• gnasses
    • DCJ1

      Page 424 of the Texans’ corporate culture guide: Any inmate player who fails to stand for the Flag of our Sovereign Nation, or for the US Flag, will be executed lynched flogged traded to Cleveland.

  • RSH
    • pubkeeper

      Hmm, no vea.

  • Jeremy

    I was going through the projected cap space for 2019, and I realized something depressing/concerning.

    Not only do the broncos have the fourth least amount of cap space in 2019, but Of the bottom 21 teams in the league in terms of cap space for 2019, only the Broncos (4th least, 40 million), Redskins (14th least, 63 Million (Alex Smith trade isn’t official yet)) and Vikings (17th least, 73 million) don’t have a starting caliber QB already signed (and more importantly paid for) in 2019.

    There’s certainly teams like the Steelers, Giants, Chargers, and Patriots who may have their QB retire before 2019, but those teams would all create 20+ million in cap space if their QB retires.

    • Nick

      It shouldn’t be completely ignored, but it’s a bit impractical to think too much about this before any 2018 cuts have even been decided.

      If Talib and Anderson get cut in a few days, that’s $12.5M in cap space there. Even if he stays in 2018, Watson is going to have to drastically improve to justify getting $6.125M more in 2019. Those three alone push Denver out of the bottom 10. Plus, there are surprises, either good or bad, that could take place during the 2018 season. Not many saw TJ Ward getting cut in the preseason, for example.

      • Jeremy

        I agree it’s a bit early, but it’s hard for me to not be concerned. The three moves you suggest would all be negated by signing even a cheap veteran QB, putting the Broncos back in the bottom 5. We’ll see how it looks in a few weeks

        • cjfarls

          I see no reason to be concerned about good contracts… the reason DEN doesn’t have a lot of cap space is because they are paying reasonable amounts to good players (Von, CHJ, Wolfe, DT, Sanders, Leary, BMarsh, Stewart).

          As long as the team is getting value out of the players its paying, its not a problem… the problem is if folks are under-performing their contracts (arguably DT/Sanders/BMarsh/Stewart)… those are the ones you move on from. And in 2019, pretty much every one of those can be moved on from.

          The team doesn’t have a lot of cap lost in dead money or bad contracts (Watson, etc.). Our WRs are probably the closest to that, but they’re still good players.

          Choices have to be made, but those are the same choices every team has to make… and the hard choices are where you have too many good players you need to pay (Roby, Paradis, Barrett, Ray). That’s the nature of the cap, and if you aren’t consistently hitting on better than average cheap draft picks, the whole point is that teams can’t hoard their talent over the long-term. This is why its relatively easy for NFL teams to go from worst to first and back again in 5 year increments. Its the nature of the game, and the DEN front office consistently is better than average in this regard (IMO).

          So I’m never going to complain about having too many players that earned higher paydays than the team can afford… its sucks – but the alternative of having no good players to pay (e.g. CLE and NYJ) is far worse.

      • royalwithcheese

        Plus, one of, if not both, DT and ES won’t be back.

    • PiperAR

      How much cap is tied up in players who may not justify their cap number in 2019 but contract structure makes it unlikely to cut them? I’m failing to see a problem.

      • Nick

        Right. As of today, that’s nobody, not even Von Miller. Even better, several of these players (Sanders, Wolfe, Watson to name a few) have 2019 as option years, so they’d get thrown into the comp pick mix if the Broncos part ways.

  • RSH
    • Carsonic

      Wow, he mentions seeing all Broncos’ home games, 3 Giants games, and Tennessee, but not Indy.

      • RSH

        He loves Denver and the Broncos. As we have discussed, I think it would be really cool if John Elway could head an ownership group, and Peyton Manning could become the GM in a few years.

      • Nick

        He attended at least one Colts game. Maybe it just wasn’t right on his mind at the time.

        https://twitter.com/Colts/status/917097118850002945

        • Carsonic

          DADDY LOVES US BEST!

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Wow, he suffered through some shit QB play.

      • ohiobronco

        Shit QB play from QBs he has friendships/relationships with.

      • Sparks

        And some shit OL and ST’s play as well.

    • PiperAR

      If Vince McManhon gives the XFL another try, there should be one announcer biased for one team and the other announcer biased for the opponent. Great for entertainment, terrible for the sport.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      I didn’t know PFM was a masochist?!

  • RSH
    • PiperAR

      If it makes him drop to #5…

  • The Color Orange
    • Yahmule

      Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    • RSH
      • royalwithcheese

        I would basically hate this draft. Allen stinks. Wadley is another DHenderson. Christian is another underpowered, inexperienced OT. Lasley has major off-field issues.

        Alexander at 40 would be great, but there’s no way a guy with his speed and skill will fall that far.

        • RSH

          This is definitely not my favorite draft. Alexander would be a great pick at that spot, but like you, I don’t think that he will be there. Okoronkwo at the the end of the third round would not be a bad selection, and nabbing Warner in the sixth round would be an excellent selection.

  • Nick
    • ohiobronco

      In terms of inflaming the issue vs. diffusing it, his comments were pretty much the worst possible thing he could have said.

      • bradley

        It’s not the protesting. It’s the perceived disrespecting of the flag, which sends the dumb or dumber right wing bunch into a frenzy. And that bunch means a lot of $ to the NFL.
        Kap et al couldn’t have picked a worse way to try to make a point.

        • ohiobronco

          When people refuse to look past the extremely superficial patriotic symbolism they are just proving that they are not listening to the underlying message and aren’t interested in listening.

          • bradley

            That’s what “…the dumb or dumber right wing bunch…” does.

        • Kush-Lash

          In retrospect, I think they couldn’t have picked a better way to make a point. The quickest way to social action tends to come after some form of an economic impact, particularly when it’s the wallets of white people.

          • bradley

            What point have they made?

          • Kush-Lash

            We’re still alking about it now. The country is still talking about it. Nothing about this was meant to be comfortable. Social justice is never as pretty or organized as we romanticize it to be. In fact, because we’ve become so accustomed to privlage, any resemblance of equality has started to feel like oppression. Lunch counters in the 50s and 60s weren’t the “right way” to protest either. Nevertheless.

          • Kush-Lash

            Side note, kudos to all Thin-Airians (you included @bradley) for keeping civil discussions alive. Collectively, we are learning from each other and I appreciate the forum to share what’s relevant when it’s relevant… especially since we’ve all come here with a shared orange and blue love!

          • Nick

            The way I see it is that protesting during the anthem is a way to get high visibility for your cause. If Kaepernick, et al just said their message on Twitter, or did the kind of community efforts that Ross describes, it wouldn’t have forced as much attention to be paid.

          • bradley

            The only attention they’ve gotten is anger at black players who disrespect the flag.
            They should have followed up with a coherent book about what “social justice” means to them.
            Kaepernick could make a fortune if he wrote such a book and then went on a speaking tour.

          • PiperAR

            Or ask white people to read Black Like Me and save the trouble of writing a new book.

          • bradley

            That’s 60 years old though. A new book titled Social Justice about what things are like today.
            Today’s comfortable whites think that the story in Black Like Me is over and done with.

          • PiperAR

            Today’s comfortable whites aren’t going to read either. A book and speaking tour might make CK some money, but the audience would be people that already belong to the choir.

        • PiperAR

          “Nationalism is not the same as patriotism.” – Me

          • bradley

            But you have a brain. Half of NFL fans don’t.

  • royalwithcheese
    • ohiobronco

      It seems like all pretenses of following the rules have gone by the wayside
      https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/971037250380234752

    • Yahmule

      This kind of thing is such a boon for sportswriters who want to expend the least effort possible. Posting a list of teams and the largely superficial reasons why they will or won’t sign Kirk Cousins qualifies as enough for an article. I thought transposing a few names on Mayock or Jeremiah’s latest mock was easy.

      • ohiobronco

        You just described Legwold’s entire job.

        • pubkeeper

          Which saddens me. I remember when the rocky mountain news closed its doors I was disappointed we wouldn’t be getting legwold’s reporting. Then excited the post picked him up. He used to be really good, did a solid job picking up where schefter left off. Now I don’t even pay much attention to his stuff.

          • ohiobronco

            He’s really just following the standard ESPN content generation template.

          • pubkeeper

            That’s an interesting model, “we encourage you to just mail it in.”

          • ohiobronco

            More like, you need to put out X articles a week even when nothing is happening. Here are some article templates you can use.

          • Nick

            It seems like he’s caught in a limbo in which the ESPN scoops are going to go through Schefter, et al, while the Broncos have Klis and Jhabvala in truly local media for their recon.

            I believe he still has the Broncos HOF seat, at least that’s something.

          • RSH

            Remember Broncos’ fans favorite message board punching bag, Bill ‘Pork Chop’ Williamson?

          • pubkeeper

            Yeah he we the worst. They moved him to the Raiders beat

          • RSH

            He is now running Raiders Snake Pit. https://raiderssnakepit.redescribe.com/. It looks like a website akin to Mile High Huddle.

  • RSH
    • Drewredux

      My parents’, aunts’ and uncle’s, cousins’ and little brother’s alma mater or whatever the fuck you call your high school of graduation.

      • Alaskan

        I remember coming down from Boulder to run track at Aurora Central, back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth.Place has been there a long time.

        • bradley

          Aurora Central. My alma mater. But it was just Aurora High School then.

          • Yahmule

            Because there was nothing for it to be central to back then. ;~)

          • bradley

            Yep. It was the only HS in Aurora when I was a student there. (Showing my age)

          • PiperAR

            “Someday this will all be one big city, and John Elway will be running the Broncos”

            Riding on I-25 as a kid, seems like the metro started at Arapahoe Road. Now it starts in Castle Rock, if there’s even a true break from Colorado Springs.

            FEPC

  • RSH
  • RSH

    I am not sure if this was mentioned at the time, but I found this out recently. As an antenna TV watcher, this was pleasant news to read.

    https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/964155087194083329

  • Nick

    One Hochuli replaces another. Thanks for everything, Ed.

    https://twitter.com/alriveron/status/971073724169572354

    • Clockwork Orange

      And thanks for nothing, Jeff.

      • Nick

        This will be nothing compared to what Bill Vinovich gets from this site should he retire.

        • Clockwork Orange

          Vinovich would get it much worse from Bronco fans if so many of them weren’t convinced that Rahim Moore lost that game all by himself.

          • Nick

            I thought there was more than one game in which Vinovich has been terrible for Denver.

          • Clockwork Orange

            There has been, but that one was the most costly and the most egregious.

          • T. Jensen

            He’s been terrible against Denver and Manning.

    • Nick

      If I were CBS or NBC, I would be on the phone quickly with Ed Hochuli to see if he was interested in a Mike Pereira role. I think he’d be good at it.

    • Carsonic

      Ah, you beat me to it. (Dammit, Disqus!)

      • Nick

        A couple replies to your comment:
        –One of my favorite NFL jokes is “Ed Hochuli wearing long sleeves is an effective form of gun control.”
        –Shawn Hochuli could continue his father’s verbose ways. I remember watching a Pac-12 game he did as a ref and he was even more verbose than his dad.

    • The best news of the day is Jeff Triplette is retiring. There is no worse ref than Triplette, even accounting for The Chargers bias of Vinovich.

      • Nick

        He was just brutal to everyone–both the teams and watchers–in the DEN/DET primetime game in 2015.

      • Jeremy

        Do you have any evidence Vinovich is a chargers fan?

        I ask this every time some one presents it as gospel and no one ever has any evidence

        • gobroncos

          No, but he sure as hell hates the Broncos!

  • Carsonic

    A pair of guns I’ll actually miss. https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/971074164206571522

    • Steven Searls

      Will shorten the average length of games by 5 minutes though. So there’s that.

  • Nick
    • Steven Searls

      I’m guessing they are concerned about his knee.

      • royalwithcheese

        Or they’re just not smart. Extending Bortles and missing out on this QB buffet seems like a major blunder to me. Letting Robinson get away would be another.

        • Yahmule

          They must believe in Westbrook.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            They’ve had a few guys step up this year.

  • RSH

    On Orange and Blue 760, Mike Klis just reported that the Broncos are still all in-on Kirk Cousins, and that they will make him a substantial offer.

    • RSH

      Klis just doubled down with “the Broncos will never say this, but it is Kirk Cousins or bust.”

  • RSH
    • Nick

      Remember that with both of them, there’s no triggers left in their contract that mandate that they have to be cut before anything becomes guaranteed or paid. Neither has to be cut right on March 14, and both could hypothetically be retained until a day before Week 1 unless they got hurt in NFL activities.

      • cjfarls

        Yep – only reason to cut them is if we need cap space to sign Cousins, etc. If we don’t win the big QB derby, no reason IMO to shed the talent unless they aren’t worth the upgrade over their replacements.

        • gobroncos

          What’s the grace period to get under the cap? If they sign cousins, how soon do they have to make the cap room? I imagine they wouldn’t make the cap room until AFTER he’s signed.

          • Nick

            You have to be under the cap at all times come March 14. That being said, I’m pretty certain that you can still be in compliance by submitting two documents to the league office at the same time (i.e., sign Cousins and cut Talib)

          • gobroncos

            Ok, so same day, basically in the time it takes to submit the docs at the end of the day you have to have them ready. Gotcha. Thanks!

        • BlackKnigh

          I agree. If we sign a vet for $8-10M – that could mean we do not need to drop the talent. If Elway’s guy is gone at 5 and he trades down to say – 15 – picks up a 2nd and a 3rd – then picks up a QB in the 2nd round with one of the picks – that might work very well. Having 6 picks in the 1st 3 round would mean collecting a lot of talent.

  • Nick
  • bradley
  • Drewredux

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/06/josh-allens-college-coach-heaps-praise-on-him/

    What else is he going to say, right?

    I’m starting to believe him, though. I think this kid is just a little different cat than your average tools prospect.

    • bradley

      I wish Coach Bohl would address Allen’s accuracy issue.

      • Drewredux

        Outside of maybe Sam Darnold, I don’t see any of the other usual suspects as being particularly safer than Josh Allen.

        Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield are obviously better players right now. There is no controversy there. Both also have red flags just as significant as the 60% rule.

        It’s a grab bag. Why not the local little engine that could?

        P.s. Hopefully they get Cousins.

        • Sparks

          I was trying to quantify Rosen’s injury history as I and others have claimed that to be a red flag. This is a pretty good read that touches on that. Outside of his 2016 shoulder injury that cost him most of that season, he really hasn’t had any major injuries that I could find. And if his 2017 season is any gauge, the shoulder seems to be fine. Do you know of any other injuries or are you speaking to other red flags?

          https://gojoebruin.com/2017/12/09/ucla-football-josh-rosen-having-to-avoid-hits-on-and-off-the-field/

          • Drewredux

            Has he not had multiple concussions? That is my issue with him.

            From memory, I think he missed time in HS and at UCLA because of concussions.

            I think that’s very worrisome on multiple levels.

          • Sparks

            This article states he had 2 reported in 2017. Maybe there’s something there. I don’t think that’d scare me off from picking him though.

            http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/03/how_will_the_giants_evaluate_a_prospect_with_a_con.html

            FWIW, I’d think this picture and his choice of, uhm, message delivering headgear would be enough to give most on this board a serious woody for him. 🙂

            https://wysiwyg-uploads-thelab.s3.amazonaws.com/%2F1472225132949-ig3.png

          • Drewredux

            Again, I’m probably going to be really excited about any of the usual five. I’m just not as down on Allen as most.

            Rosen, to me, would be the no-brainer number 1 if they objectively think he can hold up.

            We can only trust the Broncos on that one.

        • PiperAR

          Allen at #5 or Jackson at #9? 11? Trading with SanFran.

          • Sparks

            Jackson, definitely. Hell, I think I’d take Jackson at 5 over Allen, let alone with a trade down.

          • Drewredux

            Jackson really intrigues me. No doubt.

    • DCJ1

      Perspective:
      http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2016-paxton-lynch-best-quarterbacks-scouting-reports/18posu2db0lj11p9ydl4h99fye

      I’m bracing for an Allen pick. If they grab him, I’ll root for him to win, just like I have rooted for every other Denver QB except Tommy Maddox. But I worry it’ll more of the same BO/TS/PL treadmill, and a top 10 pick again next year.

      • RSH

        If we draft Allen, we definitely need a veteran bridge/hedge. We cannot trot Allen out to play early unless he pulled a 2012 Russell Wilson-like preseason performance.

      • Drewredux

        I just never saw even 10% of the traits that guy showers on Lynch, but your point is well taken.

        Maybe I can’t fully adjust to the new nature of the NFL. Allen certainly would’ve been far more appealling 25 years ago, when a quarterback just needed to be a good football player rather than a finely tuned precision passer.

        • PiperAR

          Where is Norv Turner these days?

          • RSH

            Offensive Coordinator of the Carolina Panthers.

        • PiperAR

          Can’t deny that the Walsh West Coast won the war over Air Croyell, for better or for worse.

  • Nick

    Here’s another scenario I’ll pose to you:
    –Broncos sign Cousins
    –Browns sign McCarron and are not interested in a rookie QB
    –First four picks go: Barkley, a QB, Nelson, Fitzpatrick

    If you’re Denver, what do you do? My possibly crazy thought: Chubb or Davenport? The Broncos aren’t going to have much longer when they can have both Barrett & Ray on the cheap, and pass rusher is one of the most important positions in football, arguably second most important after QB.

    • Sparks

      If the board falls this way, I’ve been saying BChubb for over a week now and the combine didn’t change my stance. If anything, it strengthened it. If there was a trade down they couldn’t refuse, sure, go that route. But to add arguably the best player in the draft at 5, and to couple him with Von…yeah, I’d seriously have to consider that.

      • gobroncos

        He’s the guy we were hoping to get with Demarcus Walker last year. He’s heavier and can move inside on obvious passing downs.

    • RSH

      Chubb would be a fine selection, but I would seriously consider choosing Tremaine Edmunds at that spot under this scenario.

      • Nick

        Is Edwards a traditional linebacker? If he is, I don’t really feel good about going that direction with Brandon Marshall already locked up.

        • RSH

          Edmunds would be a phenomenal, 10+ season plus dynamo at the other inside linebacker spot. He would be a perfect fit in Denver’s defensive scheme. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/tremaine-edmunds?id=2560062

          • Nick

            I just think that if you go that way, you have to be prepared to let Marshall go earlier than his contract goes. His final two years are option years at least, so it’s not a crazy idea.

          • RSH

            Regardless of Marshall, the Broncos need a long-term replacement at the other inside linebacker spot. Edmunds would fill that role and then some.

          • Yahmule

            Marshall is breaking down anyway. Just like Trevathan did. We really ask a lot of our ILB and that’s why getting a dude who’s this big and long is ideal.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            They would likely be on the field together for the vast majority of defensive snaps.

          • Nick

            Would they? Would the Broncos be able to play less nickel given all the passing that goes on in the NFL?

          • QDoc

            You’d still go nickel. 3 true DL, Von, Marshall, and Edmunds (or Edwards, if you prefer… I’ll be the pedantic dickhead :)), and then 5 DBs. They could try to run on that look, but we know Von can set the edge with the best of them.

          • Nick

            But in this lineup, you’re using Edmunds as an edge rusher. As I said upthread if he can provide that then he satisfies my hypothetical of drafting someone with those skills at #5.

            What worries me is taking a pure ILB that high when Marshall’s under contract for up to three more years.

          • QDoc

            I had envisioned Edmunds as an ILB in that scenario… but then I guess that would take Ray or Shaq off of the field.

            Hmmm. You could probably go Wolfe and another big body up front, Shaq/Ray, Marshall, Edmunds, Von, and then nickel behind them in obvious passing downs. Might be a little easier to run on the weak side. Dunno. Just throwing it out there.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            They use two traditional LBs in the base (3-4) and the nickel (4-2-5). Generally it’s Marshall and Davis in the base and Marshall and Nelson in the nickel. They could use two in the dime as well in a 3-2-6 alignment, if they felt they had the talent for it. But if they went 4-1-6, I imagine it wouldn’t be long before Edmunds is the dime ‘backer, especially with Marshall’s body starting to break down.

        • Yahmule

          Edmunds is unique in that he could be a Pro Bowler inside or on the edge. He’s a near perfect fit for our scheme as an ILB, IMO.

          • Nick

            If Edwards can provide a sizeable pass rush, then that fits in well with my hypothetical argument here.

      • Nick

        I just realized I idiotically said Edwards instead of Edmunds multiple times. Ugh.

        • Yahmule

          I assumed it was spell check, but even if it wasn’t, it’s easy to mix up names. I’m doing roto baseball prep at the same time. It’s ridiculous how many names I’m trying to keep straight right now.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          But just think, the posters here must think highly enough of you to not be a pendantic, Internet dick head, and point it out.

    • Yahmule

      I could go Chubb, Edmunds, Vea, James and be fairly happy. Maybe that’s when we get on the horn with Lynch and see about dropping to nine.

      • royalwithcheese

        Yes. Gotta move back in this scenario. Can still get a stud and pick up some extra picks.

    • Drewredux

      Edmunds. His versatility alone is off the charts.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Edmunds is a no-brainer in this scenario.

    • BlackKnigh

      These scenarios are great, Nick. It puts the rubber to the road. Decision making time. I like that.

  • Nick
    • Yahmule

      They have a history of getting weirdly sentimental over kickers.

    • Nick

      The Broncos may say they’re “all in”, but there has to be some upper bound that they just aren’t willing to cross.

      • Tim

        This is an insane contract and could really change the landscape of FA. Fully guaranteed contract? Owners are not going to like that heading into the next CBA.

        • royalwithcheese

          This is what Cousins was asking for, per reports. I doubt anyone beats that, or even matches it. If everything else is equal for Kirk, then it’s a pretty easy decision.

          • Tim

            I get that’s what he was asking for and will probably get, but I can’t imagine fellow owners, even those not in the Cousin’s sweepstakes, are not going to be happy. Now the NFLPA can use Cousin’s contract as a guideline in the next CBA for more guaranteed contracts and that’s dangerous.

      • Steven Searls

        I can’t see Elway offering that much. The Jets look like the only team who has the cap space and money to go higher. Then again, this may be Cousin’s agent leaking proposed terms that Vikings said they’d take a look at. Guess we will find out when FA period starts.

      • Jeremy

        Even if there’s not, I doubt we have 91 million to put in escrow to make this deal happen.

        Maybe cousins would settle for effective guarantees?

      • ohiobronco

        This should be well beyond the, “Best of luck Kirk but it’s a strong draft class” line.

    • Jeremy

      Assuming true Up vote if you think broncos should match this?

    • Jeremy

      Informal poll. Assuming true up vote if you think the Broncos should bow out if cousins is interested in this offer

    • Good lord. That’s insane.

      Since I’m not great at figuring out salary cap situations, would something like that even be possible for the Broncos even IF they cut/traded Talib, CJ, Menelik and another?

      • royalwithcheese

        Sure. Talib, CJ, Watson, Garcia and TS would take them to about $45M in cap space. I think it’s the fully guaranteed part that makes this more complicated — especially the need to put $91M in escrow.

        • (thanks to you both) And yes, that fully guaranteed part… see Kramer gif above.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          I think some of those guarantees would be guaranteed salary rather than 100% signing bonus.

          • Jeremy

            Fully guaranteed salaries still have to go into escrow. Part of what made the von miller deal difficult.

      • Jeremy

        It would be very hard but not necessarily impossible.

        Coming up with 91 million to put into escrow might be equally as challenging

      • Jeremy

        Thinking amount it more, we currently have 24 million in cap space. Draft picks and rfa tenders for Paradis and shaq will eat up about 10 million. The cuts you propose would create about 20 million, leaving about 34 million. Assuming the deal is equally waited all three years, we’d have about 4 millions left over.

        Next year we have

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Question: Ignoring the QB situation, do the Vikes have a better 2018 roster than the Broncos?

      • Jeremy

        Hard to answer that objectively, but the success they had compared to us has to point pretty strongly in that direction.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          Ignoring QB, I think our 53 man roster is much better than our W-L ratio. I think coaching, ST, and QB play tanked our team. I don’t know if we’re that much different than the Vikings. But I also don’t know their unsung heros.

          • T. Jensen

            and Oline

      • Tyler

        Great defense with an offense that made Case Keenum look competent. I would say definitely.

      • RSH

        The Vikings have many players who they need to make long term decisions on. http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2018/01/vikings-cap-space-aplenty-extensions-coming/

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Thank you. I was thinking about this earlier.

      • Nick

        I say the Vikings have an equivalent roster, except that their one edge is that they’re younger.

        • royalwithcheese

          More offensive weapons (Cook, Rudolph), plus an excellent defense. If the Broncos could fix the o-line and add some playmakers through the draft, they’d be on par with the Vikings, IMO. But it would take a lot of things breaking in the right direction for that to happen.

          • gobroncos

            Don’t forget coaching. Coaching is paramount in this situation. I’d be willing to be the vikings have a better and more experienced coaching staff. We’ve got a 2nd year coach who’s only be a coordinator for a year or two before that. Our DC is one year removed from being the DB coach. Our OC has had stints in and out of being OC and QB coach which means he’s probably the most experienced.

          • RSH

            The Vikings’ new offensive coordinator, John DeFilippo, has been an offensive playcaller for one season in the NFL, with the Browns in 2015. Bill Musgrave is a seasoned offensive coordinator. He was actually the Vikings’ offensive coordinator from 2011 through 2013.

            I will concede that Mike Zimmer is a better head coach than Vance Joseph. The Vikings’ defensive coordinator, George Edwards, has served in that capacity with Minnesota since 2014. He was also an NFL defensive coordinator with Buffalo in 2011 and Washington in 2013.

    • RSH

      If true, then I think it is fairly safe to say that Cousins will be a Viking. The Broncos will then need to decide if they are all in on Case Keenum or AJ McCarron. If Denver is not all in on Keenum or McCarron, my preference would be Josh Squared in McCown and Rosen. As I have stated previously, I do not want the Broncos to select a quarterback in the first round, if they sign Keenum or McCarron.

      • John

        I do. I’m not sold on either, especially McCarron. I want Rosen.

        • RSH

          Then we need to sign someone like Josh McCown, Teddy Bridgewater, or Sam Bradford. It seems foolish to spend $20 million+ on a quarterback while also drafting a quarterback in the first round.

    • Everybody needs to read the article before talking about this. It says, in part, that it was Chris Cooley (who works for D.C. radio) saying he talked to an unidentified agent, which the article says may not even be Cousins’ agent, who said this was going to happen.

      I call bullshit. I’ll explain why.

      It doesn’t fit with Vikings GM Rick Spielman’s approach. He wants to extend the players the Vikings have drafted and developed who are worthy of retaining. Giving Cousins such a deal like this would make it more difficult for him to keep those players.

      Furthermore, why would any team leak what they are planning to offer Cousins — or any other player, for that matter — when it can be used a ploy by agents in negotiations? Teams know that agents will seek the best possible offer, so they aren’t going to tip their hands as to what they will actually offer a player.

      In other words, this agent in question is likely sharing talk that was tossed around by different people speculating what a team may or may not do.

      Now, that doesn’t mean the Vikings won’t make an offer that is appealing to Cousins. What it does mean is there’s a lot of bullshitting going around, so you better turn your bullshit detectors on, especially when it comes to “Team X will offer Joe Sixpack $100M fully guaranteed, I bet my life and soul on it!”

      Also, it doesn’t mean you can’t debate the merits about signing Cousins or how much you’d pay for him. Just remember not to take these reports at face value — and to read the articles rather than just the headlines. You’ll often find out that they aren’t about reporting facts but about getting people talking.

      Oh yeah.. and keep those bullshit detectors turned on, folks.

      http://img.allw.mn/content/vm/a8/w4m7lz97.jpg

      • Yahmule

        Minnesota has Barr and Diggs coming up for new contracts, so I’ll be shocked if they completely explode their payroll.

      • PiperAR

        This meter must not be a Mark Twain model. There is lie, and damn lie, but no reading for statistics.

  • Sparks

    Carsonic, are you out there today?

    • Carsonic

      I’m actually lurking more than I should. I have a shit-ton of work to do. But this is more fun!

      • Sparks

        Completely understand. I have a non-football question for you. Did you say you have a home studio that you do your voice work and some band stuff in?

        • Carsonic

          Yessir, I do. You need some assistance and/or advice in that area?

          • Sparks

            I do. I just sold my pool table at the wife’s insistence to turn the room into a family room, but the caveat is I would get to build up a home studio in another part of the house. Nothing extravagant or anything like that, but something to jam in. My main concern is reducing noise outside of the room. Especially if playing with a live drummer. Any advice there?

          • Carsonic

            The 2 main things are density and dampening between layers. My vocal booth shares a wall with our living room, but it’s covered (wall to wall) in filled bookshelves over there, so even when my daughters are hanging out with their friends and yakking and laughing, it doesn’t get through. That’s density.

            In my old studio in Atlanta, I added an extra layer of sound-control wallboard (from Lowe’s, I think) to the room, with an air gap behind it, and it was affixed primarily with adhesive caulk, and minimal nailing to hold it in place while the caulk dried. The air gap and caulk minimized (but didn’t eliminate) the transfer of vibrations. That’s the layer dampening.

            The density principle works best, so the more you can put between the studio and the rest of the house, the better. Also, if you can get a solid door, or maybe a thick rug to put over your current one, that’s another area that will reduce sound transmission.

          • Sparks

            Great advice. So, this particular room is in the basement so if I could deaden sound anywhere, it’d be at the ceiling. Is this sound-control wallboard too heavy to hang on a ceiling?

          • Carsonic

            Ah, well that’s a great location! Definitely not too heavy, but you would need more nails for security. I just did a Google search and there appears to be some good info about basement ceilings in particular.

          • Sparks

            OK. I’ll look into that more. I may have more questions as plan starts to become reality. I appreciate your insight. If you had a live drummer in your studio, could it be heard in other rooms?

          • Carsonic

            Yeah, it definitely would have. Basement has the advantage of ~5/8″ subfloor though. Not sure what your (main floor) floors are like but I believe it will still take some effort to reduce the drums to a comfortable muffle. Otherwise they’ll be audible, but maybe not obnoxiously so. Again, depending on how close they are to the upstairs door, that will be an area of sound leakage to consider as well.

          • Sparks

            Thanks man, I appreciate the wisdom.

          • Carsonic

            Any time!

  • Yahmule

    Been a few months since I posted this video. What makes Tremaine Edmunds so exciting is he’s so much more than a traits prospect. The son of a two time Pro Bowl tight end Ferrell Edmunds, Tremaine and his his brother Terrell will join eldest sibling Trey in the NFL this year. When I watch Tremaine play, the physical attributes and range jump out at you, but he’s also very fundamentally sound, which is what makes him such a tremendous open field tackler. He reminds me a lot of former 49er/Seahwk 5X Pro Bowl linebacker Julian Peterson.

    https://youtu.be/O_alNNzT1n0

    • Drewredux

      Yeah. I think he is my QB-solved 3, behind Barkley and Nelson.

      He is a ‘new’ NFL prototype. He is getting ahead of the curve.

      • Yahmule

        I still lean towards Minkah, but it’s pretty close. I heard Mayock refer to somebody yesterday as an “easy mover” and that’s such an apt description for Fitzpatrick and Derwin James. Those guys have such incredible range and they never look off balance or out of control. Even just running around they look more athletic than anybody else on the field.

        • Drewredux

          It’s close for me, but I just see even more versatility in Edmonds. One week we could gleefully watch him fuck up Travis Kelce’s day, the next harass Maybelline from all angles of the formation. Then, if Jacksonville wants to come to town and go old-school, Edmonds is up for that, too. Hell, he might even be up to shadowing Christian McCaffrey.

          His best case scenario is off the charts.

    • DCJ1

      So why did he switch to 25 for one game?

  • The Color Orange
    • PiperAR

      How many rookies does the roster have room for? Active roster, not the PS.

      • cjfarls

        Depends on how many “vets” like Heurman, Hederson(s), Butt, WR and o-line depth, Kelly, etc. are outplayed by the new rookies.

        • PiperAR

          Yes, and as each round passes, the chance of the rookie unseating the vet goes down. Would it be wiser to trade up, and/or push draft capital into the future. (Time keeps on ticking, ticking, ticking)

          • cjfarls

            Its why I’m generally NOT in favor of moving back from #5…. at this point we need cheap elite quality talent more than we need depth players.

            That said, in a year or 2 we need rookie contract folks contributing, as adding a pricey QB makes our cap situation untenable to use many vet FAs…. and particularly with late(r) round rookies, they need a year or 2 of seasoning before they can become top-level contributors… so drafting folks now for when we move on from Sanders, Stewart etc. in a year is important…. otherwise we end up reaching for immediate contributors at the top of the draft, and that rarely ends well.

          • QDoc

            Agree with not moving back. I don’t see more than ~6 rookies making the team. We have Butt and Carlos coming back from injuries and maybe Swag making the roster too. That is the equivalent of 3 more rookies.

            I’d rather stay at 5, and package some of our capital to move up, if anything.

          • PiperAR

            It’s a balancing act. I’d like to see the quality and quantity of first and second day picks maximized. The value of last day picks are small.

  • Andrew
  • Nick

    Something that I’m realizing more seriously is that this is a deep free agent class at TE. Trey Burton’s been mentioned a few times here, but there’s also Jimmy Graham and Tyler Eifert out there too, as well as plenty of mid level options. With Virgil Green likely to leave and the Broncos very young and unproven at the position otherwise, would it behoove them to sign some veteran TE?

    • bradley

      Why not re-sign Virgil?

      • Nick

        I wouldn’t have a problem with that, but I haven’t heard anything about him buzz wise.

      • RSH

        For his level of play, and what he does, the Broncos can go with Austin Traylor and/or Jeff Heuerman at a much more affordable price. Green’s dollars can be allocated better towards a tight end upgrade in Burton, Graham, or Eifert.

        • cjfarls

          On last year’s contract terms yes… but does anyone think Green is getting more than vet minimum to $1.5m/annually from any other team?

      • The Color Orange

        The question answers itself.

    • Drewredux

      Eifert on a prove-it deal could be a revelation. I can’t imagine anybody is going to give him big or long term money.

  • Nick

    It would have been fascinating to find out what Jake the Snake would have done if he was in the NFL the past couple seasons.

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/971098056379719680

    • BlackKnigh

      Thanks, Nick! A year ago I thought that Kaepernick would not be a good fit in Denver. I think I was wrong about that. I believe he would have been. He would need some time to get his touch and feel for the game back. Definitely lots of one on one with the QB coach.
      But Jake the Snake in the NFL the past few years? Yeah!!

    • gobroncos

      For all the talk of Bridge QB’s, I think Keap would be a good one if he came back for the right price. He’s not a world beater but he has had success. He knows the ins and outs. He’s probably still got legs.

    • gobroncos

      Oh, and Jake Plummer is a class guy. I like him more and more. I think he’s honest and his heart and mind are pointed in the right direction. He speaks truth and that’s more and more rare in today’s media.

  • The Color Orange
    • Drewredux

      With Mayfield, I worry about a rocky start. I worry about his ability to respond maturely to criticism or coaching. I can easily see him going all Cade McNown.

      I don’t know what to think about his cockiness. At the senior bowl, he acted like he was Yoda like when it came to reading defenses and anticipating windows. That is pretty damn cocky.

      I don’t know what to make of him

      • RSH

        If we don’t land Cousins or go all-in on Keenum or McCarron, then Josh McCown as a bridge to Josh Rosen is really growing on me. From all reports, Rosen markedly matured during his time at UCLA. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-rosen-plaschke-20170730-story.html. McCown is a willing and able mentor for young quarterbacks.
        http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/josh-mccown-embracing-role-mentor-younger-jets-qbs-article-1.3366080
        http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/02/josh_mccown_has_no_problem_mentoring_potential_jet.html

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          I agree. Although, I can’t imagine going “all in” on someone like MCarron. He’s got all of four starts. It would be repeating Houston’s Brockcapade, but with an even smaller sample size to judge from. That said, I do like the McCown+draft pick idea.

          • RSH

            I don’t want to go all in on McCarron either, but if the Broncos give him the money he is seeking, then taking a quarterback at five IMHO, is a colossal waste.

          • Yahmule

            I would prefer McCarron over a guy like Keenum who has so much bad tape behind him. The fact that he should be cheaper makes it a no brainer for me.

        • Sparks

          Rosen has been growing on me lately as well. Not because I didn’t have him as my #1 QB in this draft the whole time, but more I thought he was a slam dunk #1 overall pick and as of late, that sentiment seems to be changing. I would have never guessed he’d be available at #2, let alone #5. The fact that he may drop is very enticing to me. Best QB in a very deep class.

          • pubkeeper

            Don’t forget we’re fully in smoke screen season now.

        • Drewredux

          I could certainly get behind that.

        • Yahmule

          That article kind of annoyed me. Not because it’s Plaschke and he’s just generally horrible, but there was nothing wrong with Rosen’s personality before. He gave himself a nickname and pulled the hot tub stunt. That’s hardly something to garner Johnny Manziel comparisons. I ask people again, find a concrete example of Rosen not getting along with teammates.

          • RSH

            Rosen’s quote is what I should have focused my reference to about his maturation.

            “We all are forever indebted to him,” Rosen said of Mora. “He has helped me grow up, mature, get closer to becoming a man. I mean, I’ve made a lot of mistakes and he’s always been by my side when I think a lot of people maybe wouldn’t.”

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Here’s a good read, to get to know a little more about Baker Mayfield.

        https://www.theplayerstribune.com/thank-you-oklahoma/

        • Steven Searls

          Thanks.

        • Yahmule

          Good stuff. He’ll be a bit of a handful at times – that cockiness is hardwired into his DNA – but I have no doubt that football is the most important thing in the world to him. If he fails at the next level, it won’t be due to lack of effort.

  • RSH
    • Steven Searls

      Of course his agent is going to say that.

  • RSH
    • RSH
      • PiperAR

        For up to one season anyway…

        • RSH

          Unless those two have really great seasons, then maybe give it one more go-round in 2019.

    • PiperAR

      The team with more AFC Championship than losing seasons.

    • PiperAR

      To quibble the point, any season he could have transferred to a different college but didn’t was a choice of where to play football.

  • PiperAR

    Headline reads: Dolphins $19m over the cap, must trim payroll

    Whatever you think of how Elway runs the team, he taint now never bin over the cap and forced to trim payroll.

    • Nick

      That headline is also misleading. The Dolphins were under the cap until they tagged Landry (who they may not keep), and then traded for Quinn, knowing damn well that would put them over the cap. Plus it’s been well known that they will cut JT and Timmons, and that gets them $12M back. Cutting Ja’Wuan James and his $9M+ would finish the trick.

      • Yahmule

        The Ravens have probably the worst or second worst wide receivers in the NFL and the 16th pick. Calvin Ridley could get there and would certainly be more cost effective, but Jarvis Landry would sure take a lot of pressure off everybody else on that offense immediately.

      • PiperAR

        I agree that although factually correct, the headline does not capture the context. It was my assumption that the Quinn trade was what put them over.

  • Yahmule

    I never heard of Nathan Shepherd before it was announced he was on the Senior Bowl roster and the quality of competition is a concern, but this guy looks like a player. Terrific movement skills for a 315 pound man. I also loved what I saw from BJ Hill, who was kind of overshadowed by Chubb and others on that awesome Wolfpack line. Another 311 pounder who can run extremely well and change directions.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Previously Disqused. 🙂

      • Nick

        That’s what I get for posting on my phone while I cook.

  • MattR

    Still a bit upset he didn’t end up a Bronco (but glad, though not surprised, to hear he is a good person)

    https://twitter.com/dsmokexu/status/970432856412495872

    https://deadspin.com/christian-mccaffrey-and-friends-helped-save-a-hikers-li-1823567310