• The Color Orange

    Another draft scenario being suggested by Albert Breer. The Broncos miss out on all the QBs and then trade down to allow the Bears to draft Quenton Nelson.
    https://predominantlyorange.com/2018/04/12/denver-broncos-trade-chicago-bears/

  • bradley
  • bradley

    Todd McShay: None of the 2018 draft QBs are better prospects than Blaine Gabbert was

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/todd-mcshay-2018-nfl-draft-qb-grades-comparison

    ESPN’s Todd McShay looked through his pre-draft evaluations of every quarterback taken in the first round in the last decade, and McShay found that Robert Griffin III, Mark Sanchez and Blaine Gabbert all received higher pre-draft grades than any of the vaunted class of 2018, including Sam Darnold, Josh Allen or Josh Rosen.

  • MarsLineman

    Hi guys, I promised a longer version explanation of the Case Keenum (and Kirk Cousins) situation a few weeks ago. Seeing as it ties into some larger NFL observations from the past few years (and is also relevant to the upcoming draft), I thought I’d put together a few articles on the topic, starting with a look back at my 2017 preseason predictions. If you’ve noticed that I’ve typically divided players into anterior-focused vs posterior-focused, you already know the general thrust of my observations. And just to start the ball rolling, here’s a diagram from Wikipedia illustrating these two sides of the human body (via the labeled lateral view)-

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/72a1e8e7d926f71c2e1852a8b654426cf521eceba75ae16058b6e1b5638546d2.png

    • pubkeeper

      Oh yeah, bring it homey!

    • MarsLineman

      Here’s my Siemian write-up from preseason 2016, with a bit of background info on the anterior vs posterior neuro-muscular systems-

      https://in-thinair.com/2016/08/30/biomechanical-reviews-preseason-2016/

    • The Color Orange

      Mars, have you done any work on the big four QBs in the upcoming draft?

      • MarsLineman

        I have- that’ll definitely be part of the article I’ll be writing about the upcoming draft. I’ve looked at Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Darnold, and Allen. Also Barkley and Nelson, for non-QBs. I’ll try to find time look at Chubb as well

        • cjfarls

          You’re awesome Mars – looking forward to it.

          • MarsLineman

            Thanks!

    • Yahmule

      I want a longer version explanation of how Wikipedia convinced Phillip Rivers to pose nude for these illustrations.

      • MarsLineman

        Rivers seems to be lacking in the, uh, masculine department

      • PiperAR

        Same comment as last year, I wish the “proximal” box had been shifted slightly down and left.

        As for Rivers, maybe he was broke in college and needed the money (and refused gifts from boosters).

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        I knew there was a reason I called him “Ken doll crotch”

      • QDoc

        I thought the same thing, then I realized that it can’t be Phil. This dude has a sack.

  • bradley

    Three and out: Denver Broncos’ 2018 NFL draft needs, prospect fits
    Lindsay H. Jones, USA TODAY Sports

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/broncos/2018/04/12/denver-broncos-2018-nfl-draft-preview-three-and-out/512475002/

    ” It wouldn’t be the splashiest choice, but if Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson is on the board when the Broncos pick at No. 5, Elway needs to take him. Another option would entail entertaining offers for that No. 5 pick and moving back in the first round, where UTEP’s Will Hernandez could be taken in order to plug the hole.”

  • The Color Orange

    The most accurate mock drafters.

    http://www.thehuddlereport.com/mock.scores.shtml

    • MattR

      Would be interesting to see the numbers if they look at each person’s initial mock draft from Feb or March. See who was ahead of the curve with all the changes to players’ stock during the process.

    • Grover7874

      Mel Kiper isn’t on that list anywhere. I guess his guesser is on the fritz.

  • RSH

    Friday the 13th Two-for-One Mock Drafts

    5: R1P5 RB SAQUON BARKLEY, PENN STATE
    40: R2P8 ILB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH, BOISE STATE
    71: R3P7 DL TIM SETTLE, VIRGINIA TECH
    99: R3P35 TE IAN THOMAS, INDIANA
    106: R4P6 WR DAESEAN HAMILTON, PENN STATE
    113: R4P13 OT JOSEPH NOTEBOOM, TCU
    149: R5P12 CB DJ REED, KANSAS STATE
    160: R5P23 G TONY ADAMS, NC STATE

    5: R1P5 RB SAQUON BARKLEY, PENN STATE
    40: R2P8 ILB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH, BOISE STATE
    71: R3P7 DL TIM SETTLE, VIRGINIA TECH
    99: R3P35 CB M.J. STEWART, NORTH CAROLINA
    106: R4P6 WR DEON CAIN, CLEMSON
    113: R4P13 3-4 OLB/EDGE ARDEN KEY, LSU
    149: R5P12 OT TOBY WEATHERSBY, LSU
    160: R5P23 G COLBY GOSSETT, APPALACHIAN STATE

    • Tim

      I’m sensing a theme with your top three picks

    • royalwithcheese

      I’d be ecstatic with either of these. I’d lean slightly toward the first one, b/c it nets a TE and WR, but getting Key in the fourth could be the steal of the draft.

    • I love these players esp Barkley and LVE but my worry with these mocks is not enough help for primary area of need, the OL, until way late. So I’d be surprised… but I do like many of these players !

      • Carsonic

        Pretty much my same reaction. Though I have to say, “Colby Gossett” is a name that sounds like a perennial Pro Bowler.

      • gnasses

        I am of the personal opinion if we don’t take Nelson at 5 (and maybe if we do) we should probably spend all 4 picks in rounds 3/4 on best linemen available, O or D, at any position. That always seems to be where the best value is found on the line, it often takes a year for them to develop, and we need an infusion of talent overall in the trenches. Take whatever studs in rounds 1/2, beef in 3/4, skill position flyers, high-upside, or project players in round 5.

        • pubkeeper

          I tend toward the build-from-the-inside-out school of thought too.

        • MattR

          At first I thought you were advocating for 4 offensive linemen and I thought that was crazy. Then I re-read what you wrote. And I also reconsidered the proposition. Normally, I would say roster management makes it impossible. 3rd/4th rounders are tough to sneak onto the practice squad so you would be committing 4 roster spots to those rookies. But Denver’s line is so bad that it is not completely unreasonable. They essentially have their starters and Watson with Garcia, Turner and a bunch of crap behind them. So really, only 6 spots taken. Adding in the 4 rookies would make 10, which is probably a little high but also doable if need be. And neither McGovern or Veldheer are world beaters so one or both could lose not just their starting job but also their roster spot (or they could just eat Watson’s guaranteed salary if the rookies are better).

          Semi-related, but do people think it is better to have a solid LG and LT with a weak RG and RT or a strong LT with a weak LG next to him and a strong LG with a weak RT next to him (more or less this year’s Broncos vs last year’s Broncos)? Is it better to have one strong side and hope you can scheme to protect the other side or to have your weakness mixed in so there is not glaring hole?

          • gnasses

            I think we have a lot of “placeholders” on the OL and DL, guys who won’t get many snaps outside of injuries. I would love to see some rookies push those guys to either step up into a solid starting role or push them off the roster (Watson, Garcia, Turner, McGovern, Kerr, K Peko) to form a younger core of line talent. and if they can’t go that then unless they show some serious upside you take a chance on the practice squad or call it a draft miss. If your crap-shoot upside free-agent value guys beat them out, so be it.

            I see us as having aging talent in a lot of our skill positions, but not really any critical holes to my eye. It seems to me like those are also more easily solved with a promising draft pick plugged in right away, or with known-quantity free agents. Quality linemen (O and D) are always in such shortage that there are never enough desirable free agents and always some head-scratching contracts given out.

        • RSH

          We also need offensive playmakers and better inside linebacker play badly now and in the future. This has become particularly critical with both Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders in their thirties now. I would be elated if the Broncos select Quenton Nelson, Will Hernandez, or Isaiah Wynn, but depending on how the board falls, and who is available, that may not happen.

      • RSH

        I understand your point and agree to some extent. It was difficult to pass on Quenton Nelson to select Saquon Barkley. Barkley will immediately and into the future inject some serious life into the Broncos’ offense. Two of my favorite offensive linemen in Will Hernandez and Isaiah Wynn were off the board at 40. With no ability to trade, I could not select either. In subsequent rounds, I felt that the value was not there to select offensive linemen until the rounds in which I chose the linemen that I did. Keep in mind, some are projecting Notebloom as a second or third round selection, so getting him in the fourth round could be good to great value.

        • Sparks

          I see what you are saying and agree that Barkley is a wonderful talent, but if Veldheer and resigning Turner are our only major “gets” on the OL, I don’t know if it’ll matter who is back there, they will struggle more often than not.

          I do like most of your picks though and would like to see some sort of mash-up between the two. I like Settle and in Rd 3 would be a good pick. I do like TE Thomas. Gossett we talked about yesterday as a major sleeper so in Rd 5 could be a major score. Nice drafts.

    • Yahmule

      I like the Ian Thomas one more, but either would be fun.

  • Tim

    My attempt at a mock draft Friday. I used MHH’s board and could not find good value at OL. Instead of reaching, I tried to simply take BPA at a position of need

    5: R1P5

    QB

    JOSH ROSEN

    UCLA

    40: R2P8

    CB

    JOSH JACKSON

    IOWA

    71: R3P7

    EDGE

    DORANCE ARMSTRONG

    KANSAS

    99: R3P35

    WR

    CHRISTIAN KIRK

    TEXAS A&M

    106: R4P6

    LB

    MALIK JEFFERSON

    TEXAS

    113: R4P13

    TE

    MIKE GESICKI

    PENN STATE

    149: R5P12

    OT

    DESMOND HARRISON

    WEST GEORGIA

    160: R5P23

    RB

    JORDAN CHUNN

    TROY

    • Tim

      Sorry for the original formatting disaster

    • Sparks

      This would be a major haul, I think. I don’t know how realistic Kirk lasting to 3 (the end of 3 at that) and Gesicki lasting till 4 is, but if they are available at those slots, I’d pounce on them.

  • gnasses
    • ohiobronco

      If that is bad, I don’t want to be good.

  • ohiobronco
    • RSH

      While there is no perfect or acceptable solution to this matter, I would just have the players and coaches come onto the field once the national anthem has played. NFL players and coaches were not required to be on the sidelines during the playing of the U.S. national anthem for primetime games prior to 2009. I would extend this former primetime game policy to all games for 2018 and subsequent seasons.

  • RSH

    The more I read about DJ Reed, the more I would love for the Broncos to select him in the fifth round. The coaching staff and Chris Harris, Jr. would love working with this kid. Harris will just have to forgive Reed for being a Wildcat. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/984075474946220033

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/d.j.-reed?id=32462018-0002-5601-9588-5a446e500cc4

    Future slot corner who has the athleticism to handle mirror and match coverage and the toughness to step up and take on tackle responsibilities. Reed lacks size, but not heart. He’s passionate and confident and outplays his height on a consistent basis. Reed’s talent as a return specialist could gain him instant opportunities and his work won’t hurt his cause. Reed has the mental and physical makeup to become a solid pro as both a return man and a sub-package cornerback.

    Strengths

    * Has history of high-end ball production at every stop dating back to high school
    * Known as a hard worker on field and off
    * Extremely confident
    * Plays with a chip on his shoulder in coverage
    * Feet to shadow and squeeze underneath routes
    * Fluid hips allow for easy swivels to open or recover
    * Gets to top gear quickly
    * Makeup speed to chase down strays
    * Plays as long as he can
    * Stretches to disrupt the catch point
    * Plus timing and hand-eye coordination
    * Tenacious tackler
    * Solo tackler who can do his own dirty work
    * Gifted return specialist
    * Handles punts and kicks with fearlessness
    * Has foot quickness to elude tacklers and speed race around the corner
    * Open field vision like a running back helps him to weave free of danger

  • BABA BOOEY

    https://youtu.be/_stSvqc4gMk

    Will this kid be available for us at 40? I haven’t seen anyone mocking him in the 1st round. Any thoughts about him from the Colorado natives here?

    • RSH

      One writer at Mile High Huddle loves Oliver. This writer thinks that Oliver will be drafted in the first round. https://scout.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Finding-Denver-Broncos-Scouting-Colorado-CB-Isaiah-Oliver-117213300.

      I think that Oliver would be a good to great pick at 40. He would be a steal if selected later in the second round or early third round. The Broncos met with Oliver at both the Scouting Combine and at CU’s Pro Day. https://predominantlyorange.com/2018/03/07/broncos-held-visit-isaiah-oliver/.

      Oliver would fit in well in the Broncos’ secondary. He would also provide a great fallback in the event that the Broncos are unable to extend Bradley Roby.

    • Russ

      I’ve seen him go in the first in at least half of the mocks I’ve seen, but maybe he’s falling or something? I always thought he was a solid talent at CU, and definitely contributed heavily as both a defender and on special teams. He had decent coverage skills, and had a few nice returns, but nothing flashed about him. He’s not that fast. Honestly, as a die hard Buff fan, I’d love to see him succeed, but I’m not sold on his skills translating to the NFL.

  • Nick
  • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      This is a time in which it sucks for him to be a dishonest, petty, petulant, bridge-burner.

    • Clockwork Orange

      You’ll get Ryan Tannehill and like it.

    • Yahmule

      #13 plus their number one in ’19 and ’20 will suffice.

  • RSH
  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Those look really good.

  • RSH
  • RSH
    • PiperAR

      Based on metrics 2 and 3, if the line is the same as last year, CK will still improve the passing game.

      Metric 1 is concerning, if that means 26 QBs were pressured more. CK may not necessarily do as well if pressure is more frequent. What is the spread between pressure rate of CK and Denver’s QBs?

  • This is just like, my opinion man, but looking at the top of the draft, a few things seem fairly clear.
    1) Cleveland — a QB (name TBD, probably Darnold but who knows with the Browns)
    2) NYG — probably not a QB (this is the one wild card imho of the top 3 drafting teams; could see a trade here)
    3) NYJ — probably a QB

    so obviously that’s where it gets interesting.
    At 4, the Browns will LIKELY take one of Barkley, Chubb or one of the other top ranked defensive players.

    at 5, then, denver would have: remaining QB; *probably* nelson, or many other top flight BPAs.
    This is all assuming no trades of course.

    So a key to what Denver does seems to be what the Giants do.
    Aieeeee it takes way too long to get to the draft and I’ve had way too long to obsess and fret over it.

    • QDoc

      I second your last point. This drags on too long. I can’t wait for two weeks to come, so we can move from this into the “Elway is the biggest genius/idiot” conversation that we’re inevitably going to have.

    • T. Jensen

      I really think the Browns should take a QB at 1 and 4. Similar to Cousins and RGIII.

  • Sparks

    OK, others have put some of their mock drafts out there for discussion so I’m throwing my hat into the ring. The particulars: Going against Mile High Huddle in deference to Bob, using Fanspeak for team needs on difficult setting.

    5: R1P5 G QUINTON NELSON NOTRE DAME
    40: R2P8 EDGE MARCUS DAVENPORT UTSA
    71: R3P7 WR JAMES WASHINGTON OKLAHOMA STATE
    99: R3P35 LB JOSEY JEWELL IOWA
    106: R4P6 CB D.J. REED KANSAS STATE
    113: R4P13 TE MIKE GESICKI PENN STATE
    149: R5P12 OT ORLANDO BROWN OKLAHOMA
    160: R5P23 RB PHILLIP LINDSAY COLORADO

    Below I was surprised to see Gesicki lasting until the 4th round on another mock but here he was again. I must think he’s better than he really is or something.

    • Yahmule

      There is nothing I wouldn’t do to make this happen.

    • RSH

      This would be a great draft, but there is no way that Gesicki and Brown will be available in the fourth and fifth rounds. I also doubt that Davenport will be available in the second round.

      • Sparks

        I have my doubts too but I was just taking what was available. The one I have the hardest time believing is Davenport getting out of the 1st round. If he starts to slide into the late 20’s, I could see a team trading up for him if only to get that 5th year option.

    • Carsonic

      Time to change my shorts.

    • mikewyd

      Love this draft!

  • The Color Orange
    • Tyler

      Looking forward to the draft not only to see who we get but also so folks around here will (hopefully) stop shitting on Allen constantly. You would think the dude hit your mom or something.

      • SteveS

        It’s just the Lynch-scarring

      • The Color Orange

        Providing statistical analysis that raises significant red flags about a prospect is “shitting on” someone? Only because you went to Wyoming. And shouldn’t you be annoyed with Football Perspective and not with me? This thread exists to post information that’s relevant to the Broncos, and this qualifies. Sorry if the truth hurts.

        • Tyler

          Constantly posting every single negative article you can find on Allen counts in my book. If you were doing it for every prospect connected to us, ok, but this seems like some sort of personal vendetta. Where are the positive takes on Allen? Where are the negative takes on other prospects? You’ve definitely singled him out for reasons I don’t understand.

          Wyoming hasn’t had a player drafted in the first round since 76. Barring a highly unexpected fall Allen will be the highest drafted Wyoming player ever. It would be nice to just enjoy this unprecedented moment for my alma mater.

          • T. Jensen

            total troll comment but I have to, so I’m apologizing in advance

            Wouldn’t it be better if Allen had provided a better winning record for the your alma mater?

            I mean Alex Smith went undefeated for utah which is why he was drafted so high…

          • Tyler

            Lol, I’m not that thin-skinned. It’s the constant barrage that bothers me. In response to your question, if it was all about W/L as you suggest then Kellen Moore would have been the #1 overall pick rather than going undrafted.

          • T. Jensen

            I probably misstated my point. Alex Smith going 1 overall was probably not as important to Utah as the team going undefeated.

          • Laces Out

            Whether it’s your alma mater or not it’s only a matter of time before all those fuckers are eating crow mark my words.. if the other three teams ahead of us are dumb enough to pass on him in the Browns twice we will be some very happy Bronco fans

          • Sparks
          • Yahmule

            That really is one of the craziest arms I’ve ever seen. His motion is so easy it doesn’t seem possible for the ball to travel that far downfield.

          • More Cow Bell

            Josh Allen’s arm = excellent. WYO receivers = not so good.

          • Laces Out

            That would be my fault but I agree he keeps bringing those turds like a relentless bird dog…

          • Drewredux

            We do have Conrad Dobler and Jay Novacek, which is two more ‘house-hold’ names than CSU. 😀

            It’s going to be interesting tracking Allen. His skill-set seems to be rapidly ascending, he is competitive, and he flashes moxie here and there. I think has a better chance than the average tools prospect.

            I’m at least as nervous about passing on him as I am about picking him.

            He looks like a longshot. But a good long shot.

          • Yahmule

            A good friend of mine has known Conrad Dobler for years. Just as big a personality off the field as he was on it.

          • DragonPie

            I have a bias in that I only post articles that make sense to me. I believe that he has the arm that his proponents say he has that has made him a well-rated prospect, but I think that otherwise, the evidence that I can understand doesn’t paint him well.

            That’s not a personal failing. It’s just happened to make me not want my favorite team to draft him at our draft position in the first round. If he falls to the second round, and we haven’t selected a QB, I would be fine with drafting him.

            Seeing him as a second rounder isn’t insulting. A lot of players from that round turn out to be great players. It just means that he’s relatively overvalued and I personally consider him undraftable at our slot.

      • PiperAR

        Allen’s data is unflattering. There’s no positive data to counter, only explanations why the bad data isn’t bad. The guy’s got more red flags than a pirate-themed ren faire.

        An example of shitting on a player is more like spreading unfounded and unlikely rumors.

        • Yahmule

          Rosen is the guy getting shit on, IMO. It’s weird that the most refined and game ready quarterback has his love for the game questioned and the physical prodigy never does despite multiple flaws. Who has given more of himself to the game?

          • Tyler

            The hate against Rosen is bizarre. He’s probably the rookie QB I most hope we draft.

          • cjfarls

            I would be similarly excited about Darnold, but I think his floor is lower/bigger chance of totally busting (but he will be awesome if he does succeed).

          • Sparks

            Or LJ. People talk about awesome physical tools freaks like Allen (rightly so, the guy does have a cannon for an arm), yet LJ is largely ignored and he’s probably the most athletically gifted QB in the draft. At 6’5″, 235, a 4.75 40, yet no one is asking Allen if he’d consider a move to TE, even though he has all the measureables of one.

          • Yahmule

            What could the other top quarterbacks play? I think Rosen would be a kicker and Darnold could punt. The Patriots would find some way to make Mayfield into an annoyingly effective slot receiver.

          • Paco Alonzo

            Lol Mayfield does look like a prototype slot guy for the patriots. Maybe a smidge tall tho 😉

          • Yahmule

            The bandana and the cockiness. I can feel myself building genuine hatred for this alternate reality Mayfield already.

          • Sparks

            Anyone else think Mayfield would absolutely love to hear he’s ‘too tall’ just once in a draft prospect write-up?

      • Andrew

        He seems like a nice kid and the hype surrounding him has caused a lot of negativity to be sent his way no doubt. I wish him the best but seriously hope it’s on another team.

  • The Color Orange
    • Yahmule

      Good grief

      April 13, 2018

      • Hank Mardukis

        We live in a post racial America. Right.

  • Yahmule

    This is the most Marcus Mariota thing ever. From all accounts, he’s pretty much the same way with no cameras around.

    April 7, 2018

    • Paco Alonzo

      Is he not wearing socks? Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! Great thing he is doing.

      • Sparks

        You don’t have to wear socks when you’re gifted 10 new pair of shoes weekly.

    • MattR

      And that is a real catch from a real pass, not some weak two footer like you would do if teaching your two year old to catch.

  • The Color Orange
    • Hank Mardukis

      The idiocy of the NFL knows no bounds.

    • PiperAR

      Most likely to slide: Josh Allen. Here’s a possibility, scouts love him, writers love the hype, but coaches and GMs, the ones with actual skin in the game and pay the price for failing to deliver results, want nothing to do with him. Josh Allen talk is a smokescreen for the 3 QBs that are worth drafting.

      I would be equally unsurprised to see JA go #1 vs if he slides past Jackson.

      • Jason

        I don’t see any way Josh Allen makes it out of the top 10, probably top 5.

  • The Color Orange
    • QDoc

      Let’s just hope that John isn’t one of the 2.

      • PiperAR

        Depends on if he talked to John or to Gary.

      • Laces Out

        He wasn’t because he wouldn’t be dumb enough to tell Casserly

  • Tim

    Erick Trickel talked today about Broncos trading down from 5 to 15, with Arizona trading up for Rosen. I would be pretty sad if Broncos passed up Rosen. He also mentioned the Bills are trying to trade up to #2 for Allen

    • Laces Out

      It’s f****** sad that you guys think he’s an actual source give me a break

      • Tim

        Just putting sources out there. What do you got against him?

        • Laces Out

          He’s severely unqualified I would actually think anyone in this room is probably as qualified as him… I mean I’m fine with guesstimating but there’s no way in hell the Denver Broncos front office is seeping information through that dude I just hate to see you guys gets steered down that path I know Bob thinks he has sources or whatever but that’s not happening…

          Let’s get incarcerated Bob’s take while we’re at it

          • Tim

            All fair points. It will be interesting to see how some of his predictions play out. There were a lot of leaks last year in the front office with Bolles, everyone knew we were taking him before the draft

          • Laces Out

            That’s true it just seems though that when all you do is look at the draft all day long and your whole entire mission is to get followers on Twitter you’re going to throw just about everything in the imagination at the wall to see what sticks so I guess it makes for interesting fodder but I don’t think ammunition is available to Arizona to move that far up anyway.

            I agree it will be interesting I actually Wonder in here everybody’s take if you had to pick one guy right now no bullshit who’s going to make you the most happy at selection number 5?

          • Sparks

            To your last question – Nelson. He’s still #1 on my arm-chair GM board.

          • Tim

            Rosen is my #1 which is why I would be upset if we traded back and he was on the board. Let’s pretend this situation plays out and we do trade back to 15 instead of drafting Rosen, Nelson, or Barkley, how would you guys feel?

            To ease the pain a little, he did have Roquan Smith somehow fall to 15 for our selection

          • Laces Out

            Like a kick in the dick… I think most the Blue Chip Talent falls off at about 12 ish if all the quarterbacks don’t go 1 through 4… if we could trade back and get Nelson especially if we only move down to like six or eight… I just think ND didn’t win any national championships with him either and you can find a completely functional super bowl winning guard on just about any team drafted in rounds 3 through 7

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            F No.

          • Laces Out

            You from UCLA or something..why Rosen?

          • Tim

            Haha no I’m not from UCLA. I like his ability to be a pure pocket passer. He’s my #1 QB and believe he would thrive here plus I like his intelligence

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Agreed. And I’m a (former – like in another century) CU guy – Thus the Louis Oliver and Lindsey biais.

          • Tim

            I’m a CSU guy, we can still be friends I hope. But I would be pretty happy if we got both Oliver and Lindsey in this draft, although Oliver did cheat a bit against Gallup during last year’s Rocky Mountain Showdown 😉

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            My wife is a CSU grad, so my in-state animosity towards CSU hasn basically disappeared (except on game-day).

          • Sparks

            If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’……ain’t that right Pats?

          • Tim

            Who’s your top guy this year?

          • Laces Out

            Well Tim, that’s where I usually lose all my friends around here…. you see actually I’d love to see the Broncos win multiple Super Bowls in the next decade so that means they need to do everything possible to obtain the best quarterback in this draft who is absolutely Josh Allen.

            I first listed this a few months ago who my top five were and I happen to put Allen at the top because he is after watching multiple tapes on him and the other four which I include Jackson because I think he’s actually the second best quarterback in this draft. I also think lauletta and white will be good players in this league…

            However I’ve come to terms that he’s going to be a Cleveland Brown and I would like to see somebody with immediate instant defensive playmaking ability….Ala Chubb, T.Ed, Fitzpatrick, Smith, Vander Esch…. though I realize that saftey position is not one of many major need Fitz definitely one of the most smooth players available, and I could absolutely live with the Barkley selection because I think he’ll help right away.

            Keenum is a hold over the perfect hold over to groom somebody like Josh Allen or any quarterback that we draft frankly. I do not want to see Mayfield on our team and I think Rosen is injury-prone…

          • Tim

            I don’t hate Allen nearly as much as everybody else does. From all reports he has all the tools of Lynch but with a much better head on his shoulders. If Kubiak signs off on him, then I have no problem with him at 5. I don’t think he will gets past 3 at the latest but I wouldn’t hate the pick.

          • cjfarls

            You don’t lose your friends because you like Allen –
            You lose your friends because you’re kinda an a-hole about it, and get super defensive when folks make reasonable arguments against him (see comments on the Nelson picture above, etc.).
            Anyway, we’ll keep you… you aren’t always full of it 😉

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            I agree totally with the first paragraph, except that I’m not sold on Allen. But, I’m just a dude that likes football. What do I know? If we get Allen, I’ll absolutely root for him and hope he kicks ass.

          • Laces Out

            Couldnt be more well said brosef

          • gnasses

            Nelson, or Barkley.

          • cjfarls

            I’ll be super happy with any of Rosen/Darnold/Nelson/Chubb/Barkley/Mayfield. Probably in that order, but the bottom 4 there are super fungible… and kinda depends on who we take with subsequent picks. E.g., if we pass on Barkley but get another RB stud later (and there are a number of options), I’m fine with that (same for O-line, QB, etc. – part of the decision has to be what other options the team thinks will be available later).

            Or I’m fine moving back for a different QB (LJ/Allen) or Blue Chip player (Vea, Smith, Edmunds, etc.). With a big enough haul, I could even see moving out of the top 10-12 and missing on a blue-chip, but it would take a bunch of high picks for me to like it.

          • mikewyd

            Mayfield/Neslon/Chubb/Rosen in that order. RB later in draft and would like to see DE Davenport picked up later.

    • RSH

      What would be the compensation? Arizona’s first this year and next, along with the 2018 47th and 79th selections?

      • Tim

        He talked about 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and possibly a 1st and 2nd next year with some fillers. He also said that Arizona would be willing to give up more for Allen but it’s unlikely he falls to 5

        • Yahmule

          The Lawrence Welk (a one and a two and a three) this year and their one and two next year is a pretty solid payout. If we have to trade down, this kind of deal is something I like. 2019 draft is strong and AZ is probably going to get swept twice inside their division next year.

      • Sparks

        I would hope it’d be more than this, but you’re probably on the right track. Maybe 1st and 2nd this year and next? It’s too bad that Honey Badger couldn’t have been part of some deal.

  • The Color Orange
    • Sparks

      You may not realize it, but that’s a 47lb fish he’s holding there. 🙂

      • Yahmule

        That sure is a rock solid looking 330+ right there.

        • Laces Out

          Yeah can’t wait till we go 9 and 7 with no franchise quarterback and we can say look how awesome our guard is though…you should see him with his shirt off.

          Though that looks like it might be a nice catch Vons Hammerhead sure makes it look like a bitch….jusssss….saayyyiinnn

          • Laces Out

            Im ducking and bracing for the tantrum!!!…popcorn readymade

          • Yahmule

            You’re projecting like you usually do.

          • Laces Out

            I know it’s not nearly as difficult as protecting that tiny amount of self-esteem that you have to deal with everyday though… dragging all that worldly negative bullshit in here and splaying your opinions everybody’s f****** face

          • Yahmule

            Back on ignore with you, manchild.

          • Laces Out

            Ah come on….petulant would have been so much more appropriate

          • Clockwork Orange
          • Laces Out

            You guys got that Tebow shirt off pick in your wallet don’t you?

          • Clockwork Orange

            I couldn’t care less about your ham fisted football takes, I was responding to your middle school level attempt at trolling. Keep at it though, buddy. One day you might not be boring.

          • Laces Out

            I know it’s a sad age people thinking trolling is some sort of acquired skill in life

          • Clockwork Orange

            If this is the best you can do, I truly hope it is.

          • Laces Out

            Dude did you see what u posted? Is that elite or what?

            Please. I could use a class on trolling…if you teach classes on where I can find those photos with thumbs up your ass…id be that much better at it

          • pubkeeper

            Not after that tweet

          • Sparks

            I guess if you look at Nelson as ‘only a guard’, I can understand the hesitancy of wanting to select him. IMO, he’s much more than that. He raises the boats for the entire OL. While G is his more natural position and I would advocate playing him there, if McGovern turns out to have some skills, you could slide Nelson to RT as he would beat out Veldheer there by the 2nd OTA practice. The guy can play, and excel, all across the line.

            But it goes beyond that to me. In the recent past, the Broncos have been a team that as soon as the other team gets physical, they wilt. This guy would bring a much-needed nastiness/attitude to the OL room and the entire locker room. Something the OL seems to have been missing since Big O moved on. His intangibles count almost as much as his tangibles to me.

          • Laces Out

            That is an excellent argument for him

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            It is. And I see the point. But I agree with you, if we somehow can grab a guy who turns out to be the next Aaron Rodgers, we have to do it. Nelson may become a HOF guard, but a guard is not going to win games by himself. A QB can.

            Now, the question is are any of these QBs going to turn out like Rogers? Odds are against it. But, it’s our one great chance to try and snare one.

          • Laces Out

            Great take from far away!

          • Sparks

            It is for this reason, I could get behind selecting Rosen or Mayfield at that spot. IMO, those are the two with the greatest chance to become an elite NFL QB.

        • gnasses

          Compare that to Zane Beadles who we took in the 2nd and kept tweeting his laments he had to overeat and get fat because his job requires him to be a shade over 300 lbs.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Oh great. Here comes Peta again.

    • PiperAR

      Too bad Gregor Clegain is done on Game of Thrones.

    • PiperAR

      Bodyfat around 4%…

      • Yahmule

        Comes from all that swimming.

  • The Color Orange
    • Laces Out

      Dont tell Nicki Mike.!.!.!

    • The Color Orange

      At one point he was thought to be Philadelphia’s secret weapon.

      http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/06/14/smith-6/

    • RSH

      The Browns traded Smith to the Seahawks last month, but Smith failed a physical, which nullified the trade.

      https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/976965308576493573

    • RSH

      This narrator of this video is a bit obnoxious (I know, shocking for an Eagles’ fan), but I am intrigued by the move and seeing Smith compete in training camp and this preseason. https://youtu.be/wy_S89e7J2E

    • Alaskan

      We’re taking players from Cleveland now ?????

      • RSH

        Seattle wanted Smith enough to trade a draft choice to Cleveland last month, but Smith failed his physical with the Seahawks. The trade was nullified as a result.

  • Tim

    Complete random thought to try and not get any work done today, would you trade E. Sanders to Dallas for a mid round pick?

    • Sparks

      I wouldn’t. At least not now. Whomever our new QB is going to be, I think we need to give them the weapons to make a successful transition. I shudder to think that a mild ankle sprain to DT would relegate us to Sunshine and Carlos Henderson as our starting WR’s (pre draft of course).

      • Tim

        Would it help if Broncos grabbed an early receiver like Washington or used the extra pick to get Gallup?

        • Sparks

          It would, but there’s no guarantee that either would be there when their picks come up. Plus, I wouldn’t want to go into the draft having to get a WR. If one falls to a spot they like, great, but absolutely having to grab one is different. As long as they have their starters in place, they can afford to be more patient with their board. I don’t know if this is a particularly deep WR class so they couldn’t wait too long if the had to go get one.

          • Tim

            Great points, so use E. Sanders as a possible draft day trade if the board falls the right way?

          • cjfarls

            I’d still be really hesitant. At this point we have absolutely no one I feel comfortable with taking the #2 slot… any draft pick (even someone with huge upside like C.Davis or Ross last year) is going to be iffy in year 1.
            Basically, I wouldn’t give up Sanders for less than a 2nd rounder, and no one is giving that.

    • Yahmule

      3/81 would be very tempting and his concentration was noticeably sporadic last year. I would be inclined, given our lack of playable depth, to give him a Mulligan. I also don’t like taking away one of Keenum’s receivers when he signed with us so quickly. Feels a bit duplicitous.

    • VonSwenson

      No way. He was injured last year but the previous three years he was great. HE-manuel!

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Well, this is as good a time as any to announce I tested positive for weed and some kind of lion tranquilizer. This means I will be taking roughly as many snaps in the NFL as Mark Sanchez this year. I apologize to my fan, but at the same time, don’t judge me.

    • Rob Rooney

      If the Sanchize has been on PED’s, I hate to see how bad he is without them!

    • DragonPie

      I always think that just based off of probability, a certain percentage of those testing positive have to be false-positives. Even if you repeat the test a couple of times, some tests have a low enough specificity that it’s only a matter of time until somebody clean tests positive, falsely a couple of times.

      I suppose this can be mitigated by increasing the number of tests run, so it’d be interesting to know the details of the NFL’s PED procedure.

    • PiperAR

      Why the hell do they test former players? Once you’re done with football, the NFL has no authority over you.

      • MattR

        Sanchez is not a former player. He was with the Bears last year and is a free agent this offseason. It may have been super unlikely that a team would sign him, but the NFL shouldn’t be making that decision when determining who gets tested. As long as he hasn’t submitted retirement papers, they should treat him the same as any other free agent looking for a job.

        • PiperAR

          Oh, my bad. I wasn’t aware Sanchez was still around.

    • ohiobronco

      First the humilation of admitting to the world that he doesn’t have a girlfriend and now this.

  • Yahmule

    Jano to the Seahawks.

    • Nick

      You scared me at first, I first read this as Janovich getting traded to the Seahawks.

      • Yahmule

        Sorry. That was dumb.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      He is still destined to end up with the Jets at some point.

  • Drewredux

    I just ran a Fanspeak mock for the Bills first three picks, and my take was Vita Vea, Calvin Ridley, and W. Hernandez.

    In another, I got Vea and Josh Jackson before it crashed…

    I’m starting to warm up to the idea of selling 5 to the highest bidder, if bidders exist at that point….and Mayfield/Rosen are gone.

    • DragonPie

      Especially because, as I’ve stated, the marginal value for an elite level guard or running back on a rookie contract is so slight. Really, they have to be top level players immediately to even break even with the contract.

      That’s still a real consideration to me.

      To me, that makes me reluctant to select those players at the top of the draft. I’d rather trade back and let others take that risk on those players. Even if they’re great from the get-go, you only break even, contract-wise.

      So, if Mayfield is gone (And based off of analytics that really like him like QBASE), I’d be down for trading back and maximizing value in what is supposed to be a deep draft.

  • The Color Orange
    • royalwithcheese

      But did you see the “talent” he had to work with?

    • Tyler

      That his completion percentage improved after going to a higher level of competition is encouraging.

  • The Color Orange

    Fair point by Allbright, but the other side of the coin is that franchise QB is the hardest position to fill, and it’s even harder if you don’t take the opportunity when you’re drafting in the top 5.
    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/984939106865156096

    • DragonPie

      But for a salary similar to a top free agent. He has to be that level just to break even with the rookie contract.

      But, I have the same worries about the notion of taking a top RB there.

    • RyanHennigan

      We also took Miller at No. 2 and look how that turned out. I get tge counter arguments but I stand with Allbright on this.

      • Jeremy

        If peyton manning doesn’t fall into our lap I’m wondering how we’d feel about the von miller pick.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Miller was a great pick. But yeah, we don’t win a Superbowl, or even get to 48 without Manning (even in his diminished state at the end there). I am so glad we have Von, an almost certain HOFer, but it is a QB driven league. We need to find one, now.

          • Jeremy

            To add on, JJ WATT was obviously a great pick but it for the most part hasn’t translated to on field success without a quality qb to go with it

    • Yahmule

      If the best player in the draft falls to us @ 5, we should be grateful and run that card to the podium.

      • G Mik

        When you write stuff like this I think… would you say that if the best player in the draft was a punter? And then I answer my own question with a “yes.” Heck if a Punter could actually be the best player in the draft than you should sure as hell take him high.

        • MattR

          So, what would it take for a punter to be considered the best player in the draft? I can’t really think of a scenario. If he could guarantee the other team started inside the 5 after every punt and inside the 10 after every kickoff, would that be enough to make him the best player or just the best kicker? I am pretty sure I would still rather have the franchise QB (though I am getting less confident in that the more I think about how much a kicker like that would affect a game)

          • G Mik

            It would be tough or damn near impossible, but… It would have to be a guy with pinpoint accuracy. So good that not only he can boot it 50+ regularly but would also be able to pin teams inside their own 10 near automatically. Someone who could flip field position like that and pin teams inside their own 10 might actually be worth a very early pick in the draft – whether a team would pull the trigger or not.

        • cjfarls

          All hail Robo-punter! (google FootballOutsiders Robo-punter)….

  • Emmett Smith

    My only comment on Allbright’s take is that it assumes something not in evidence. Few like an OL player more than I, but we have a good line now. McGovern will have a learning curve, as is natural. Bolles will have one as well. If Nelson could nail down RT at need, I’d be more inclined to be excited – Veldheer is a temporary fix, but McG has had flashes of real talent. Few OLs are 100% great – but to me, the players we have are a match to 90% of the lines out there.

    • Drewredux

      Good to see you around. Been awhile between sightings. 😀

      I hope all is well.