• bradley

    If McD accepted the Indy HC job, and then Kraft lured him back, is that tampering?

    • Jeremy

      I was wondering that. I’d guess no, but maybe Goodell will feel like handing out some punishment anyways

      • gobroncos

        I agree. They should punish them severely.

    • I’d guess it depends on if he put pen to paper.

      • gobroncos

        But technically, he couldn’t put pen to paper until after the SB, right?

        • bradley

          Bob Kravitz: ” It’s official: McDaniels is signed, sealed and delivered as the Colts new head coach.”
          Kravitz (an Indy writer) wrote this at 1:16 p.m. yesterday (Feb 6)

        • VonSwenson

          From RSH’s notes above, I don’t think a written signature is necessary for a “promise”, and I don’t think McDaniels would dispute that he verbally agreed.

        • MattR

          That is really the issue. The Colts may have claims based on what RSH posted below, but they would be walking a very fine line of trying to prove interference by Kraft/NE without also proving that they were tampering by negotiating before the Super Bowl ended. No point in winning a legal battle if it leads to penalties from the league.

          • Alaskan

            Indy is the big winner here.
            Now they can go hire an actual coach.

          • MattR

            Vegas seems to agree. Odds changed for their 2018 season win total so you now need to bet more to win $100 on “over 5.5 wins”

      • RSH

        This still could be tortious interference with contract and/or detrimental reliance, which are common law tort and quasi-contract remedies available in most jurisdictions. Now, the NFL may have some condition in place waiving or protecting against these type of claims when teams are bargaining with head coaches.

        For example, in Colorado, intentional interference with contract is a compensable tort. Colorado Nat’l. Bank of Denver v. Friedman, 846 P.2d 159, 170 (Colo. 1993); Westfield Dev. Co. v. Rifle Inv. Assocs., 786 P.2d 1112, 1116–1118 (Colo. 1990). Under Colorado law, one is civilly liable for damages “when the defendant, not a party to the contract, induces [a] third party to breach the contract, or interferes with the third party’s performance of the contract.” Colorado Nat’l. Bank of Denver, 846 P.2d at 170.

        Under the legal theory of recovery known as promissory estoppel, “one who makes a promise must be required to keep it.” Marquardt v. Perry, 200 P.2d 1126, 1129 (Colo. App. 2008) (citing Patzer v. City of Loveland, 80 P.3d 908, 912 (Colo. App. 2003)). The Colorado Supreme Court has found that “[t]he doctrine of promissory estoppel encourages fair dealing . . . and discourages conduct which unreasonably causes foreseeable economic loss because of action or inaction induced by a specific promise. Justifiable reliance on the representations of another is the gist of this action.” Kiely v. St. Germain, 670 P.2d 764, 767 (Colo. 1983) (internal citations omitted). Moreover, “promissory estoppel is not defined totally in terms of contract principles. The recognition that justifiable reliance resulting in a reasonable and foreseeable detrimental change of position will support an award of compensatory damages is also grounded upon principles of fair dealing familiar to equity jurisprudence.” Id.

        In the State of Colorado, to prove a promissory estoppel claim, a plaintiff must show that “(1) the promisor made a promise to the promisee; (2) the promisor should reasonably have expected that the promise would induce action or forbearance by the promise; (3) the promisee in fact reasonably relied on the promise to the promisee’s detriment; and (4) the promise must be enforced to prevent injustice.” Marquardt, 200 P.2d at 1129.

      • Jeremy

        The more I think about this the more I feel it’s a shitty system all hc candidate who are coordinators of playoff teams are put through.

        I’m beginning to feel more and more all hiring should wait until February

        • PiperAR

          I’m on board with this.

  • bradley

    “Spoke with several members of what was supposed to be McDaniels’ Indy coaching staff. They have not heard from Josh McDaniels regarding the change of heart. Just as blindsided as the rest of us. ”

    https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/2/7/16983596/colts-patriots-beef-hits-fever-pitch-over-mcdaniels

    • Yahmule

      The funniest part is someone here will eventually bend over backwards to try and prove Josh isn’t completely unsuited to lead water downhill.

      • Drewredux

        From Bob Kravitz:

        “I admit it: I fell for it, fell for all the talk that McDaniels had changed since his rocky tenure in Denver. I fell for the talk that he was a changed coach and a changed man, that eight years was enough time for him to grow up and figure things out. He talked a really good game in Minneapolis; yes, he did. And while he never talked about Indy – he couldn’t talk about Indianapolis – he did sound like a man who was excited about the near future, wherever (cough) that happened to be.

        It was all nonsense.

        Every insincere word of it.

        McDaniels’ character has been revealed, and it’s not a pretty sight.”

        https://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-mcdaniels-spurns-the-colts-leaves-them-at-the-altar-and-reveals-his-true-character

        • ohiobronco

          It’s not just character but also judgement. It kind of puts Cutler, Tebow, Alphonso Smith, etc, etc into perspective. He does things normal rational people would never even consider.

        • gobroncos

          His character was revealed a long time ago. He’s complicit in all the cheating and he brought it to Denver and it’s one of the reasons he was fired midseason. FUJM.

        • bradley

          “There is sleazy, and then there’s Josh McDaniels.”

          • RSH

            McDanielsleazy.

          • Alaskan

            Like I said a few days ago, at least he got inside the building in Denver before everybody hated him.

    • Andrew

      This reflects even worse than him changing his mind. At least be a man and face the music this just proves that he’s a little bitch.

    • Has to be so deflating.

    • QDoc

      I guess we probably shouldn’t be as hard on Joe Ellis anymore for being bamboozled by this guy. I was rough on Ellis, but seems like McShady is a smooth operator.

      • Nick

        How much of that decision was Ellis’s? Was Bowlen still well enough to take on the lion’s share of that decision?

        • RSH

          Sounds like the decision was mainly made by Bowlen. http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/McDaniels-Takes-the-Reins/d2235e38-7892-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9

          The Broncos interviewed seven candidates for head coach and McDaniels’ resume and interview were enough to convince Bowlen that he was the man for the job.

          “It’s a combination of things,” Bowlen said. “When you’ve been around the game as long as I, you say, ‘this guy looks pretty good.'”

        • MattR

          Personally, I don’t think he was well enough. But he was still the one making the decision despite that.

          • Alaskan

            As an old guy, I have come to to recognize that I don’t always make good choices.
            There is no way anybody should have trusted a man my age (67) to make a good choice.
            But I guess life looks different when you’ve always been King.

        • BlackKnigh

          McJedi needed a strong very competent GM to make the personnel decisions and get a team on the field. McJedi did too much of that.

  • bradley

    “For the Colts, the bummer is having lost out on the coach that was 1b to McDaniels’ 1a—Houston defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel, who was hired by the Titans when it appeared McDaniels would get the Indianapolis job. The stunner for Ballard was getting the phone call from McDaniels around dinner time Tuesday, especially after Ballard and McDaniels talked for more than 90 minutes Monday night about the 2018 Colts coaching staff.”

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/07/josh-mcdaniels-colts-patriots-changes-mind-peter-king

    • PS: guess who plays at New England next year?
      Too bad Colts probably won’t be that good; will be rooting for them to get karmic revenge

  • bradley

    Mock:

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-champion-eagles-draft-sleeper-ot-jets-giants-get-their-qbs/

    5. Denver Broncos
    Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama. Where does Fitzpatrick line up in the pros? In a game that’s becoming more and more “positionless” the Alabama stud will acclimate quickly to the NFL level. If the Broncos cut Aqib Talib, it saves the team $11 million off the 2018 cap. Fitzpatrick may be viewed as a safety by many, but he undoubtedly has the skills to thrive in a predominantly off-man role.

    • Drewredux

      The base case scenario for Fitzpatrick, like Nelson, is off the charts. He is also lauded for his character and leadership ability. A true triple threat in every respect.

      I think Nelson v. Fitzpatrick is an exremely difficult debate. Denver could use both of them immensely.

      I’m personally leaning Fitzpatrick right now.

      • Jason

        If it’s between Nelson and Fitzpatrick, in my eyes Nelson is he no brainer pick. You instantly add a potential all pro/elite player to a very mediocre unit.

      • Yahmule

        There’s no wrong answer. Both elite talents that are very driven and each one will positively change the culture in the locker room. I lean Nelson, I guess, because I think he’s one of the very rare players I’ve ever seen that appears to have zero weaknesses and loads of intangibles.

    • Sparks

      I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around drafting defense at 5 unless there are some major FA moves on the offensive side, and not just at QB. Adding a blue chipper to the #3 defense (by yrds per game) won’t move the needle much on the defensive side. So, instead of giving up 290.0 yds a game, they now give up 275.0? I don’t know how that helps a 5 win team become a 10 win team. I fully understand the restocking the coffers aspect of it and that our current defense is aging and will need young talent infused but I believe if they want to make the most impact to their W-L’s, they need to do it on the offensive side. Even if they sign a Cousins, I don’t see him doing much if the OL isn’t addressed. Even if they sign Cousins and then are somehow able to draft Barkley at 5, I don’t see either doing much until the OL is addressed. I think they’d be better than last year, but that’s not a very high bar. I’ve been saying all along that they need to make offensive improvements to become more balanced and, unfortunately, that will come at the expense of the defense. It happened in Seattle and it’s happening here. You can only keep a defense dominant if you keep investing into it, but then your offense suffers and vice versa. The key is finding that delicate balance where you have the potential to be top 10 on both sides of the ball. Right now, without some serious offensive adds (FA and draft), we’re looking at another year of a bottom 3rd offense, not top 3rd.

      As much as I’d like a Fitzpatrick, I would be disappointed if they didn’t go offense with at least their 1st 2 picks, even if they sign Cousins.*

      * Unless they make some incredible FA/Trade moves to shore up the offensive side.

      https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/teamsort/nfl/year-2017-season-regular-category-total-type-defense

      • Drewredux

        I think the Broncos are in rebuild bad shape.I think they are beyond the point of plugging a couple immediate leaks in the dike. The whole dam is crumbling.

        • Yahmule

          K.

          • Drewredux

            Is there a position group on this team that you see as ascending or even on course to be as good as or better than it is right now in 2 to 3 years?

            I”d say not.

          • Yahmule

            Tight end, guard, safety.

          • Drewredux

            Them improving at G or TE is like me improving at nuerosurgery. The room for improvement is vast.

          • Yahmule

            A full season from Leary and McGovern would be a big upgrade.

            I think Butt will be a nice well rounded player and FA find Austin Traylor looked impressive down the stretch. Also, Heuerman showed some glacial progress last year.

        • Sparks

          They had the 3# defense last year. How much better would their defense have to be to be able to compete for the playoffs?

          • Sparks

            And I’m not talking about plugging some immediate leaks. If they sign Cousins, it won’t be for a “prove it” year, it’ll be long term. If they Draft Nelson, then they’ll have a LG answer for at least 5 years. Those are long term fixes, not immediate plugs.

          • Drewredux

            I understand that Nelson would be a great addition. I’m just saying there is nothing about the Broncos right now that warrants tunnel vision.

          • Laces Out

            I agree it’s full rebuild mode… I think we have to go flat out best player available at 5 if we have to pick there you have to eliminate the need thinking

          • Sparks

            You have the #3 defense and it’s full rebuild time? I respectfully disagree with that.

          • Drewredux

            With all due respect, this team got embarrassed routinely last year. The big dogs, especially, toyed with that vaunted defense. The Dolphins looked like an offensive juggernaught.

            It wasn’t all because VJ is an idiot.

          • Sparks

            I would counter that with all the short fields the defense was dealt. How does a team have the #3 defense in yards but are the 9th overall scoring defense? They consistently had to battle the short fields that either the offense or our inept ST’s gave them on the regular. So, we add Fitzpatrick and instead of losing 35-9 to the Dolphins, we lose 25-9? Giving Fitzpatrick a +10 in scoring differential is being very generous. How does that help us long term?

          • Drewredux

            To me, the appeal of Fitzpatrick is his versitility in context to the direction the NFL is going. I think, certainly, in the short term, Nelson would bring the most immediate impact. Fitzpatrick, however, has the potential to be a scheme bender.

            Either guy would be a strong, long-term fit. I just think they are pretty equal long term needs.

          • BlackKnigh

            Build a strong ball control offense and your defense will last much longer. We need just a few plug ins on the defensive side. Quite a few on the offensive side.

          • Laces Out

            5-11…

            Did you not watch the games when teams routinely shredded us? Miami?

            So you hang in to those neat stats but this team was brutal

          • Sparks

            I watched every snap. I watched a team that had a defense that if we had even an inkling of offensive firepower would have been a playoff contender and if they had a top 15 offense would have been a SB contender. Did they throw up a couple of stinkers this year? Of course. I would counter that most of the stinkers they threw up were after we were all but eliminated from playoff contention. The back-to-back defensive shit storms happened against the two teams who played last Sunday, FWIW.

            The Miami game has been brought up twice now as an example of how brutal our defensive performance was. I concede it was not their best performance, but we were 3-9 at the time. Not a lot of motivation to go out and perform at a high level. You may or may not remember, we also played that game without Talib and Wolfe, arguably 2 of the top 5 defensive players we have. It might also interest you that of the 35 points the Dolphins scored that day, 11 of them were on a 2 Safeties and a INT Return. So, the defense really only gave up 24 points – 3 TD’s and a FG. Guess how long their average scoring drive was. 46.75 yards. Yes, on average, the Dolphins only had to go less than half the field to put points on the board. What’s lost in that game is the Broncos defense also forced 6 3-and -outs and had 3 other drives they forced a TO within 3 plays. So, 9 drives that ended in 3 plays or less. Yes, absolutely horrible performance that requires an absolute rebuild of the defense. I should probably add that the Broncos have historically played poorly in South Beach. This year was not some kind of fluke. A 13-1 SB defending Bronco team went into Miami in 1998 and came away 13-2 after a 31-21 loss. The Broncos are 6-12-1 historically against the Dolphins so it should have surprised no one that our 3-9 team might throw up a stinker there this year.

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712030mia.htm

            I know you hate the use of stats but I find them to be the most objective measures of performance. Unless you have a better was to consistently gauge performance, I think I’ll hang on to the use of stats.
            This team was not brutal. 2/3rds of it was (offense and ST’s) but I thought the defense played admirably with what they were given.

          • RSH

            And six of the Broncos’ points that game came from a Justin Simmons 65-yard interception of Jay Cutler, which Simmons took to the house. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000886740/Justin-Simmons-comes-up-with-65-yard-pick-six

          • Sparks

            Good point. So, they gave up 24 and scored 7. Net effect of 17 points. Not nearly as bad as believing they stunk it up to the tune of dropping 35 points.

          • RSH

            The offense scored zero touchdowns that game. Simmons provided the lone touchdown. Another awful outing for the Broncos’ offense that unfortunately we have become accustomed to, which gives our defense no chance to succeed, especially in how many short fields that they had to defend that game as you pointed out.

          • Drewredux

            I don’t dispute that Denver still has the ability to playsalty defense. I just dispute its shelf life. Maybe in ’18, if they keep the band together, they can make a nice run to the playoffs. Soon thereafter, however, without serious attention to the defense, we’ll just trade sluggish boring losses for more exciting shoot out losses.

          • Sparks

            I agree with you here. The defense cannot go on indefinitely as is without some severe drop-offs. This happens at all levels of the team. If an area is not addressed, it will suffer drop-offs in production. My stance, though, is that they should focus on today’s battle, not tomorrow’s. If they go offense heavy this year, they will probably have to go defense heavy next year – at least early in the draft. IMO, the defense is in the “serious attention soon thereafter” bucket as you mentioned, but the offense is in the “needs serious attention now” bucket.

            The difference, as I see it, is if they go defense heavy this year, then they will be picking in the top 10 picks again in 2019 so maybe they can go offense then. Just kicking the can down the road. Whereas, if they go offense heavy this year, they might not be picking until the last 10 picks in ’19. Hopefully, they would have built some parity between the offense and defense and then try to maintain going forward.

            Like I said in my initial post, the key is finding that delicate balance where they can consistently roll out top 10 offenses and defenses (and ST’s too hopefully). I think if they do that, then they will be consistently competitive.

          • Laces Out

            That was The Stance I thought I was taking 2 and then I got a stat sandwich, unless those rookie safeties in the corners we are ready drafted start playing up to Elite level status this year it’s hard for me to see them continuing to be dominant so you might as well draft some Blue Chips if you can. The offense is a total scrapheap.. has been for nearly two seasons and there’s 50% of your rebuild right there, not to mention the entire special teams unit was comical bush-league

          • Laces Out

            There’s a famous mentor who teaches at the end of the week when they ask how many calls did you make, John says well… And he starts into his story and he says hey wait John I just need a number I don’t have room for the story in this here box, so how many calls did you make?

            When you miss the playoffs two years in a row, with a win record that is declining each year you can’t keep saying yeah but the defense is amazing…

            Jim Rohn by the way…Results are the name of the game

          • Laces Out

            PS, high-five for watching every snap that’s top level commitment my man!

          • Sparks

            I cheat because I DVR it so I get to watch at my own leisure without any of the daily distractions. 🙂

          • Sparks

            Now you have me curious, how many among us caught every snap this year? I would have thought a high percentage but maybe I’m way off base here.

          • pubkeeper

            I was on the road for most of the Eagles game, but listened deep into the 3rd quarter. Caught the rest.

          • Laces Out

            I try to watch all the games live myself… I saw all of them this year and I never leave a game early as I think that is pathetic

          • BlackKnigh

            I agree with your 2nd sentence fully!! Yeah – that lack of offense can only be shadowed for so long. When your defense is on the field too long – it wears on them. Had the offense stayed with near equal running and passing plays – they would have had 2-3 more wins.

          • Yahmule

            If you want a full rebuild that really means Talib, both wideouts and CJ should be flipped, along with Wolfe and Marshall provided they could pass physicals. I strongly doubt the local fan base could deal with a full rebuild. Many of them lose their shit when obvious project players don’t flash brilliance in the first month.

          • Laces Out

            I think all of those options are on the table right now… I agree the fans are ridiculous that’s why it’s really good they’re not making the decisions.

          • PiperAR

            Exactly. “Full rebuild” means getting rid of bad talent and trading what few good players there are. In addition, make calls shopping Von, but ask for two firsts and take nothing less.

          • Drewredux

            We’ll see how that goes without Talib, and with Stewart another year comprimised.

          • Sparks

            Totally understand but you can’t have it both ways. Like I said, I can’t seem them exponentially improving the offense (which I believe it needs to be more competitive) without coming at the expense of the defense. They’ve gone 2 years now with the expectations that the defense will be doing the heavy lifting. How has that worked out?

          • Drewredux

            The problem is, unless they have really stealthy youngsters, I don’t see much in the pipeline. At any position group. I’m not saying the oline isn’t the primary dumpster fire, I’m just saying there is a lot of smoke. All over the lot.

          • Sparks

            I agree that the OL is the primary concern…by a long shot. I see what you’re saying but I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to address the larger fire first. I don’t know how putting out the smallest fire does the greater good for the team. IMO, the secondary is the smallest fire we have.

          • Drewredux

            The secondary is old and razor thin.

        • PiperAR

          My sense of last season was that the whole was less than the sum of the parts. If that’s because of bad coaching (hey McCoy, why was a 2nd year starting QB throwing 40 passes a game? Option routes?) Or weak links became fatal flaws, I don’t know.

          • BlackKnigh

            They had talked at the beginning of the season that they wanted a balanced offense – which means about equal runs and passes. That went out of the window in the losses when they had Siemian throwing more than 35 passes in a game. Siemian put it on himself. Shouldn’t have been. It was the play calling. That may not be all on McCoy either. Not a well coached team in 2017.

          • gobroncos

            Looks like you already said what I said. Guess many of us are on the same page.

        • PiperAR

          And if the situation really is rebuild, putting 15% of the cap in the hottest QB to hit free agency is the last thing to do. That would be a ‘just one or two key players away move’.

          • Drewredux

            Exactly.

        • gobroncos

          Problem is many of us feel like it’s a coaching issue and that’s why the dam is crumbling. I have a hard time thinking VJ can inspire this team to win…to make the pieces great than the sum of their parts.

          We have a lot of talent on this team. I think the offense could be improved if we added a QB, G, and Right OT. How that happens, I don’t know. But if we got a vet QB, and picked G, and OT in the 1st two rounds, (assuming they all pan out), we’d be VASTLY improved.

          The QB play would have to go up. The O-line would improve both the run and passing game. All facets of the offense would increase.

          Special teams seems like there’s no way we could do worse.

          But a lot of this comes down to coaching. None of this could matter if the coaching isn’t very good. Right now, I feel like the pieces don’t add up to be greater than the sum of their parts, and that’s all coaching.

          • Drewredux

            I think VJ was a little inexperienced, but he was handed D and O lines cobbled together with gorilla tape and hubris. That is just the start. What happened when the tape caught up over the bye week is tthat teams realized they didnt even have to deal with Denver’s strength to totally kick their ass all over the field. You know, just ignore the edges and fuck us up down the middle or with RBs (many of them pedestrian). That happened unabated from week 5 until Simmons went down.

            As far as I can tell, Bradley Roby and Will Parks and maybe S. Barrett are the only youngsters on schedule to become more than JAGs. Unless Marcus Rios or another of the college ufa’s come on, the Broncos are entering dangerous, hapless territory in the secondary.

            It could be both. It could be the great John Elway has managed to pair personnell AND coaching disasters, all in stereo.

            HOOYA!!!

            Its not just the secondary either. Denver’s 3rd best reciever is Jordan Taylor. Their second best running back wouldn’t make another NFL roster. They havve one NFL starter at ILB. They have 3 NFL quality CBs, and will cut the best in of them in the next month. Etc, etc, etc.

    • PiperAR

      Nelson. Because Updykes, just say no.

  • The Color Orange
    • It’s actually shocking that Ballard and Irsay even wanted to hire him. This is spot on:

      https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/961094635035807745

      • T. Jensen

        Not to mention that the Colts were responsible for turning him in on deflate gate. Why would they want to then hire someone that cheats? And why would he want to go to a team that narked on him (other than the Luck factor)?

        • The Colts prior GM Ryan Grigson was the driving force behind the deflate gate prosecution. NEW GM Chris Ballard by all accounts has gone out of his way to repair the relationship with the Pats/Belichick/McD. If it’s still an issue with McD, then he shouldn’t have interviewed 2X, accepted the job (verbally) before the SB and affirmed yesterday, which led to the Colts to issue a press release and set a conference. McDaniels has done this one foot in, one foot out dance before with Cleveland and SF.

          • Drewredux

            I’ve never really understood how pointing out a potential major rules violation ever framed Grigson or the Colts as villans. It seems like a silly grudge to me.

            If I was in a competition, and saw an opponeent breaking the rules, I’d likely point it out. Who wouldn’t?

          • bradley

            But the Cheaters have an ENTITLEMENT to cheat. That’s why Brady was so pissed about what Goodell did to him – not that he was caught but because he felt ENTITLED.

          • BlackKnigh

            Same shit as our so called president.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

    I just was listening to the Colts press conference, and GM Chris Ballard seemed to side step the question in regards to Andrew Luck’s health having an impact on Josh McDaniels decision.

  • Drewredux

    The NFL.com QB scouting reports do little to assuage my unease about the high end of this QB class. Great best case scenarios paired with big time red flags for the whole lot of them.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/tracker?akmobile=android-tablet&akcarrier=other#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:qb

    • Steven Searls

      Watson’s scouting report from last year:

      http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2017dwatson.php

      In this draft analyst’s opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson was off with his accuracy for much of 2016, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson has a lot of room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. There were instances where he flashed accuracy, but he had too many missed and poorly placed throws. Watson was better down the stretch in 2016, but he still has room for improvement in his accuracy for the NFL.

      Watson has some strengths for the NFL that cause many to compare him to Dak Prescott. Like Prescott, Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room. They both bring toughness and mobility to the table. When plays break down, they can use his athleticism to pick up yards on the ground and also can avoid sacks.

      Where the comparison breaks down is in terms of accuracy and ball security. Prescott was much more accurate in college and threw far less interceptions. Prescott threw only five interceptions as a senior with 11 as a junior. Thus, Watson threw more interceptions (17) in 2016 than Prescott did in his final two years combined.

      • Yahmule

        Remember when his velocity was suddenly a big deal?

      • Drewredux

        Yeah. I’m not disputing their potential, I’d just hate to be the Broncos this year. The risk in this pool of QBs seems higher than average to me, but that’s probably because the sense of desperation is getting to me. 😀

        • Yahmule

          I’m glad they have choices. It would suck if the only options were the Joshes, for example.

          • Drewredux

            I hate to put too much into a scouting report, but I’m not nearly as bullish on Rosen after reading down that takedown.

          • Hank Mardukis

            Scouting reports are like assholes…

          • Drewredux

            Sure, but that one just exxacerbated nagging personal concerns.

            What’s interesting is I don’t think Mayfield’s score matches his description. He “reads” at least a 7 to me.

            I’m bigger than most on intangibles, though.

          • Yahmule

            Doesn’t matter that much to me. Read Zierlein’s joke of a scouting report on Christian Kirk. I don’t know what player he was scouting, but it wasn’t the kid who played his bowl game on a gimpy ankle and put up 13 catches for 189 yards and three scores. Fourth round? NFL comp is Pharoah Cooper? Get the fuck out of my face, Lance.

            http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/christian-kirk?id=2560014

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          You sound like you’re getting a case of cold feet, Man. Chill out, it’s all going to work out.

  • DragonPie

    I do have to say that as much as I hate McD, Bellichick and the Patriots in general, I also respect the fact that Kraft really values assistant coaches.

    • Jeremy

      Are you being sarcastic? I read it as he hates Colts and used McDaniels to send a message, whike killing McDaniels future job prospects.

      Seems the opposite of valuing assistants to me.

      • Yahmule

        I think Dragon is right. This was mainly about Kraft going into panic mode about losing all his coordinators at once. I think he took advantage of the fact that McDaniels has been wishy washy about getting back in the saddle after the Broncos bucked him into a pile of horse apples. McDaniels is 41 year old man. He wasn’t forced to do anything.

        • Drewredux

          I’m not sure NE post T*mmy and BB is going to be an enviable job. J McD is likely doomed to a hellish nightmare, which should make most Broncos fans very happy.

          • Jeremy

            Whoever succeeds belichick will certainly inherit sky high expectations. They haven’t had a losing season in 18 years or something. Fans won’t put up with much before calling for your head

          • RSH

            And they are prime for a major fall once Tom Brady is knocked out and/or retires unless they fix their defense fast. I cannot wait for Robert Kraft and his insufferable fanbase to experience seasons like they had from 1989 through 1992. In 1993, New England went 6-10, but there was hope in the form of Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe.

          • Jeremy

            With turnover in the NFL right now, looking more than two or three years down the road (with the possible exception of the qb position, where the franchise tag allows you to make it very difficult to get away) is pretty pointless.

            With the exception of their 2017 rookie class, im guessing no team has more than a small handful of players signed through 2020 (Broncos have Von, mcmanus, Stewart, Leary and Brandon Marshall and I think it’s possible 1 or more of them don’t play out the contract. Von is the only player signed through 2021).

            The Patriots defense could be rock solid in 2020/2021 or complete shit depending on how their rookies and future draft picks develop and who they obtain.

          • Laces Out

            My thoughts exactly…think he fucked himself royal

        • Jeremy

          I think Kraft was looking out for his own interest much more so than McDaniel’s interests.

          Usually when teams lose a coordinator to a hc gig they talk about what a good opportunity it is and how they deserve it and wish them the best.

          Clearly not what happened here.

          Technically I guess that means he values his coordinators but to me it’s much more of a selfish valuing than an altruistic one.

          You are right that McDaniels is a man and should be able to make their own decisions but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t manipulated

          • Yahmule

            If pushing a big pile of money at a guy is manipulating him, I suppose. I do not seriously entertain the idea that this was some Machiavellian scheme that Kraft was pulling the strings on from the start. I think he was shitting bricks because he just lost a Super Bowl and he knows their days on top are nearly over.

          • Jeremy

            There were reports that if the Patriots had made him this offer in December McDaniels wouldn’t have ever job searched.

            Kraft didn’t value him until the last moment and when he realized he’d be going to Kraft’s biggest enemy

            I get that is sometimes how negation go but it put McDaniels in a shitty situation.

            All this talk has made me realize a few parallels between this and my last career move.

          • Yahmule

            Disclaimer: I think Kraft is an asshole. That said, life came at him pretty fast over the last few months. His dirty laundry with Brady and Belichick got a good airing. Tom pulled a power move and got inarguably the most valuable asset on the team sent away for minimal return. And it’s perfectly within his rights to lowball his talent. Our guy does it all the time and it bit him in the dick hard a couple times.

            I just don’t see any way to contort myself into feeling sympathy for a guy who backs out of a career advancing move over money, betraying the trust of not just Ballard, but a bunch of brutally blindsided assistant coaches – guys he should have instinctively protected. I only know you from this website, and I have no idea how your last contract negotiations played out, but I don’t think you would have ever considered a decision that caused massive collateral damage to a bunch of colleagues.

          • Jeremy

            I won’t get into details, but I didn’t pull a Josh McDaniels, and work as an engineer is completely different than the nfl. But reframing the negations in that way personalized it a bit and made me feel a bit more sympathy to everyone involved (Colts, McDaniels and Kraft).

            Thanks for the good discussion

          • I’ve heard it told that if you take a new job and turn in your notice, pay no attention to any counter-offer your present employer gives you…they know you are on your way out as you wouldn’t have been looking in the first place if you were happy. They want to keep you in the fold just long enough to find a suitable replacement, and then your ass is out the door.

            I gotta believe Kraft simply doesn’t want to lose all his top assistants at the same time and/or upset the apple-cart with Brady’s ever-closing window. He can keep him for another run and cut him loose next season…promises to take over for Belichick are not eternal.

          • BlackKnigh

            You nailed it! I was wondering during the SB what Kraft would do after the game when both his coordinators walked. He panicked. I wondered what BB would do. Might be a good time for him to retire. Hasn’t so far.
            Yahmule said it pretty well above. Kraft took advantage of a wishy-washy McJedi. McJedi needed to tell him thanks – but that he is now the enemy.

  • Chris Ballard’s last words: “The rivalry is back on”

    As for why McDaniels is staying in New England, Ballard said he doesn’t particularly care.

    “I didn’t want the explanation. Either you’re in or you’re out,” Ballard said. “That’s his prerogative and that’s his choice. He chose not to be an Indianapolis Colt.”

    And now Ballard will try to build a team that can beat McDaniels and the Patriots.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/07/chris-ballards-last-words-the-rivalry-is-back-on/

    • RSH

      It’s a shame that the Patriots will not have to play at Indianapolis in 2018. Unfortunately, the Colts have to travel to Foxboro.

  • Nick

    Simpsons moment of the day: I was in the dentist this morning and John Denver came up on the overhead speaker. Given the reputation that going to the dentist has, my mind immediately drifted to this:

    https://i.imgur.com/Gq7e3ZP.jpg

    • RSH

      And if Kubiak does this, then his, John Elway’s, or both of these individuals’ integrity will need to be called into question.

      • Jeremy

        Or, Kubiak could be the spy Elway sends in to retrieve Luck and bring him to Denver

    • PiperAR

      Douches gonna douche. If this actually happens, I’ll drink a douche.*

      *Two tablespoons apple cider vinegar in eight ounces water

      • Laces Out

        Rofl

        FOR REAL!

        High five man you are HILARIOUS

        • PiperAR

          Thanks. 😀

    • BlackKnigh

      That would be one of Kubiak’s worst nightmares….
      Ain’t happening!

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      This reply to Melissa Lockard’s tweet just makes you shake your head.

      February 7, 2018

      • RSH

        And this Mark Cinotto still received five likes for that inane tweet.

        • Yahmule

          The other five Charger fans.

          • Nick

            And in Las Vegas, too? He’s going to have some bad news coming his way in a couple of years.

          • Yahmule

            At least he’ll get to see his team once a year.

        • Ha, ridiculous.

        • Sparks

          It just goes to show that much like the ability to be parents, any idiot can have a twitter account.

  • Nick

    He needed to take the mic off the stand and then let it fall to the ground.

    https://twitter.com/SInow/status/961275884924817408

  • Nick
    • bradley

      Brings a smile to my old face.

      • Nothing like being fired by your agent, haha. I think McD believes he’s in line for the Pats job when BB retires but I’d bet dollars to donuts the Krafts understand the obvious – he’s a really good OC not suited to be a HC. Also, is the Pats job post Brady/Belichick any better than the Colts?

        • Jeremy

          If Luck is healthy Colts is better (ignoring personal preferences/family desires).

          If not than Colts is potentially much worse

          • True. Ballard said this AM that he’s on schedule for a recovery and no further surgery is required.

        • Russ

          Seems like Kraft slit his own throat here. Everyone now expects McD to take over eventually, and people also assume Kraft talked McD into returning. So, either he hires McD as HC eventually and suffers the consequences there, or he doesn’t hire him and earns himself the reputation as a two-faced liar himself.

          • BlackKnigh

            I think you are right about Kraft. I was wondering during the SB what was going to happen to the Pats losing both the DC and OC. I was thinking then that now would be a good time for BB to retire.
            Looks like Kraft couldn’t handle it. Any of it.
            McJedi – he may be out of the NFL when BB retires if he doesn’t take over for him – which it looks like he does not have the temperament to do.

    • RSH

      Josh McDaniels made a very poor decision on so many levels with reneging on his agreement to become the Colts’ head coach. I am absolutely floored by this situation and lack of foresight.

      • Clockwork Orange

        It doesn’t surprise me in the least. McDaniels showed what a low character individual he was during his disastrous tenure here. From the way he treated everyone around him, to the blatant cronyism, to getting caught cheating, to the fact that he steered this franchise into the iceberg with such a smug sense of self satisfaction the entire time. Not one former player or coach from his tenure here has a good thing to say about him. Hell, Ryan Clady recently took the opportunity to go on the radio here and blast him shortly after the ink was dry on his retirement papers.

        After being fired, he lasted one year with an organization that wasn’t the Patriots before he went slinking back to the place that accepts and nurtures his odious personality. I look forward to Belichick retiring and watching little Joshie flame out in the captains chair. He won’t be able to get a job washing jockstraps in the NFL afterwards.

        • RSH

          I should have been more specific as to I was floored by McDaniels not taking the Colts’ job. McDaniels obviously lacks the characteristics of trustworthiness, honesty, and integrity. The point that I was trying to make in my previous post is that McDaniels either trusts Robert Kraft to do right by him more than I would, or McDaniels has negotiated an ironclad, enforceable contract in which he will be Bill Belichick’s successor. Otherwise, McDaniels is taking a huge gamble now that he has burned bridges and scared off other teams from ever considering him to be their head coach.

          • Gimmee2

            Bingo…McDaniels had better gotten in writing that NE is going to give him a Gruden type contract after BB retires, because NE is the last NFL job he’s going to get.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Another angle: Why would any assistant want to join his staff at this point?

          • RSH

            And that assurance better be in the form of written contract that has no outs in it for Robert Kraft or the Patriots.

            https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/961372139701096449

    • Yahmule

      Burn them bridges behind you, boy!

    • RSH
    • MattR

      LaMonte really had no choice. He would lose all credibility in future negotiations (as well as losing Ballard and potentially others as clients). Will be interesting to see if McDaniels has problems finding a new agent after the shenanigans he just pulled.

  • The Color Orange

    Klis seems to think that we have our own Goff, Foles, and Keenum, in Lynch, Siemian, and Osweiler.

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/961305655515598848

    • If Jeff Fisher was our coach and was leaving, then maybe that would work!

  • The Color Orange
    • PiperAR

      Nate Jackson was still a Bronco when McD was hired? Huh. Didn’t know that. Did he spend all of 2008 on IR? The only thing I remember about the 2008 TEs was tackle-sized Chad Mustard, cut and re-signed weekly, made a 1st down catch and after the play made a point the ball downfield gesture.

  • The Color Orange
  • Yahmule
    • JMac

      LOL, That’s fantastic! Good for him just doing it because he loves the game.

      • Yahmule

        The hot stove has been so chilly, this is like a blockbuster.

    • Sparks

      So, feel good story aside, I would think there would be some verbiage in his contract precluding him from playing (or even practicing) another professional sport. Imagine the shit storm if he blows an ACL trying to stretch a single to a double in some meaningless preseason game.

      I know there have been others before him (Bo, Deion, MJ) but because of their talent, they probably had some clause in their contract allowing them to play multiple sports.

      Heck, didn’t Ryan Clady have a “no basketball game” clause in his contract after he blew his knee out?

      • Yahmule

        Sure, you want to put stuff like that in there, but it doesn’t mean you’ll hold up the contract if it’s something the guy is willing to be hardheaded about. My favorite activity ban in a contract wasn’t precluding black diamonds or motorcycles or anything like that. It was when the Brown family insisted on including a clause prohibiting Boomer Esiason from having a radio show in Cincinnati.

  • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      Reveal yourself, Rico.

    • Yahmule

      Stephen Holder’s comments in that video were interesting. The Colts already hired some of those assistants, so now their options are to ask the new coach to keep those guys on staff, or they have to fire them and eat the contracts. It’s really hard to overstate what a shitty person Josh is in the most fundamental sense.

  • PiperAR

    Russell Wilson traded to New York.

    • cjfarls

      Yankees 🙂

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Prepare for several versions of the Hitler Downfall meme to pop up instantly if Reich gets it.

  • RSH
  • Gimmee2

    Pretty cool technology from Intel, called freeD. I wonder how long before it’s available on demand, in game, on smart TVs. http://www.nfl.com/videos/freed-highlights

    • RyanHennigan

      What took Intel so long, I’ve been freeing the D for 20+ plus years and I don’t think I was the first.

      • Gimmee2

        Ha! I think you won the thread today! I guess Intel’s marketing team didn’t vet the name too well…

    • Carsonic

      I really like the POV zoom and the breaking-the-plane graphic. The rest of it felt like overkill, buuuut maybe that’s just because I’m in my 50s.

  • RSH

    Even talk about the New England Patriots and Josh McDaniels.

    https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/961270895502340102

    • The Color Orange
      • RSH

        Sanders seems like a quality dude. Maybe he is very different outside of the public eye. I think that we will miss his passion for the game and connection with our fans next season.

        • Yahmule

          He loves the city. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back here in the local media some day.

  • BlackKnigh

    On a very happy note: today is the 2 yr anniversary of Denver’s beating Carolina in SB 50!!

  • Hank Mardukis
    • BlackKnigh

      The team really needed decent TEs that season. They drafted a guy who wasn’t ready to play. Should of kept Nate!

      • RSH

        I would have gladly had Tony Scheffler and Daniel Graham on our roster the past three seasons. Cutting Jackson was really not the issue for me. It is the manner in which he was cut that bothers me.

        • Clockwork Orange

          It’s unprofessional and gutless. No coach enjoys cutting players (except maybe Belichick), but they at least give them the courtesy and respect to look them in the eye when they do it.

        • BlackKnigh

          Both of those guys would have made their presence known. Especially Graham – because he was a pretty good blocker and a steady hand.
          Yeah – you don’t cut guys by leaving a message for him. You talk to them eye to eye and hopefully give them some options to go on.

      • Clockwork Orange

        They traded up to the bottom of the 2nd round to take a guy who would have been available in the 5th. Quinn himself expressed surprise that he came off the board as early as he did.

        But hey, when you have a chance to burn draft capital to get a TE who caught 12 passes in college, you can’t pass that up.

  • Royalwithcheese
    • The 5th Amigo

      The kid has heart and is loyal, but his mouth will get him in trouble in the future. He’s like Trump, he has no filter.

  • Laces Out

    Fatt Patricia still headed to the Lions…or atleast his imposter is…

    http://larrybrownsports.com/football/matt-patricia-trims-beard-lions/426586

  • RSH
  • Royalwithcheese

    I thought Yahmule would appreciate this.

    https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/961329099246481408

  • Holzy
  • Laces Out

    Oh we should have known it was Saint Belichick who promised McDaniel’s the world… Too bad he won’t need any of that experience because he’d be hard-pressed to get another chance in the league to be a head coach anyway after that stunt.

    Why the hell are you interviewing for jobs if your main value is to not move your family?

    Someday his four kids will grow up and learn he’s a stooge

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22356403/meeting-bill-belichick-convinced-josh-mcdaniels-change-mind

    • Yahmule

      People use their children as props like this all the time. The guy was calling assistants and offering them jobs hours before he changed his mind. Keeping his kids in the same school district was obviously foremost in his mind at all times.

      • Laces Out

        Charlie Weis ripped him a new ass on the article I read too I mean he’s just f****** despicable I cannot stand shitstain like that