• bradley

    A Look at the ‘Risers/Fallers’ Myth

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/06/nfl-combine-risers-fallers-draft-mock-top-five-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold

    Also. an interesting top 5 mock.

    • DCJ1

      Not particularly football-related, just something that bothers the heck out of me:

      “NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock compared Chubb to Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa, and ran a quicker 40 time this past weekend in Indianapolis.”

      When you interpret this sentence according to the standard accepted rules of English grammar, we find that our subject (“NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock”) performed an action (“compared”) in conjunction (“and”) with another action (“ran”). So that compound-complex statement can be parsed into two simple statements. The first one is easy — simply put a period before the conjunction: “NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock compared Chubb to Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa.” The second one is a bit more complex, as you remove the conjunction and insert the subject: “NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock ran a quicker 40 time this past weekend in Indianapolis.” The latter statement has an incomplete comparison (“quicker” than whom?) but the implied target is the subject of the dependent clause in the first sentence (“Chubbs”). So apparently Mayock has a faster 40 than Chubbs, and it would Mayock’s perceived durability issues that is keeping him out of the top 5.

      So what I want to know is why does a scientist/engineer/programmer like me have a better grasp of the English language than someone being paid by a national media source to write articles, and the person being paid to edit them?

      • gnasses

        Answer: Mayock is getting older and was never particularly literate. Most editors these days either edit 47 different writers or have been replaced outright by MS Word spelling/grammar check. Microsoft engineers who code Word modules are very likely to be non-native speakers of English.

        • Nick

          Mayock also still hasn’t learned how to pronounce “Demaryius” properly.

        • DCJ1

          Actually, the article was by Connor Orr. But Mayock getting older and being less literate may explain his 3-cone and Wonderlic results 🙂

          First thing I do with Word is turn off the grammar module. The only time I use it is to estimate the reading level of a document when I’m writing reports for upper management and need to tone the grade level down a bit. I do keep the spell as you go turned on so that it will catch typos.

      • PiperAR

        How did Maylock do in the 3 cone and on the bench?

      • Drewredux

        The ability can atrophy with neglect. My writing talents allowed me to behave like a skid row drunk all the way through college and then kept me in a paycheck for years. When I changed gears occupationally and stopped giving a shit about projecting intellect, I got average quick, and it has gone downhill quicker.

        I think, in general, the convenience of electronic media also has made me more intellectually lazy, less thoughtful and less gramatically proficient. It worries me for the youngsters.

        As to your comment, I have never appreciated amature effort from professionals. The NFL media, in general, are the worst offenders in my frame of reference.

  • bradley
  • bradley
  • bradley

    40 things we learned from 2018 NFL combine

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2018/03/06/nfl-combine-40-things-we-learned-saquon-barkley-shaquem-griffin/397505002/

    17. This draft doesn’t appear nearly as deep at edge rusher as last year’s. That’s one reason why unsigned defensive ends like Detroit’s Ziggy Ansah and Dallas’
    Demarcus Lawrence are getting the franchise tag. It also affirms the notion that N.C. State’s Bradley Chubb probably won’t make it out of the top five.

  • Nick
    • So of the teams ahead of Denver in the draft who is possibly eying him too? Figuring a QB or two go, Chubb goes, and Barkley, we have a shot at least.

      • Nick

        Cleveland already has Bitonio and Zeitler on huge contracts.
        NYG is losing Pugh but is likely to offer Andrew Norwell a huge contract.

        Indy’s the real issue: they’re likely losing Mewhort and he was far and away their best guard. But their pass russ is also terrible, as well.

        • Yeah I feel like they’re going defense, but nothing would surprise me (other than a QB).

          • Yahmule

            With the return of Hooker, adding an elite pass rusher could get their defense up to halfway respectable. They managed all of 25 sacks last season.

  • Nick
    • ohiobronco

      Fuck Papa John’s, their shitty pizza and Schnatter. I wish Peyton had never gotten in bed with that skeeve.

      • Nick

        Here’s a somewhat offtopic question for discussion: Papa John’s may be the worst of the worst, but is there any national pizza chain that is actually good? I can think of national chains in other foods that are at least above replacement level, but I’m drawing a blank for pizza.

        • T. Jensen

          If I have to eat a chain pizza Papa John’s is the only one I will pay to eat (except Papa Murphy’s which is Take n Bake and IMO different category). I will eat any pizza if its free though 🙂

          I much prefer paying a few dollars more and getting a real pizza or cooking it myself. My GMG smoker has a pizza attachment that can cook in the 700-800 degree range and turns out some pretty amazing pies.

          • T. Jensen

            Also I remember eating a Denver pizza as a kid called Beau Jo’s that had a huge crust and you could put honey on it. Haven’t had it in 30 years but it was amazing as a kid. Is that still around?

          • Tyler

            You bet it is. Amazing as ever.

          • Alaskan

            They had a Beau Jo’s when I lived in Steamboat Springs.
            I wonder why they never went national, because it was great.

          • Drewredux

            I’m weird, I guess. I got nothing against pizza, but they’re all pretty much the same to me.

            The thing that vexes me is that outside NW Colorado, a respectable steak or cow product is almost impossible to find at under of GNP for Botsowana. I had this incredible steak in Seattle once, but the rest of my Top 10 list came in obscure restaurants in boring ol’ Craig.

          • Alaskan

            In Seattle, you should order seafood.
            Who goes to Seattle to eat a cow?

          • Drewredux

            There is outstanding seafood in Denver, but I don’t recall the exact stimuli that led me to choose cow that night. I did not regret it whatsoever.

          • Alaskan

            Where were you, in case I decide to eat a cow the next time I am in Seattle?

          • T. Jensen

            I’d almost rather eat chain pizza then chain steak. I very rarely eat steak at a restaurant any more. I can get a good cut of meat from my butcher. Sous Vide it for an hour or so and then sear it in a cast iron pan in my pizza oven and its freaking amazing.

          • Drewredux

            I rarely eat at restaurants anymore. They all suck balls here.

            The steak conundrum has forced me also to develop a special set of skills. I’m with you there.

          • PiperAR

            What are the options in your part of the world? BBQ and modern traditional southern?

          • Drewredux

            Chains and what you said.

            They do have some pretty smokin’ breakfast joints. They do that well here.

          • diningerj

            I used to go to Beau Jo’s on Colfax and Race St back in the 70s. It’s not there anymore, but they still have other locations. http://www.beaujos.com/

        • Tyler

          Old Chicago? Are they national?

          • Nick

            I suppose that’s a contender, but they serve a lot more than pizza.

          • gnasses

            Wait, there’s pizza somewhere behind all those beer taps?

        • gnasses

          Due to my kids enfatuation and insistence on the pizza tracker app, my fam is locked into dominos. I may be in the minority, but I find their thin crust to be actually quite decent. Might also have something to do with the place being 4 residential blocks away, and having an ongoing carry-out special so we always get ours fresh.

          • RSH

            What are the best pizza spots in the Twin Cities? Are they still Punch Pizza, Cosetta, and Divanni’s?

          • gnasses

            Sorry I missed this until disqus summary. 🙁 Cosetta is for die-hards or Nort Minneapolis hipsters only. Davanni’s is gross & trying to rebrand, I went to a market research for them a while back. Best local spot for my $ and usually best beer selection is Pizza Luce. There is a highly anticipated new pizza joint opening upstairs in Surly Brewing taproom which is a destination spot for me.

        • No.
          When visiting family in Fla over Xmas we had to pick up some pizzas esp since there were kids with us, so we got Pizza Hut, my first time eating that in years. It was like a reheated frozen pizza with slightly overdone crust. I’m kind of an urban pizza snob now anyways so a little spoiled but… yes they’re all bad.

          • RSH

            The new official pizza sponsor of the NFL, buddy! Thanks to the Book It! program, I ate uncountable personal pan pizzas from Pizza Hut as a child in the early 1990s.

            https://twitter.com/pizzahut/status/968855814957023232

          • Nick

            This was true for probably every kid that grew up in that era. They also went heavy on TMNT, who were definitely badass at that time.

          • Yahmule

            This would be about the only assembly line pie I still eat occasionally. I’ll grab a PPP with cheese and cover it in crushed red pepper on my way out of Target every blue moon. But there’s an Old Chicago a mile away, which is a superior version of that.

          • see as a kid it was totally fine — greasy cheesy, what else do you want? Now it just tastes bland and skimpy. (I’m sure each franchise varies a little too tho.) It’s not godawful, just… sad.

        • ohiobronco

          Jet’s is pretty ok for a semi-national chain. Pap John’s isn’t the worst but Papa John IS the worst.

          • T. Jensen

            Jet’s is detroit style right?

          • Nick

            I’ve never heard of Jet’s. Looking at their store locator it appears they haven’t crossed west of the Rockies yet.

        • Sparks

          Marco’s isn’t too bad. My wife has a Gluten allergy and she claims theirs is the best GF pizza for fast food/delivery type of service. https://www.marcos.com/ In my formative HS and beginning college years, I worked at both Pizza Hut and Domino’s. I’ve eaten so much of their stuff and because of that, I can’t hardly stomach it now. I will say, though, even a place like Pizza Hut has some pretty good stuff when you have the flexibility to make it yourself.

          • Nick

            Never heard of Marco’s either. Looks like the only place in the entire Northwest is in a swath of the Boise metro area’s suburban sprawl that I have no desire to venture out to any time soon.

          • Sparks

            While it’s a decent pie, it’s certainly not worth enduring any kind of arduous journey for. You could easily get a replacement level pizza* from any of your local delivery vendors.

            *I almost typed replacement level player. I write about football here……a lot. 🙂

        • Carsonic

          Uno’s has been hit or miss for me. I’ve had some delicious pies and some disappointing pies.

          • Nick

            I’ve liked Uno the few times I’ve tried them, but they seem to be overwhelmingly an East Coast chain.

          • masonjar

            We had Uno in San Diego. Very tasty but expensive. So much so, that you expected the white glove treatment with your order.

        • DCJ1

          In the last three moves (Cincinnati, San Diego, LA) we have yet to find a delivery pizza that is worth ordering. This is both national and local chains. Papa John’s got our money in SD simply because it was the least putrid delivery option.

          For eat-at-home, our go-to is actually the Costco take-and-bake. We get a pepperoni and a plain cheese, then redistribute the pepperoni across both pizzas. The caveat to remember is the “Costco effect” that causes items to look normal sized in the store, but then revert to their actual mega-size at home. You need a full-sized oven to bake the things without folding the edges up. The two mega pizzas work well for us, since we have a teenage boy…

        • Yahmule

          I don’t like assembly line pizza and Papa John’s truly is the worst of the worst. I can’t imagine an adult actually going there by choice. I have Fonta’s a mile from my house and three solid backup pizza joints in a five mile radius.

          • RSH

            I ate Papa John’s during the 2013 AFC Championship Game and the night before Super Bowl 50. I took one for the team. You’re all welcome.

          • Nick

            Did you wash it down with Peyton Manning’s favorite, Bud Light?

          • RSH

            I don’t drink, but had I known of Manning’s affinity and/or tongue-in-cheek love of Bud Light before Super Bowl 50, I may have. 🙂

          • Yahmule

            I asked my uncle to buy me a six pack of Orange Crush before Super Bowl XII. I think the Broncos had half a dozen turnovers before I finished the second bottle.

          • PiperAR

            Yep, I had a 2 liter bottle of Crush to celebrate Bronco scores. During the first quarter I had two drinks. I dumped the rest sometime in the third.

  • Well this totally scientific poll checks out. That’s that then. Thanks for the amazing sciencey research here MHR! 😑
    https://twitter.com/milehighreport/status/971092284442685440

    • Nick

      Oh boy, where to start with this one…how about this:
      –Elway was going to watch Mayfield’s bowl game until he learned Mayfield was going to the Senior Bowl
      –The Broncos asking to put Mayfield on the North is an unusual request to begin with
      –Senior Bowl invites are for the best of the best in college football that are, you know, seniors. Not fair to someone like Darnold or Rosen

      • DCJ1

        Or that he double-dipped Allen at the Senior Bowl _and_ the North Team column, while not acknowledging Mayfield in the Senior Bowl column. Or that the table rows are completely random order.

        Skotty is a decent writer with a fair knowledge of the game and a strong passion for the Broncos, but analytic skills are not his forte.

        • Yep and nope they are not. :/

    • PiperAR

      Without clicking, were all choices related to draft Allen?
      A. Draft JA at 5
      B. Trade to 1, draft JA
      C. Trade to 2, draft JA
      D. Admit you have a micropenis

    • ohiobronco

      The Broncos have been the most tied to Mayfield, Rosen and Allen in the media. This means they are probably most interested in Darnold and Jackson.

      • RSH

        Except for us telegraphing who we were going to select in the first round through the media last year.

    • Nick

      I almost forgot: your use of “sciencey” compels me to reply with this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-JO2j7MEQ

      • reminds me that “embiggens” is now in the dictionary! Perfectly cromulent word.

  • Yahmule

    Michael bennett is too loud. Frank Clark, who beats the shit out of women and then sends intimidating tweets to the woman reporter who wrote about it is no problem.

    March 7, 2018

    • Steven Searls

      Hell, I’d give a three for him and he’s not even a great scheme for for us.

  • royalwithcheese
    • RSH

      Ronald Jones II somehow sliding to us in the third round would be fun.

  • Steven Searls

    Have to respect Corey Liuget for this even if he is a Bolt: https://wsvn.com/sports/nfl-player-meets-with-stoneman-douglas-team-donates-to-aaron-feis-scholarship-fund/

    Miami native and current Los Angeles Chargers defensive tackle Corey
    Liuget took time to meet and work out with members of the Stoneman
    Douglas football team in Parkland, Tuesday.

    “I want them to know that life is bigger than what they’re facing
    right now and the times that they’re going through right now,” said
    Liuget, “and the stuff that they’re doing out here on the football field
    will definitely pay dividends.”

    Liuget also announced his donation for a scholarship fund of $10,000
    honoring Stoneman Douglas assistant coach Feis, who was working as a
    security guard when he was shot and killed as he shielded two students.

    “He gave his life for someone,” said Liuget. “I don’t know, to be
    honest, if I’m built for that myself, you know? To be completely honest.
    If it isn’t my kids or maybe my wife, I’d probably… I don’t know if I’m
    built the way Coach Feis was, and I just wanna tip my hat to him, his
    family and the sacrifice that he made on that day.”

  • Nick
  • Yahmule

    Lots of Combine notes.

    I hope we aren’t suckered by the no quarterback coach bullshit again. The myth about Allen being the victim of drops is more enduring than the Loch Ness Monster.

    Couple things about Allen: He has a baby face, looks like he’s 16. He’s big and will benefit from an NFL strength and conditioning program. And from NFL coaching. Allen told me it wasn’t until last year that he had a dedicated quarterbacks coach. He believes his mechanics are improving. He’s been working on his footwork and “toning down” his stride length.

    Among evaluators I spoke with, he was viewed as the QB who had the best on-field workout Saturday. A scout told me Allen had one bad throw all day.

    His big arm will enthrall coaches, who’ll believe they can “fix” his accuracy issues. (His college completion percentage was within one point of Matthew Stafford’s at Georgia.) One GM asked me, “How many drops did Allen have (in college)?” I did not know. “Don’t judge a guy based on one number,” he added. “There’s more to it than that.”

    • Drewredux

      I found that piece generally insightful, at least. I no longer expect that from NFL.com.

      I’m going to keep reading her, I think.

      • Yahmule

        I like that you don’t have to wade through multiple self indulgent paragraphs before she gets down to reporting on the players. Peter King and a bunch of other writers could try that approach.

    • bradley

      (Allen’s) big arm will enthrall coaches, who’ll believe they can “fix” his accuracy issues. (His college completion percentage was within one point of Matthew Stafford’s at Georgia.)

      • Yahmule

        But Stafford’s completion percentage his junior season was 61.4 and he did it against future NFL defensive backs in the SEC.

        • this is true, but he was throwing to the likes of future NFLers AJ Green, Mohamed Massaquoi and Knowshon Moreno.

          • Yahmule

            The larger takeaway for me is that Stafford showed marked improvement in completion percentage each year: 52.7 – 55.7 – 61.4. He also improved his Y/A every year: 6.8 – 7.3 – 9.0. Allen just hasn’t shown this kind of steady development. I know prospect progress is not a linear process, but Allen’s rate of growth is a major concern.

    • pubkeeper

      His rise up the boards this week is due to a 70 bomb at the combine. That’s it.

    • gobroncos

      His drop rate was actually quite low and lower than most of the other top QB’s. So his low completion Percent is NOT a result of dropped passes.

      If I recall, Baker Mayfield suffered the highest drop rate, so really, He’d have a higher completion percentage if his guys had caught the ball.

      • Yahmule

        Baker led the nation in completion percentage the last two years anyway.

  • The Color Orange

    Klis claims that Josh Allen is “the best quarterback prospect in years.”

    http://www.9news.com/mobile/article/sports/broncos-mailbag-fans-not-feeling-case-keenum-for-plan-b/73-526575334

    • Yahmule

      Of course he does.

      • This is probably the only time I’ll ever type this, but Klis did a fine job calling out Fox for being ill prepared/surprised at the crowd noise in SB48: “You don’t want to be surprised with, say, loud opponent crowd noise at Super Bowl 48.”

        • Yahmule

          True, but it’s sad we have to go back four years for his last highlight.

      • The Color Orange

        And now Allen to the Broncos is “picking up steam.”
        https://predominantlyorange.com/2018/03/06/josh-allen-denver-broncos-picking-steam/

        • Yahmule

          I like how they say that but Daniel Jeremiah and Matt Miller have been mocking Allen to the Broncos from the start. Klis barely pays attention to what he writes from one day to the next.

          • Steven Searls

            His job is to have selective amnesia.

          • Yahmule

            The best policy is to treat him like an Etch-a-Sketch.

      • Drewredux

        Unless things have changed considerably at War Memorial, Laramie isn’t much of a homefield advantage.

        Pretty much everybody should be onto it by now: stats murder Josh Allen.

        I get it already, at least.

        • gobroncos

          The homefield comes from the thin dry air. At 7280ft it’s the highest university in the nation. I wonder if that affects completion %. Play at Laramie and throw the ball hard it goes farther. Play at sea level in a humid environment and the ball stops short by a couple of feet.

          • Drewredux

            It wasn’t even kind of an electric atmosphere when I was there is was what I was getting at. And I was fortunate to experience the Roach/Welniak years.

            The stadium was an Egyptian tomb most my Laramie years.

          • gobroncos

            As far as size and enclosure, WYO will never match what other football stadiums can in terms of noise. It can only hold, what, 50,000 (nope, looked it up and it’s not even 30,000)? And it’s probably rarely full (which is why they’ve reduced capacity over the years).

            I was there in the late ’90’s early 00’s. We had one or two good years. I remember having just taken the PE and as I walked out there was a guy with a keg in the back of his suburban next to the engineering building giving out keg stands to those of us that walked out of the 8 hr test. As I was standing around after my keg stand and a crowd went down Lewis carrying a goal post after just defeating Air Force (I think). Pretty sure that goal post is still hanging in the Buckhorn bar. Buddy of mine got maced for rushing the field that game. Or maybe it was the other game that year they tore down the goal post. Can’t remember. Too many goal post tear downs that year. Hah!

          • Drewredux

            I did two stints there. Undergrad from 86 – 91 (I missed some semesters to work election seasons). Then I followed my first wife up there so she could bomb spectacularly out of grad school in ’95-96. Later I got to pay for the whole of her college education, even all that transpired before I even knew her. She remains a real Cersi, her.

            Undergrad was just a long series of alchoholic humiliations for me. Its a wonder I got through. Add in my first wife, and Laramie is kinda haunted to me. The last time I visited– thinking grad school for myself– I couldn’t wait to leave.

    • Yahmule

      He’s also proposing the dreaded Keenum/Allen double tap.

      • And don’t forget 2019/2020 starter, Chad Kelly.

  • Yahmule

    This is great. Backpedal much, bitch?

    March 6, 2018

  • Nick

    Someone should crunch the numbers to see if Haslam has an itchier trigger finger than the early Steinbrenner era Yankees.

    https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/971405682816831488

    • Yahmule

      I would have picked up the check just to listen to the unfiltered stories.

      • Nick

        I wonder if they invited Belichick to this party, or if it’s just for Haslam era or New Browns era coaches.

      • Drewredux

        They deserve it (Cleveland) for all the shit Modell talked about the embarrassment of having a team from Denver in the NFL.

        • Nick

          It’s not mentioned nearly enough on how the Browns’ three painful AFCCG losses in the 1980s were a massive act of karmic justice.

          • Drewredux

            Only two names are sure to throw my dad into a total tizzy on mere utterance: LBJ and Art Modell.

    • Yahmule

      Counting rehires, Steinbrenner changed managers like 13 times in his first eleven years, or some ridiculous number like that. Horrible human being who thrived on bullying people. The shine job that was done on his image, especially post mortem, by people who know better was shameful.

  • The 5th Amigo
    • Yahmule

      And then following up with the family at the hospital. The litany of injuries this poor old fellow sustained was horrible. I know an older guy who got run over by a tractor recently. It pushed him down into soft mud, which saved his life, but he still suffered life changing trauma.

  • Mike Lombardi is always good at trash takes!

    https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/status/971442316908122113

    • Nick
    • Yahmule

      I like Zirin.

      March 7, 2018

      • Nick

        I once had someone, with a straight face, tell me that we can’t allow college players to make money off endorsements because it would take time away from their studies.

        • T. Jensen

          college players study?

          • PiperAR

            Yeah, the playbook.

        • Yahmule

          The attitude toward underclassmen coming out has changed sharply over the last two decades. It was an incredibly controversial topic for years. Now, you see draft analysts sometimes ding a guy who goes back for his senior year.

          • G Mik

            When all you do is look to criticize someone – you’ll find the converse of your previous argument one way another…

          • Nick

            I’m mostly talking out of my ass here, but I wonder if the rise of big national TV contracts has helped changed the narrative in the media.

            Before then, when college coverage was more local, I could see colleges being successful in isolating or blackballing journalists who dared to push back against The Noble Ideals Of Amateurism™. But now that you have ESPN, et al that’s not dependent on one single college for media access, it’s allowed more journalists to speak out against this perverse dynamic.

          • Yahmule

            I think it was more of a cultural attitude towards college athletes in general. I really wouldn’t hold ESPN up as a barometer for truth. They’ve demonstrated many times in recent years that they will trade access for soft coverage. Although, it’s true, back in the Ralph Wiley days, they had way more edge.

          • Sparks

            Outside of the sporting event itself (MNF or college football for instance), I don’t ever watch ESPN anymore. I can’t think of the last time I watched more than 5 minutes of Sportscenter. Wait, outside of SB50 highlights, I can’t think of the last time I watched more than 5 minutes of Sportscenter. It used to be a staple of mine 15-20 years ago. Now, I just can’t stand it.

      • Speaking of pizza! It’s like Dave was reading our thread.

    • ohiobronco
    • DCJ1

      Lombardi took that down quick…

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      This actually looks pretty feasible, as of today anyway. I would rather see Rosen than Allen @ six, but I’m not Maccagnan and he might see it differently. If the Giants pass on a QB and the Broncos do as well, you could see a couple quarterbacks drop to 11 and beyond, but I believe teams will trade up and we’ll see at least three off the board in the top ten, probably four. I’ll be surprised if the Browns use both of their picks, although I think they should.

      • DragonPie

        I think they should continually trade into the future until 30 years from now, they own the entire first round.

    • T. Jensen

      I just find it hard to believe Rosen and Mayfield fall out of the top 5 let alone the top 10.

      • G Mik

        Agreed. I would bet that a trade would take place – either Indy or Cleveland with LOLJets and maybe another – hopefully not us.

    • ohiobronco

      This is why I say if you sign a Keenum type you still keep your options open to draft a QB at 5. If it falls this way I can’t see how you don’t.

      • RSH

        I disagree. If we sign Keenum, we should not take a quarterback at five unless Keenum signs a contract with little or no dead money hit after 2018. I do not foresee that happening.

        • ohiobronco

          I doubt Keenum will receive a multi-year commitment from any team. The fact that his own team didn’t franchise him tells me he isn’t viewed that way by the league. In my mind, passing on first dibs on every QB prospect in this draft but Darnold because of Keenum would hurt more than a losing season or crushing post season loss.

      • pubkeeper

        Imo that goes for any signing outside of cousins.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey
    • Nick

      Be careful, I could easily see him going to the Raiders if he’s cut.

      • Talib on one side, Sherman on the other.

        • Nick

          I don’t think McKenzie would go that far, but Al Davis sure would–and that still wouldn’t stop him from drafting the DB with the fastest 40.

          Plus, I don’t see Talib going anywhere that Michael Crabtree also is at. And for that matter, that applies to Sherman as well, maybe I’m wrong in thinking the Raiders are a likely place for him. Unless they cut Crabtree, so let’s root for that not to happen.

          • Yahmule

            Maybe dump the diva Crabtree since he’s keeping you from adding much better players at a much tougher position.

        • Nick

          Now that these two players are on my mind, how about a tale of the tape?
          –Talib: 34 INT, 10 pick sixes, 119 PD, 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pro, 2 AFCCG, 1 SB, surly temperament
          –Sherman: 32 INT, 2 pick sixes, 99 PD, 4 Pro Bowls, 4 All Pro, 2 NFCCG, 1 SB, surly temperament

          Sherman has played 3 fewer years than Talib, but as it stands now if Sherman gets HOF consideration then Talib damn better well, too.

          • DCJ1

            Talib: 2 chain snatchings, 1 eye poke, 1 self-inflicted gunshot wound
            Sherman: 0, 0, 0

            Talib has the lead in surly…

          • Nick

            Sherman does have one WWE style smackdown of Crabtree. Not as good as snatching Crabtree’s chain, but it’s something…

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Don’t ruin this for me, Nick!

        • Nick

          I just care for you, WSBH, I don’t want to see you get ruined worse in the long run.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            You’re a good friend, Nick. I just don’t want you using your super powers to jinx this.

    • Nick

      OK, if you do want to have fun now, try forwarding this tweet.

      https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/971463724728049667

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Copied and sent!!! Muhahahaha!!!!!

      • pubkeeper

        Sounds like it’s about time for ol’ Pete to jump ship too.

        • Nick

          USC fans were just triggered.

  • Nick
    • Steven Searls

      Well Philly sure got Bennett cheap

      • Nick

        He’s old and expensive, that’s why they got him cheap.

        • Steven Searls

          He’s not that old. And playing at a high level. I’d have taken him for that deal.

          • Nick

            32’s pretty old for a pass rusher. Maybe the Eagles will get a bargain here, but this level of compensation doesn’t surprise me.

          • Steven Searls

            8.5 sacks last year, mostly from the interior. Also Seahawks don’t blitz much. He would have been a great add for our D-line. Imaging him, Von, Wolfe and Ray or Barrett on passing downs.

          • BlackKnigh

            He probably has 2-3 years left in him and most of that at a high level. They got a good deal IMO.

    • Sparks

      Yes, that’s what the SB winners need – Bennett lined up next to Cox.

    • Yahmule

      To the freaking Eagles.

      • royalwithcheese

        No joke.

        • Yahmule

          Probably send Sherman to the Patriots for a bucket of clam chowdah.

    • RSH

      The Eagles have an embarrassment of riches across their defensive line and entire football team.

      • BlackKnigh

        They must want the opposing QB to faint when he comes up behind center and sees the defense.

        • gobroncos

          That still counts as a sack.

          • Nick

            Brett Favre agrees.

  • Sparks

    My good friend Google just informed me that today is International Women’s Day. I don’t know how many women post or lurk here, but for those that do, Happy Int Women’s Day!

    https://www.internationalwomensday.com/

    • RSH

      I believe that you are a day ahead, but as a son, husband, and father of two girls, your post serves as a great reminder. Today, is National Cereal Day. I shared some cereal based trivia with colleagues at work today.

      • yep it’s tomorrow March 8 but still a nice sentiment and reminder. (I have to edit an article for work about the day and about documentary films about women, so that’s the main reason it’s directly in my mind.)

        And I also ate some cereal in honor of the other “day.”

        • Carsonic

          Me too! (Well, unintentionally.)

  • Tim

    Assuming we miss out on Cousins and don’t spend too much on another QB, fingers crossed, who are some FA’s you want to bring in?

    • Nick

      Ja’Wuan James if Watson can be cut.
      Trey Burton is intriguing to me if the price is right.

      Other than that, I don’t think the Broncos need to go too wild in FA. They may need a veteran #3 CB is Talib is cut, but I’m drawing blanks right now on reasonable names.

      • Yahmule

        Same two names for me. Scared that James is a more talented hurt all time tackle, but still willing to roll the dice. I think someone will overpay Burton.

      • Tim

        What do you think the contract numbers would look like for James and Burton? I would love Burton

        • Nick

          Tough to say. If the Dolphins cut James that must mean that they don’t think he’s on the top tier of RTs, as his 5th year option is just a little less than what Ricky Wagner got.

          Burton I’m even more clueless on, his value could be all over the place.

    • royalwithcheese

      I’d like to see Justin Pugh and an ILB, maybe Avery Williamson.

      • Tim

        I was surprised ILB wasn’t listed more, I like that idea

        • Nick

          I don’t want to pay a lot for ILB because that player is likely not going to be on the field that much.

      • Yahmule

        DaQuan Jones was really hitting his stride when he got hurt last year. Seems like the kind of big, strong, scheme diverse defensive linemen we covet.

        • royalwithcheese

          I would be on board with Jones. I like him as a potential long-term replacement for Peko.

    • Sparks

      I’m of the mind that if we miss out on Cousins, we’ll probably have to go QB at 5. If that’s the case, we’ll miss out Nelson and the rest of the blue-chip crowd. Because of that, I’d reach out to Josh Sitton for the LG position. Ja’Wuan James for RT. Burton or Eifert at TE. Hyde/Crowell/Blount at RB. On defense, I’d reach out to Avery Williamson. Malcolm Butler at CB if the need arises. I’m sure there are more but that’s off the top of my head.

      • Nick

        I can’t imagine Butler would be willing to take an offer to be a #3 CB in Denver when he’ll likely get CB #1 or #2 offers elsewhere.

        Eifert’s also someone else intriguing if the price is right.

        • Tim

          Who would be some good CB3’s on the market?

          • Nick

            Unfortunately, OTC’s getting slammed right now, otherwise I’d take a closer look at this.

          • Sparks

            I was going to mention that it’s really going slow for me today.

          • Nick

            Blame the Seahawks: the news of Sherman and Bennett combined caused a huge influx of people trying to look up their deals.

          • Yahmule

            Rashaan Melvin from the Colts of all teams, had a pretty good year last season. He is only 28 and he has the skill set we like.

          • Drewredux

            Bradley Roby via honoring All Pro Aqib Talib’s contract, as well as his significant contributions he’s made to the Denver Broncos.

            But I know it don’t work that way.

            We do have a really fast kid from Lamar, though. The college, not the small Colorado farming community ( although I imagine the level of competition is about the same at both programs.)

        • Sparks

          By “if the need arises” I meant if they move on from Talib. If they move on from Talib, he’d be slotted as a #1/#2 guy. If they don’t move on from Talib, I see no reason to look at CB’s in FA.

          • Nick

            You think they’re not going to elevate Roby to #2?

          • Sparks

            I’d like to think they’d consider bringing in competition for him instead of giving it to him. Maybe after considering it, they decide to go with Roby but having a player of Butler’s talents with a chip on his shoulder is very enticing.

          • Nick

            Seems to me that if they thought Roby wasn’t capable of being at least a #2 then they wouldn’t have picked up his 5th year option. If they do bring in a Butler-type player then that strongly suggests to me that Roby won’t be back in 2019.

          • Sparks

            Well, it’s been shown here numerous times that CB3 is basically a starter for the Broncos. I think he’s capable of being a #2, maybe even a #1, but I wouldn’t anoint him with that just yet. I agree you’re probably right that Butler could probably get a better deal elsewhere, as would most of the guys I listed as ‘elsewhere’ usually has more cap space than we do. But I’d still make a call to gauge interest if I’m down to CHJ, Roby and Langley at CB.

            Information has changed since they picked up his option. If they knew for a fact that they could have Butler, then they might not have picked it up, but that’s a dangerous game to play so I can see why they did and agree with the move at the time.

    • RSH

      At tight end, Burton is very intriguing. Jimmy Graham on a one or two year deal would be intriguing, but I think that he will return to New Orleans. I don’t think our locker room is a good fit for Austin Seferian-Jenkins. Tyler Eifert on a prove-it deal would be worth possibly pursuing. Depending on the tender that Cameron Brate receives, he could be an option. Some other options could include Benjamin Watson, but he is now 37, Ed Dickson, Crockett Gilmore, Logan Paulsen, Jeff Cumberland, and Anthony Fasano.

      At offensive tackle, James Hurst, LaDrian Waddle, Garry Gilliam, Will Beatty, and Greg Robinson could be good value and depth signings. I think that Cyrus Kouandjio is in line to compete to start at right tackle for the Broncos in 2018.

      Avery Williamson and Will Compton interest me at inside linebacker. If the Bengals release Vincent Rey, he would be a good get.

      Rashaan Melvin, Trumaine Johnson, Prince Amukamara, Terrance Mitchell, Justin Bethel, and D.J. Hayden are all options at cornerback.

      At guard, I like Andrew Norwell, Justin Pugh, Josh Sitton, Matt Slauson, Zach Fulton, and Xavier Su’a-Filo.

      With Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders returning, signing a free agent wide receiver is much lower priority, but I do like Paul Richardson, Donte Moncrief, John Brown, and De’Anthony Thomas.

      • Yahmule

        I would be very interested in adding Cameron Brate if possible. Big physical guy with excellent hands. Top red zone option, too.

      • royalwithcheese

        I would love to get John Brown. I think he’s going to be a major steal.

  • Yahmule

    I finally got a look at Kazuhisa Makita, the Padres new submariner from Japan. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Major League pitcher with less velocity in his repertoire. He reportedly throws six pitches. His fastball touches 81 and some of his junk doesn’t even trip the radar gun. One curveball he threw that registered on the gun last night read 54 miles an hour.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/images/4/7/0/101219470/111214_mlbjpn_makita_submarine_twitter_2mlzax9x.gif

    • DCJ1

      Man, it has to be hard for the hitter to pick up the ball coming out of his hand. If I were the Padres, I’d be wearing white every time this guy is up in the rotation because his body will eclipse the batter’s eye with the ball that low.

      • Yahmule

        He’s a reliever. Generously listed at 5-10 and a buck eighty. He throws so slowly, I would think he could handle a starter workload, but his stuff probably really plays up after guys have been seeing routine 90+ fastballs for a few innings.

    • Sparks

      You’d think his knuckles would hurt dragging them on the ground like that.

      • Yahmule

        Most extreme sidearmer/submariner types wind up grazing their knuckles from time to time.

  • Nick
    • Nick

      So out are Quinn and Ogletree, and in is Marcus Peters. Wade Phillips effect? Wish we could convince them to trade for Talib if the Broncos don’t want to keep him.

    • The Color Orange
    • Drewredux

      I thought he was going to be a much better pro than he has been.

      • RSH

        He looked like he was going to be a difference maker based on how well that he played against the Broncos in a 2013 preseason game.

      • cjfarls

        He’s still probably better than any LB the NYG have. Giants LBs have been subpar for a decade, and they haven’t seemed even interested in investing anything to make them better.

        • Drewredux

          He hasn’t been bad by any means. He just showed a lot of good traits in college that didn’t seem to translate as much to the pros.

  • ohiobronco
    • PiperAR

      Trevor is there for networking opportunity, and I don’t mean Amway.

      • T. Jensen

        Rodan and Fields?

    • RSH

      And former Broncos’ tight ends coach, Brian Pariani.

  • Drewredux

    So, what? I got a week before I have to accept that there will be a (probably very short) Case Keenum era in Denver?

    I remain enthralled with the idea.

    • Sparks

      Drew, you crack me up!

      • Drewredux

        Yeah, I am kind of Eeyore these days and not just here. 😀

        • Drewredux

          I really am sorry to everybody. I have major depression, which in the last few years just esculated to being pretty much impervious to medical intervention. It can be really hard to cope, and that trickles off into the rest of my life.

          I should probably stop pissing in the one place that many of you come to escape your own problems.

          II’ll try to do better, or I will bail.

          My pissy attitude and crankiness isn’t fair to the rest of you.

          This is a legitimate apology and nothing else.

          • Nick

            Drew, know this: I have never had a problem with your posts. I’ve always considered you a core contributor to the discussion here.

          • Drewredux

            Thanks. Seriously.

          • gobroncos

            I agree. I’ve never had a problem with your comments. To be honest, if someone doesn’t like your attitude, they can block you. I’ve blocked one guy on here that always tended to get me riled up, so I just stopped paying attention to him. Kept me from being an asshole back. Blocking helps.

            If you’re pessimistic about what the Broncos will do, so be it. There’s a lot of that around here. Sometimes you need to hear both sides. Sometimes I get annoyed at how Optimistic some people can be, like seriously? You think we’re that good or only that one player away? Get real.

          • The 5th Amigo

            You’re all good dude, Im glad your back. Getting help is nothing to be ashamed of. Brain chemistry is a weird thing.

          • Drewredux

            I been fighting this shit for 20 years.

            I’m way past the shame part.

            I do appreciate it.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I’ve been battling depression as well. It really seemed to set it about a year ago when I quit drinking for 3 months. I think I had been self-medicating for years without really realizing it. I’m on medication now and see a therapist occasionally. But I too have found my interest in the game to be waning. It seems so damn insignificant in the big scheme of things.

          • Drewredux

            I got into recovery for four good years, then relapsed shortly. That relapse seems to have set off this unrelenting depression. Antidepressants and therapy were golden for a long time. Now, I haven’t had real relief the last four years. You just have to compartmentalize and develop coping skills. I pretend my ass off in front of my family and at work.

            The thing is, you get scared it’s going to wear you down. You start seeing Chris Cornell and Robin Williams as your possible destiny.

          • More Cow Bell

            Last I checked, its still a free country. Speak what you feel and let the others be damned.

          • Drewredux

            Yeah, but this is a pretty special place. Pretty special people. And as The Color Orange wine and is the color orange pointed out, I’m pretty worthless participant.

            I lack the energy to keep up. I seem to be losing touch with the game in general.

            I can go be a countrarian idiot someplace else, where they deserve it.

            This is a good place.

          • BlackKnigh

            I come to this site every day. Where else could I get humor – sometimes lots of it, a little football, sometimes some politics, usually well thought out rants. Always interesting stuff.
            The rants are fine. In my American history class in college in 1967 – we were discussing Soviet détente. Some of the guys were not prepared. The professor went on a 15 minute rant about how important it was for us to be prepared for life as an adult etc etc. It was so good one of my classmates took notes.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I think you’re over analyzing it. There is nothing wrong with your posts. I think you bring good content to the table, and so what, if you’re an Eeyore once in awhile?! So is Uncle Rico, and he’s still cool by me. If we just sat here, and jerked each other off all day, and shared the same opinion, this site would be boring as hell. Don’t ever let something some internet dick head says, get under your skin. Stick around!

          • Drewredux

            I’ll stick around. I just mostly wanted to let everyone know that I’m not TRYING to be contrarian. I’m just squarely in half-empty mode in general right now.

            As for one dude, I’ve endured much worse. I just don’t want to be the sourpuss where most are looking for a little optimism.

          • PiperAR

            You’re one of the top commenters around here and add greatly to the discussion. As for pessimistic comments, we’re all just speculating. Why should it bother me if your speculation is more bearish than mine?

          • Drewredux

            That is flattering and a little surprising.

            For the record, your presence is mucho appreciated in these parts, too.

          • Carsonic

            I agree with Nick. You have a singular voice that brings humor and thoughtfulness to the discussion in a way that really adds to the rich flavor of the board. You were missed when you weren’t here. I hope you stick around and I hope things get better for you.

          • Alaskan

            Drew,
            For about a year, back in the 90’s, I went into a deep dark hole.
            I have no idea what that was about, and I had no objective reason to be there.
            But there I was. And I understand it is real. But it also passes..
            There really is light at the end of the tunnel. Ride it out, Bud.
            You will come out the other side.
            And don’t leave us..
            .

          • pubkeeper

            Hey this is as good a place to vent as any. No worries.

        • Sparks

          Hello Drew.
          If my comment about you cracking me up is bothering you, please don’t let it. I meant it in the most honest and positive way. Some of your comments actually do make me laugh out loud. Not at you but with you. I’ve always enjoyed your posts and hope to continue to do so. I’ve told you before, that you’re the proud owner of 1 of the 2 funniest comments I’ve ever heard here. I actually stole your line and it’s made it’s way into my everyday Lexicon. We don’t always see eye to eye and for me, that’s refreshing. While we may be at odds on certain topics, I’ve never felt like you were belligerent or belittling. Hopefully none of my comments have ever made you feel that way as they were not intended that way.

          I just hope I’m not the internet dickhead that made you feel like you were anything less than the core contributor that you are to this site. If I ever do, please know that it’s unintentional and feel free to let me know about it.

          Your In-Thin Air Brethren,

          Sparks

          • Drewredux

            Not at all! I appreciated it.

            It just occurred to me that I bitch about everything anymore. Then, for some reason, I got all vulnerable. 😀

            I’ve never had a single problem with you. In fact, the only person that I would ever consider a personal nemesis is long gone.

            I appreciate your kindness. All of you, in fact.

            I really, really do.

            Thank you.

    • gobroncos

      I think you forgot the sarcastic text .

    • PiperAR

      I want Keenum like I want socks for Christmas. Depending on the APY and structure, I could live with it or hate it. The worst would be the Chicago double dip. But if they grab Nelson or Barkley (more likely than not one will be there at 5) and maybe take Mike White in round 3 or 4, that’s an option. Or maybe Jackson will get caught with a quarter ounce of grass and fall to trade up from 40 range.

      • Drewredux

        Keenum plus Nelson plus coming back for Jackson, or even a plummeting Mayfield or Rosen (strange things have happened), would about make me cry tears of joy.

        Just Case Keenum and a Tier 2 QB pick I struggle to get behind.

  • Nick
    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Damn you , and your quick trigger finger! I was clumsily trying to type that breaking story!

    • RSH

      Why can’t a trade be consummated? Does Talib have a no trade clause in his contract? Would he absolutely refuse to report to the 49ers? Has Talib made it known that he will be a malcontent in San Francisco, and the 49ers don’t want to go through with a deal?

      • Nick

        Pulling a Jake Plummer is really his only recourse to derail this. More likely is that SF is wary about taking him at $11M.

    • BlackKnigh

      I wonder if the Pats would entertain taking Talib and #40 for their first pick at 31?

      • Nick

        As unpopular as it would be here, if the only viable trade option is with NE, it’s still better trading him to NE that cutting him and watching him sign with NE.

        • BlackKnigh

          If this happened – in the event that Denver wanted Nelson and he wasn’t there – they might pick up Hernandez at #31.

        • gobroncos

          I agree, but I stil hate NE.

          • BlackKnigh

            In the long run – it might make more sense to keep him here – and deny NE a pro bowl DB. He still has some playing time in his repertoire IMO.

          • gobroncos

            I agree. I’d almost think that keeping him if it meant preventing him from going to NE would actually be a net gain for the Broncos. Even more so than any trade compensation we would get. I think his price for his ability is still a net gain. He probably won’t drop off significantly for another year or two. We should wait until then.

          • Tyler

            That would make sense if we were a contender. Seems unlikely that we are for next season though. We would be shooting ourself in the foot (leg?) by keeping Talib just to spite NE.

      • gobroncos

        I guess I would agree, but I think the value of 31 being in the 1st round and having that 5th year option would be more than Trading for Talib, esp. if they thought we’d cut him anyway.

        I’d hate for Talib to go back to NE. Fuck NE.

    • gobroncos

      I say we keep him on the roster until we get some sort of trade compensation. Preferably, I’d like to keep him. Cutting him excludes him from any Comp, pick, right? If he’s going to sabotage trades by being a malcontent, then Keep him on the roster until training camp. Call other teams’ bluffs and pretend you’d rather keep him (which I would).

    • Is this about Talib not supporting VJ as the HC?

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I think it’s strictly to clear cap space.

  • Nick

    1) That’s an awesome photobomb.
    2) Klis did add another tweet to this that said “Nicki!” but then he got a bunch of “don’t confirm” jokes levied at him so he deleted it.

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/971504439965073408

    • cjfarls

      Klis is never going to live that down… mainly because Nicki is so much better than him.

      • gobroncos

        Nor should he.

    • He actually deleted it, fucking guy is such a dink. Especially since he never responds to comments… but obv. reads them.

  • Nick

    As for the real reason I went to Klis’s Twitter account:

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/971460537782431745

    Hey Mike, I’ve been reading recently that Miami is looking to cut Ja’Wuan James. Am I the only one who thinks he could solve our right tackle position long term? I’m thinking flipping C.J. Anderson and a 4th for him should get it done. Seeing as he’s under contract this year on his fifth-year option. It would allow us a year to figure out his long-term worth.

    – Adrian Watson

    Adrian, not a bad second thought you had there. The Broncos will be in the market for a starting offensive tackle in free agency. They’d prefer a right tackle like James, who has a $9.34 million fifth-year option due next Wednesday.

    With Anderson due to make $4.5 million in 2018, the money difference might force the Broncos to throw in one of their extra third-round picks instead of their extra fourth.

    But if James is released, the Broncos would be interested in signing him as a free agent. If Anderson is released, the Dolphins would be interested in him as a free agent. So, a trade makes some sense.

    It’s ridiculous to include a draft pick for a player the Dolphins may very well cut, and it’s even more ridiculous to suggest that difference in salary should make the spendier player more valuable in draft compensation. If that were the case, Aqib Talib should be generating a 1st or 2nd round pick in trade offers.

    I’m fine with trading CJ for James straight up, but I would Cape Feare laugh this offer out the door.

    • T. Jensen

      Makes the Texans/Browns trade look even better. Houston should have received 2 1sts for Brock’s price tag…

    • PiperAR

      It seems plausable to me that while Miami might like CJ, they might not like him at $4.5 million so a draft pick might be needed to seal the deal. Not that Miami has room to bitch about CJs contract.

      • Nick

        It seems plausable to me that while Denver might like James, they might not like him at over $9 million so a draft pick might be needed to seal the deal. Not that Denver has room to bitch about James’s contract.

        • PiperAR

          Miami wrote CJ’s contract for Denver, did they not?

          • Nick

            Yep.

  • Nick
    • Drewredux

      I always thought “scabs” was a little rough for that group. I mean, you’ve dreamed about a thing for your entire life, that dream probably seems DOA, and now you get one more shot?

      I don’t think it takes a lack of moral character or any form of cultural or social betrayal to jump at that shot.

  • Nick

    I’m really not understanding Seattle’s thought process here. They’re rapidly deconstructing the Legion of Boom before our own eyes. Contrast that with Denver, who cut Ward only after Simmons and Parks stepped up, and who is considering parting ways with Talib but has Roby waiting in the wings.

    Denver may not have a QB yet, but Seattle may have only a QB by the time they’re done.

    https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/971546273533710336

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      My friends were acting excited that they were “clearing cap space to get younger, and improve their line”. Oh yeah? With who?