

  • Nick
    • cjfarls

      Wow… nuts spending that much with Howard sitting behind him. Guess they don’t see Howard taking the #1 job anytime soon.

    • Yahmule

      Perfectly reasonable for a player of Brate’s ability and they’ve got OJ on a rookie deal.

      • cjfarls

        Interesting to see the nature of the guaruntees…. If that $18m is mostly injury only, this could be smoke and mirrors where he gets paid nicely for a year or 2, but then TB moves on if/when Howard takes command.

        If that is a signing bonus, that locks Brate in as their #1 for probably 4 years which semi-strands their asset acquired last year in Howard.

        • Yahmule

          Might be seeing a lot of 12 personnel sets out of them. Pretty mismatchy when you factor in their enormous #1 WR.

  • Yahmule

    Over The Cap’s prominence as a trusted source can be measured by how slowly the site is moving today. :~)

    • Nick

      Sorry. We’re not happy with the host at all, I knew we should have tried to switch before free agency started. A lesson learned.

  • ohiobronco
    • That’s really odd (and he tagged himself… weirdo). Unless he has the offers in hand now (or before considering how much time Elway has spent with his agent recently) and Denver just isn’t in the ballpark…

      • royalwithcheese

        It’s been pretty clear for a few days at least that it’s down to those two teams. I’m hoping that Elway pivots hard to RT/ILB/CB/TE and waits out the QB market. Go with McCown, Bridgewater or Bradford on a one-year deal and get the QBOTF in the draft.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Yes, please.

    • JMac
    • Stupid Cousins, we didn’t want you anyway!

      A cool brees blowing would make things feel better.

      Or as others have noted, 1 year deal with a solid vet and draft his replacement (give me Baker or Josh… Rosen). Or the guard in the first and Lamar J in the 2nd. Fine with any of these.

  • Nick
    • Carsonic

      Hm, she must be thinking of the NPFL. Honest mistake.

    • Yahmule

      Another Trump emboldened piece of trash.

    • VonSwenson

      So they’re “bad guys” to her. It’s lucky she didn’t shoot them.

  • JMac

    Former Friend gets a second round tender – I’,m so happy to see him succeeding, I wish we had held onto him a little longer: https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/973272112671621121

  • royalwithcheese
    • Tim

      I like this a lot better than Keenum at $20+ a year

    • PiperAR

      Depending on the price, I’d like it.

    • BlackKnigh

      I think this may happen.

    • DCJ1

      I’d be better with a low priced potential QB like AJ as a bridge than a mid-priced potential one-hit wonder like Keenum.

    • RSH

      If the market is as tepid for McCarron as posted earlier in today’s Orange Overview, this may be feasible. If McCarron is willing to come here not expecting to break the bank, I can live with it. As Yahmule as pointed out, McCarron did not shy away from or shrink in big moments at Alabama.

      • How about McCarron + Quenton Nelson R1 + Lamar in R2?

        • Yahmule

          Or even explore some of the quarterbacks beyond Rudolph. Give a McCarron/Kelly/rookie paradigm a go for a year. Draft Nelson and a running back like Robert Jones.

          • cjfarls

            yeah, I’m not totally against going with something like that. Depends on who is available at 5… if one of the top 3, we have to take them. The hope is not to be drafting that high again.

            This only works though if McCarron’s deal is cheap enough that we can move on in 2019 though.

            But if folks jump us for Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold… grab Nelson/Barkley and see what’s available later…. LJ or Allen might drop to the late 1st (and conceivably worth moving up for), or grab a different rookie at 40 (I don’t think any of the top-5 make it there).

            If we don’t get Cousins/Brees, we’re likely looking at another highish pick next year unless one of the QBs is showing strong promise. No need to reach as long as we have high-upside/reasonable cost guys competing. It leads to a painful season (as last year), but ultimately may be the best for the long-term.

          • Yahmule

            We go this route, we can also afford a RT that’s not bottom of the barrel and a decent slot CB.

          • BlackKnigh

            McCarron/Mike White/ TS would work in Denver. Take Mike White in the 3rd or 4th.

        • Drewredux

          But you probably can’t ask McCarron to run a scheme fit for Jackson.

        • royalwithcheese

          I’d be OK with this, though I don’t see Elway putting the franchise into LJ’s hands.

  • Passing on a little more info from MHH:

    Broncos are expected to make offers to Kirk Cousins and Drew Brees. Whether they get either one to sign remains to be seen, though.

    They will also continue to talk with Case Keenum and his agent, but he remains Plan B.

    No other QBs right now, but I can tell you what the Broncos’ mindset about FA QBs was this.

    Plan A: Kirk Cousins (they had expected Brees to stay with the Saints and are only now pitching offers now that he hasn’t yet re-signed)
    Plan B: Case Keenum
    Plan C: Trade for Tyrod Taylor (they had talks but never made a formal offer. Browns jumped in with an offer the Bills couldn’t pass up)
    Plan D: Everyone else.

    Remember that Plan D is going to be the true definition of a cheap QB. The other plans vary in price, but none would be “cheap.”

    • RSH

      Again, I seriously appreciate you sharing this information with us. Can we now call you old friend? 🙂

      • Call me already, call me what you will, say I’m old fashioned, say I’m over the hill…

        (I’d pull out a Simpsons reference instead, but I don’t have one at the ready.)

    • Plan D would seem to point to the most likely of the scenarios that would involve drafting QB with first pick, too, I assume. (Probably obvious.)

    • royalwithcheese

      Good to see that plan D is a “cheap QB.” No need to pay anyone that’s not listed above. In fact, I’d rather they not pay Keenum. Improve the rest of the roster and get the QB in the draft.

  • Yahmule

    So, my wife’s 84 year old uncle Cliff might be my favorite person on her side of the family. He’s been a Bronco fan since they began, but has never attended a game in Denver. My wife and I plan to change that by taking him to an early season game in 2018 before the weather gets too cold. He’s a Korean War veteran. Anyone have any advice on who would I contact in the Bronco front office about getting him recognized during the game?

    • Jeremy

      Twitter maybe? I would think Andrew Mason would be helpful with this

    • RSH

      Contact Patrick Smyth or Andrew Mason.

    • Yahmule

      Thanks fellas.

  • The Color Orange
    • Not surprising. Would rather acquire the Dolphin dude and fix the rest in the draft.

      • Nick

        I’m an advocate for acquiring James, but do know that he won’t be cheap either at over $9M in 2018 unless they renegotiate his contract.

        • True. I mean obviously they’re gonna have to pay out a bit to upgrade that OL, even knowing they’ll also bring in draftees, just would rather it be for someone younger at least.

  • bradley

    Ranking all 32 offensive lines from the 2017 NFL season

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-from-the-2017-nfl-season

    23. DENVER BRONCOS
    Total pressures surrendered: 207
    Best player: Ron Leary
    Combinations used: 16

    Broncos fans were probably not sure what to expect from their offensive line in 2017 as the team had three new starters in their first game. Guard Ron Leary proved to be a perfect free agent signing as he has quickly become Denver’s best offensive lineman and he played well both in pass protection and run blocking. The acquisition of right tackle Menelik Watson was not so successful and he was replaced after allowing nine sacks through seven games. Rookie left tackle Garett Bolles showed some good signs in run-blocking, but struggled in pass protection and was called for 14 penalties, tied for the second-most among offensive tackles. Overall, the unit finished the season by giving up the second-most sacks (32) and the fourth-most pressures (207) while also having the third-lowest pass-blocking efficiency rating (75.1) in the NFL.

    • Nick

      My eye test said that, while they weren’t good, they were better than 2016 and they weren’t dead last in the league.

      • Nick

        Oh wait, 23, not 32. Dyslexia got the best of me.

        Also interesting that MIN came in just one slot ahead of DEN. Note that, Kirk Cousins.

      • cjfarls

        RT those first 6-7 games was just painful…. seemed to marginally improve mid-season, and I thought the run blocking was better overall…. but poor TS those first few weeks.

    • PiperAR

      For as much angst directed at the O line around here, it’s important to remember that 9 teams had it worse. Perspective. It’s good to have.

      • Yahmule

        I was sad that I had no shoes, then I saw a man who had no feet.

        Then I lost all my toes to frostbite and my mood darkened again.

      • Nick

        Just barely bottom ten!

  • Nick
    • Would he be MORE of a let down than Keenum? I don’t think so, and some Broncos fans even like the upside or the idea. This seems a patronizing tweet, of course the fan base would be let down after the dropoff from Brees or Cousins, especially after the latter was hyped up for us for months.

      • Tim

        Agreed completely. As long as Rosen or Mayfield come with McCarron. My big let down would involve trading for Foles and also trading up for Allen, but I highly doubt that will happen.

        • G Mik

          If you draft a QB #5 overall you have to play him in his first year – why waste $15M on a backup QB? This to me would be the worst of ALL scenarios. If you sign McCarron your QB has to come in rounds 2 and beyond or your wasting money or a pick.

          • cjfarls

            This is my point too… paying McCarron $15+m would be iffy… definitely stupid if it has any dead money in 2019. If McCarron wants to come play on a 1-year prove it contract for $10m… I welcome it. But otherwise I don’t see a lot of upside over TS/PL or a draft pick (even if its just someone remaining at #40).

      • T. Jensen

        Keenum’s ceiling was 2017 and I don’t know if that was a peak or a plateau…

    • The Color Orange
      • BlackKnigh

        This is pure BS.

        • Yahmule

          Eh, it’s his opinion. One a lot of people here share. I think McCarron got bounced around by SEC defenses for three years without breaking and he was quarterback of two BCS Champions. He played mistake free football in the first championship game and was terrific in the second one. He played well in his only chances spelling Dalton, too. I mean, jeez, even Brock Osteoporosis got a season and half to prove he was a bum. Siemian got two and showed that he can’t perform through nagging injuries.

    • PiperAR

      Douchebags gonna douchebag. Half his tweets make me want to punch his face, or worse, ruin his hair.

      • BlackKnigh

        Ruining his hair would give him a permanent complex.

  • Nick

    OK, weather is beautiful here, I need to go outside and get some exercise before I get pent up in the house for the rest of the week.

    Knowing my luck, there will be a zillion deals agreed to, some of which involve the Broncos.

  • The Color Orange
    • bradley

      5 years ago? When it allegedly happened?

      • JMac

        Boy did he have a baby-face in 2013 (His sophomore year) – He looks quite scary now with the receding hairline and goatee:
        https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/8292d44e8d8a3c7cd8e5ac54ed8cadc8987f22c0/c=446-96-2053-1506&r=x408&c=540×405/local/-/media/USATODAY/test/2013/08/18/1376858800000-cxx-gotsis-mug-19.jpg

        • RSH

          Man, he lost his hair rapidly.

          • RyanHennigan

            Many performance enhancing drugs will do that to someone.

          • The Color Orange

            I had the same thought.

          • JMac

            When he came back so much bigger in year 2, I thought the same thing… The hair certain doesn’t dissuade the notion

          • Carsonic
          • PiperAR

            See Hogan, Hulk. Savage, Macho Man.
            It’s also true that I went to high school with 3 brothers and each of them saw their hair completely migrate from their scalp to their back before they were halfway to 30.

          • Yahmule

            I think two guys from my high school were roiding. Backne for days, aggressive and volatile personalities and some other reasons too lengthy to go into.

          • PiperAR

            If it were up to me, cops would subject to random roid tests. Those who are over 6’2 250 lbs and curb stomp handcuffed women because they are bitch kicking on the ground would be more random than others.

      • RSH

        There is a 15-year statute of limitations for forcible rape under Georgia law. I wonder if Harvey Steinberg will waive in on a pro hac vice motion to represent Gotsis.

      • Drewredux

        Don’t charges normally require evidence? Or can somebody be charged on mere allegations, then they try to gather evidence?

        The Broncos statement confuses me a little, because if he was charged, why would the question of moving forward with prosecution be in doubt?

    • Nick

      Well…this is not what I had in mind as far as missing news went. Sigh. I’ll read up on this later.

  • The Color Orange

    Well, the Vikings aren’t all in on Cousins.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973290925383438338

    • RSH

      Robert Stack would be loving the start to this free agency period.

    • PiperAR

      Leaving Kirk Cousins at the altar to run off with Drew Brees would be some major soap opera shit right there.

  • royalwithcheese
    • Tim

      I do worry about the Bills acquiring a lot of draft capital in an attempt to jump us and grab Mayfield or Rosen

      • cjfarls

        If they do, grab Nelson or Barkley, and it becomes more likely LJ or Allen drop enough in the round that we can grab a tier 2 person there.

      • The Color Orange
        • RSH
          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Ha. I don’t think that era really ever existed.

          • Tim

            I’m curious who they would be targeting. I could see a scenario playing out where”
            1. Cleveland takes Darnold
            2. Buffalo trades up to take Rosen/Mayfield
            3. Broncos/Jets trade up to take Rosen/Mayfield

            And then Allen goes to the Broncos/Jets.

          • RSH

            So many scenarios at play. I think Buffalo or Cleveland may want Allen based on his arm strength for games in Buffalo or Cleveland, as well as on the road against many of their respective division opponents.

    • https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/973296959762165760

      Bills now can offer a more attractive draft pick package to move up into the top five — something I know they are trying to do.

      • Tim

        That Just made the Broncos move up more expensive.

        • RSH

          We just need let the chips fall where they may in the first round.

        • Only if the team in question is OK with trading out of the top 10.

          I can tell you the Colts don’t want to move out of the top 10, because there are players they like who they would miss out on if they move that far down.

          Giants are the real wild card here. Lot of conflicting reports about what they want to do.

          • I could see Browns moving down from their #4 spot.

          • cjfarls

            Depends on if they take a QB or Barkley at #1. If they are still looking for a QB at #4, they may be unwilling to move.

          • The Browns may be taking a QB No. 1 overall now. Bills making it clear they want to move up, so if the Browns took Barkley No. 1, the QB the Browns want may not be available, even if the Bills did trade to No. 2 to take Allen. Jets or Broncos could then jump up to No. 3 and take the QB the Browns want the most.

          • cjfarls

            yep – all depends on whether the Browns like the top 3 equally, or if they really have a preference. If they have a preference, they should take that QB at #1. If not, they can get their top-graded non-QB and see what happens.

          • Tim

            That’s a good point. I see the Bills trading to the Giants with the Broncos/Jets trying to trade up to #3. Either way it makes it more expensive

      • The Color Orange

        If it’s any consolation, Allbright thinks it’s for Josh Allen. This could actually be a good thing.
        https://twitter.com/JeremyNPike/status/973298547029311488

        • BlackKnigh

          Yeah!

      • per pick value chart, the #12 and #22 would be equivalent to between the #3 and #4 overall.

      • Jeremy

        About equivalent to a mid 2nd rounder. I’m guessing they would have rather sent him and a fourth to the broncos for our second to give you an idea of the price we would have had to match

      • cjfarls

        If I’m Buffalo, maybe do I sit tight at 12 for now?
        Lets say they like all of the top 5 QBs….. they figure CLE, NYG, DEN and NYJ want a QB…. they are sitting pretty good at 12 to get one of the top 5 guys… and if 4 QBs go in the top 6, they can explore a cheaper move up for the 5th QB to beat out AZ/MIA who may also be in the market.

      • Yahmule

        Called this last week, but missed it by one draft spot.

        http://disq.us/p/1qntght

    • RSH
  • RSH
    • Paco Alonzo

      That is the exact jersey I have wanted for a long time.

    • VonSwenson

      I would like to have heard him sing the jersey.

  • Tim

    Bills are said to like Allen a lot and are trying to trade up top 5 to secure him. I would be pretty happy if that was true and not just a giant smoke screen

    • RSH

      This makes sense. Buffalo may want Allen based on his arm strength for its home games, as well as on the road against New England and the Jets, where wind, cold, and inclement weather are always a factor.

      • Drewredux

        Other than maybe Darnold, he almost has to be the guy they love. For all the reasons you stated, of course.

        • Tim

          All great points RSH and Drew. I also have a hard time seeing the Bills owner loving Rosen’s personality, they seem to be a bit too conservative for him. Total speculation on my part

    • The Color Orange
      • Tim

        Still feel the colts would be better off staying in the top five and getting Chubb or Nelson. But Colts will be Colts

      • RSH

        The Bills trading to three to take Allen would be simply stellar.

        • Tim

          I’m seeing:
          1. Darnold
          2. Rosen
          3. Allen
          4. Mayfield

          First draft with 4 QBs as the top 4 picks?

          • cjfarls

            In that scenario, DEN takes Nelson?
            Or do we move up for one of these folks?

          • RSH

            To quote Ferris Bueller, this scenario would be “so choice.”

  • RSH
    • Jeremy

      I guess we should have been working his sister all along

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        How do you know Von hasn’t?

    • Russ

      This might as well say, “I wondered why those in the know kept saying Kirk Cousins has a sister in AZ. Turns out Kirk Cousins has a sister in AZ…” Just remarkably stupid “reporting”.

    • RSH
  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Yes, I believe they will.

      • Drewredux

        That’d be pretty hardcore for Brees to walk away from the city that adored him as he resurrected his career. It was a Brees-heavy leaning symbiotic relationship, for sure, but whatever happened to a little loyalty and sentimentality?

        I mean, Brees’s kids’ kids, tops, are the first in his gene pool at this point in any danger of a dog food and gutter water diet.

        Couple extra mil at this point v. breaking the hearts of least a 1,000,000 fans? That’d be a no brained for me.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          N.O. Loyalty aside, wouldn’t it be great to have Brees here winning for a couple of years, while Mayfield learns from him…and then takes the reins, ala Aaron Rodgers?

          • T. Jensen

            Dude that is the best scenario ever, except Mayfield would win more Super Bowls then Rodger of course.

          • Yahmule

            Sign Brees and keep him until the real Aaron Rodgers gets old, then sign him. :~)

          • RSH

            I like your thinking! We can’t draft and develop quarterbacks, but we sure can sign and win with elite free agent quarterback signings.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Pass that shit over here! =^}

  • RSH
    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      He any good? (yes, I’m too lazy to look myself…Hoping someone knows off the top of their head).

      • JMac

        Was wondering the same thing… The Rotoworld headline I click through said one of the worst performing tackles last year. He was due 2.25M, and they cut him, so I can’t imagine he’s great

        • That was sort of the review on Watson last year + injury prone, and Denver still gave him a big deal. How did Musgrave not save them from that signing, or did they not bother to ask him? And didn’t someone recently call Watson the worst person/teammate ever?

          • iowabronco

            No, worst teammate was Ray Finkle on the Dolphins.

          • Kush-Lash

            Hahaha!

          • BlackKnigh

            I doubt that he was asked – or if he was – they felt the need was too great at RT to let the risk of injury stop them. That is when they had a decent RT candidate sitting on their roster named Michael Schofield.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Ugh, thanks.

      • RSH

        Newhouse is definitely on the down slope of his career, but it sounds like a quality guy.

        https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/973326304798896128

  • RSH
  • InSiemianWeTrust

    IF Brees goes to the Vikings, we’re in a good Cousins spot

  • Interesting from PFT:

    As one league source explained it to PFT, the early sense is that only two teams have shown serious interest in Cousins: The Jets and the Vikings.

    Other teams may have made a phone call and/or placed a ballpark number on the table, but the thinking is that the Jets and Vikings are the two truly serious candidates for Cousins’ services.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Elway is all in on Allen!

      I know we’re beating a dead horse around here regarding this joke, but it makes me laugh and cry inside every time.

      • Tim

        Hoping Allen goes to Buffalo. I’m all aboard the Rosen train!!

      • royalwithcheese

        Do you mean Keenum?

        • Urgh, Keenum had a nice year but he’s not the difference maker Denver needs… just don’t see him doing it consistently, you? Will Elway really overlook with Keenum the things he can’t on draft day – small hands, less than ideal height – because Kubes likes Keenum?

          • royalwithcheese

            Who knows. But when you hear rumors over and over in the days leading to free agency, they often turn out being true.

            I’m certainly hoping for something/someone closer to the $10M range.

    • Tim

      I’m hoping he ends up in NY. Don’t see how he doesn’t end up in Minnesota but I’m still hoping!

  • RSH
    • royalwithcheese

      Poe, Richardson or DeQuan Lyle would be sweet.

      • Wonder if they’ll consider Suh. He had nice things to say about VJ last year IIRC. Wonder what his deal will look like?

  • Nick

    Whee, I tried to reply to a comment, and Disqus decided to redirect me to a blank page on their site. Now I have to click “Load More Comments” way too many times to get the entire page back and figure out what I was going to reply to.

    I really hate that feature of Disqus, if it wasn’t evident.

  • Nick

    Jason gives both the Broncos and Rams an A for the Talib trade.

    This is a clear win-win trade. The Rams get a guys who fits their scheme perfectly and isn’t that expensive at $11 million for the season. If he plays well the prize comes next year when he is under contract for $8 million. Given where the Rams are as a team using a 5th round pick is perfectly fine. The Broncos have other pressing needs on their team and were likely going to cut Talib. To get anything back for that kind of player is great.

    He also gives the Chiefs an F for the Marcus Peters trade.

    This may have been the most surprising trade of the offseason. Peters is just 25 years old, has 19 interceptions in three seasons, and has been named to the Pro Bowl twice and has also been an All Pro. He has two cheap years remaining on his rookie contract and is in line to be the highest paid corner in the NFL when he receives an extension. Those are not players that you trade especially for nothing notable until a year later. This had to be a no brainer for the Rams. He is far better than anyone they could expect to get with that pick in 2019 and they have him for a few seasons on the cheap first.

    https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/973322047395913728

  • RSH
    • Can we assume it wasn’t for much more than the 5th the Rams gave up or did Elway really do Talib that big of a solid?

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Hopefully. Although the Rams 5th is obviously less valuable than the Niners’ this year.

        • Jeremy

          It was the Niners fourth next year, which is roughly equal to a 5th this year.

          And as others said, Talib forced Elway’s hand. When Talib threatened Elway I’m guessing the 49ers had second thoughts about the offer.

      • royalwithcheese

        Pretty sure I read it was a fourth.

      • Russ

        I don’t think Elway was actively trying to do Talib a solid at all. Talib was able to force Elway’s hand by essentially threatening to be a malcontent for whichever team he was traded to if it wasn’t one of his favorites.

      • The Color Orange

        It was a 2019 fourth rounder.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      This may explain Jason La Confora’s tweet about the Broncos having significant interest in free agent defensive linemen.

      EDIT: I did not know that you referenced that tweet in your post.

      • Nick

        I cited that at the bottom of the article.

  • FarAwayBroncoFan

    400+ comments. Offseason’s over, whoohoo!

    • Nick

      We had 800 comments the day Osweiler signed with Houston, although it was split up in multiple threads. I need to check again but I still think that was the record for most unique visits in Thin Air history.

      And we’ve of course broken four digits on game day threads before, but that’s a different animal.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Thanks for running this awesome site, Nick. Much appreciated!

  • ohiobronco
    • Interesting, thanks for posting. I wonder if the teams have considered this.

    • Jeremy

      Crazy Peyton is on that list for best QBs in two tight end sets from 2015 since that wasn’t his best year and our TEs that year were Owen Daniels, Virgil Green, and Vernon Davis/Michael Henry.

  • RSH
    • The Color Orange

      It’s baseball all over again.

      • Yahmule

        MLBPA and NFLPA thought they were helping veterans when they restricted salaries for young players. They signed the death warrants for a lot of those older guys careers. Team have such a huge advantage early in a player’s contract and they’re willing to simply let guys go when they get too expensive.

        • cjfarls

          Yes and no -NFL still has a salary floor, so SOMEBODY is presumably getting paid.
          That said, if I’m NFLPA, that floor is my #1 negotiating point… make it firmer with big penalties for failing to meet it, and limit the ability of teams to roll over funds to future years (use it or lose it). I’ll give up 1/2 percent on the revenue split if I get those things.

      • BlackKnigh

        You’re right! Baseball still has a slew of free agents – some of who are having to take a fraction of what they were demanding. Of course – some of those guys were not worth what they were asking either.

  • Jason
    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      I, for one, welcome our new QB overlord. Better than Elway just sitting there, with his dick in his hand, while all the other Qb’s sign elsewhere. Teams could easily trade up to draft all of the good Qb’s ahead of us, and then we’d be really fucked. This gives us a little flexibility. I hope, at the very least, this prevents us from trading up. Curious as to what the contract will be.

    • Yahmule
    • gobroncos

      Dang, he was one of those guys I was least excited about. Would much rather have had Taylor, Cousins, or Brees. He had one breakout season amidst many mediocre seasons before. It could have just been the chemistry he had with those coaches and players. He could easily regress to the mean.

      I think this means we also take a QB at #5 to groom for the future.

      I just hope it’s a 2 year deal worth less than 20M/yr.

      • Yahmule

        Based on how quickly he came to terms, I would expect he got the $20 million plus he wanted. Why take the first offer unless it’s a good one?

    • PiperAR
  • Yahmule

    Here’s what drafting a QB @ 5 tells everybody. They have no real confidence in Keenum. They were completely full of shit when they said Chad Kelly had first round talent.

    • PiperAR

      It tells everybody Josh Allen won’t be ready week 1.

      • BlackKnigh

        This is one of my least favorite scenarios unfolding. I would rather have McCarron than Keenum as I think he is the better QB and has more savvy than Case. IMO – not worth $20M for damn sure. However – if Kubiak is satisfied with him – I will let it go. If they have a good OL – TS may play better than Keenum. I hope they keep him.
        As Yahmule says below: “Don’t fuck this up, John.” Get your priorities in order and rebuild one helluva OL! He went to Bowlen when he was playing to lobby for more money for the OL players. Pat came through on that. I hope he remembers that.

      • Yahmule
        • BlackKnigh

          Your confidence in Josh Allen amazes me....

    • BlackKnigh

      Maybe by the time Denver picks – 4 QBs will be gone: Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield. That would mean that there are possibly 2 trades or more. And if Denver stays put – as I think they should – they may pick the BPA – which I think is Nelson.
      At least I can hope. There is no charge for doing that.

  • Well well well a little Broncos After Dark, I see.
    But not as sexy as that sounds. 😉

    Open and shut, Case?

    • Obviously he’s a guy Kubiak really likes, and knows. And passed that on to Elway. Was last year fluky or a sign of a guy on the rise to at least be solid? We’ll find out. It’s not super exciting, but I do think he’s solid enough, less of a crazy commitment that Cousins would be, better than in house guys (purely imho), and maybe, hopefully, frees them up enough to draft someone like Nelson, or at least BPA. As Yahmule says if they use first pick on a QB too makes you wonder why they’d bother giving money to Keenum. Could take a QB a little later now and focus on other crucial needs.
      🤷🏻‍♂️ shrug, we shall see…

      • (•_•) / Hopefully Broncos fans won’t also approach this as…
        ( •_•)>⌐■-■ /
        (⌐■_■) …“Case, dismissed.”
        “Yeahhhhhhhhh!”🎵

      • BlackKnigh

        There are some good QBs later in the draft.