• bradley
    • Steven_Searls

      Well, good to know. Would like to hear some of these guy’s thoughts on how Paxton is handling the huddle.

  • RSH
    • Steven_Searls

      I like the jersey but not paired with all orange pants. White pants would make this a classice uni.

  • bradley
  • Drewredux

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/05/fox-news-shows-eagles-players-kneeling-to-pray-not-protest/

    This kind of shit really annoys me. It’s blatant and obvious misrepresentation of the truth, yet millions of ‘Muricans gobble it as the gospel every damn day.

    • Drewredux
      • Tyler

        Also of annoyance on that fox news clip is the label “No Fly Zone” on a team other than Denver.

        • RSH

          Fox News definitely has zero credibility now!

          • Alaskan

            You mean they had some before?

          • RSH

            It was a joke, as this is a Broncos’ site first and foremost along the lines of if you mess with the Broncos, then we get really riled up.

          • Alaskan

            I know. I was just joking too.

      • Yahmule

        Religion has always been nothing more than a propaganda tool for the right. These people traditionally hide behind the bible, the flag and children and they’ll sell out all three for a goddamn nickel.

        • Steven_Searls

          I think they’d charge more than a nickel but point taken.

          • Yahmule

            If they can get it they will, but many of them will sell their constituents down the river for next to nothing.

      • Jason

        It’s the dumbing down of America man. Everything is black and white, for us or against us.

        I never thought I’d see the day a president question the merit of citizenship based on expression of free speech, let alone see the masses gobble it up instead of demanding he find something better to focus his attention on.

        I’ll just continue to be a tax paying, law abiding, responsible owning follower of Jesus who is continually forced to choose between lesser of evils at election time.

      • Steven_Searls

        Fox removed the tweet. Cowards.

    • Drewredux
    • Yahmule

      Fox News lied, huh? Man, 30 seconds passes quickly.

      • Drewredux

        This is at least a step worse than average, I think.

        • Yahmule

          One of the most succinct and accurate obits I ever saw, “Roger Ailes: He hated people and thought they were morons.”

          • Hank Mardukis

            Unfortunately for the rest of us he wasn’t wrong.

      • John

        Fox News Lied? Get right out of town (lol).

  • bradley

    President Donald Trump cancels Eagles’ White House visit over anthem issue

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/president-donald-trump-cancels-eagles-white-house-visit-over-anthem-issue/

    Some interesting information here.

    • RSH

      This story from NPR’s May 27 Weekend Edition Sunday, which is somewhat related to this post, was very good on the topic.

      https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1000957587083309057

      Well, I think they’ve taken the position that the NFL has decided to fully engage with this culture war initiated by the president when he first attacked the NFL players back in September. One of the questions of the book that I was asking is, who gets to be the patriot? And when the president first called the players unpatriotic, then said that they shouldn’t have jobs, now he’s even saying that dissenting players maybe shouldn’t even be in the country. And that the NFL is going along with it, as well, I think this has really reignited some really bad blood between the players and the owners. . . .

      Well, it is seen as a hostile act by the players. There’s no question about that. But one of the things, Lulu, that does get me about this is that we talk so much about division, but one of the things that has been very clear – one of the unifying themes – is the fact that none of the veterans that this is supposedly about – even though the players are fighting against police brutality – nobody wants to see the flag or the national anthem weaponized. They don’t want to see citizenship weaponized. And the veterans that I’ve spoken with do not want to be used as commercial props. And yet sports is doing both. And so it’s sort of ironic in a way that all of this patriotism and nationalism was supposedly brought to bring people together post-9/11, and it’s been the most divisive thing in America, which is a very strange thing to be talking about on Memorial Day weekend. . . .

      Well, I think the players do not want their citizenship questioned. What they’re doing in this protest is the ultimate example of citizenship. But instead, what we’ve seen in sports over the last couple of years now is to paint the players as unpatriotic instead of thinking about their reasoning, which is police misconduct and about supporting some of the people who don’t have a lot of power in our country. It’s been directed toward the flag as if the players don’t care about their country when, actually, they do. For how many decades did we say that we were tired of these athletes being so rich and so detached? Now they’re involved, and we’re calling them unpatriotic. That’s one of the great collisions about this.

      • Steven_Searls

        It is a hostile act, and a cowardly one, and it won’t help their bottom line one bit. They would have been better off doing nothing.

    • Nick
  • Kyle Milligan

    Since the NFL’s new rule was announced – in my opinion a clear infringement upon free speech – I have been trying to find a justification for continuing to follow or watch games this fall.

    Any good ones floated here? I’m in need.

    • Russ

      Because it’s fun, we all die eventually, and in the end, we were mostly all just selfish beasts thriving off the misfortune of others.

      EDIT: this may not have answered your question, but it is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.

    • Yahmule

      The player backlash?

      • Kyle Milligan

        That might just do it

    • Carsonic

      Compartmentalization is your friend.

    • G Mik

      We can point to ownership being a bunch of old out of touch white dudes but at the end of the day their business suffered because of it. There was a huge fan backlash and POTUS, well he is who we thought he was and further inflamed the situation. When you have billions of dollars wrapped up you have to do something to protect it. I’m not justifying it but I at least acknowledge they are letting them protest by staying in the locker room. This will be a bigger story than kneeling.

    • Steven_Searls

      The NFL owners and Goodell can’t seem to stop making this worse. But then, that’s been their modus operandi since Goodell became Commissioner.

      • Nick

        They’re desperately trying (and failing) to find a way to stay neutral on this, and both sides won’t let them do it.

        • Steven_Searls

          This last decision was far from neutral. They should have negotiated with the players to promote causes in every city the players want addressed, from homelessness, police shootings, need for better inner city schools, etc.

          And by all accounts there wasn’t even a real vote taken. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-reportedly-didnt-vote-on-the-leagues-new-national-anthem-policy/

          • Nick

            Hence the “and failing” parenthetical.

        • G Mik

          Yes but even Goodell has come out and criticized Trump and his responses. Sadly, there is no benefit to this. The Trump Zombie’s are 1,000,000x the Tebow Zombies.

    • T. Jensen

      There is no way its an infringement upon free speech. Companies aren’t subject to the amendment, I’m not even sure government entities (like IRS are subject to it at least as long as the employee is violating a code of conduct in the speech). I can get fired/demoted/reprimanded for my words and actions at my job.

      The NBA has had the same rule for quite a while both corporations are essentially trying to put on the best show possible for us and both feel the Anthem should be drama free. Now whether or not its a good policy is surely debatable. Personally I think they should either do away with it or enforce a very strict anthem policy for all stadium employees (no sales etc during the anthem). It’s hypocritical to force the players to be respectful while making a profit off of $15 beers during the anthem.

      • RSH

        Good take.

      • Nick

        I agree that there’s no First Amendment issue here. (There could be one if state actors attempt to do something within publicly owned venues, but that’s not in play here.)

        But “free speech” can also refer to the spirit of the concept as well as the narrower legal/constitutional definition.

      • Steven_Searls

        True, it’s not a free speech issue since the government is not suppressing speech. Some have argued it’s a Labor Law issue, but I’m not qualified to offer any opinion on that.

        • Nick

          On the labor law front it would come down to which parsing of the CBA the courts accept, like they did with Article 46 (Commissioner Discipline).

        • RSH

          Players or the Players Association could try to argue racial discrimination in the form of a disparate impact as the vast majority of those who have protested are African American, but players of other racial backgrounds have also protested. The strength of such a complaint could prove to be tenuous.

          Title VII prohibits both “disparate treatment” and “disparate impact” discrimination.

          Title VII prohibits intentional discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. For example, Title VII forbids a covered employer from testing the reading ability of African American applicants or employees but not testing the reading ability of their white counterparts. This is called “disparate treatment” discrimination. Disparate treatment cases typically involve the following issues:

          -Were people of a different race, color, religion, sex, or national origin treated differently?
          Is there any evidence of bias, such as discriminatory statements?

          -What is the employer’s reason for the difference in treatment?

          -Does the evidence show that the employer’s reason for the difference in treatment is untrue, and that the real reason for the different treatment is race, color, religion, sex, or national origin?

          Title VII also prohibits employers from using neutral tests or selection procedures that have the effect of disproportionately excluding persons based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, where the tests or selection procedures are not “job-related and consistent with business necessity.” This is called “disparate impact” discrimination.

          See 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2 (k). This method of analysis is consistent with the seminal Supreme Court decision about disparate impact discrimination, Griggs v. Duke Power Co., 401 U.S. 424 (1971).

          • MattR

            What are your thoughts on the arguments put forth in this Forbes article?
            To expand upon that last point, while any U.S. citizen including a government official is legally entitled to share his personal viewpoint on any topic, a member of the U.S. government must be careful not to cross the line into threatening the “invoking legal sanctions and other means of coercion, persuasion, and intimidation” to induce private entities to act in a way that chills free speech rights. As the Supreme Court’s noted in the 1963 decision Bantam Books Inc. v. Sullivan, that would amount to a violation of a private citizen’s First Amendment rights.

            Since the Supreme Court’s important Bantam Books decision, at least one subsequent, lower court decision — Playboy Enterprises v. Meese III — has gone even further in protecting private citizens’ rights to free speech. There, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia stated that a government employee, in his or her official capacity, cannot even seek to initiate a third-party boycott of a private entity that speaks against the government’s position on an issue. This holding again seems to indicate that President Trump’s tweets encouraging a boycott of the NFL, in itself, may run afoul of Constitutional free-speech protections.

          • RSH

            I would need to read the Playboy case in its entirety, but this sounds like a plausible cause of action. I would have to see what the remedy is and how to establish standing to bring the cause of action.

      • Prater2Beadles4Six

        It’s so fucking ridiculous that that draft dodging, gold star family insulting, POW disparaging piece of shit who once said that avoiding getting VD was his personal Viet Nam, is the arbiter of what patriotism and respect for the military is. This Onion article isn’t that far off:
        https://local.theonion.com/unpatriotic-man-does-not-maintain-erection-during-natio-1821214706

        • T. Jensen

          As a libertarian I find it hilarious.

          Trump has always been a NY liberal and the fact he leveraged his hollywood “acting” to appeal to the right is laughable. The amount of hatred from the left is also laughable.

          • gobroncos

            How is the hatred from the left laughable? Trump is a terrible person, a terrible president and he makes a mockery of all our values as Americans.

          • Yahmule

            Trump’s very first mention in a public forum was in 1973 when he was being sued for discriminatory housing practices in his apartment buildings. If you had a black sounding name or you sounded black on the phone, your rental application got a big C written across the top for “colored” and you never got a call back.

            Liberals do not believe in racial discrimination in housing.

            The next time Trump got a lot of national attention was when he wanted the so-called Central Park Five executed without a trial. He still wanted them executed after it was proven they didn’t rape the jogger who was attacked that night.

            Liberals do not believe in arresting the first black guys located in the vicinity of a crime and we don’t believe in capital punishment. We really don’t believe in capital punishment for black guys who have been exonerated by DNA evidence.

            Of the many disgusting lies told to enable Trump’s crimes, that he was ever a liberal is probably the most cynical. Paying for enough kids to be aborted to field a baseball team doesn’t make you a liberal. It just means you’re a piece of shit.

        • Yahmule

          Not to mention the barbaric practices of ICE and the 4.600 dead Americans in Puerto Rico. Trump and many of his supporters enjoy senseless cruelty against defenseless people.

      • Kyle Milligan

        Thanks for the civil and lucid explanation.

        My thought was this:
        If I was reprimanded at work for the same or, say, not praying with the group, I would be upset enough to do something – not sure what.

        Maybe these aren’t the same, and maybe neither of these qualify as a violation of a person’s rights. I will certainly concede that.

        • T. Jensen

          I get that but if you are doing something your employer doesn’t like and they ask you to stop there’s not much you can do besides keep doing it until they take more argessive action or quit, which is certainly an option for nfl players as well though not a great one.

  • RSH

    https://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/1004018777497972738

    During his tumultuous rookie season trying to catch and return punts for the Broncos, Isaiah McKenzie had to have a, “I just did what?” moment, right?

    “Plenty of times,” McKenzie said.

    And that sums up McKenzie’s 2017 when he performed well enough to win the job a full month before the season started, only to struggle mightily. Plenty of times, he fumbled. Plenty of times, he showed poor decision making. And plenty of times, he was confused about his decision.

    A fair catch at Miami in December was the first one that McKenzie cited after Monday’s seventh organized team activity workout.

    “Caught it inside the 10 and thought, ‘Why did I do that?’” he said.

    He caught the punt at his 5-yard line. Three plays later, Miami scored a safety and rolled to a 35-9 win. It was McKenzie’s final game as a punt returner.

    The Broncos could have given up on McKenzie as a punt returner and cited only his statistics as the justification.

    Per Stats, Inc., McKenzie’s 32 offensive touches were tied for 314th in the NFL last year, but he was tied for 20th (and tied for second among non-quarterbacks) with six fumbles (lost two). His 18.8 fumble percentage was first among all players with at least 12 touches.

    “I’ve said it plenty of times: Unacceptable,” he said.

    On draft weekend, McKenzie had to accept the Broncos’ decision to select Courtland Sutton and DaeSean Hamilton, pushing him down the depth chart.

    “I was like, ‘We got two of the best receivers in the draft,’” McKenzie said . “And then I said, ‘This is about competition every day.’”

    McKenzie is getting another shot to compete. During Monday’s OTA, he worked at slot receiver and caught punts alongside Hamilton, Phillip Lindsay and Brendan Langley. McKenzie and Hamilton were 5-for-5 in catching punts, Langley was 4-of-5 and Lindsay 4-of-4.

    “We’ve got four, and obviously Jordan Taylor when he’s back from his (hip) injury will be catching punts, also,” coach Vance Joseph said. “It’s an open competition and the more the merrier.”

    McKenzie is in a tough spot — he wants to wipe last year from his memory, but must remember it so he doesn’t repeat it.

    If that sounds complicated, so is returning punts. Let it hit the turf, call a fair catch or try to return it? Turn up the middle of the field or head for the sideline? McKenzie had returns of 29, 31, 31 and 44 yards last year, but those were overshadowed by the blunders.

    “I even look at them now,” he said of his mistakes, “I say, ‘OK, I could have done this better, I could have done that better, I could have made a way better decision.’ I look at it, learn from it and leave it behind me.”

    McKenzie admits his confidence was shaken last year following a career at Georgia that included five punts returned for touchdowns. He has spent the offseason rebuilding it. He believes he can be an effective punt returner. He believes he can help the offense as a slot receiver.

    “It’s a fresh start,” McKenzie said. “I feel like I came in this year with a good mindset. I feel more comfortable with the plays on offense and I’m catching the ball well on punt returns. I just want to keep it rolling.”

    • Steven_Searls

      I wish him well. Make a nice redemption story if he can pull it off.

      • Jason

        Agreed.

      • RSH

        He has serious potential. He just needs to check, get fundamentally sound, and crosscheck, before turning on the jets.

        • Nick

          Better ST coaching should help, too.

    • bradley

      Stokley: Last year’s behind Isaiah McKenzie, let’s ‘hold off judgment’

      http://1043thefan.com/2075064/stokley-isaiah-mckenzie-judgment/

    • Yahmule

      This happens to rookies in every sport. You come into your first game and the adrenaline is practically uncontainable. You try to do too much and make a mistake. You spend a bunch of time inside your helmet on the sideline replaying your mistake and you can’t wait to make a big play to redeem yourself. Sure enough, another mistake and they can keep cascading. Joseph and Bingo did him, and our collective stomach acid, no favors by running him back out there repeatedly.

    • DragonPie

      My feeling is that he doesn’t need to remember what he did to improve his craft as far as catching punts goes. For him, just repetitions and practice would probably be enough. Just hammer and hammer away until you aren’t making those mistakes.

  • bradley
  • bradley
    • BABA BOOEY

      Where is the follow up article giving the plethora of reasons the Chiefs will lose in the 1st round of the 2018 NFL playoffs?

      • G Mik

        It’s just assumed. Doesn’t really require an article.

        • BABA BOOEY

          lol touché

        • Nick

          Sure it does, someone has to come up with and describe a more painful and creative way to lose than blowing an 18-point lead at home that included the opposing QB throwing a touchdown to himself.

          • Steven_Searls

            That was exceptional, wasn’t it.

          • T. Jensen

            I am really sad that happened in post season. I’d love for fantasy teams to have won from all the points from a single pass (assuming he gets points for the passing yards, receiving yards, passing TD and receiving TD).

      • Yahmule

        1) No organization hates their fan base more.

  • Carsonic
    • JMac

      Nice to see a positive story on Gotsis. Has anyone seen an update on his case?

      If he is guilty, I hope he is charged and put away. If he is innocent, what a horrible thing to have hanging around your neck for the rest of your life. Due to the accusation there will always be people who despise him, whether or not he did anything wrong.

      *I have no opinion on whether he is innocent or guilty – there’s just no info about it at this time*

  • Nick

    This ought to get some good dead season offtopic talk here.

    https://twitter.com/SevaUT/status/1003994294003404800

    • The Color Orange

      No one promoted violence like the Village People and the B-52s.

      • Nick

        And yet it was Canned Heat that was the only one to get the “homosexuality” label.

        • Carsonic

          Is “Goin’ Up the Country” a euphemism for something?

      • Carsonic

        And Madness??

        • Yahmule

          Their very name invokes hysteria, comrade.

      • Yahmule

        Or Yazoo.

      • Carsonic

        Whenever I wanted to get hyped up into an aggressively violent mood, I’d always reach for my Depeche Mode tapes.

      • T. Jensen

        YMCA almost single-handedly brought down the Berlin wall.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Julio Iglesias?? Haha

      • RSH

        As a neofascist, but not considered erotic. Odd classification there.

    • Nick

      The biggest WTF for me: on what planet is KISS considered punk? (The planet of Soviet Russia, apparently.)

    • Steven_Searls

      I’m just happy I know those groups. RE: today’s music scene I only know whoever my daughter tells me is the greatest ever (changes by the month).

    • Yahmule

      Their religious obscurantism is one of the coolest things about Iron Maiden.

    • Yahmule

      “Next for consideration is American band The Plasmatics, surely they will be banned. Is that…is that masking tape?”

      “Not so fast, this girl Wendy, she destroys televisions, symbol of American decadence with chain saw. And this song, “Butcher Baby”, it reminds me of tune my Uncle Gyorcyzk would play on balalaika. Approved!”

      • Nick

        I learned about Wendy O. Williams at an unusually young age because amazingly there was a video game character named after her.

  • JMac
    • RSH

      Color Rush with old logo. I just wish it was with white pants instead of orange.

      • Nick

        Also, it’s the first time those jerseys will be worn at home.

        • RSH

          Yup. I don’t foresee the Broncos wearing orange jerseys on the road at all this season. The only real possibility would be at the Jets, who sometimes randomly wear white jerseys at home, particularly early in the season.

  • Nick
    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Do they make a distinction between ALS and CTE? Aren’t the symptoms basically identical?

      • Yahmule

        My layman’s guess would be that ALS is a genetic condition and CTE is acquired.

        • Steven_Searls

          http://www.alsa.org/about-als/what-is-als.html

          There are two different types of ALS, sporadic and familial. Sporadic,
          which is the most common form of the disease in the U.S., accounts for
          90 to 95 percent of all cases. It may affect anyone, anywhere. Familial
          ALS (FALS) accounts for 5 to 10 percent of all cases in the U.S.
          Familial ALS means the disease is inherited. In those families, there is
          a 50% chance each offspring will inherit the gene mutation and may
          develop the disease. French neurologist Jean-Martin Charcot discovered
          the disease in 1869.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        ALS and CTE have different etiologies, symptomatology and physical exam findings. Both awful disorders though.

        In general, most neuro diseases are sad. We have so few treatments for them.

  • JMac

    Can’t a team activate someone off the PUP list at some point?

    On another note, signing a deal to get $500k with both sides knowing you won’t actually play a game is a pretty sweet deal!

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1004043296015036417

    • Nick

      Some time between Weeks 7-9, but that may be moot if they know he has no hope this year.

  • Drewredux

    The more I watch of Courtland Sutton, the more I like him. He is competitive, has great ball skills, and seems to have a tremendous attitude and work ethic. Very likeable guy.

    https://youtu.be/Rrt3zGDy0fg

    • Andrew

      Seems like the biggest knock most have on him is doubts he can get separation at this level, but I remember that being said about plenty of good wr’s in the past 10-15 yrs when they were prospects Dez, Crabtree, and BMarsh to name a few.

      • SteveS

        Just need to go to the Michael Irvin School of Pushing Off – it’s an art!

      • Drewredux

        He is a better route runner than I anticipated from reading scouting reports. If he refines that skill, which is entirely doable, he should be fine. Good routes compensate a lot for the lack of ideal twitch.

  • Yahmule
  • Nick

    I was doing some historical study on comp picks, and did a Reddit search for “compensatory”. In the past, the top three subreddits were the NFL, the Packers, and the Ravens. But now the Broncos have supplanted the Ravens and have climbed all the way to the top. Pretty cool.

    • Jeremy

      Did you look far enough to see what the most non football subredit that came up was?

      That word has always sounded so awkward to me.

      • Nick

        Today I Learned and Legal Advice were the first two non NFL ones I found. Makes sense.

        Unfortunately, one topic I do see pop up every now and then are MRA types whining about an incredibly obscure philosophy known as “compensatory feminism”.

  • Nick

    Elway is relatively restrained compared to some others on Twitter.

  • T. Jensen

    Its Twitter, what isn’t awkward?

  • RSH

    Pet Peeve: When a mailed envelope states, FINAL NOTICE, and the enclosed letter is simply a services solicitation, particularly where no offers have been made previously. This is paper’s version of clickbait.

    • bradley

      If they include a postage paid return envelope, wrap a brick in brown paper, tape the postage paid thing on it and mail it to them.

      • RSH

        No return envelope. Only an 800 number with very misleading information about federal student loans that someone without a law degree, who understands federal student laws and regulations very well, could be duped by.

      • Nick

        Or if a brick is unavailable, just stuff all your other junk mail in there. Two problems solved!

      • gnasses

        They never have real return addresses, but if they do…

        https://shipyourenemiesglitter.com/

        also, http://www.shipadick.com

        • Carsonic

          [Right-click > Open Link in New Private Window]

          • gnasses

            Hahaha, for $9.99 you can send a giant paper dick with a note on it. Better prank for friends than glitterbomb.

    • Nick

      The most mendacious example I’ve seen are envelopes that are shaped like invitations or thank you cards, and have an actual person’s name on the return address–only to trick you into opening a promo for DirecTV. If you get anything mysterious from El Segundo, CA, that’s what it is.

    • Yahmule

      Shit like that is how Daniel Snyder made his money.

    • Nick

      Also on this topic, one of the websites I followed back in the early days of the internet was No More AOL CDs. That company was horrible in so many ways.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20040701003059/http://www.nomoreaolcds.com:80/

      • RSH
      • Jeremy

        I remember seeing those everywhere but not quite getting it. The computer teacher at school would collect them and decorate the classroom with them.

        • T. Jensen

          My teacher did too!

    • Russ

      Five(!) times today I’ve received a robocall from the “IRS” telling me–in relatively broken English–to call back to find out what serious charges they have filed against me. Does anyone know how I report this?

  • The Color Orange
    • bradley

      Fuck

    • RSH

      Sucks for Ray and the Broncos. Bradley Chubb is now going to be the Defensive Rookie of the Year.

    • Hank Mardukis

      Damaged goods.

      • Steven_Searls

        It’s beginning to look that way. Very sorry for the young man.

  • The Color Orange

    Sounds like the Broncos had a great day of practice yesterday.

    “To begin the third set of OTAs, the Broncos held an open practice and they will have three more practices prior to the minicamp, which kicks off on June 12.

    “ ‘It was a good day for us after the long weekend,’ head coach Vance Joseph said. ‘The guys came out and worked, so I was really pleased.’ ”

    https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/ContentGallery/Highlights-top-moments-from-third-week-of-Denver-Broncos-OTAs-118793803/#118793803_1

    • Tyler

      It’s about time. Tired of hearing about all the bad practices.

  • Carsonic

    No. Very odd.

  • JMac

    His lack of a brash, outgoing demeanor really does have him falling outside of people’s thoughts – but when you look at his stats DT has been SO solid, through the good QBs and the bad, and also through injury:

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1004094123870076930

    • Kush-Lash

      Completely agree. I’ve pegged him and Rod Smith as 1A and 1B for franchise best ever… and really, I think he deserves the 1A spot.

      • bradley

        Oh, man. Haven Moses and Lionel Taylor?

        • Kush-Lash

          I definitely suffer from recency bias as an elder millennial, but I have the same admiration for DT as I do for Lebron James… lighting in the bottle with the right supporting cast and just an unbelievable physical specimen. Having said that, I suffer from recency bias with LBJ too because I also think he’s the greatest NBA player ever.

          • Nick

            Hm, not sure when you were born, but I would think 80s kids who followed sports as a kid would have direct memories of Jordan, and of Rod Smith if they were at least Broncos fans.

          • Kush-Lash

            Listen, don’t get this Denver native wrong, Rod was amazing. Absolutely amazing. And if you compare playoff stats with DT, it’s a no brainer. But, DT is just a physical freak and I love what he’s done these last two seasons just as much as his first few. It’s just my fandom speak coming out. Love them both tho

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Lebron is great, but Michael Jordan was out of this world. He might be the best pro athlete of all time. I’m biased as a “Generation Xennial”. I’m sure my Dad would say Kareem Abdul Jabaar was the best.

          • Kush-Lash

            No doubt, and every comparison really is splitting hairs. The generation before that would prob say Wilt Chamberlain is GOAT too. I just think JBJ is a better athlete than MJ.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            At least You didn’t say Kobe. (Barf)

          • Yahmule

            Magic Johnson was unbelievable. He won championships at all three levels in a four year span. The Michigan High School Championship in 1977, the NCAA Championship in 1979 and the NBA Championship as a rookie in 1980. In the deciding sixth game against the Dr J led 76ers, Magic started @ center for the ailing Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He winds up playing all five positions in the game and scores 42 points and collects 15 rebounds and 7 assists, along with three blocked shots. In his 12 year illness shortened career, he won five NBA titles and he got to the Finals four other times. He did it all with a style that was all his own. Nobody had ever heard of 6’9″ point guards before the kid from Lansing came around.

            Jerry West was pretty awesome, too. He’s very much a LeBron ancestor in that he constantly faced superior teams in the Finals, while being arguably the best player on the floor, throughout his career. One NBA title and eight agonizing losses in the Finals despite consistently superlative performances, even winning the Finals MVP in 1969, averaging 37.8 points a game, in another seven game loss to the damn Celtics.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I cheered for the Lakers every time they played the Bulls. Magic Johnson really was the shit. I Remember crying when I heard he had HIV. Back then, it was a death sentence. He kicked its ass .

          • Tyler

            As a huge Jordan fan I too think LBJ is the GOAT. The argument that does it for me is the year Jordan played baseball the Bulls still won more than 50 games. The year James went to to Miami the Cavaliers went from 61 wins to 19.

          • bradley

            “…but Michael Jordan was out of this world. He might be the best pro athlete of all time.”
            Secretariat gets my vote for that, but if you exclude him then it’s Jordan hands down. The man could fly, literally.

          • Kush-Lash

            I don’t hold horses in the same regard as human athletes, but can def appreciate the level of greatness that came from Secretariat. I actually hold Serena Williams in the upper echelon of greatest professional athletes of all time.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            As a Sonics fan, I was eager to see him retire. Sort of how I’m currently feeling about Brady.

        • VonSwenson

          Well, Haven Moses caught more than 40 passes in a season once. No Pro Bowls or All Pros. He was the only decent receiver on the Morton-era teams.

          Lionel Taylor, on the other hand, led the league in receptions five times, including the first 100-catch season. He was (AFL) All-Pro four times. That’s pretty impressive.

  • RSH
    • bradley

      Bolles is going to be a beast. After college, with classwork and all, and his 2 year mission, he’s finally had a good chance to work on his “nfl body”. Hopefully, being bigger and stronger will allow him to avoid the penalties.

      • RSH

        I like your optimism!

  • RSH
    • Andrew

      If we could get solid play from Veldheer and have him be the veteran mentor that Bolles needs after an uneven rookie campaign I’d be a happy camper to say the least.

  • Tyler

    This is from yesterday but I hand’t seen it yet. I find this pretty surprising.

    https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/1003731597651107840

    • RSH

      Joseph may be engaging in more player challenges through the media this season.

    • pubkeeper

      I think this is a reaction to how handing Isaiah McKenzie with no competition worked out last year. This year they’re pushing competition everywhere except qb.

  • Drewredux
    • bradley

      “In the days before anthem protests, players on the sidelines, flush with adrenaline, might rock back and forth or clutch their collars. Fans might hold their beer or nachos. Some folks fold their hands, as in prayer, and others cross them behind their backs. There are no patriotism police ordering exact posture and gestures, because this is America.”

  • Hank Mardukis

    https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-is-too-dumb-to-realize-that-donald-trump-is-nev-1826558748

    Best, most concise take down of the NFL and Trump I’ve read.

  • Nick