• QDoc

    Only 21 days until the combine! Woo hoo!

    • Paco Alonzo

      Already wow

    • Yahmule

      Gonna be a fun group this year.

    • Nick

      For me, it’s actually a good time to take as bit of a “break” from football as I can. I’ll still be here every day, of course, and one thing I still need to work on is doing some aggregate studying of the QB survey. But I have other things to catch up on, and I’m also squeezing in a quick trip to Vegas to see Penn and Teller soon. Once the comp picks get announced (I’m guessing Friday, February 23) the peak season for the NFL starts for me.

  • bradley

    Pete Prisco looks at the game:

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-2018-let-it-rip-belichicks-folly-and-more-lessons-learned-from-eagles-win/

    “Belichick is arguably the game’s greatest defensive mind ever. His ability to scheme a defense is second to none.

    And he came into the Super Bowl with a unit that didn’t have a lot of talent — especially up front — yet schemed them into a solid group.

    Then the Eagles exposed them badly Sunday night, bringing back into focus something I’ve preached for a long time: New England has let too many good football players on the defensive side of the ball get out the door.

    The biggest one is Chandler Jones, who had 17 sacks for the Cardinals this year as an edge-rushing star. Don’t tell me the Pats couldn’t have used him the past two seasons.”

    • Jeremy

      I’m glad Frank Reich and Doug Pedersen never had this kind of success when they were afc west offensive coordinators

      • Yahmule

        I expected Doug to be Andy Reid Lite.

        • RSH

          In more ways than one.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Interesting though that NE’s D looked so awful against BOTH Philly and KC. Have to figure Pederson got some useful insight from his old team.

        • Tyler

          NE’s D looked awful the first four weeks of the season before they turned it around. So it looked bad against more than just the RPO wrinkles KC and Philly threw in this year.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Ahhh. Selective memory on my part, then. Another sign (among many) that I’m getting old. Beats the alternative, I suppose.

    • BlackKnigh

      Which is probably why when Brady retires – unless they replace him with a pretty good QB – this team may go back to being a mediocre team.

  • Yahmule

    On this day, in 1895, the great Babe Ruth was born in the Pigtown section of Baltimore, MD.

    https://sabr.org/sites/default/files/Ruth-Babe-RedSox.jpg

    • Yahmule

      In 1921, a couple of researchers from Columbia University conducted series of tests on Babe to measure his cognition, motor skills, visual acuity, reflexes and anything else they could think of to somehow explain how Babe was so talented that he could literally outhomer every other team in MLB 1920, except Philadelphia, by himself. He would outhomer every AL team in 1927 when he set the single season record of 60.

      • Hank Mardukis

        “The King of Crash” is one of the best nicknames of all time.

      • BlackKnigh

        I heard that his vision was so good that he could read a license plate number on a vehicle when the person sitting next to him with 20/20 vision could just make out the color of the plate.

        • Yahmule

          Most great hitters have sharp eyes. Ted Williams had 20/10 vision and he claimed he could see the stitches on a pitched baseball.

          • BlackKnigh

            I remember watching a movie my sophomore year in HS in baseball practice where Ted Williams said that the difference between a 200 hitter and a 300 hitter was whether you could pick up the stitches on the ball as it came in.
            Roger Hornsby never watched a movie during his playing days. Must have helped him when he hit .424 in 1924. Williams hit .406 in 1941.

      • BlackKnigh

        Ruth was reputed to be able to hit an infield fly that went so high that some of the infielders would get dizzy standing under it for so long looking up. Also Ruth was said to have made it to 3rd base by the time it came down. He did not have good foot speed either.

    • BlackKnigh

      He was not only a great hitter – but also a very good southpaw pitcher. His record of 29.2 scoreless innings in the WS lasted until Whitey Ford eclipsed it in 1961.

      • Yahmule

        I remember discovering Babe Ruth as a little kid and reading about his records. When I read he was a great pitcher, too, it didn’t even seem real to me. Years later, I heard someone say if there hadn’t been a Babe Ruth, someone would have had to make him up. That comment took me back to the memory of that astonished little kid with the baseball book.

        It’s almost impossible to overstate his level of popularity and it transcended the United States, which was pretty incredible because his career ended long before people had televisions in their homes.

  • Drewredux

    I doubt it is possible in conjunction with Kirk Cousins, but I’d like to see Denver make a play for Jarvis Landry if he hits the market.

    • Yahmule

      That would be a major upgrade from Sanders, but Juice wants to get paid. He’s already irritated that slot guys make less, so he is going for the maximum. I was halfway hoping the Broncos would pursue when he was dangled for trade in September, but that was before I found out Gase thinks John Elway is a big meanie.

      • Yahmule

        Tyrod and Landry, if workable financially, would certainly upgrade the offense.

  • Nick

    And the Colts have officially taken a step down on my pecking order.

    https://twitter.com/Colts/status/960905690335404032

    • Yahmule

      I’m still amazed that he managed to get off on the wrong foot again and for the same fundamental reason as last time.

      • Did info. come out about why he was being so shady? Or just that he remains a dink?

        • Yahmule

          I don’t know any particulars. There’s nothing that could justify getting a handshake deal and then skulking around Bobby Petrino style anyway.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Next step, piss off Andrew Luck and trade him.

      • Yahmule

        That would be ideal. Not that I want him in Denver, unless it’s for way less than anyone would imagine. I just want to be able to cheer for the guy again and Irsay/McDaniels makes that tough.

        Watch Mr Tactful immediately agitate for a quarterback @ 3.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          I bet Rosen and McDaniels would really hit it off.

        • Drewredux

          I read somewhere that the draw of Andrew Luck was always McD’s primary attraction to Indy.

          Best case scenario (Luck can still play/McD has grown up), it could get scary for the rest of the AFC.

          • QDoc

            Or maybe he really has wood for Jacoby Brissett.

      • T. Jensen

        I think he owes at least that much

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Cutty is no Luck. I still say McD got tremendous value for that insufferable half-ass QB.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          He did get good value , but I wasn’t thrilled about what we did with those picks.

      • Sparks

        Try to trade him for Hoyer to complete the history lesson.

    • PiperAR

      The worst thing about McD being a head coach again is that insufferable anti-McD tirades will now happen several times a week.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Sure, but fortunately it’ll be Colts fans, not Broncos fans engaging in such tirades. 😉

        • Yahmule

          Colts fans are sighing in relief right now.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            They should be. Too bad for them their team is owned by the idiot Irsay family. Who knows,though. Even the horrendous Bidwell family got better once Bill stepped away….So maybe there is hope. The idiocy can’t continue for three generations, can it?

          • Nick

            Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

            –Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in his horrific Buck v. Bell opinion.

          • Yahmule

            Also horrific was that there was just a single dissenting vote.

          • Nick

            Joining Holmes was former President William Howard Taft, and Progressive Era icon Louis Brandeis. Eugenics was a helluva drug in 1927.

    • higher in pecker order, though. (for hiring one.)

  • RSH
    • T. Jensen

      Patriots always lose when there is a clutch Giants catch during the game.

      • DragonPie

        This includes when Von Miller is just playing like Andre the Giant (Mixed with Speedy Gonzalez of course).

        Now that I think about it, I really should have gone with a Osweiler height reference here.

  • Nick
  • RSH

    This is a very instructive and informative read with All-22 Film. The article discusses how Bill Musgrave has utilized RPOs previously in his offense as well.

    How Kirk Cousins Would Fit in the Denver Broncos’ Offense – http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/teams-nfl/afc-west/denver-broncos/2018/02/02/how-kirk-cousins-would-fit-in-denvers-offense/

    • Sparks

      Great read – thanks for posting.

    • pubkeeper

      I don’t know how I missed that Bill Musgrave spent a year as chip Kelly’s qb coach. That explains a lot. When he was with the Vikings his offenses weren’t that good. Then with the Raiders he coaxes the best outta Carr. I just figured he learned a trick or two somewhere between those times. Now I know where.

      • RSH

        And look at the Broncos’ new running backs coach, who was Chip Kelly’s offensive coordinator in San Francisco. The Broncos’ new wide receivers coach has spent most of his time coaching in college. The Broncos’ offensive line-tackles coach spent 19 years coaching in college except for last year in Denver.

        As I have repeatedly posted concerning Vance Joseph’s comments on the topic this offseason, more spread concepts and RPOs are coming to Denver’s offense next season. The quantity will be based on the quarterback(s) the Broncos sign and/or draft.

        • pubkeeper

          Yeah, I caught those comments too. You just take everything said with a grain of salt these days tho and, to be honest, a guy who’s been around as long as Musgrave isn’t always very interested in learning new things. This, plus all you just stated, gives me some hope things will change.

          • BlackKnigh

            When he was the QB for the Oregon Ducks – he often brought them back from a deficit. He played very well for those guys. Just didn’t have in the pros though. I can see some of that grittiness in him as a coach.

  • Hank Mardukis

    For any space fans out there you can watch live the SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch today. Whether it’s a success or a failure it should be pretty cool.

    http://www.spacex.com/webcast

    • RSH

      My friend has a great spot to watch the launch. He just posted an Insta Video about it.

      https://www.instagram.com/topgunn84

      • gobroncos

        That was neat watching them land from that angle. What a cool thing to witness. We watched it online here at my work.

    • bradley

      Pretty fucking cool!

    • DCJ1

      About 6:15 PST I was out in the backyard working with my son to get his pitching arm back into shape, and we think we saw the payload engines fire off. Could be wrong, but it was a very bright, fast-moving light which suddenly emitted a cone of bright light and headed very quickly to the east. I choose to believe so.

      I also choose to believe when the payload returns, it will be to a great sound-track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI-7MZMZhyM

  • Sparks

    I had no idea the Pats ‘let’ the Eagles win. Watching the game, it sure seemed that the Pats were trying to win themselves, but now I know better. That was very altruistic of them. Good thing that in this participation trophy world we now live in the Pats were around to do their part and share SB wins. What a fucking joke!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2018/02/05/gisele-bundchen-comforts-children-lesson-after-patriots-super-bowl-loss/306084002/

  • Drewredux

    So, yeah. I’m convinced that this our sleeper pick at 5. I know Q. Nelson will get most the love, and Fitzpatrick some, but this kid is highly likely to catch Elway’s fancy in the end.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/tremaine-edmunds?id=2560062

    • RSH

      Tremaine Edmunds would certaily not be the end of the world for the Broncos when it comes to using a fifth overall draft selection.

      SOURCES TELL US “Good luck with your player comp on this one. They don’t come like him. I don’t think there has ever been a linebacker that has had his size and speed. You’re better off comping him with a basketball player.” — NFC regional scout

      NFL COMPARISON Brian Urlacher

      BOTTOM LINE Edmunds combines elite size, speed and explosiveness into a productive, versatile linebacker package that will have evaluators salivating. Edmunds has posted high-impact production over the last two seasons and he still has room to get bigger and better. Edmunds will make mental mistakes and his instincts are subpar, but he has an ability to mitigate those issues with his athletic ability. Edmunds can play in any alignment at any linebacker spot and has All-Pro potential no matter where he lands.

    • Yahmule

      I could live with Edmunds. He’s a better fit for us than Roquan.

    • Sparks

      It’s guys like this, Nelson, Barkley or Fitzpatrick that would make it imperative to get a FA QB. If they don’t, I believe they will have to go QB at 5. Could they wait and hope a Jackson falls to Rd 2 or hope they can get back into the first to grab a sliding QB? Sure, but that’d be playing with fire. If they go into TC next year with TS, PL, Kelly and say Rudolph, I don’t care what blue chipper defensive piece we add, we’d be lucky to eke out an 8-8 season and probably worse if they don’t address the OL.

  • pubkeeper
    • Rob Rooney

      I wonder if it was the same guys who stole the Patriots defense…

  • Nick
  • Nick
    • Nick

      The conspiracy theory part of my mind keeps on thinking he’s got some head coach in waiting deal with the Patriots going on.

      • Yahmule

        The empirical evidence part of my mind is suggesting that his father didn’t raise a man.

        • This guy is such a loser. Colts dodged a bullet. No way Krafts hire that clown when BB finally retires.

        • Nick

          Well that’s long been well established.

          • Yahmule

            Apparently Kraft just sweetened his OC deal because he’s in panic mode over the possibility of losing all his coordinators.

          • BlackKnigh

            Yeah! Losing both those guys at this time of the year makes it very difficult to replace both of them with quality coaches. There would have been a dropoff with their offense with McJedi leaving.

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      ah ha ha haa.

      • Jeremy

        Why are people celebrating this?

        Love him or hate him, McDaniels has been a great OC for the Patriots.

        I was really looking forward to the high turnover on their staff this year. I think the stability they’ve had has significantly contributed to their success.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Patience. The Patriots will likely suck soon enough. When Belichek and Brady leave, it’s over, unless they happen to stumble upon another great QB. It’s soon all kaput.

          And, the Colts, well, while it would be nice to see the two asses paired up, I get the feeling that they’ll be unable to overcome their inability to protect Luck.

          • Jeremy

            I’m fucking tired of waiting. Who knows how long Brady/Belichick have left. I’m all for hastening their decline, whatever it takes.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            We could..spike the milk. Perhaps send over a plant to destroy the organization from the inside. We could start nasty anonymously sourced rumors about different members of the coaching staff, and Brady….

          • Jeremy

            Your just reminding me about circle of influence. Worry about things you can control…

            But FUCK YOU TOM BRADY

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Here Here!

        • BlackKnigh

          I was looking forward to that too.

    • Royalwithcheese

      !!!!!!

    • Nick
    • RSH

      It’s too bad that McDaniels didn’t do something like this by mentioning the instability of Jim Irsay as his reason.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5OFlPcEzbU

      • Yahmule

        That eight second clip doesn’t seem like much, but it’s the Gettysburg Address compared to the “I QUIT” he scrawled on a used hot dog wrapper in his initial resignation.

    • pubkeeper

      Wow. That’s quite a move there, Josh.

      • Steven Searls

        Maybe he just likes getting bitch slapped by Brady on the sideline.

    • RSH

      The Colts’ Twitter page is very awkward right now.

    • Nick
    • buahahahah.

      Also, I hadn’t thought of this but hmmmm…
      https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/961042524436656128

      • No. That was 100% Grigson. This is Chris Ballard who by all accounts has gone out of his way to repair the relationship with Pats.

    • Tyler

      Damn. I was really looking forward to watching that shit show.

    • RSH
      • Nick

        There’s one B too many in that tweet, and it portrays quite a disturbing thing…

    • RSH
  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Early Draft Profiles. Good to see someone agree with me that Rosen has actually mediocre arm strength despite the constant stream suggesting otherwise. http://www.nfl.com/m/draft/2018/tracker/position

    • Yahmule

      Saquan Barkley is the only guy with a higher grade than Quenton Nelson, edging him 7.5 to 7.45.

      Here’s Nelson’s full report. I’m not sure I could be talked into anybody else if I had a vote in that room.

      OVERVIEW

      Defensive linemen facing Nelson and Mike McGlinchey on the left side of the Irish’s line usually had a long day ahead of them. Nelson is a tough New Jersey kid who earned second-team USA Today All-American honors as a high school senior and was ranked in the top 50 overall recruits nationally as a guard. Notre Dame didn’t need him to suit up as a freshman, however, so he redshirted. Nelson got his chance in 2015, starting 11 of 12 games played at left guard (missing parts of two games with an ankle injury) next to 2016 first-round pick Ronnie Stanley. He and McGlinchey then manned the left side in all 12 games of the Irish’s disappointing 2016 season, though scouts weren’t disappointed with Nelson’s ability to move the line of scrimmage low and strong, as well as force defenders to the ground with regularity.

      ANALYSIS

      STRENGTHS: Built like a bank safe with wide hips, broad chest and powerful limbs. Known for intimidating power. Rarely beaten by power alone. Comes out of the blocks with good pad level. Unlocks powerful hips into contact. Can forklift defenders out of the gap creating massive running lanes. Extremely aggressive at point of attack and isn’t happy until he is imposing his will. Premier double team blocker along with teammate Mike McGlinchey. Uses plus leg drive to cave-in down blocks. Moves laterally and in space with adequate fluidity. Works his feet and hips into position to keep blocks secured. Has core strength and body control to make rare recoveries when beaten. Field aware and able to adjust his assignment. Pass sets from desired posture with wide base and evenly distributed weight. Punch is compact and powerful. Fires hands like pistons and is almost always first into the frame with jolt and extension. Able to lock out rushers and maintain complete control with quality mirror through rep. Has hand strength to snatch and sustain in pass pro and run game.

      WEAKNESSES: Has a tendency to drop his head into contact in front of him. Will lose sight of his target and whiff against slanting, arm-over specialists. Was on the ground more than he should be against Wake Forest defensive tackles looking to shoot gaps. Has a slight hitch when coming out of his stance as a pull blocker. Lingers on secure blocks a fraction too long before moving up to linebackers. May have to expedite his pace against NFL defenses. Still room for improvement in pass protection and keeping athletic rushers centered. Has had some injury concerns over the years.

      DRAFT PROJECTION: Round 1 (top 10)

      SOURCES TELL US: “He’s so unique because he’s big, but he’s not fat. He’s one of the best run blockers I’ve ever evaluated, but he’s not a liability in pass protection Mike Iupati is. He’s also an alpha who can bring an ass-kicking mindset into your position room.” – NFC team personnel executive

      NFL COMPARISON: Larry Allen

      BOTTOM LINE: Elite guard prospect with outstanding size, rare power and a block finisher who can make tape room sessions uncomfortable for most opponents. Nelson is technically sound and is unlikely to face a long adjustment period once he gets into the league. Nelson may need to make sure and keep his play speed high and prevent against taking his eyes off of his target when coming off the ball. Nelson has the traits and talent to become an All-Pro guard for years to come.
      -Lance Zierlein

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Barkley and Nelson are on the board at #5. Who do you take?

        • Yahmule

          I honestly can’t say right now. I think Nelson’s floor is probably higher and he’s much more likely to have a long career simply based on the physical demands of their respective positions.

          • gobroncos

            I agree. I’m generally opposed to taking a RB high in the draft. Their skill set relies on the O-line quite a bit. Bolster the O-line and any RB you throw back there will be productive. Put your Cap money elsewhere. If you happen to have the luxury of picking a great RB with other pieces in place, so be it, but for now, we have more pressing concerns.

          • BlackKnigh

            You just illustrated one of the reasons that Denver had so many 1000 yard rushers for many years in a row. They did throw just about any RB in there – and presto! He looked like an all pro!

        • Jason

          Nelson

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          I think I’d go Barkley. I love Nelson but damn that’s high for a guard, and Leary and McGovern could make for an effective pair of guards. I think it’s also possible to land another later if need be.

        • pubkeeper

          As hard as it would be to pass on Barkley, I’d take Nelson. I think his addition makes cj, Booker and Henderson better. Plus the career of a guard is longer in general than rb.

          • RSH

            I doubt that Anderson will not be on the Broncos in 2018, if they draft Barkley.

            EDIT: I misread your post. Nelson would definitely make all of our current running backs better.

        • Yahmule

          Barkley/Hernandez or Nelson/Michel?

          • RSH

            Barkley/Hernandez.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            They all have superstar potential. I am happy I don’t have to make those decisions.

        • BlackKnigh

          No doubt I’d take Nelson. Barkley would be somewhat neutralized until they fix this OL. Plus I would try to get his blocking buddy McGlinchey a little later in the draft. You could play the 2 rookies together as they have done so in the past – even though the best advice is to never play 2 rookies side by side.
          This guy could anchor the inside of our OL for 10 years.

          • gobroncos

            So then Bolles moves to the right side?

          • BlackKnigh

            I would put both Nelson and McGlinchey on the right side right away in TC. Move Leary back to the LG and keep Bolles @ LT. You would have a helluva OL once the rookies got settled.

          • Yahmule

            I wouldn’t move Nelson off left guard unless they took a family member hostage.

          • BlackKnigh

            I think you ARE serious!

          • Yahmule

            He is grading out high enough to break the machine. I would just let him be and sit back and watch him “not be happy until he’s imposing his will.” :~)

          • BlackKnigh

            Leary did OK on the right side last season. So did McGovern. That should work.

          • Yahmule

            I think McGlinchey might be better suited to RT in the NFL anyway. Speed gives him some problems.

          • BlackKnigh

            In the video that you posted last week – it looked like Nelson was playing RG. I was puzzled by what the overview said about him playing LG.

        • Steven Searls

          Nelson. Backs can get hurt anytime and be out of the league after only a few years.

  • Nick

    It’d be nice if a division rival gets weakened as a result. Maybe they can bring Olivo back? *snicker*

    https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/961041131432800256

    • Ha. He took a job already as Bears ASTC.

    • RSH

      If I was in the Colts’ front office, I would be interested in interviewing Frank Reich. He was on the Colts’ staff as an offensive assistant from 2008 through 2010. The Colts reportedly want an offensive minded head coach to help Andrew Luck rebound and develop further.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Can we call him Frank “The Third” Reich?

  • Royalwithcheese

    The quintessential Patriot. What a scumbag.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Do you think they promised him the head job? If not now, soon?

      • I really doubt it, just don’t see it from the Krafts…doesn’t seem like their kind of guy. And once Belichick and Brady retire, is the Pats job as attractive as the Colts with Luck (reports on his health are positive). And if I am wrong… don’t accept the job as of a couple weeks ago and then affirm the commitment earlier today to the point the Colts send out a tweet and set a press conference. This is way different than Belichik leaving the Jets.

      • Andrew

        They had to of made him the heir apparent and given him a raise I could see Belichuk being close especially after losing Jimmy G.

    • Yahmule

      That’s some Bobby Petrino shit.

    • Laces Out

      Let’s send them the leader of men and they can send us luck and that’ll make things all better

      • BlackKnigh

        If Elway did that – I would do 10 cartwheels in a row!

    • RSH
      • Yahmule

        Classy bunch from the top down.

        • Jeremy

          So McDaniels is just a pawn in their game.

          You (likely) destroyed your career and any chance for a head coaching opportunity anywhere in the league to stick it to someone your boss hates. Hope it was worth it.

          • Yahmule

            Next season will be pretty interesting in New England. They have to get a quarterback of the future, but I would feel bad for any of the guys in this class to have to go there while Brady is aging with all the grace of Bette Davis in What Ever Happened to Baby Jane.

          • John

            Yes, Josh is. He is no genius. As Bryan O’Leary said (author of Spygate: The Untold Story), he is a paper cutout. So is Patricia. He will fail as well (that’s the guy my friend calls The Welder because of his scruffy appearance).

        • Royalwithcheese

          Karma is gonna catch up with all of em. It already has with McD. He won’t ever coach anywhere else.

  • Jeremy

    Will this change the process of head coaching searches, where no team is able to begin their HCing search until after the playoffs?

    I’ve heard it argued as a business reason, where right now rather than being a dead 3 weeks, it could be a time of intrigue while teams look to hire new head coaches.

    It would delay rebuilding for a month for bad teams, but it would keep assistants in the playoffs from dealing with conflicting feelings about whether to interview or focus on the task at hand. It would also keep teams like the Colts from getting slighted like this.

  • Jeremy

    Theoretical question.

    If Kraft didn’t meddle and force Belichick to trade Garoppolo , but everything else had played out exactly the same, what would Belichick do at QB this offseason (again, assume Kraft isn’t meddling)? Trade Brady after 500 yards in the super bowl? Tag Garoppolo and try to get him to stay one more year and promise him the helm in 2019? Let Garoppolo walk and take the comp pick? Tag and trade Garoppolo?

    • Yahmule

      The Niners moved on from Montana to Young and the Colts moved on from Manning to Luck, so kicking a legend out of town while he still wanted to play isn’t unprecedented. Belichick has never been accused of being sentimental.

      • Jeremy

        Not unprecedented, but Montana had just missed two straight seasons and Manning one full season. Very different situations. They weren’t coming off an MVP season like Brady.

        Manning was due an ungodly sum of money, and the Colts had the greatest prospect in a generation waiting. I don’t know Montana’s contact situation, but Steve Young had just had back to back 1st team all pro seasons.

        This contrasts with Brady is playing for well below market value and Garoppolo who looks promising, but had 94 career attempt to his name when he was traded. (Try not to answer the question with the benefit of seeing what JimmyG did in San Francisco).

        • Yahmule

          I don’t think Belichick needed the San Francisco games to know he had a gem. Jimmy looked great in the two starts in 2016 and of course he was around him in practice for the better part of four seasons.

          Here’s a better comp

          Brett Favre was every bit the legend in Green Bay that Brady is in New England. He went 13-3 in 2007 and took his team to the conference championship, which they lost on a field goal in OT. He started the Pro Bowl and he was two years younger than Brady is now. Aaron Rodgers was an even bigger unknown than Garoppolo, having attempted just 35 passes in three seasons.

          • Jeremy

            That’s a better comparison. I thought the Packers would have rolled with Favre if he had committed to them but he was wishy washy so the moved on and made plans without him.

            Either way, I stand by the assessment that belichick wouldn’t force Brady out at this point, especially when he could tag Garapalo and in some ways have his cake and eat it too

    • Jeremy

      I’ll guess they would have tagged Garoppolo. I don’t think Bellicheck is ready to move on from Brady yet. How Garoppolo would have reacted would be trickier to predict. I imagine he would collected his 23.5 million and gritted his teeth, but it’s possible he would have asked for a trade or made his unhappiness about it be known.

  • DragonPie

    Colts dodged a bullet.

  • BlackKnigh

    With a solid GM – which he did not have in Denver – McJedi has the making of a decent HC. He simply tried to do too much when he was in Denver – and even confounded it by calling all the offensive plays. Mike McCoy was his OC.

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      He’s a prick… but, we got Elway, Von Miller, Manning (indirectly and down the road) and DT because of him. I don’t wish him well, since he almost destroyed the franchise, but I’m glad we had to go through his reign of terror, given how much stronger we eventually emerged. Let’s hope the hopefully super short Trump era leads to a similar rennaisance for the United States.

      • BlackKnigh

        I agree with your assessment of McJedi’s personality.
        I also agree with your hope about The Don’s short era – and the renaissance for the US. I do not listen to him any longer. I do not like to be lied to.

      • Kyle Milligan

        To quote Molly Shannon, “Don’t eeeven get me started…”

        So in your analogy, President Dump is McDaniels, which makes mueller elway, and comey must be.

        Or maybe mueller is manning. in that case, rod rosenstein is Elway and comey is still Tebow?

        Ah, shit I give up…

    • DragonPie

      Maybe he’s learned to not be a complete asshole to his players and not give them a fair shake. It didn’t start with Cutler. It started when he cut Mike Leach who had been a capable long-snapper and was well-liked in the locker room to pay more to bring a Patriot to do the job without even considering keeping a player who had long been reliable and was by all counts a credit to the franchise.

      I know it’s only a long-snapper, but that portended to how he was going to run the team and it was not shock that he failed.

      • BlackKnigh

        I had forgotten about him cutting Mike Leach in favor of the Patriot guy. Yeah – that was not only a low blow – it was really stupid if you want your team to play hard for you – even if they get paid to do so.

  • The same agent that was negotiating with the Raiders for Gruden while another of his clients JDR was still the HC represents Ballard and a McDaniels. Conflicts galore…

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/06/bob-lamonte-represents-chris-ballard-and-josh-mcdaniels/

  • Yahmule

    I know Will Hernandez, Billy Price and Isiah Wynn all have their fans and I think they’re all great prospects, but Quenton Nelson is really head and shoulders the best offensive lineman in this class at any position. The highlight films are fun because he makes so many splashly plays, but his down to down consistency is even more impressive.

    Nelson, Notre Dame’s 2017 Monogram Club Most Valuable Player, has started 35 times in his 36-game, three-year playing career. In 2017, he’s started all 12 games at left guard and ranks as the highest-rated offensive lineman in the country by Pro Football Focus (48.1) — next highest-rated lineman sits at 44.9. Nelson has far surpassed any other offensive guard in the country as well — next highest-rated guard sits at 39.0.

    Nelson has not surrendered a sack or QB hit, and allowed just two QB hurries in 819 offensive snaps this season. In fact, over his career (2,336 snaps), Nelson has surrendered just two sacks, none in the last two years, and only two quarterback hits.

    Nelson’s the highest-rated offensive guard in terms of run blocking in the country by Pro Football Focus (33.0) as well — next highest-rated run-blocking guard sits at 25.5.

    http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121217aaa.html

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nd/sports/m-footbl/auto_a_astorywide/12987960.jpeg

  • Royalwithcheese