• Kush-Lash

    So I got a few hours to sleep on it and I can honestly say, I’m ok with this. Case Kenum excites me for the 2018 season. I think if we are all honest with ourselves, the guy that had the second highest QBR last year is a major upgrade for us.
    Having said that, I think it proves a few things:
    1. Bree’s/Cousins were never interested in Denver.
    2. Early free agent signing at the position will hopefully attract other free agents.
    3. This was a perfect leak to cover the very troubling PR nightmare that is Adam Gotsis.
    4. Probably the most important long term point, the Broncos are not done QB shopping. My money is on a day two QB in the draft… Mason Roudolph?
    I’m excited Broncos Country and I look forward to wasting countless hours of work today in these threads! Lol

    • John

      I still want Rosen in Round 1. I wouldn’t have signed Keenum. You are better off keeping Osweiler, drafting Rosen (maybe trading up to get him), and giving Josh the ball day 1.

      • Paco Alonzo

        I thought we have to keep Lynch or take a significant cap hit.

        • PiperAR

          Depends on how large it needs to be to qualify as significant, but yes. Non-trivial at least.

    • ohiobronco

      Any day is a good day to waste work time talking Broncos.

    • The Color Orange
      • Yahmule

        So, we’re going to reach two rounds for another mediocre quarterback. We’ll smother teams with our near adequacy.

    • T. Jensen

      I like the idea of a day two QB but Mason does not excite me at all.

      • Kush-Lash

        I like LJ, just not sure Kubes does

        • T. Jensen

          LJ has some accuracy issues but he is an exciting prospect. I like him as a late first or early second, I really don’t like him at 5 though. I could imagine how dangerous he would be on the Jake Plummer bootleg plays…

  • Carsonic

    So I found a couple cents on my desk this morning and thought I’d drop them here.

    People are saying ‘Keenum is basically Trevor Siemian.’ But the thing is, when Trevor was good, he was pretty darn good. Remember Cincy? Dallas? But then he developed a problem of throwing to the wrong team. One very marked difference between these two QBs is TDs to INTs.
    Keenum: 22-7
    Siemian: 12-14
    I know it’s just one year, but I really feel like Keenum’s experience and maturity (and VR training!) will allow him to be the smart, accurate version of TS that some of us here were kinda psyched about for a while.

    • The Color Orange
      • PiperAR

        If Brandon Spano can’t figure it out on his own:
        1. Siemian was ALREADY a Bronco
        2. Before playing time raises, Siemian made less than the punter

        Given a choice between Keenum and Todd Davis for the same money, sure, I’ll take Keenum.

  • The Color Orange
  • The Color Orange
  • Does the Keenum signing preclude drafting a QB in the top 5? I mean, if you think that you have a playoff ready team (which Elway thinks he has with good QB play), you can’t afford to trot out a rookie day one. You HAVE to have a vet take the reigns for 2018. We know the vet to do that isn’t on the roster from 2017, so getting a startable QB had to happen this FA period.

    That being said, does anyone really think Keenum is the QBotF? I mean, he had a really good year last year and showed he can play, but he wasn’t really asked to do much. I hate the term, but he is more of a “game manager” type that can win with a strong running game and a stout defense than a guy who could take over a game (2017 Vikings were 3rd in the league in rush attempts and 21st in passing attempts, coupled with the leagues #1 defense).

    If, as Lammey says below, Keenum is on a team friendly contract, I think he is s bridge QB keeping the seat warm for Baker Mayfield.

    • T. Jensen

      I hope you’re right, though I wouldn’t be upset with drafting Nelson and grabbing a QB in the late 1st or early 2nd. I think this draft is unusual and has a ton of QB’s that could be quality players. But if we don’t draft a QB 5 and pick something that doesn’t help the QB I’m going to be upset.

      • Carsonic

        Yeah, That’s where I am. Grab a project Q in a later round, but first priority is the rest of the O. Although if Gotsis is gone, we’ll need a DL too.

      • as long as we don’t trade down, I think I’ll be happy. I want the Broncos to draft a blue-chipper – IMO there will be a blue-chipper at 5, maybe 6, but that’s about it. I’m not a draftnik, but I’m seeing Nelson and Barkley as the only non-QB blue-chippers in the draft. I want of those guys or a top QB. Keenum puts in a place where we aren’t locked into either.

  • last year Keenum had just one game with more ints than TD’s and just 2 games with multiple ints.

    Siemian, on the other hand, had six and four, respectively.

  • Not the news I was hoping to wake up to. Keeenum was clearly the Broncos plan B (and plan C for a lot of folks around here). The team that he had his one solid year for (benefiting greatly from a top rushing attack and No. 1 defense) made no real effort to re-sign him, that says quite a bit. Good news is that Elway no longer cares about QB height and hand size (Keenum is 6’1″ with 9 1/8″ hands) so next time around he may not pass on Wilson for Osweiler.

  • Per PFT:

    A source with knowledge of the dynamics of the process guesses that Keenum’s deal will land in the range of $18 million to $20 million per year. Mike Klis of 9News.com says it’s expected to be a short-term deal.

    The dollars may seem steep on the surface, but consider three points. First, Keenum played great last year, with a couple of isolated exceptions (including, you know, the NFC Championship game). Second, Blake Bortles sort of set the bar with his $18 million per year deal. Third, most above-average quarterbacks are getting more than $20 million per year.

    Of course, the guess could end up being high, based on two other points. First, the numbers weren’t leaked with the report of the deal, which implies that the numbers may not be worth bragging about. Second, Broncos G.M. John Elway, who feels helpless during the season because he can’t get on the field, thrives for the competition at the negotiating table.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/13/so-what-is-case-keenum-getting-in-denver/

  • The Color Orange
    • PFT pegs the deal at 3 yrs., $16M per. I am happy to see KC waste their cap space on Watkins.

      KC also signing LB Anthony Hitchens at $9M per.

      • T. Jensen

        He’s a good player but I think its pretty telling the Rams didn’t sign him back. They traded a lot for him yesterday and still have a young QB that could really use a reliable WR…

  • From Nicki Jhabvala’s story in the DP (a line I would expect from Mike Klis). Are we to really believe this, or does she mean for more comfortable with the money?

    “Although Kirk Cousins has been touted as the top quarterback to hit free agency this year, the Broncos, after extensive evaluation of all their options, felt more comfortable with Keenum.”

    • The Color Orange

      I think you just need to add ” ‘s price tag” to the end of that sentence.

      • Later in the article she touched on the dollars, but that sentence is misleading. Reading the comments to that article and around the web, many unhappy Broncos fans. To those saying he’s not better than Siemian, that’s silly talk. To those that are saying he’s not all that proven and likely not the difference maker the Broncos need at QB, that’s a legitimate concern. Kubiak had to have had a heavy influence on this decision.

  • The Color Orange

    Keenum’s top 10 throws in 2017.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvTUUBHt4GI

    • Carsonic

      He definitely has a more accurate deep ball than Siemian.

    • Paco Alonzo

      I’m glad he is accustom to getting hit and still throwing it.

  • Nick

    I wake up to see that it’s Case Keenum.

    I’ll wait to see the full details but right now I’m feeling thoroughly meh about this.

    • Tim

      That’s how I’m feeling. Also hoping this doesn’t preclude them from taking a QB in round 1

      • Jeremy

        It does put them in a position where they don’t HAVE to take a qb round one, or worse where they are so desperate, that they have to trade up to to take a qb because they don’t like anyone on the roster

      • RSH

        I need to see the numbers and guaranteed money, but more than likely my opinion prior to signing Keenum remains unswayed; the Broncos have to go all-in on him now. We need to hit a home run early in the draft by selecting Quenton Nelson, Saquon Barkley, and/or Will Hernandez to give Keenum the tools that he needs to be successful.

  • Jeremy

    Part of me likes this move. Part of me hates spending 18 million on a QB.

    • ohiobronco

      The Eagles and Texans spent 18M on a QB in 2016 with a 155M cap.

      • Jeremy

        Last year the Vikings paid Bradford about 18 million as well

    • The Color Orange

      Then you’re not interested in being competitive in the NFL.

      • Jeremy

        He was pretty fucking competitive this year.

        • The Color Orange

          Right, and that’s why he’s going to get paid. If you think you can have long term success in the NFL without paying a QB, I don’t know what to tell you.

          • Jeremy

            Can you tell me the reasons why you don’t think he’ll have long term success?

    • Yahmule

      So, you’ve heard the terms already?

      • Jeremy

        I heard rumors. I am surprised more hasn’t come out yet

    • RSH

      Welcome to the new NFL. Sometimes, I feel like the NFL Quarterback Market is akin to the Denver and entire Front Range housing market.

      • PiperAR

        The thing is, QB market is just keeping pace with salary cap inflation. The Front Range housing market just keeping pace with local wage increases, not so much. $20 million is 11.3% of the cap.

        • RSH

          I guess so. It is just interesting to me that guys much worse than Peyton Manning are getting paid a whole lot more, and Manning has only been retired now for two years.

          • PiperAR

            The only contact to break 17% of the cap was Matt Ryan in 2013. Aaron Rodgers the same year came in at 16.9%. Everything since then is cap inflation.

  • ohiobronco

    Given the rumors of Cousins driving for a 3 year deal and wanting to take a tour, it doesn’t surprise me that Elway chose to strike quickly on another option. Especially after he looked into doing the same with Taylor. The three year deal would have made it impossible to make 2018 cap friendly without creating a bind later on. It also sets the team up to be forced into Flacco style extensions later on. The early tea leaves indicates this deal will be about 10M less than Cousins in both APY and 2018 cap plus be closer to one year and we’ll see than a three year marriage. This puts the team in a strong position going into the draft. One doomsday scenario Nick brought up was if there is a run on non QBs early and we get to 5 and QB is the genuine BPA but the Broncos are married to Cousins. Now if this happens (Say the Broncos two favorite non QBs are gone and one of their favorite QBs is there. Barkley, Fitzpatrick, Nelson, Darnold for example), they can take the QB and be setup nicely to be able to put him in when he’s ready but not before. If the reverse happens and there is a run on QBs (Darold, Rosen, Mayfield, non-QB for example) you are set up to get the first or second best player in the draft.

    This also fits into the philosophy of filling needs in FA but avoiding the top of the market except for special talents. Cousins is not a special talent. There was always something uncomfortable about paying a slightly above average starter more than QBs who had already established themselves as HOFers. The team that gets him is just as likely to be the post 2012 Ravens as to be the 2016 Falcons.

  • Jeremy

    A lot of people hate the paying for potential over results, ie paying a shit ton for Brock or AJ McCarron or Mike Glennon. That’s not what the Broncos did.

    Of all the potential options, including Cousins, Keenum has put up the best statical year most recently (I think, I should probably fact check but I’m still in bed) . A piece of me really likes that.

    • T. Jensen

      Plus they got it done before Cousins could set the new bar and increase the price for Keenum.

    • Nick

      Yeah, I can see that, especially compared to McCarron or Glennon who had very little tape to work with.

      • Glennon would’ve pissed me off no end.

        • Nick

          I recently had an argument with someone who said the Broncos were idiots for not signing a veteran QB last year. He strongly believed they should have signed Kaepernick and blamed Elway’s politics (mainly the Gorsuch letter) for not doing so. I noted that it wasn’t just Elway who passed on him and this story goes way beyond Denver.

          Once we put that aside, I noted that the “best” veteran QB on the market then was Glennon. That ended the conversation pretty quickly.

        • RSH

          Yeah. That guy looks like a goofy dentist or insurance adjuster. 🙂

    • ohiobronco

      Keenum 7th in ANY/A, Cousins 13th in 2017. Obviously the supporting cast argument is there though.

      • Jeremy

        Listening to arguments on here, it seems would rather take a qb with a bad record track record with a lot of excuses (Ie tyrod Taylor than a qb with a good track record who had some things working in their favor.

        That’s overcompensating in my opinion

  • Nick

    Wow, if this is true, a lot of rumors were dead wrong.

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/973439159875485696

    • Jeremy

      What were people saying about our front office having loose lips?

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        This would definitely prove me wrong.

        Also would suggest why the Cousins didnt @ the Broncos…. if he never had an offer.

    • Come on, that’s the team message/spin. At least add, at the $ Cousins was looking for or whatever.

    • ohiobronco

      According to Klis they talked to the Cousins camp but where uncomfortable with the terms.

      • That’s more likely than flat out Keenum was the guy. Nicki presented it in a very Mike Klis way.

    • Yahmule

      Now let’s insult everyone’s intelligence.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

    It’s a Case Keenum world, and we are just living in it.

  • Gotta rehash my late night comments, sorry. 😉

    (•_•) / Hopefully Broncos fans won’t also approach this as…
    ( •_•)>⌐■-■ /
    (⌐■_■) …“Case, dismissed.”
    “Yeahhhhhhhhh!”🎵

  • Gotta rehash my late night comments, sorry 😉

    (•_•) / Hopefully Broncos fans won’t also approach this as…
    ( •_•)>⌐■-■ /
    (⌐■_■) …“Case, dismissed.”
    “Yeahhhhhhhhh!”🎵

    • Obviously he’s a guy Kubiak really likes, and knows. And passed that on to Elway. Was last year fluky or a sign of a guy on the rise to at least be solid? We’ll find out. It’s not super exciting, but I do think he’s solid enough, less of a crazy commitment that Cousins would be, better than in house guys (purely imho), and maybe, hopefully, frees them up enough to draft someone like Nelson, or at least BPA. As Yahmule says if they use first pick on a QB too makes you wonder why they’d bother giving money to Keenum. Could take a QB a little later now and focus on other crucial needs.
      🤷🏻‍♂️ shrug, we shall see…

      • Tim

        This does show that Elway is willing to defer quite a bit to Kubiak

      • Steven Searls

        Anyone is better than our in house options.

        • Alaskan

          Hey, your forgetting swag.

          • Steven Searls

            My bad. Swag to the rescue!

    • PiperAR
  • RSH

    ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Nick

    Wait, what? I’m laughing at the Chiefs for this one.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973532683094646784

    • Tim

      How do you feel about them also signing Watkins to a 3 year deal?

      • Nick

        I don’t feel as skeptical of that as Jason seems to:

        https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/973524120360153088

        • Trying to decipher that first sentence. I’ll get there eventually. 😉

          • MattR

            I think you need to put “I’m” between guy and definitely.

          • Ahhh, he was most off in his prediction. Got it… 🤔🧐

        • Dwayne Bowe pt 2, IMO.

      • royalwithcheese

        No need to worry. Talib will shut him down. Oh, wait.

  • Jeremy

    FWIW case Keenum had a 85.3 score on pff last year, good for ninth best

    Kirk Cousins had a 78.8 score of pff last year 19th best.

    Always take pff scores with a grain of salt, but it’s a rebuttal to people who think keenum was a product of the system and Cousins balled out with nothing but shit around him.

  • Jeremy

    https://in-thinair.com/2017/01/04/cheers-to-the-greatest-qb-coach-of-a-generation/

    I wore this piece last year about how among other things almost all QBs who played under Kubiak had their career year under him. Osweiler and Siemian did their part to help that stat, but Keenum definitely did not. Now that Keenum is here and Kubiak is in the scouting department, if Keenum surpasses his play last year he can say his best year was under Kubiak in a weird technicality kind of way

    • Keenum also had a decent year as a Texan too no? (Not his career year no, but he showed promise then too.)

      • Jeremy

        He went 0-8 in 2013 but put up a halfway decent stat line. He went 2-0 on 2014 with slightly better numbers but Kubiak was gone.

        If Keenum doesn’t go 0-8 Kubiak probably isn’t available and we probably don’t win the super bowl so it was all part of the master plan

        • Brilliant! 😉
          Was just looking at his numbers, not record (on a bad team). Really came of age last year tho obviously. His rating under pressure especially, which had to appeal to Elway after what we watched last year.

  • Meanwhile missed that the Chiefs are signing Sammy Watkins. Could be a good move to make their offense more dangerous. Or not. Their defense is a dumpster fire so the offense will need to be.

    • ohiobronco

      Hopefully they don’t end up with more weapons than the Broncos have corners.

    • Steven Searls

      Watkins is good at two things: Deep routes and jump balls in Goal to go situations.

      • Yahmule

        And pulling hammies.

      • cjfarls

        Watkins is really quick in and out of his breaks – when he’s healthy. I forget who they were playing but I watched one game 2-3 years ago while he was with the Bills…. he was against a pro-bowl CB, and just juking him out of his shorts. Taylor had huge windows to throw into.

        Calling him a 9-route and jump-ball specialist is just in no way true.

        Of course, he can’t stay healthy so its all moot.

        • Steven Searls

          I live in western NY. Watched a lot of Bills games. When Watkins was healthy he made the most impact on deep ball throws from Taylor. In LA he didn’t show much considering what the Rams gave up to get him. He’s had foot injuries most of his NFL career. Two to three years ago maybe he could cut well, but with that history of injury I haven’t seen it.The Chiefs paid way too much for this guy.

  • Nick

    Chiefs fans are hammering me on Twitter right now when I told them they now have no hope at high 2019 comp picks. Early results seem to have them favoring the Watkins and Hitchens megadeals, added with sourness on their own UFAs that could leave.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      That’s WAY over a Chiefs fan’s head, Bro.

  • Nick
    • Steven Searls

      Tells me Bills are moving up to jump everyone for the QB they want. I’m guessing they are on phone right now with Indy and NY Giants to see what it will cost them.

      • Yahmule

        Good. Now I’m all about quarterbacks going in the top four.

        • Steven Searls

          Bills have no one but Nathan Peterman on roster. I’m guessing the Giants will be the team to swing a deal with them.

  • Nick
    • Good glad he’s staying. Especially after clear he wasn’t coming to Denver 😉 Figured he wouldn’t ultimately want to leave

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      That’s it? That’s fucking it for guaranteed money? Jesus. That’s a 1 year guarantee. I’m sure we could have bested that.. Guess he really wanted to stay.

      • Jeremy

        Dude wanted to play in New Orleans. I’m sure teams offered him way more

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          Yeah for sure, no other explanation.

          • RSH

            And some under the table shenanigans.

          • PiperAR

            Investing heavily in property in the Atchafalaya Basin, no doubt, getting ready for the Mississippi River to change course and strand Baton Rouge and New Orleans. The Army Corps of Engineers can delay it but you can’t stop time and gravity.

          • Alaskan

            God, “The Control of Nature” was a good book.
            It really was McPhee’s best work (except maybe for “Assembling California”).

          • ohiobronco

            I don’t recall Peyton apologizing to Condon for leaving money on the table.

          • Steven Searls

            His wife didn’t want him to leave. And the NO team around him is pretty damn good. Should have beaten Vikings.

  • Nick

    Something I will give the Broncos credit for on signing Keenum is that they didn’t fuck around and dilly dally. If they figured out that Cousins wasn’t very interested in them, at least they didn’t put themselves at risk of having their seat pulled up on them when this QB musical chairs game ends. That fate now may lie with the Cardinals or Jets.

    • Tim

      I have a hard time seeing the Jets not trading up into the top 4. Broncos could be picking at #5 with 4 QBs off the board, crazy times.

      • RSH

        Now, that we have our quarterback for better or worse, I like this scenario, to get Case Keenum the weapon or protection that he will need.

      • QDoc

        If that were to happen, we have our choice of Barkley or Nelson. That’s a pretty sweet problem to have. Personally I would go Barkley, and then try to trade back up into later round 1 for Hernandez.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Wait… do you mean dilly dilly?

    • ohiobronco

      I think both sides may have been interested in each other but only on their own terms.

  • Nick
    • InSiemianWeTrust

      1st step in the Sanchize.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Good luck extending all of those core players, Vikings!

  • Nick

    Be thankful that the Broncos kept DT and Sanders, folks.

    https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/973556046169100289

    • Jeremy

      And going for almost triple what we would have saved by cutting Sanders

    • Tim

      Curious how this plays into the WR3 market for the Broncos

    • For *Albert* Wilson?! What am I missing, Dolphins?

      • Tim

        I thought they were in cap hell? How does this help them?

        • Nick

          Trading away Smith, voiding Johnson, and cutting Hali got them a lot of space.

          • T. Jensen

            I think he’s referring to the Dolphins.

          • Nick

            Ugh, still need my morning tea.

            Either way, trading Landry and cutting JT and Timmons gave them a ton of space. James may also be out the door, too.

          • Tim

            They freed up a lot of room to sign Wilson? It just seems like such a strange move

          • Yahmule

            But he’s Gase’s kind of guy! Until he isn’t.

  • Hank Mardukis

    For me personally, this is shaping up to be the worst Broncos offseason under Elway.

    • Even before any of it has officially started? 😉
      For me personally I’m gonna wait til the draft shakes out (and this free agency period gets rolling of course.)

    • RSH

      It could turn out that way, but I echo the sentiments of underdog, let’s wait and see.

      • Alaskan

        It seems to be going OK so far.
        We could have done a whole lot worse.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Gotta file a missing person report for Yahmule.

    At least it’s not Bradford.

    • Nick

      It’s still only 8 AM MT, give him time.

      • I’m up way too early PT, I’ll say that. And no, not because I was tossing and turning over nfl free agency.

  • Nick
  • Nick
    • Yahmule
      • Nick

        Exactly.

      • Tim

        Broncos should use this logic when trying to trade Lynch!

        • PiperAR

          I still think Lynch and our sixth for somebody’s 7th is the best deal we’re going to get.

        • “He’s a former first rounder! Barely used! Like new! Shiny arm!”

          • Yahmule

            But this is why Paxton is still on a roster and one reason why first and second round quarterbacks tend to have much higher success rates. If you’re Terry Bradshaw, you can make it to your sixth NFL season without ever throwing more touchdowns than interceptions.

          • PiperAR

            I think that having to take the cap hit for the rest of Lynch’s signing bonus, 2018 guaranteed salary, and 2019 guarantees are the reason he’s on the roster. Not first round draft status. If we can find a trade partner, we still eat the signing bonus but get out of the guaranteed salary. So…
            Our Lynch and our sixth for a seventh? Anybody?

          • Yahmule

            Whether it be financial concerns, or simply front office ego, quarterbacks drafted in round one get way more chances to fail than their less pedigreed brethren.

          • PiperAR

            Yes.

  • Nick
    • Nick
      • Don’t know much about him —would he fit as a number 3 corner in Denver at the right price?

        • Nick

          I don’t know much about him either–I’m just trying to expand our knowledge of who could be available for Denver at that position.

      • royalwithcheese

        Graded out as the no. 31 overall corner, per PFF. Just two spots below CHJ.

    • Yahmule

      12 months ago, I would have been really interested. It’s hard to overstate how terrible he was last season or how disgusted the Saints eventually became with him.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Does Case make a QB more or less likely at 5? Or no change?

    • Nick

      In my book, no change. We still have free agency to sort out but no draft pick should be taken off the table for a rookie QB.

    • T. Jensen

      IMO it makes the likelihood of trading up less and gives us the option to draft a QB if the one we really want drops to 5 or to draft Nelson if the QB isn’t there.

      It also gives us the option to trade down a bit.

      • Tim

        It does add a lot of draft flexibility. If they can also get a 2nd round pick for Barrett or Paradis, it’s going to be a very interesting draft weekend!

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        This is my thought process as well.

    • ohiobronco

      Depends on your baseline. Versus Cousins, more likely. Versus Taylor, about the same. Versus everyone below that, less likely.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      The fact that the contract is for two years tells me it’s a QB at 5.

      • PiperAR

        Well I do need reasons to retire from Bronco fandom and do other things with my time and energy.

  • Nick
  • Nick
  • Nick

    He’s been good when healthy–the problem is that health on the field has been rare.

    https://twitter.com/jkatzenstein/status/973564305961553921

  • Nick
  • Jeremy

    Has anyone heard terms of the Keenum deal? Talk radio seemed to think two years 36 million?

    • Nick

      That’s the best I know right now.

    • RSH

      In this market and for the season Keenum had, that is fair market value. Based on Keenum’s seasons prior to 2017, he may now be overpaid. We’ll see how this all shakes out. To paraphrase Rhett Rothberg, one way or the other, we will be entertained.

      • Alaskan

        I don’t tweet. But can’t you beg Rhett to come back?

  • Yahmule

    So, the Broncos thought Keenum was better than Cousins, but he’s playing on a cheap contract and they’re still looking quarterback. That about the size of it? Why would this guy take a lowball offer four seconds into free agency anyway? Does that sense to anybody? Would you do that?

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Elway wants “winners who want to be here.” Cousins was neither of those.

      I guess at the end of the day, the money to skill ratio for Cousins didn’t add up to the Broncos FO.

    • PiperAR

      Lowball offer, four seconds into free agency. That’s the question, isn’t it. While legal tampering just started, I’d guess that illegal tampering indicated there wouldn’t be a market for him. Or he really really really wants to play in Denver.

      • Yahmule

        I’ll bet the APY is 20.

        • Nick

          The APY could be misleading, what we want to see are the full guarantees and Year 1 cash flow.

    • The Color Orange
      • Yahmule

        Which kind of contradicts Nikki’s tweet that “Case Keenum was the Broncos’ guy. Not Kirk Cousins. Broncos felt Keenum was a better fit in many areas. Was told they did not offer Cousins.”

        What are these areas? Having a 22 TD career year with most of your stats compiled against weak secondaries? Being nearly 30 before you have a good season? Maybe he’s a baritone and that’s just the spot the Broncos needed to fill in the team’s barbershop quartet?

    • Russ

      Add in the possibility that the Broncos take a first-round QB. Which is why I would guess there were assurances by the FO that they wouldn’t turn around and (at least) draft a QB at 5. (Who knows about trading back into the first for a Lamar Jackson). So, that, coupled with a familiar face in Kubes, add to the mix a historic and popular franchise in one of the best cities in America. It makes sense to me.

      • Yahmule

        If the guy wasted his chance at his one and only big payday without hearing from any other teams, I would have to question his judgement.

    • Sparks

      It makes sense if they plan on drafting another QB that will take at least 2 years to get up and running. I guess we should get used to the idea of Allen being the target. God willing, someone will move up to take him first and save us from ourselves. So, yeah, I guess it doesn’t make sense after all.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    We have CK, Lynch and C Kelly. One of the latter two gets cut if we draft a QB high.

    • RSH

      I really do not think that we are going to draft a quarterback early—and possibly not at all—in 2018.

      • Tim

        I’d be shocked if we didn’t take at least one in the first three rounds. Unless Chad Kelly somehow became a relevant future starter

        • RSH

          And there have been rumblings of such.

          • Tim

            I don’t see it happening but how amazing would that be?

          • RSH

            Kelly may have some objectionable personality traits and previous behavior, but he was a very good college quarterback in the SEC. He played lights out against Alabama in both 2015 and 2016, which includes a victory in the 2015 contest. http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400868997
            http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400603850
            I really think that he is a dark horse quarterback candidate to watch on the Broncos’ roster.

          • Sparks

            I like Kelly as well and I will say that since he’s been drafted, there’s been not a peep on that “objectionable personality traits and previous behavior” front. Of course, now I’ve put the jinx in.

          • Tyler

            Dammit Sparks, this is why we can’t have nice things.

          • Jason

            My only concern is his injury history. Aside from that, I’m good with him and Lynch.

          • Jason

            Oh cmon now, the future is written in stone.

          • Yahmule

            Spoken like a man who never saw Terminator II: Judgement Day

          • ohiobronco

            Send John Conn-way back to 2016 to draft Prescott instead of fucking Gotsis.

          • Yahmule

            dada dundundun

            dada dundundun

          • PiperAR

            Use our first on Hunter Henry. Draft Gotsis. Take Prescott with the 3rd that was traded away to move up for Lynch.

          • ohiobronco

            At this point I’m kind of thinking anything not involving fucking Gotsis would be better than anything involving fucking Gotsis.

          • PiperAR

            I’m judging the player not the person. Unfortunately the NFL is full of terrible people.

          • Nick

            As a kid I long wondered whether anything cataclysmic would happen on August 29, 1997.

            The closest thing we got was Princess Di killed in that car accident two days later.

          • PiperAR

            I was a six weeks from my 23rd birthday and still was nervous as Aug 29 1997 approached.

        • ohiobronco

          I don’t see anyone outside of the first being a clear upgrade over Kelly and Lynch.

    • ohiobronco

      Lynch is gone if a QB is drafted high. If not, the door is actually cracked a bit for him.

  • Hank Mardukis

    I still want Mayfield at 5…if he’s there.

    • bradley

      I bet the Broncos gave Keenum some assurances that they wouldn’t do that; that they’d go OL / RB / TE instead.

      • PiperAR

        Yep. While no player is PROMISED anything, it’s still fair for a free agent to ask what the team’s intentions are. That Keenum is a Bronco indicates to me the Broncos said they don’t plan on taking a QB at 5.

        • It allows them to go BPA that’s for sure and not force a QB, which is a good thing. Hopefully it’s Nelson.

          • QDoc

            Nelson or Barkley, if the rumored QB 1-4 run materializes.

            I think CLE will take Barkley #1 though, and then see where the chips fall for their #4 pick. Either they get the QB they want, or they trade back and let someone like the Bills in.

          • cjfarls

            I’d agree with that if they hadn’t already dumped Kizer… having dumped Kizer, it is almost guaranteed IMO that they are taking a QB at #1 or 4…. I’m actually guessing QB at #1, and then they’ll see if Barkley or someone else they really like slips to #4. If not, they trade back.

          • BlackKnigh

            QB with their first pick. They want to get the guy they want this year. Hue Jackson always has had to take the leftovers.

          • royalwithcheese

            Dorsey is a traditional football guy. He won’t take Barkley no. 1. It’ll be Darnold or Allen for them if they stay put.

          • PiperAR

            Piper’s log, March 13th 2018 10:10am central standard time
            I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with Uncle Rico.

          • QDoc

            *central daylight time

            want to make sure the timeline is correct when Muller calls you to testify.

          • PiperAR

            Fixed. My head said “daylight” and my fingers typed “standard”.

      • Hank Mardukis

        Then Denver is fucked at QB for at least another couple of years.

      • Steven Searls

        I doubt they promised him anything but whatever guaranteed money is on the contract.

        • PiperAR

          Promised, no, but highly likely Keenum asked what they intend. Either Denver doesn’t plan to draft a QB at 5, or Case don’t care if they do.

          • ohiobronco

            Or they said it depends on how things fall but you will start out as the starter.

  • The Color Orange
    • Nick
      • Tyler

        Allbright’s tweet looks like an educated guess disguised as a fact. He’s probably right but I doubt he knows it for sure.

        • Nick

          That’s one problem I have with him, he always phrases his tweets as certainties. I hope he’s been struck by @OldTakesExposed multiple times.

          • PiperAR

            Because he’s a #douchebag

          • Yahmule

            Bad week for dart throwers on that account.

      • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      Von Miller looks forward to reminding you why you should have signed with the Broncos when they travel to Minneapolis in 2019. 🙂

  • Sparks

    Well, fuck.

  • Nick
    • Well, good thing Denver didn’t sign the QB that relies on great TEs.

    • Tim

      Damn, I did like him but glad we didn’t spend that money. Bears are giving their young QB some nice weapons this offseason

    • Yahmule

      More than Brate. Another team paying top dollar for potential.

    • royalwithcheese

      This makes me think Eifert on a one-year prove-it deal could be possible.

      • Tim

        That would be awesome

  • royalwithcheese
    • Yahmule
      • Carsonic

        Took me a minute.

        • Nick

          Me too.

          Now I’m reminded of when David Diehl, as a green TV analyst, kept calling Bryan Bulaga “Bryan Beluga”.

      • “There goes a Norwell! Whoop whoo hoo wheee”

        • Carsonic

          HERE COMES A BIKINI WHAAAAAALE!!

          • Nick

            We really needed some replacement jokes from this now that Osweiler is almost certainly gone.

      • pubkeeper

        Bye Buddy, hope you find yer dad.

    • RSH

      Why does it always feel like the Jaguars have unlimited salary cap space?

      • Tim

        Was just thinking the same thing

      • Nick

        They’ve cut multiple FA misses in the past. Zane Beadles is one name off the top of my head.

  • PiperAR

    While my initial take was “no sir, I don’t like it” that actually depends on the money and what they do at #5. Not only can I live with Keenum at $18 or $20 million, I like it. Kind of surprised he took an offer that low at the opening of legal tampering. Maybe illegal tampering indicated that was the best he’s going to get.
    Keenum is the QB of the present with the chance to be QB of the future. QB is off the shopping list at #5. Three reasons why the Broncos won’t Plummer Keenum before he starts a single game. First, Keenum and a QB at #5 are unnecessary. The board could go many different ways but chances are you’ll still get your 3rd QB choice at #5 and first choice if lucky. If the Broncos liked 3 QBs in the draft more than Keenum, they wouldn’t sign Keenum. Second, Keenum might not have agreed to sign with Denver if they still plan to take a QB at 5. Then again, maybe he would. Third, it creates a QB controversy which are generally negative to some degree.
    Hopefully Denver is able to land Nelson. If Barkley makes it to #5, I’ll eat horsemeat. If neither offensive player is there at 5, I think take the ILB, or trade down and take the ILB. ILB gives the potential for greatest upgrade.

    • Yahmule

      Hoping we don’t try to get cute, but bracing myself for a trade down.

      • PiperAR

        Reaching for the ‘best’ RT from #10 is better than reaching from #5, right? Just kidding. You don’t think either or both of the ILB or the Updyke will be there around 10?

        • Yahmule

          Raiders have ten. I would love to trade with them actually. Why not? It would enliven draft day and give us stuff to talk about for years. But, no, keep five and get the bona fide blue chipper. If we have to move, aggressively work the phones and force the Jets to cough up to move up one spot.

          • Nick

            While still very unlikely, it wouldn’t be on the “dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria” level that existed when Shanny and Al Davis were in charge. Elway and McKenzie seem capable of doing a deal if stars really aligned.

    • Tim

      If Nelson and Barkley are both off the board at #5, it means at least one of the top 3 QBs will be there and it might be hard to pass that up, even with Keenum

      • PiperAR

        I think it’s very reasonable to expect Denver’s 3rd choice at QB to be there at #5. If they like QB #3 more than Keenum, there’s no point to sign Keenum. Other than an expensive insurance policy.

        • Tim

          But that expensive insurance policy also allows Elway to have leverage in the draft, which is a big deal. Now he’s not desperate to try and move up to get his QB. I think right now that the Jets and Bills move in front of us and there will be 4 straight QBs taken

          • Well hopefully, Denver doesn’t slide out of Nelson.

          • Yahmule

            IMO, Indy should cling to 3 for dear life and get a real impact player like Chubb or Nelson.

          • pubkeeper

            Hey would Chubb be a fit at Gotsis’ spot?

          • PiperAR

            My uneducated guess is that he’d be more likely to replace Shaq/Ray at OLB or Wolfe at DE. Gotsis is a stone wall defending the run and I don’t think that’s what you want Chubb for.

          • RSH

            No. Chubb needs to play on the edge, whether with his hand in the dirt or standing up.

          • ohiobronco

            Nelson would be ideal for them.

          • PiperAR

            Indy needs to go defense! INDY NEEDS TO GO DEFENSE!

        • Kwash

          Sure there is (a reason to sign Keenum and draft a QB at 5). Elway wants to win “from now on.” (That’s the quote, right?) Keenum gives you a better chance to win now. The rookie is there for the future.

          • PiperAR

            Draft Nelson, win from now on.

          • Kwash

            Maybe. Still gotta find a QB somewhere for that to be true, though.

          • Alaskan

            Keenum just turned 30.
            I know it seems like he has been knocking around the NFL forever.
            30 may be old for an RB, but QB’s sometimes hit their stride late.
            Let us all hope for the best.

        • royalwithcheese

          If they want a QB in this draft, you don’t stay at 5 and get your third choice. You go get the one you want.

          • Kwash

            It wouldn’t necessarily be their third choice

          • royalwithcheese

            But do you risk it?

          • PiperAR

            When the top 3 QBs are so close together you might as well draw a name out of a hat, then yes.

          • Kwash

            Depends on your evaluation of the QBs.

          • PiperAR

            If top choice is Carson Wentz and third choice is Paxton Lynch, then yes. Out of Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield, I’m just not seeing one as clearly better than the rest and certainly not better by enough to justify trading up.

  • royalwithcheese
    • Yahmule

      Yeah, no shit he’s gonna sign it.

    • RSH

      I now fully retract my previous comments about letting Emmanuel Sanders go from earlier this offseason.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      IMHO, Bridgewater is a poor fit to play in the Meadowlands and AFC East.

      • Sparks

        Could’ve been a helluva fit in Denver.

  • royalwithcheese
    • Yahmule

      Key words are “at least.”

      • ohiobronco

        That implies incentives to me.

        • Nick

          Right. Sources close to the team use “at least” as weasel words, while sources close to the player use “up to”.

  • royalwithcheese
    • royalwithcheese

      Where’s @RSHESQ:disqus?

      • RSH

        I’m here. I would like to sign Howard, but he will probably price himself out from what the Broncos can and should pay for his level of talent.

        • royalwithcheese

          Keenum’s deal gives them some flexibility (I hope). Not being able to cut Watson now hurts, but maybe they can restructure someone to give them a little more space, until Watson can be cut this summer.

    • JMac

      Seems better than what we have (PFF #36 T last year), but at 30 what price would command?
      https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/austin-howard/5847

      • royalwithcheese

        He should immediately be their priority, IMO.

    • 16. Case Keenum, QB, Minnesota Vikings

      Keenum was cool under pressure in 2017, especially when blitzed as he fielded a 99.7 passer rating when the opposing defense sent an extra rusher. He threw 12 touchdown passes against his opponent’s blitz in 2017, compared to just three interceptions.

    • royalwithcheese

      If you want player grades on anyone, just give me a holler.

  • Nick

    Traditional linebackers are getting crazy deals.

    https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/973584346316787712

  • royalwithcheese

    So. For weeks we heard the Broncos loved Bolles. They drafted Bolles. For weeks we heard Keenum was more likely than Cousins. They signed Keenum.

    We’ve heard that they love Allen and maybe Baker. It’s going to come down to one of those two. If they love Allen, they’ll be trading up. If they want Baker, they might be able to stay at 5.

    • Russ

      I think the tune from the local media will change to something else (BPA) at 5… or trading back?

      • royalwithcheese

        Yeah, a lot can change in the next 6 weeks, but those have been the rumors so far. Baker seems like a carbon copy of Keenum in a lot of ways…

    • Andrew

      it’s annoying that their intentions are always so out in the open.

      • RSH

        The fallout from Josh McDaniels’s tenure is still felt.

        • Yahmule

          This goes back to Reeves. Ted Gregory was not a surprise pick.

          • Nick

            Too bad Ted Gregory himself was a surprise to Reeves.

          • RSH

            My point about McDaniels’s regime is that the organization and fan base thought that he was too secretive and not candid enough, so when John Elway came in, he promised to be transparent. Such transparency started with the over the top coaching search videos posted on denverbroncos.com in 2011. IMHO, Elway has been too transparent, especially of late.

          • Steven_Searls

            But Tommy Maddox sure was

      • masonjar

        Eh, it has been incredibly obvious that the QB shelf was bare in Dove Valley. A broken 7th rounder, a re-tread, and a pirate. There were 4 tier 2 or above options in FA and we all know that Elway likes to shop to alleviate some pressure to draft for a specific position (when possible). The 4 options were Cousins, Keenum, Taylor, and Bridgewater. Bridgewater may have a high ceiling, and might return fully healthy but that is a lot of risk. Taylor and Cousins were gone or not obtainable. As much as we would like to hold our cards close, it was fairly obvious who the good option with the least risk would be. Much rather have Keenum than Glennon or Brock.

    • A post below said the Kennum signing proves the Broncos FO can keep a secret, but I agree with you… there were many clues dropped to prepare us for Keenum. And add drafting Lynch to the list… that was heavily rumored as well.

    • gobroncos

      Who knows. Half the leaks were speculation. There’s enough reporters/inside men/radio hosts/etc. out there that if every one of them tried a different take, there would be 10 guys saying it’s Keenum, 10 guys saying it’s Cousins, 10 guys saying it’s Tayler, etc.

    • masonjar

      I thought Keenum was horrible with the Rams. Borderline Tebow-like where I had a hard time watching the games. However, watching some of his year with the Vikings, his pocket awareness, mobility, and ability to lead receivers is so far beyond what we saw in TS and Paxton that I’m excited to see what he can do with Thomas and Sanders. Not that I’m expecting miracles, but leading a receiver on a deep slant or out should do wonders for opening up screens and runs while improving the field position game quickly.

  • Yahmule

    29% of Keenum’s passes and a lot of his positive production came off play action passes in 2017. Hopefully we are fully committed to incorporating this to the offense and we acquire a back more threatening to defenses than Booker.

    • RSH

      And we need to commit to a strong screen pass game like never before.

      • royalwithcheese

        Dhenderson, please.

      • PiperAR

        I said that this time last year. More than once. Several times. McCoy? MCCOY!

        • RSH

          I was really disappointed by the lack of the screen game last season, especially based on McCoy’s previous history.

          • PiperAR

            The 2016 long screen pass to Bibbs was beautiful execution.

          • RSH

            As was the one that Bill Musgrave called to De’Angelo Henderson in Week 17 last season.

    • The team and coaching staff especially VJ love Booker so don’t count on it.

  • RSH

    A friend of mine just text messaged me to inform me that the other day, he was at breakfast in a restaurant booth next to John Elway and Mike Shanahan. Unfortunately, he said the restaurant was too loud to pick up on any of the conversation.

    • The Color Orange

      As Chris Rock once said, “don’t take off the clothes and then don’t f*** me.”

      • RSH

        My apologies.

  • Tim

    I wonder if Keenum will be helpful in recruiting other offensive players. He doesn’t have a big name like Manning or Brady but he’s supposed to be well liked and at least better established than Lynch and Siemian

    • Right or wrong, Von and Sanders, etc. weren’t publicly lobbying for Keenum, ha. And they certainly weren’t quiet about the situation.

      • Tim

        No and it was a lot of fun watching Von try to get his guy. I wonder how they feel about Keenum

        • gobroncos

          They’ll all say the usual PR stuff. May not be happy about it right away (compared to the idea of getting Cousins). Keenum will have to win them over. I think no matter what they have to think they’re getting a better QB than they had last year on paper.

          But they (as well as us fans) will all have to see how the coaching staff utilizes him.

  • Nick
    • Jeremy

      Question is for how much

      • Nick
        • ohiobronco

          This would average 15% of the projected cap. A responsible starting QB contract should maybe hit 15% in it’s worst year.

          • PiperAR

            As of August 2017, 7 QBs were on deals with APY greater than 15% of the cap the year the contract was signed. Ten more were more than 10% less than 15%.

      • I saw it was for $84M, lost the tweet now.

    • royalwithcheese

      Oh, you mean exactly what was reported like a week ago?

  • Carsonic
    • Tyler

      Jersey number will have to change. Can’t argue with the rest.

      • Carsonic

        Yeah, that was my first thought as well.

      • Nick

        17 will be available soon if he wants to keep that digit on his jersey!

        • ohiobronco

          Those Osweiler jerseys are back in business!

        • gobroncos

          Maybe he could wear 77 and play right tackle. It wouldn’t be a drop in play at any rate.

      • He wore 17 in LA. Pretty sure that’s available now.

        • RSH

          Well, he does not have big shoes to fit in wearing that number with the likes of Brock Osweiler, Bubba Caldwell, Mitch Berger, Glenn Martinez, Darrius Watts, and Hugh Millen donning it previously. I guess Steve DeBerg would be the best Bronco player ever to wear jersey number 17.

          • PiperAR

            The jersey is cursed. And it contains MSG. Which is also cursed.
            That’s bad, right? Can I go now?

          • Hank Mardukis

            Bubba Caldwell was unfairly maligned.

          • RSH

            Possibly, but he certainly did not leave an insurmountable legacy.

          • Hank Mardukis

            He was a #4 WR and a special teams player and played at an acceptable level for those positions. Anyone expecting and insurmountable legacy had undue expectations.

          • RSH

            My whole point is that if Keenum chooses to wear number 17, he does not have big shoes to fill.

          • Hank Mardukis

            I’m with you. Not a disagreement, just an aside from a name you listed.

          • Nick

            The two numbers I always wore in sports were 4, and then 17 whenever I couldn’t get 4. 4 is another meh number in Broncos history thus far.

      • ohiobronco

        Elway: You can even keep #7
        Keenum: Really?
        Elway:
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKg4b_zVYAA5HaO.jpg

        • PiperAR

          Keenum: I want five years $28 million APY.
          Elway: How about $20 million and jersey #7?
          Keenum: Deal!

      • Jeremy

        I figured today was the one day to listen to talk radio on the drive. They spent 10 minutes talking through what number he should take after they confirmed what numbers the Broncos had retired.

        Reminded me why I don’t bother with talk radio anymore

    • PiperAR

      Case is a manufacturer of farm equipment. Toms are boring, Tommys and Tommies have high cool ratings but also high douche ratings.

      • RSH

        But Original Tommy’s in Los Angeles is delicious!

  • Drewredux

    Well, splat! Hope takes another big blow!

    I don’t know why I continue to invest my valuable free time into getting perpetually frustrated.

    Ima take a spell off folks. Probably until I believe in management at all again.

    • Which current Broncos QBs are as good as Keenum?
      How is it a good PR move? Good PR would be signing Cousins. 😉
      Anyway, hope you feel better man.

      • Drewredux

        As for or more talent: Siemian and Kelly.

        PR: Spending $38 million just to create the illussion of improvement.

        I feel fine. It just occures to me that this doesn’t feel like much of a hobby these days.

        • cjfarls

          Kelly has more potential sure, but has never seen the NFL field. Maybe he beats out Keenum and we have a really expensive/good back-up. I wouldn’t complain about that.

          TS wishes he was as accurate as Keenum… but after 2 seasons, he certainly hasn’t come close to demonstrating the same consistent accuracy as Keenum. Maybe TS can improve, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

        • RSH

          Do you think that Gary Kubiak feels that Siemian has more talent than Keenum? Kubiak found both of those guys. If Siemian has more talent than Keenum, don’t you think that the Broncos would have shied away from pursuing and signing him?

          • Drewredux

            I think that Denver probably understands that Siemian is dead to the faithful, no matter. But to go ahead and replace him with a more experienced but less talented version of himself should insult and patronize us all. At least on this board.

          • I honestly have no idea what makes you think Siemian is more talented than Keenum — I’ve watched tape on the latter from his college days and he’s just a better QB, sorry. And I don’t think CK is amazing, believe me. I would rather have Cousins (though the guarantee frightens me), but Keenum is better at actually being, you know, QB than Siemian is (who doesn’t have much experience). I don’t get it but each their own. (Again, I DO get being unexcited by Keenum.)

          • Drewredux

            Better is probably a stretch. Same general talent level is more elegant.

            Still?

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            That Kubiak “found” Keenum is somewhat troublesome to me after hearing Kubiak tell us that Siemian was NFL starter material month after month.

      • Sparks

        I guess that depends how you look at it. Are you looking at 2012-2016 Keenum or 2017 Keenum. 2012-2016 Keenum was every bit as putrid as our current QB stable

        2012-2016: 9-15 record – 58.43% comp rate, 24 TDs to 20 INT’s, 218 yrds a game, middling 70’s QBR (76.8 in Hou and 79.5 in STL/LA). Pretty much sounds exactly like our current QB’s. I can’t help shake the feeling we’re getting Osweilered like Hou did. I sure hope he’s more than a 1 year wonder.

        https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KeenCa00.htm

        https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SiemTr00.htm

        https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LyncPa00.htm

        • Drewredux

          I see a guy that has been worse than sub-replacement level, his whole career, then providence put him on a team on an impressive roll.

          The Broncos are the opposite of a on roll right now, and Keenum will almost certainly return to the mean.

        • right, to be fair, I’m looking hopefully at Keenum at his best, not his worst. 😉 His upside is there and his poise last season was impressive, especially as season went on. But there’s some fingers crossing here. Maybe TS at his best was decent too, esp if he had a better line, but even when there was blocking he was prone to take too long and make some unforced mistakes, which I didn’t see from Keenum — at his best, last year

  • Carsonic
    • And again his rating under pressure is promising.

    • PiperAR

      Know what Minnesota had that Denver didn’t? An OC that made an offense fit his QB’s ability and limitations.

      • Carsonic

        Musgrave is better at that than McCoy was, yes?

        • PiperAR

          I expect so, yes. Firing an OC mid season is a pretty big deal.

        • RSH

          That’s the hope, but then again, McCoy was known prior to the 2017 season for tailoring his offenses to the strength of his personnel. Perhaps, having Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers as his quarterbacks subconsciously altered such a mindset.

  • How much would Patrick Robinson cost to bring in as a slot corner I wonder? I kinda like him.

    • RSH

      He is the cornerback that I want the Broncos to sign, but it sounds like he will return to the Eagles.

    • royalwithcheese

      There are some good CBs out there. I’m guessing they’ll wait for the market to settle a little and sign the leftovers.

  • Yahmule

    Well, in some alternate universe, the Broncos signed Bradford and will follow it up by trading for Josh Allen. To that Yahmule, I just say, “Sucks to be you, son! Should have chosen your timeline a little less darkly.”

  • Nick
  • Nick
  • royalwithcheese

    If Keenum is $18M against the cap, then the Broncos only have about $13M in cap space (accounting for rookies, RFAs and ERFAs). That doesn’t leave them with much room to maneuver. CJ, Garcia and TS would give them another ~$8M or so…

    • Tim

      Don’t forget Watson down the road

      • PiperAR

        IF Watson can pass a physical.

        • royalwithcheese

          Exactly.

        • Tim

          He has a lot of time to get healthy for a post June 1st cut

          • PiperAR

            His 2018 injury-only guaranteed salary becomes fully guaranteed on March 18th. At that point, the Broncos can pay him to play or pay him to stay home. Either way, they’re paying him.

          • royalwithcheese

            God. I can see it now. Keenum handing off to CJ with Watson still at RT. Another rough year, with calls for the QB Denver drafted at 5 to start. Shed salary next offseason with DT, ES, CJ and Watson. Hit the reset button with the young QB.

            Basically, we’re a year behind KC’s strategy, except they managed to make the playoffs in the transition year.

          • Ha. Well, maybe not funny. And KC seems to have hit on the young QB, that’s a key obv.

    • Nick

      $18M APY does not necessarily equal $18M against the 2018 cap. If he has a sizeable signing bonus his 2018 cap number should be less than $18M.

      • royalwithcheese

        True. I’m just throwing that out there. I hope you’re right.

      • PiperAR

        If it’s a two year deal, that’s not much time to dilute the signing bonus. Like a water balloon, if you squeeze one end, the other end bulges.

        • Rob Rooney

          They could add a void year at the end so it would be 3 years for cap purposes but only 2 years in practical terms.

        • Nick

          I thought I first heard 3 years, but maybe I’m wrong. And Rob is correct that void years could be in play, but that would be very unlike Denver’s FO.

          • Rob Rooney

            I remember they did it for DRC, but he was a 1-year deal. Team options for additional years are usually better from the team’s perspective and how Elway tends to roll.

  • JMac

    If they can keep him on the field, this is a steal:
    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/973589013075562496

  • cjfarls

    I really don’t understand the trepidation others seem to have.

    Keenum for less than $20m APY and 2-years is IMO a total steal. That’s cheap enough that we can still grab a QB at 5 if someone we like drops, but Keenum’s good enough that we don’t need to move up or reach. The $10m in savings we have compared to Cousins could go a long way to replacing Talib/Gotsis/Watson which also will go a long way towards setting us up for BPA in the draft.

    To me, I’m really happy. Keenum IMO won’t be a world beater, but he can be/is what we hoped TS would’ve been last year. Someone that keeps the car on the road… surround him with some weapons and give him our DEF, and I think we’re right back in the playoff picture. Then all you have to do is get hot in the playoffs or let Von take over.

  • The Color Orange
    • royalwithcheese

      Damn. That leaves Austin Howard and Cam Fleming as the top 2 options, if they go in that direction. If not, they need to look at OG/CB/DL/ILB.

    • Russ

      I wonder if this has anythIng to do with the fact that Adam Gase is an acrimonious, whiny little bitch.

      • RSH

        At some point, Gase’s petty bridge burning is going to catch up with him.

  • RSH
  • SterlingMalloryArcher

    I mentioned below that the two-year length of the Keenum deal makes me think they’ll take a QB in the first round. I don’t think they’d want to be right back in this position two years from now, and Keenum isn’t exactly a proven winner. I was hoping they’d sign Cousins and then go BPA, but I’m not sure they can afford to go BPA with Keenum, Lynch and Kelly as the QBs.

    • Mark

      I agree. Keenum is probably an upgrade over last year QB situation but it seems very unlikely he’s a long term answer. I guess we’ll see. Also, the Broncos pick-up the Rams old quarterback and Rams get Wade and Talib (+ hire what appears to be a great young head coach the same year we went with VJ). What’s up with that?

      • Agree with everything except it’s w/o doubt an upgrade not probably. But even as well as Keenum played last yr., hard to get too excited because he’s not an All-Pro. But you have to draft All-Pro QBs they don’t make it to the market (absent rare cases like Manning in 2012), right?

        • Alaskan
          • He’s an upgrade over last yr. But I think everything else in Trainer’s perspective is accurate (except he wrote gibe when he meant jibe). Keenum isn’t going to turn around the team/franchise. But many had doubts that Cousins would either… and he costs a lot more. They need to draft a really good QB at the top of the draft this year or next, easier said than done.

          • SteveS

            Kinda like Kubiak himself?

          • royalwithcheese

            I basically agree with everything he said here. This team, in all likelihood, is still on the way down. Not saying their record will be worse, but it’s hard to see them being a contender.

            This isn’t the 2015 defense anymore. It’s not even the 2017 defense. No Talib, possibly no Gotsis. Stewart another year older.

    • I think they’ll go BPA at 5 and look for a QB later in draft – especially if Kubes is influencing… that seems to be his MO. And I can see him falling for Falk or Lauletta – hopefully they don’t overdraft one of those guys in the 2nd or 3rd, and can wait until later. Now of course the odds of drafting a difference maker at QB in the later rounds are relatively low.

    • royalwithcheese

      I think it’d be an upset at this point if they don’t take a QB. I’ll pray for a Nelson-LJ combo, but I don’t see it.

    • cjfarls

      I think that if one of the top 3 (4? – Allen – I hope not) falls to them at #5, its a good year to take a QB. I think Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield are legitimate top-of-draft QB prospects, and we hopefully don’t get another chance to draft one of those anytime soon. Allen to me looks like a late-1st risky “tools” project… we can probably get those in future years (e.g. PL), so wouldn’t want to spend a premium 1st rounder on Allen.

      But what I like about this Keenum signing is if 3 QBs go before #5 (plausible if not likely), we can draft BPA with no regrets. The best hope is Keenum plays really well and we re-sign him in 2-years to be our QB for the next 4.

      Or, if a later round QB (Kelly, or someone this year) pans out… great. But eitherway, we’re in no worse spot than we were yesterday long-term, and IMO we’re in a lot better spot overall than we were because at least we have a short-term answer.

    • gobroncos

      Say they do take a QB in the 1st and he rides the bench, but the Broncos don’t do that well, like go 7-9 or 8-8 and miss the playoffs again. Do you keep VJ for another year of mediocrity? Let’s say they don’t, and bring in a new HC. Now you’ve got a new HC, who’ll bring in his own DC and OC. Systems will change. Now that 1st round QB we got might not fit that system. New coaches like to be the one to pick their QB. Not the other way around. This could potentially create headaches in the future.

      • cjfarls

        I don’t think Rosen/Darnold are “system” guys. I think they have the tools to function in whatever system.

        Mayfield probably needs a system tailored to his skillset… but that is true both now and later… we’re not drafting him because he fits VJ’s system, and if anything he’s likely to spend a year behind Keenum developing his “pro” skills anyway. If we’re moving on next year, I don’t think it hurts him to not be thrown to the wolves in a system built for him this year.

        Allen needs a down-field passing system… he’s probably the one that I would be most worried about, but I have ZERO desire to take him at #5 (#40 sure, but not clear he’d fall to there).

        VJ is on a short-ish leash, but if anything getting Keenum short-term is likely to either 1) make it more likely the team does well enough that VJ isn’t fired; and 2) give a bridge for a new coach to build a system around whatever new rookie 2nd year QB we do roll out if Keenum fails.

    • PiperAR

      But why? If you want a QB at #3, why not sign a bottom dollar FA QB? Even if a team prefers one out of Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield, aren’t the other two a better plan B than Keenum? Especially if Cleveland and Buffalo are both pitching wood for Josh Allen, at least one of the others will be there at #5. Spend $20 million to protect against the very remote chance that Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield are all gone and you’re forced to ‘settle’ for Nelson? I just don’t see it.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I don’t think Elways wants to throw any of these rookies into the fire. He wanted a bridge to allow the young guy to get up to speed, IMO.

        • masonjar

          Keenum might also prove to be an excellent mentor based on his experiences and next-gen VR training methods. Of the available Tier 2 quarterbacks, I believe he would be the best in that position.

        • PiperAR

          I understand and agree with the bridge QB. I don’t agree with the second highest price FA QB as the bridge. Heck, Osweiler would pay the Broncos if that were allowed.

          • masonjar

            KC and Bradford are both higher priced. I also wouldn’t want Osweiler starting.

          • PiperAR

            Ok, yes, Bradford is higher priced, but that doesn’t mean he should be.

  • Very busy day at work so be great if Broncos could hold all further moves until tonight. Thanks so much!
    Best, Udog

    • Jeremy

      Same here

  • Tim

    Looks like Richardson is going to the Redskins, I was hoping he would be here. Saw this on the twitter feed at MHR.

  • RSH
    • Tim

      Meredith from the Bears or Lee from the Jaguars have to be the top targets for that WR3 spot?

      • Yahmule

        Meredith or Dontrelle Inman.

        • Nick

          Inman always seemed to have a rare monster performance against the Broncos when he was with SD.

    • royalwithcheese

      That’s a pretty reasonable second-tier WR contract. It would be great if they could get Lee on something similar to that.

    • Carsonic

      “The Vikings converted on 43.5 percent of their third downs this season, the third-best rate in the NFL. Some of that came from Keenum finding guys under pressure for a total of 68 passes converted on third down. Other third-down conversions came when Keenum picked up that yardage with his feet, rushing for five first downs.”

    • PiperAR

      Highly recommended by Jeff Fisher AND Kliff Kingsbury.

    • PiperAR

      Never draft a guy named Kliff.

      • Nick

        I still remember that game in 2005 when the Broncos shut out the Jets, and knocked out their 3rd and 4th string QBs that resulted in Kingsbury at #5 having to finish the game.

  • Nick
    • royalwithcheese

      ANOTHER one that’s been rumored. I wrote that they would sign him days ago. There are no secrets when it comes to the Broncos.

      • It’s so odd. Why does anyone in the team’s FO think it’s a good strategy to publicly declare plans?!

        • gobroncos

          I wouldn’t be surprised if it was League mandated to leak info. It generates interest. It keeps fans glued to their platform.

      • Tim

        I don’t think there’s that many secrets for the league anymore. Broncos do seem to be among the worst though

      • Kwash

        I don’t understand why some of you complain about this so much. How has it hurt them?

  • Nick

    Schefter on air cited two QBs of the past that had fully guaranteed contracts:
    –Dan Marino: OK, fine
    –Rick Mirer: LOL Seahawks

    • PiperAR

      Pre salary cap era?

      • Nick

        Marino, yes. Mirer probably not, the cap started around when he entered the league.

        • PiperAR

          Marino’s career, 1983-2000, was both SC (salary cap) and BSC (before salary cap). Mirer was drafted in 1993 and first year of the salary cap was 1994.

          • Nick

            Schefter said the Marino deal was 1986.

          • PiperAR

            That makes sense. A fully guaranteed Marino in the salary cap era seems unlikely (he was getting old) but not impossible.

    • Nick

      Schefter: Cousins is getting a fully guaranteed contract.
      Polian: Agents often lie about this, we have to see if it’s fully guaranteed for both skill and injury.

      Ouch, Bill, give Adam some credit.

  • Nick
  • Jeremy

    Is there anyone who would have rather had cousins at 84 million fully guaranteed over keenum at 36 million over two years? 28 vs 18 for APYs

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Yes. Me.

      • PiperAR

        I wanna be a minority! I don’t need your authority! Down with the moral majority!

        • Hank Mardukis

          Didn’t realized Billie Joe was a Broncos fan.

      • Jeremy

        We are sitting at 29 million in cap space and draft picks/tenders will take up 10 million. I think most agree we need some other pieces besides qb. What moves do you think we could make to stay competitive with a 28 million cap hit on the books?

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Very few in terms of FA, especially without releasing more players. But they wouldn’t need to draft a QB at 5, so they could address another need there, and throughout the draft. Now they’re more or less forced to draft a QB who will be on the bench for a couple years. If they hit, great, but if they don’t, that pick could likely have been used on a player who could have made an immediate impact.

          • Sparks

            In these initial stages, I’m leaning towards your thinking SMA. I don’t think the Keenum signing magically lifts any restrictions on who they will have to target in the draft. I think QB is very much in play. Then they’ll get to repeat Osweiler again – not get to find out if their drafted QB can actually play or not for a few years as they muddle through the Keenum experience.

          • Jeremy

            So would you have rather not signed a vet and gone into the draft desperate for a qb, while sitting at 5 and knowing there are multiple QB needy teams above you?

          • Sparks

            As I said last week, if the vet is Keenum at $20M APY (turns out I might be wrong by a couple of M) so, Keenum at $18M, then yes, I would have rather turned to the draft. But, in my post last week, I advocated going after Bridgewater/McCown if we didn’t land Cousins and also drafting a QB. I’ll be very interested to see where those guys end up and on what kind of contracts.

          • Jeremy

            Thanks for the reply. I’m excited to see what those guys sign for as well

          • Sparks

            I have a nagging fear Bridgewater will sign in the 10-12M range, further twisting the Keenum knife in my side.

          • cjfarls

            I agree with that, but was always aware that Cousins was unlikely to sign here.

            Once it became pretty clear we weren’t getting him, I’m very glad Elway cut the Keenum deal. Now if a QB we like isn’t available at 5, we can take BPA without regret.

            Absent Cousins/Keenum/Taylor, I don’t think that would be plausible, and we likely would have needed to move up for one of the top rookies or reach for Allen/LJ at #5 (I think it almost probable that the top 3 go before #5 at this point, unless someone is dumb and takes Allen instead).

          • Sparks

            I fully believe we could take Nelson/Barkley (preferably Nelson) without regret, regardless of the QB situation.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I should clarify that I don’t hate Keenum. He was probably the second best option. I just liked Cousins better, even at a premium.

    • Nick

      Walt’s opinion is along the question you’re asking here:

      Kirk Cousins has been linked to the Vikings and Jets, and even the Cardinals lately, but not the Broncos for a while. Denver, apparently, didn’t want to pay nearly as much for a quarterback, opting to go with the cheaper Case Keenum for two years and $36 million.

      This is a solid move. There isn’t that much of a difference between Cousins and Keenum, so why pay Cousins an absurd amount of money when Keenum can be signed at a cheaper rate over fewer years? Keenum caught lightning in a bottle last year and took the Vikings to an NFC Championship appearance, where he didn’t embarrass himself. Keenum has proven that he can get his team to a conference title game as long as he’s surrounded by a great defense, and that’s exactly what he’ll have in Denver.

      I like this move enough to give it a B+. Denver will be much more competitive with Keenum next year. This signing also gives the Broncos flexibility. They can still take a quarterback fifth overall, should they want to repeat what the Bears did last year after adding Mike Glennon. Or, they could opt for what I have them doing in today’s 2018 NFL Mock Draft update, selecting Quenton Nelson to make sure Keenum is well protected.

      • Sparks

        “There isn’t that much of a difference between Cousins and Keenum”. I wonder what unit of measure this comment stems from? It’d be nice if he expounded on that a little bit.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Yeah, my eyes see a pretty big difference.

          • Jeremy

            I see a lot of people saying this, and I’m not saying it’s wrong, but I often don’t see a lot of reasons given. Can you explain some of the differences you see that make cousins worth 10 million more per year?

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Larger body of work, consistency, accuracy. The statistical differences are pretty significant as well.

          • Jeremy

            Keenum had a 67.2 completion percentage last year and his stats were better last year than Cousins’s

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I don’t necessarily read it that way.

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00.htm

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KeenCa00.htm

            Even if I concede that Keenum had a better 2017, Cousins has three seasons with that kind of production to Keenum’s one, and Keenum had far more talent to work with. Cousins was arguably the only decent offensive player for Washington last year.

          • Sparks

            I’ll let you google their stats but Cousins has been an upper tier QB for 3 years running on what many would consider a pretty crappy team. Keenum had one magical Cinderella year with a team that was #7 in rushing (WAS was 28th) and was #1 in defense (WAS was 21st). Sure hope it doesn’t strike midnight while he’s on our watch.

          • Sparks

            I meant to add he was the #3 QB on that roster and came in and played well. But as a backup playing well, is he more Brady or Hostetler. I’d have to say Hostetler. The brass in Minny obviously think Cousins is better at the premium price. So much so that they didn’t even float an offer to CK to my knowledge and from what I’ve seen, the Minny bunch seems to be pretty competent and have their ship moving in the right direction.

          • VonSwenson

            Hostetler won a Superbowl.

          • cjfarls

            Cousins IMO did more with less… Keenum benefited from great WRs and talent around him… he made the pays that were available, but in what I saw wasn’t hitting tight windows, etc. or otherwise creating a lot that his teammates didn’t give him.

            Cousins played similarly, but IMO in far harsher conditions (decimated oline, weaker WRs that didn’t create much separation, etc.). He hit some absolute dime throws, where no one but the WR had a chance. My big worry on Cousins (which I haven’t compared to CK) is that he got a lot of mileage from YAC by his receivers… think his little scat back RB taking multiple 30-plus yard dumpoff TDs last year, or Desean Jackson with the ball in his hands… some of that is system (WCO is built for that), but Cousins got a lot of mileage from it.

            Plus Cousins did it for 3 years, making the “fluke” aspect less likely.

      • RSH

        The latter, please.

        [T]hey could opt for what I have them doing in today’s 2018 NFL Mock Draft update, selecting Quenton Nelson to make sure Keenum is well protected.

    • T. Jensen

      No I’m pretty happy with this. I would have preferred 14 million but that wasn’t realistic.

      He’s not too expensive and we don’t have a long contract with him in case he sucks. I’m down with it.

    • Not me. Though don’t feel great about next year or future. Keenum is an upgrade but not a real difference maker. The price is market and team’s don’t let awesome QBs get to free agency, so best option to not completely write off another year.

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      No, but let’s remember he was had for 2 million last year by the Vikings. And they didn’t think he was worth a pay raise.
      I sure hope Elway has a plan for the draft.

      • Jeremy

        This is also a team that traded two first round picks for Bradford and paid him 16 million last year.

        They seem to be a team who isn’t afraid to be extremely aggressive in the qb market

        Any qb on the market was one a team let get away. If you want a free agent qb by definition your choices will only be ones teams didn’t think we’re worth resigning.

        You could make the same argument about Taylor, McCarron, Cousins, or Bridgewater, Peyton Manning, Alex Smith, or anyone else.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Oh, I agree. It’s just that I’m not holding out much hope Case is going to revive the franchise. To what, 9-7? We gave up Talib to get him. That’s fine, but unfortunately, I still think they need to draft a QB high.

  • Nick

    Schefter pretty much said on the air what I had mentioned earlier: the Broncos didn’t want to get stuck without a seat in the musical chairs QB game, so they pounced on Keenum quickly once Cousins looked quite unrealistic.

    He also said he thinks they’re wide open on what they do in the draft: QB, no QB, stay put, or trade.

    • Jeremy

      Just how you want to be

    • BlackKnigh

      I’ll bet that they have several options on the table. If they have a pool of 2-3 players that they would take at #5 and find that they are all gone – they would have a deal to trade down ready to go. Then have another pool of players that they would take later in the 1st round – that they could pounce on.
      With their methodical approach to signing a FA QB – I am thinking that they will have a very well thought out plan in the draft this season. I hope that they realize that they need to get some fresh talent on their OL rather than those old broken down warhorses they have trotted out at RT the past 2 years.

  • Nick
  • Nick
    • PiperAR

      Should be replaceable by Zaire Anderson or a mid-late round draft pick.

      • PiperAR

        Or, OR, Elway drafts a 3-down ILB. But let’s not get crazy here.

      • Carsonic

        I feel like Zaire has been a bit of a poor man’s Virgil Green. “This year he’ll really break out!” Would sure love to see it happen, but I’m starting to doubt it.

        • PiperAR

          Anderson is kind of the average of Davis and Nelson, and the coaching staff has preferred the tag team approach.

          • cjfarls

            He’s apparently worse than Davis/Nelson situationally… which means he’s worse.

          • PiperAR

            In his limited playing time, he graded better than Nelson vs the run and better than Davis vs the pass. As far as going with the tag team over the player that splits the difference, to paraphrase I think SMA “this approach works, as long as the opponent doesn’t pass while Davis is on the field or run against Nelson”.

            Not saying Anderson is going to be great or even start, just saying Nelson isn’t a high bar to clear.

        • RSH

          Agreed. Zaire is a gritty, lunch-pail, good depth and special teams guy, but we should not count on him to be a consistent starter or difference maker on defense.

      • Jason

        I always thought Nelson would be a bigger impact player. Great move for him!

    • Nick
    • RSH

      Paging SMA, we will be drafting an ILB.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I hope it’s early. I could see them retaining Todd Davis and taking a new Nelson on day 3, which is not what I’m looking for.

  • masonjar

    Just to add information to the discussion–here are pro-football-reference statistics from available quarterbacks (Tier 2 and up) for their arguably two best continuous years respectively. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3b9b780a4a3d9c3f3b79e666212fdd05bc7aecb52df8c422028a01904f8536eb.png

    • Sparks

      Thanks for posting. Below Walt said there isn’t much difference between Cousins and Keenum. I wonder if 3,262 yards, 21 TDs and 7 INT’s over just 7 additional games is much of a difference?

      • masonjar

        Cousins is definitely a gunslinger. I’ve viewed him as a baby Brees, but it seems he wasn’t available. I get the concern over Broncos coaching, especially considering the Vikings. However, the Redskins defense and run game were not daunting and forced Cousins to sling it. Take a look at the 2017 statistics. The Vikings were much more well rounded. Part of Keenum’s discrepancy in aggregate passing stats was the much poorer year with the Rams. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb4130c8f13f3abf0b8d8c2067292130f9fbb674e9e507a3bdba226e06e838e2.png

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          I wonder if Joseph had been fired and replaced by a more offensive-minded coach if Cousins might have found the Broncos to be more appealing.

          • The Color Orange
          • PiperAR

            Usually the HC has more influence on the side of the ball he came up from (defense in Joseph’s case) and the coordinator on the other side of the ball having more influence over their unit. Maybe Cousins doesn’t like Musgrave’s take on the WCO. But I don’t see how it makes a difference if the offense is set by the HC or the OC.
            There are of course exceptions to this. Shanahan was king of meddling with his DCs.

          • cjfarls

            My guess is it was less concern about VJ meddling with the offense, and more concern about the general iffyness/short-leash of VJ overall. KC probably just wanted to go someplace where it was more sure that whoever he was working with was gonna be there long-term.
            Now that said, the hope would be KC makes the team good enough that the team doesn’t fire the coach… and if KC was worried about that, we probably don’t want him anyway.

        • Sparks

          Makes me wonder how Keenum would have fared on the obviously inferior WAS teams? Maybe that Rams year is an indication and I would have to say the 2018 Broncos may be closer to the 2016 Rams than the 2017 Vikings. Maybe not. Maybe we can still add some integral pieces.

    • JMac

      At a quick glance, Keenum is good at avoiding sacks – or played behind great lines… The Sack number really stands out.

      • Jeremy

        The Vikings line was rated as being equal to ours by pff

  • ESPN reporting that one team offered Brees 2 yrs. $60M fully gtd. Was it Denver, Minnesota?

    • PiperAR

      When I hear “fully guaranteed” I assume one of two possibilities. The person saying it doesn’t realize you have to have the cash when the contract is signed, or it AINT Elway.

  • Nick
    • Tim

      I want Solder to leave along with Lewis and Butler. Evil empire looks to be crumbling a bit

      • But then they always seem to be able to create someone new out of the fire pits of Mordor.

        • RSH

          Where the Rex Burkheads originate.

        • Rob Rooney

          The eye is always watching….

      • PiperAR

        Unfortunately, like the Byzantine Empire, they will probably hold out a few centuries longer than it looks like they ought to.

        • Kush-Lash

          I’m impressed with the historical empire reference. I feel smarter.

    • BlackKnigh

      My Miami Dolphin fan friend is going to be very happy. Revenge for Welker going to the Pats.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      If his feeble knees, brittle bones, and aching joints are to stand a chance, this makes much more sense than signing with Buffalo.

    • Tim

      Does this leave Buffalo and Jets battling over Teddy? Or do they just go all in on the draft?

      • Nick

        Buffalo sure sounds like they’re all in on the draft. NYJ…no real clue.

      • RSH

        If I am the Jets, I re-sign McCown to build the Bridge to Nowhere.

    • Jason

      I like Denver’s approach a hell of a lot better than this.

    • Rob Rooney
      • Hank Mardukis

        What’s that from?

        • Rob Rooney

          A.I. Artificial Intelligence. A Spielberg movie from the turn of the century (I have been waiting a while to use that term).

          • Tim

            It looks like a rip off of Ted

          • masonjar

            Or the other way around…Ted (2012)

    • Jeremy

      Guesses on APY? I’ll guess 9 million. And I should really get back to work

      • Clockwork Orange

        Knowing the way things go for Bradford? $20 million.

        • RSH

          $87 million, fully guaranteed.

          • cjfarls

            His life doesn’t suck….

      • masonjar

        $16M APY with $24 guaranteed.

      • Tyler

        Close

  • Nick
  • Kwash

    Wonder if Denver will have interest in Celek. Wouldn’t hurt them for comp pick purposes.
    https://twitter.com/eagles/status/973618434218086400?s=21

    • cjfarls

      I’m not sure he’s more than a camp body/#3 at this point, but would be decent if cheap.

  • Mase, logical and rational as always, with a good thought:
    https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/973601046261043202

    • RSH

      Gotta love Mase. I will always appreciate the half hour conversation that I had with him at Mile High before the season opener last season.

      • pubkeeper

        Did Seinfeld come up?

    • PiperAR

      Which is what Elway tries to do, which is why I like how Elway runs the team.

  • Nick

    Is anyone else having a bug with Disqus not showing a new first-level comment when you click the blue button at the top?

    And then I tried to reply to the Celek comment below and the entire subthread disappeared.

    This is really not a good day to be forcing me to click Load More Comments over and over again, Disqus.

  • Nick

    You read that right: Bradford’s getting paid more in APY than Keenum. That guy got so lucky being the first overall pick at the end of the old CBA.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973629396291670019

    • Hank Mardukis

      Bradford has been the luckiest son of a bitch ever.

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      Wow…

    • ohiobronco

      Florio was saying this morning that Romo never pushed for as much as he could get and Keenum didn’t either because from an UDFA’s perspective even a slightly below market payday seems like winning the lottery. Meanwhile the high draft picks always feel the need to push for as much as possible.

      • PiperAR

        I feel dirty saying anything remotely pro-Cowboy, but I feel a little bad Romo didn’t get a ring.

        • Clockwork Orange

          That can be offset by the joy of not having to see Jerry Jones’ ghoulish face on the podium accepting the Lombardi Trophy.

          • Hank Mardukis

            Romo was always fine with me. Loathe Jerrah.

        • cjfarls

          Screw the Cowboys – but I root for Romo. He never got any respect, yet he was the only thing respectable and making many of those Cowboy teams competitive (well, him and Witten).

          • T. Jensen

            IMO they are worse than Denver fans. While Romo was here he was the choke king and needed to replace him immediately and now that Dak is king I hear them saying Romo wouldn’t have done that or Romo could have won that game.

    • Clockwork Orange

      And here I thought I was exaggerating when I said $20 million APY. Sam Bradford has the greatest agent of all time.

      • Andrew

        No doubt that dude deserves and extra percentage point or 2.

    • Jeremy

      Do we know terms of keenums deal yet?

  • The Color Orange
    • Tim

      If they really like Keenum, trading back and grabbing 12 and 22 could net Smith and Hernandez

      • Carsonic

        Sorry, which Smith?

        • Tim

          Roquan, I hope I spelled that correctly. Gives them an impact player on both sides of the ball

          • Carsonic

            Oh, right! Yeah, that would be a nice Rd. 1 for sure.

      • QDoc

        That would be good. Or Vita Vea or Tremaine Edmunds at 12 and Hernandez.

  • The Color Orange
    • Carrie?! They’re all gonna laugh at you!

      (j/k, that would be a solid signing indeed)

  • RSH
  • Nick

    Didn’t catch the full context, but Schefter said something along the lines of, “Denver won the Super Bowl, Dale Carter? That’s the type of contract you don’t want to attract.”

    • Clockwork Orange

      I could have gone the rest of my life happily never being reminded that Dale Carter played for the Broncos.

      • Nick

        The anti-Neil Smith…

        Daryl “IHOP” Gardener was another terrible Shanny special.

        • RSH

          Simeon Rice was awful, too.

          • Nick

            Shanny was addicted to over the hill defensive players.

          • Hank Mardukis

            At least Rice wasn’t a long-term contract.

          • PiperAR

            Yeah but wasn’t Rice cut after training camp? Rice got paid like $4 million to participate in TC and Denver got the cap hit. Dead money weren’t no thing to Shanny.

  • RSH
  • Nick
  • Nick
    • Per Nicki J. Broncos matched, but Nelson opted for bigger role (and better team) in Philly.

      • T. Jensen

        I heard rumors that Suh is considering Philly next year too. That’s going to be one heck of a team next year.

        • Nick

          I don’t see how on earth Philly is going to fit him in, either financially or schematically.

          • T. Jensen

            true it would have to be vet min but if he wanted to win and play for schwartz again I can see him doing something like that.

          • Nick

            I don’t. Suh is second to Bradford on players overpaid in contracts due to the old CBA.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        If the Broncos matched, wouldn’t he be required to stay?

        • Nick

          He was a UFA, not RFA.

        • What Nick said below. I meant they offered the same deal, but he elected to sign with Eagles.

  • Nick
    • I hear the Jets are looking. 😉
      Unless they want a slightly used Siemian?

    • Carsonic

      I love these highlight reels. He’s got a nice deep ball and seems to handle pressure well. What I’d like to see though, actually, is an INT reel. How many are obvious dumb throws, how many are on the WR, how many are endgame desperation, and how many are just bad luck. Siemian was rolling until he started having too many of the first kind.

      • He def. threw a couple bad picks in the playoffs.

        • Yahmule

          He took an incredibly stupid sack against NO.

      • pubkeeper

        He’s good for one or two really bad head shakers per game. Off the back foot, up in the air type throws.

    • He’s got kind of a weird release, but I’ll wait for Mars Linehan (sp?) analysis.

  • Carsonic

    @disqus_MJVahqSVu0:disqus made a suggestion that got me thinking. (Maybe this is dumb, but-) If Rd. 1 could give you generational talent Nelson, or dependable improvements Roquan Smith and Will Hernandez, which would you take? Upvote poll in comments below.

    • Carsonic

      Nelson

    • Carsonic

      Smith and Hernandez

  • Been busy with work today and computers have been a pain in the rear.

    But here is some of what I can share with you from Mile High Huddle sources about what the Broncos did with the QB search.

    * They did make a pitch to Drew Brees but expected he would stay with the Saints (which he did).
    * They were prepared to make an offer for Kirk Cousins but pulled out when they heard about other offers. Decided it was more than they were willing to pay.
    * Jets and Bills were also interested in Case Keenum. Broncos made an offer to Keenum. Jets made a bigger offer so the Broncos increased theirs and Keenum took the Broncos offer. But before you get tuned up, the Jets’ offer was MORE than what the Broncos and Keenum agreed to, so the Broncos did set a limit as to how high they would go.
    * Broncos considered Teddy Bridgewater but only on a one-year deal and Bridgewater wanted a long-term deal.
    * Broncos did talk to Josh McCown, but were only going to sign him if they missed out on their top four guys (Cousins, Brees, Keenum, Bridgewater).
    * AJ McCarron was only considered as a last resort.

    • Thanks Bob. Have any idea how much the Broncos came up on the initial offer to Keenum? Damn Jets.

      • Andrew

        Yeah sounds like Cousins and Keenum used them as leverage.

      • Jets were willing to give Keenum $20M per year. I can tell you the Broncos were never going to go that high for Keenum.

    • Nick

      Sounds like Keenum really wants to play for the Broncos.

      • Hank Mardukis

        Compared to the Jets it’s a no brainer. I don’t care how bad Denver was this past season.

      • masonjar

        Must be the “praise” from Kyle Sloter!

        • PiperAR

          Could “Thank You Kyle Sloter” become a thin air catchphrase?

    • G Mik

      Great info. Thanks for sharing! And you have to like the approach – and I also like the 4 QBs they targeted though I would be very concerned with Bridgewater’s durability and leg.

      The big question now is do they see Keenum as a bridge and will draft a guy at 5? I haven’t seen any details on the comp which will be telling.

      • cjfarls

        I’m sure they see him as a bridge… he’s 29 and on a 2-year contract. If they aren’t looking for his replacement now, they are missing the “win from now on” point. So that, to me, is the wrong question.

        To me the question is whether they see the top-3 (or 4) rookie QBs as good enough prospects that they pass on a talent like Nelson/Barkley knowing they have a bridge solution for at least the next 2 years.

        But I fully expect them to be looking for rookie QB values… whether that is at #5 or later in the draft depends less on Keenum, and more on who is available at the time.

        • Sparks

          #2018MikeWhite

          • BlackKnigh

            He is the real deal – just not so publicized. I would love to see him in Denver getting ready.

    • ohiobronco

      Sounds like the Broncos at least had a fully thought out plan, unlike 2016.

      • cjfarls

        What do you mean. Elway had plans each year. They didn’t always come through how we’d like, but there were always IMO reasonable plans.

        2012-2015: Plan A: Manning with Oz as backup
        2016: Plan A: Oz; Plan B: Sanchize as bridge with PL as long-term. Then TS outplayed the Sanchize – yeah.
        2017: Plan A: PL; Plan B: TS… with Oz as the super-cheap vet backup once PL got hurt.

        The only year that Elway’s QB plan was crazy IMO was what to do if we didn’t get Manning… stick with Tebow as Plan B?… that truly woulda been crazy.

        But otherwise every year he’s had a “floor” option with some upside, and a long-term youngster to hopefully take the reigns.

        Its sucks for the team that PL turned out to be terrible and TS not quite starter quality (even though he far exceeded his draft expectation). But the plan to draft a 1st round QB and hope he succeeds isn’t “not having a plan” or in anyway illogical. Hindsight is 20-20, but I’ve never questioned Elway’s QB plans. (If you want to talk about OT though, I’m all with ya)

        • ohiobronco

          They didn’t have a thought out plan after Osweiler. Sanchez, Kap watch and Paxton were all haphazard. If they had even put Paxton on the whiteboard they would have never drafted him.

        • Jeremy

          Per Klis, the plan B in 2012 was to draft Brandon Weeden.

          Who knows if that would have changed during draft prep.

    • pubkeeper

      I can’t tell you how reassuring this is that there is no mention of Bradford, they did pitch brees, and stayed disciplined w cousins.

    • BlackKnigh

      Thanks Bob! I echo the comments below about having a thought out plan of action. That makes me feel that they have given a lot of thought to their entire team rebuild including the OL – which needs a 40% rebuild – if not more.

  • Nick
  • PiperAR

    Now forming a World of Warcraft guild named “Case Keenum’s Big Balls”. Sometimes held for charity, sometimes fancy dress, balls held for pleasure are the ones that I like best.

    • Nick

      Are the balls always bouncing to the left and right?

      And is it your belief that they should be held every night?

  • ohiobronco

    Welp this tweet from yesterday was a little premature
    https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/973378292546981888

  • Nick

    Trigger warning for the Nelson aficionados here:

    https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/973639324880293891

    • T. Jensen

      I just don’t see how they don’t draft the heir to Manning. But I couldn’t fault them or anyone for picking Nelson

      • Clockwork Orange

        I couldn’t fault them if they decided that Barkley was just too much of an all-world freak to pass on either.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Davis. Fucking. Webb.

    • Tim

      Allowing Rosen to fall to 5!

    • ohiobronco

      If it went Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, Darnold then I don’t think all in on Keenum would sound quite as good.

      • T. Jensen

        what if it went Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, Darnold, Allen?

      • cjfarls

        Who has gone “all in” on Keenum? He’s making less than $20m APY on a 2-year deal…. the beauty of Keenum’s deal is it still IMO is plausible that we take a QB at #5 if one we like falls. (Note that Keenum’s deal is about what I expected to pay Taylor if BUF had released him)

        • ohiobronco

          I agree with that. Some are saying avoid QB at #5 no matter what. I am saying wait and see how things fall.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Keenum has put us in a pleasurable, position of power. No trade ups are needed. Let the chips fall as the may.

  • Nick
  • Carsonic
    • T. Jensen

      nah – They don’t have Tom Brandstater or Bradlee Van Pelt.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        I’ve always been high on Tom Brandnewstarter 😉

      • G Mik

        Or Chad Kelly…. But it’s only March. They might have him by September.

      • Sparks

        Van Pelt NEVER got a fair shake….NEVER!!

        • Nick

          His QB draw against the Chiefs in 2005 will always be legendary.

      • Hank Mardukis

        Fuck Van Pelt.

      • Or Adam Weber.

        Or Zac Dysert.

      • RSH

        And damnit, Xavier Omon and Mario Fannin were miscast at running back. All they needed was an opportunity behind center!

    • I’ve often found that his feed is ironically named. 😉

  • Steven Searls

    Damn this is getting to be like a game day thread volume wise.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Let’s trade Chad to the Bills

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Baker and Rosen are most likely to be there at 5.
    I’d prefer Baker.

    • Is it possible that Denver sees Keenum as the bridge to… Lynch, ha.

      https://twitter.com/ByJonHeath/status/973647979377704960

      • Hank Mardukis

        Lifetime Thin-Air ban.

      • Clockwork Orange

        That’s a bridge too far.

        • DragonPie

          A bridge to nowhere.

      • PiperAR

        2019, Lynch relieves Keenum with mixed results. Denver tries to extend Lynch, but he walks away for a better offer elsewhere. (Yes I know that the 5th-year option actually prevents this.)

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Dude, that’s NOT funny!

  • Nick
  • Nick
  • royalwithcheese

    Broncos should now focus on:

    — Trading TS
    — Signing OL/DL/CB (probably only enough space to do two of the three)
    — Finding magic elixir to get Watson healthy enough to pass a physical

    That’s it.

    • cjfarls

      Depending on how the draft falls, I’m fine holding onto TS for now. If we don’t get a QB at #5, I’m fine with TS/PL/Kelly fighting for a roster spot or 2. If someone wants to give us a 4th or 5th, I take it… but no need for a fire sale.
      Defintiely need the Watson elixir though… that’s the danger of those injury guarantees.

      • royalwithcheese

        They need the cap space. I’d add cutting CJ and Garcia as well. I’m strongly leaning toward designating Stewart as a post-June 1 cut as well, but I doubt that happens.

        I think they can get a fifth for TS. The Falcons are supposedly interested.

    • I can tell you the Broncos aren’t done talking trades and free agents. There are teams interested in Siemian. Wouldn’t surprise me if they work out a trade there.

      The Broncos will be looking at DL, CB, OL and TE in free agency, but only at the right prices. They have talked to CB TJ Carrie, who would be a good signing to play slot CB.

      And I can confirm the Dolphins have decided not to trade Ju’Wuan James.

    • PiperAR

      I’d prefer to trade Lynch. The cap hit is a deterrent to cutting him, and the possibility of paying him his $2 million guaranteed salary to play XBox doesn’t thrill me.

  • The Color Orange
    • Sparks

      Must be music to Keenum’s ears. Wonder how the Jest $20M offer sounds to Keenum if he thinks there’s a real possibility we go QB at 5?

      • RSH

        Hopefully, this is an indication that the Broncos front office is being more prudent about telegraphing personnel moves, particularly in the draft.

        • royalwithcheese

          Well, we already know that they want Michel or Royce Freeman, so they’re not off to a great start.

          • RSH

            They also met with Ronald Jones II. I am more concerned about telegraphing their intentions in the first round. The Broncos need to maintain their leverage and options open.

          • Yahmule

            Sony Michel is going to have an excellent career.

        • Sparks

          Maybe they’ll try to sell it that they are going to scout Kolton and Son of Zeus.

      • Jason

        I doubt this is news to Keenum.

      • PiperAR

        I think the offer of more $ from NYJ is another indication that taking a QB at 5 is less likely.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Sounds great to Keenum. He gets his guarantee, gets cut the following year, and re-signs for hopefully bank.

        • PiperAR

          Betting on himself is fine. Betting on himself but going somewhere that he knows there will be headwinds working against him, isn’t as smart. It’s not a question that the first round rookie would be a headwind working against Keenum, the question is how strong would it be.

          Oh, and a rookie QB isn’t going to block for Case.

    • Hank Mardukis

      Keenum on a two year contract means they must continue to be proactive with the QB position.

      • Clockwork Orange

        I think the Keenum signing affords them the ability to take the QB they like at 5, as opposed to simply having to take whoever’s left regardless of who it is. If the ones they want are gone, they have the ability to go another direction entirely.

    • Yahmule

      We have many other holes and only one special player but by all means run away from blue chip talent.

      • Tim

        Who’s to say that Rosen and Mayfield aren’t blue chip talent?

        • Yahmule

          Then why waste money on the vagabond?

          • Tim

            Why put all your eggs in one basket? Especially when the “vagabond” is a team friendly short term deal

          • if this team is playoff caliber with competent QB play, you don’t trot out a rookie day 1.

          • Sparks

            I agree with this. Then again, it’s usually not prudent to sign your eventual intended clipboard holder to $18M APY.

          • PiperAR

            If they need a bridge, Teddy and McCarron are cheaper.

          • Steven Searls

            We aren’t playoff caliber anymore if we want to be honest with ourselves.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        I hope they can draft Nelson and then somehow trade up and draft Lamar Jackson. But….It ain’t happening. We need a franchise QB, is it Keenum? Maybe, but I ain’t optimistic. Things could change, he could be the real deal. Odds are he is not.

  • Tim

    Jordy has been released, hope he doesn’t end up with the Pats

    • Nick

      Could he be a viable #3 WR for the Broncos?

      • masonjar

        Jordy Nelson, right? More like a viable #1 for the Broncos. (I jest, still think Demarius is great)

      • I’d sure as hell take him for that. Not sure if his cost will fit #3 receiver though.

        But man… hm… yes please?

    • Wow, Rodgers cannot be happy about that.

  • pubkeeper

    So one aspect to Keenum that I really like is that he has been a big advocate of that new vr technology. Saw an article during the season that talked about how quickly he picked up the Vikings system and he attributed it directly to the reps he got with the simulator. I don’t believe it’s the be-all-end-all, but if that truly is a big reason he had such a jump last season, then I’m excited about the prospect of him getting that in the building at dove valley. To this point, Elway, Kubes and vj have all been pretty dismissive of it. To have someone who is willing to use it on his own and be able to demonstrate positive effects is a good thing.

    • How do we know Kubes and Elway have been dismissive of it? Not debating just wondering if that’s been discussed publicly. And why they wouldn’t support it?

      • pubkeeper

        I’ve seen reporters all them directly about it. All three.

  • RSH

    The Eagles signed Haloti N’gata. If Philadelphia cuts Vinny Curry, I would be interested in him.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/973575399019044864

  • Nick
    • Hank Mardukis

      Von is a good teammate.

    • Nick

      And Von’s also likely to get a bunch of critical comments on the jersey number.

    • RSH

      Love ya, Von, but your boss’s number will never be worn again by a Denver Bronco unless John Elway has a grandson that ends up being a Bronco quarterback.

  • JMac
    • So did they pass on Bridgewater?

      • Nick

        Sure looks like it. I wonder if he overplayed his hand.

        • Tim

          Does he go to Buffalo now?

          • RSH

            My goodness. That would be a terrible fit.

    • JMac
      • Sparks

        I’m thinking McCown at $10M and a rookie QB at 5 sounds a whole lot better than Keenum at $18M and a rookie QB at 5.

        • cjfarls

          Ugh, not at all for me.
          Keenum has shown ability to take an otherwise talented team deep into the playoffs. He’s also young enough that we could conceivably be a 5-year solution if last year’s peak was a plateau rather than a spike.
          Any QB taken in the draft is far from a sure thing, ESPECIALLY as a rookie. I’m fine rolling the dice, to get a long-term answer, but a hedge/floor vet like Keenum doesn’t both me at all.

          McCown has shown enough to suck and sink his teams, pretty much regardless of where he was… and is even older now. $10m for that is the epitomy of throwing good money after bad. I’d far prefer going with TS or Oz for <$5m than McCown…. and that's not even close IMO.

          • Steven Searls

            I’m betting that $10M is to be their rookie QB’s personal coach/backup

          • Sparks

            I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t like the concept of taking any player at 5 that is not going to contribute right away. You take a QB at 5, you got to get the kid some snaps, not stash him away on the bench for 2 years. My thought is I’d rather have $10M sitting on the bench than $18M while those much needed snaps are given to the #5 overall guy.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          I would tend to agree. But hey, since they’ve already dumped Talib, gotta spend the money somewhere. Since no decent oline, QB it is.

    • This, right here, is why we should be happy to have signed Keenum.

  • Nick
    • Sparks

      Osweiler….duh!

    • Sparks

      The longer this goes on, the more I’m getting a nagging feeling we’re going to trade 5 to Buffalo, placing us squarely just outside of Blue Chipsville.

      • this is where I am as well. All I want is to not trade down!

        • Sparks

          I’d be OK if they could scare the Jest enough to have them trade to move up one spot for a QB they want, but to slide out of the Top 10, it’d have to be one whale of a deal.

  • RSH
    • WTF, how does this guy keep getting signed on the first day (or before) of free agency? Even with the guy that drafted him now the GM in Cle, Stephenson should be a guy that signs in the second week of FA or later.

      • RSH

        That says a lot about the state of offensive line play, and in particular tackle, in the NFL.

    • Nick

      Seems like there’s always bad news for the Broncos involving this guy:

      https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/973662309393489920

      • ElwayIsGod7

        I don’t care. Get him TFO.

        • Nick

          Mission accomplished, then.

  • Nick

    This old friend keeps hanging around in the league.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973660734767943681

  • Nick
  • RSH
    • Any news on Solder? Are Texans adding both OTs?

      • royalwithcheese

        Allbright says they are out on Solder.

  • The Color Orange
    • Drewredux

      I been saying since the whole Franchise QB silliness began that the whole paradigm has been flipped.

      There are maybe 3 guys a generation that can succeed anywhere. The rest are never plug and play. Ever.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Old adage, how would have Montana done in Denver?

        Course the corollary is Marino. I think he and Elway would have been great anywhere.

        • Alaskan

          Dan Reeves would have still slammed Sammy Winder into the line twice and then thrown Hail Mary’s even with Montana.

        • PiperAR

          One can’t tell how Montana would have done on an average team because Montana was never on an average team.

  • RSH
    • Sparks

      Is that THE Brady Quinn?

      • Nick

        The account has a blue checkmark.

        • “3rd (and) Goal” – not something he saw a lot of when playing QB.

  • JMac
    • JMac

      At the bottom of the article:

      “The Broncos have tendered all seven of their exclusive rights free agents: receiver Jordan Taylor, long snapper Casey Kreiter, defensive end Shelby Harris, offensive tackle Elijah Wilkinson and linebackers Zaire Anderson, Jerrol Garcia-Williams and Joe Jones.”

  • RSH
    • royalwithcheese

      He was someone I was hoping the Broncos would look at. I haven’t heard even a whisper of any interest in WRs, though.

  • JMac

    Interesting – What would people be comfortable paying him?

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/973672698604695553

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib, Sam Shields, Nickell Robey-Coleman, and Kayvon Webster at cornerback. Am I missing anyone? Wow.

      • JMac

        Wade needs a segment on on one of those Hoarders shows with all those corners…

      • Sparks

        Looks like they are doing all they can to take advantage of Goff’s poverty years.

      • Nick
  • Kwash
    • RSH

      That ambulance is headed straight to the bank.

    • Yahmule

      That was good.

    • BlackKnigh

      Thanks for the laugh!

  • Yahmule
    • Yahmule

      Joel Osteen looks at this guy in awe.

      • Sparks

        You know, I’m looking at this Keenum thing all wrong. If I look at it like “at least we didn’t sign Bradford” then it seems like a better move, even if only for a fleeting moment.

        • Hank Mardukis

          An argument could be made Keenum was the second best FA QB. I guess.

        • Yahmule

          I just hope it means we pick an impact player @ 5.

          • Seriously, is this better or worse than signing Brian Hoyer as was discussed an off-season or two ago?

  • RSH
    • Nick

      It’s pointless to sign them after signing Bradford for $20M unless they’re for rock bottom salaries.

      • ohiobronco

        They need a week 2 starter still.

  • RSH
    • Sparks

      This take them out of the Barkley race?

      • Yahmule

        Not necessarily. Stewart is 30 and probably pretty cheap.

      • RSH

        I don’t think so. Stewart’s tread is at best 4/32nds.

        • Sparks

          I appreciate the exact measurements to quantify the response.

          • RSH

            Abraham Lincoln’s head is almost entirely showing. 🙂

  • Yahmule

    I can’t believe Danny Snyder hasn’t offered Suh $100,000,000/5 yet.

    • RSH

      I am not sure if he will with Sheldon Richardson signing there.

      • Nick
        • RSH

          Talk about locker room volatility.

      • Yahmule

        Has that happened?

      • royalwithcheese

        That was Paul Richardson, right?

        • RSH

          I swear I read something that a deal was in place, but I am have been conflating the two, so Suh may still be in play for Washington, especially given Snyder’s proclivities.

    • G Mik

      He learned his lesson – It’ll be 10-year $200,000,000 this time.

  • Nick
  • Yahmule

    Cousins concerns about the instability on our coaching staff seem quite valid to me.

    • Tyler

      For sure. 1st time head coach who had a shaky at best first season. Could easily be hitting the reset button next offseason.

      • RSH

        With John Harbaugh. BOOM!

        • BlackKnigh

          Wow!! That would be like manna from heaven! With Elway’s competitive edge and Harbaugh at the HC throttle – this team would be the next dynasty.

    • Something that should have been considered when the team publicly disclosed it was considering firing VJ, only to keep him around with the general belief that a poor start to 2018 would likely get him canned.

  • RSH
    • Sparks

      Damn, I was hoping the Broncos would look at Crowell.

      • ElwayIsGod7

        No Leg-humpers. Except TD. TD gets a pass. And Champ Bailey.

        • Sparks

          What SEC guys can we sign? 🙂 There’s a few GA players I wouldn’t mind in this draft.

  • Nick
    • royalwithcheese

      That’s a big bet, but not outlandish money. Not anywhere close to Wagner money. I wonder where this leaves Shon Coleman?

    • gnasses

      He was a guy I was hoping we would have interest in and could have had for a little less money.

  • RSH
  • RSH

    High praise from a former Denver Bronco and Super Bowl champion.

    https://twitter.com/salaams_from_68/status/973576846230003713

    • Don’t dispute he had a fine season in 2017, but how can 4 teams in 4 years miss on the fact that he’s that good of a player and leader, one that’d make them an instant “contender”?

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Vikings, Rams, Houston and who else?

        • Sparks

          Rams count as 2 – STL and LA. 🙂

        • You’re right, 3 other organizations but Hou and Rams both had two cracks at him.

          • G Mik

            That tells me they thought highly of him. Maybe a better way to put it is they like him…. but as a QB you need to be loved. Otherwise why would they bring him back? Kubiak wanted him in Denver and we couldn’t get him. So people that know him believe he can play and he backed that up this year. Another great year and he’ll be loved. or stay liked if he doesn’t.

            Last year was the first real shot he’s had and he played great. I haven’t watched enough of Keenum to consider myself knowledgeable and would be surprised if many here have but any comparisons to Siemian are lazy at best. Doesn’t mean they don’t have things in common but Keenum has seen more success in college x1000 and also now as a pro. I like TS and maybe he’ll blossom but they aren’t the same right now.

          • Sparks

            I don’t know if comparing the new starter to the old predominant starter for the last 2 years is lazy at all. If anything, I would think it’s imperative to do a comparison to make sure you’re getting an upgrade, and if so, by how much.

      • Sometimes players… improve with more playing time and good coaching and build on what they already had? It does happen, more than I think we realize (including with QBs).

        • Sparks

          Just not the ones currently on our roster, apparently. 🙂

          • haha, yeah with TS at least, not sure how much there was to build on other than a good arm, but he’s also a weird case because unlike Keenum he didn’t play much in college either. Maybe Trevor will be a late bloomer too, who knows!
            With Paxton, god only knows…

          • Sparks

            Agreed on Paxton. I always thought one of TS’s best strengths was his mind. Unfortunately he wasn’t able to use that to make up for his weaknesses. At least not this last year. I’ll be interested in seeing where he lands and if he gets another shot.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        #JeffFisher

      • BlackKnigh

        Johnny Unitas washed out with the Steelers before the Colts got him. That was back when the QBs called all the plays.

  • RSH
  • Nick
    • If Denver takes a QB at 5, then should have just signed McCown at McCarron for a year at $10M. Let’s hope it’s BPA.

      • PiperAR

        Piper’s log March 13 2018 17:41 Central Daylight Time
        Still agree with Uncle Rico. This is becoming…. unsettling.

        • BlackKnigh

          Not too early in the day for your 1st drink….

          • Jason

            It’s never too early. Just drink whiskey do you don’t get filled up and bloated.

          • bradley

            Beer – not just for breakfast anymore.

          • Alaskan

            I used to have a T-shirt that said Coors, Breakfast of Champions.

      • The Color Orange

        Remember, though, it’s in Denver’s best interests for everyone to believe they’ll take a QB at 5, even if they have no intention of doing so. If they’re smart, they’ll do everything in their power to make everyone think a QB is in play at 5.

        • This is a team that widely broadcast is 1st rd. intentions the last two drafts.

      • Jason

        What if the BPA is a QB?

        • I want Nelson but know that the team’s biggest need long term is a franchise QB.

    • gnasses

      Ugh.

  • RSH
  • RSH

    225 comments to a 1,000 for today’s Orange Overview.

    • Russ

      224.

      • RSH

        Well played, sir.

  • ElwayIsGod7

    Go Broncos.

    • RSH

      Welcome back, man!

      • ElwayIsGod7

        Thanks. I missed you guys.

    • Nick

      Only a Cougar has agreed to terms so far…#NoUpdykes yet.

      • ElwayIsGod7

        Acceptable.

  • RSH
    • royalwithcheese

      Damn it.

    • RSH
    • Yahmule

      The Ravens could have signed any John Brown out of the phone book at random and it would have upgraded their WR corps.

      There are still phone books, right?

      • RSH

        Yes. Last summer when some dudes were delivering phone books in my neighborhood, I told them not to leave one on my doorstep, as it would end up going straight to my recycling bin.

  • Nick
  • RSH
    • Nick

      I wonder if the Raiders are disappointed, they were heavily rumored to be in on him.

    • royalwithcheese

      He was supposedly going to set the market. Maybe Broncos can agree with TJ Carrie after this happens.

      EDIT: Or, in response to Nick’s comment, maybe the Raiders overpay to get Carrie back.

    • RSH

      Bradley Roby is going to make a lot of money in the near future.

      https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973695997837750274

  • BlackKnigh

    804 comments now!!! What a day!!

  • RSH
  • royalwithcheese

    Players still out there who could still be in play:

    LT: Solder
    RT: Howard, Fleming
    OG: Mewhort, Pugh, Sitton
    DL: Richardson, Poe, DaQuan Jones
    CB: Carrie
    S/CB: Joyner
    TE: Eifert

    • Nick

      Joyner’s tagged.

      • royalwithcheese

        Whoops.

    • Yahmule

      TJ Carrie and DaQuan Jones, please.

  • Nick

    It keeps seeming like things are calming down, but then:

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DarlingImperfectBarasinga-size_restricted.gif

    • The one memorable part of that disappointing movie!

      • Yahmule

        I don’t know what movie you’re talking about. They made two Godfathers.

  • Nick

    If he doesn’t get in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame, he should at least be in the Twitter Hall Of Fame.

    https://twitter.com/sonofbum/status/973705003234861057

    • RSH

      And cornerbacks for that matter!

  • The Color Orange
    • Hank Mardukis

      Yahmule just fist pumped so hard.

    • Andrew

      I hope he is right.

    • G Mik

      Chris Harris has no more knowledge of what the team will draft than we do. Not sure why he would make these comments and I would think the team would tell these guys to avoid prognosticating. Maybe not who knows.

    • Don’t worry… we’ll all know who the team plans to take about a week befor the draft.

      • Andrew

        Yep I’d Klis’s lovefest for Allen continues after Keenum signing we will know what we’re in store for(please Kubiak don’t let John do it).

    • Yahmule

      + infinity X infinity.

  • The Color Orange
    • PiperAR

      That doesn’t look right. How can a larger number be at the bottom and the smaller at the top? Isn’t being at the bottom of INT% a good thing?

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Bottom meaning worst. Higher INT%.

  • Nick
    • Interesting. Denver wanted him on a one yr. deal, he held for more term but didn’t get it. Would team have preferred him to Keenum on a one yr. deal?

      • Nick

        Given what Bob hinted at downthread, I’m going to guess no. Keenum seemed liked the clear plan B.

  • Nick
  • Nick

    I felt like I timed that brief lull in free agency well while cooking some marinara pasta and curried carrots for dinner. I was planning to stock up on leftovers tonight in preparation for free agency opening tomorrow, but I may have been a day too late.

    • gobroncos

      At first I read Marijuana Pasta….musta been ’cause of that TD article posted above. Ha!

      • Nick

        I tried a supergreens hybrid pasta that says it used kale, zucchini, parsley, broccoli, and spinach. It should be easy enough to add a sixth green in there, right?

        • PiperAR

          But it in the butter or Olive oil n make a green sauce.

      • T. Jensen

        Me too

  • Nick
    • royalwithcheese

      Allbright says Broncos are interested.

    • BlackKnigh

      He is a money guy. I hope Denver signs him. He can block too!

  • Nick
    • Alaskan

      Why not? Like me, he happens to live in a place where it is perfectly legal.
      I don’t use a lot, but when you are awake in the middle of the night, it sure knocks you back down.

      • Nick

        I’ve never heard of cannabis as a treatment for insomnia, I’ll have to learn about that more.

        • Alaskan

          You’ll have to trust me on this one.

        • Tim

          It works wonders for insomnia

          • Yahmule

            Especially edibles.

        • Yahmule

          Indicas.

    • Andrew

      Another reason to love TD not that there weren’t already enough.

  • Nick
  • RSH
  • RSH
  • Pretty much. (Critique of Media more than fans.) https://twitter.com/miketanier/status/973642362953125889

  • Nick
    • royalwithcheese

      Titans are pretty legit. AFC South is tough.

    • BlackKnigh

      Rats leaving a sinking ship….

    • pubkeeper

      Is it too much to hope the super bowl loser hangover kicks in this year?

  • Nick
    • royalwithcheese

      Guys, I think Kris based his story on a comment I posted here earlier today.

      • PiperAR

        Demand royalties.

        • Jason

          With cheese….

      • RSH

        Do you think that there are media lurkers here?

      • Call him out.

  • Kush-Lash

    I’ve decided I’m going to reserve my full judgement and nick name use solely on whether or not Full (or Half) Case hosts a passing camp in southern CA with the WRs this Summer.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I would also accept “Trophy” Case. Long as it isn’t “Head” Case or “Murder” Case. Or “Syphilis” Case.

  • Nick

    Rumor is it’s the Jets giving him this.

    https://twitter.com/AWilliamson54/status/973737470339657729

  • Tim

    Jordy visiting Raiders. I like him, I don’t want to root against him

  • royalwithcheese

    https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/973740526775291904?s=21

    $9M AAV. Talib is at $10M AAV. He was a bargain. Wonder how this impacts the Broncos’ pursuit of Carrie/another no. 3 CB.

    • RSH

      The Broncos may have to find a nickel corner like a DJ Hayden on a prove-it deal.

      • royalwithcheese

        Go cheap at CB and spend it on Austin Howard? 🙂

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Drafting one on Day 2 could help, if they look for a more pro-ready rookie and ignore the developmental, high-ceiling prospects.

  • BlackKnigh

    I was thinking of a good reason for Denver to draft Quenton Nelson with #5 pick. Remember how bad the Raven’s OL was when we played them during the 2012 season? Their best player Marshal Yanda was out. When he came back near the end of the season and took his place at – I think – RG – they retooled their OL sending a couple of guys to the bench and bringing in another player in addition to Yanda. They had a kick-ass line for the playoffs. Yanda made that entire line better.
    I think Nelson will raise the level of play should he man the LG position for Denver. Leary has made an impact last year – but putting a blue chipper in that line will make a huge difference.

    • PiperAR

      Stop, stop, I need to go to bed soon.

    • Andrew

      I’m with you Nelson at 5 if he’s there period.

    • Yahmule

      He’s not just the best player in the draft. He’s a team leader. He’s a guy who can change the whole culture of your locker room. Elway had a problem with a soft team last year, right?

      • BlackKnigh

        No softness with this guy!! Elway has an opportunity to put his money where his mouth is. Hope he takes a long hard look at this guy – and pulls the lever for him – or whatever they do when they make their pick!
        The whole team will take on a team first attitude and a toughness that will make a difference.

  • Alaskan

    What a day, guys. 893 comments and counting. We had plenty of game threads this season (for unfortunately obvious reasons) that did not approach that number.

    • Nick

      This comment should make it 898. Work hard to get to 900 before we call it a night!

  • Nick
    • VERY sad. 😢

      (To make it lighter enjoy samples of Hawking’s sense of humor with this montage of him appearing on Futurama and Simpsons
      https://youtu.be/AW-p8s_HCCo )

      RIP

    • Andrew

      Bad news indeed.

    • Yahmule

      Just one of the most amazing people who ever lived. Outlived the fatal diagnosis from his doctors by 55 years.

  • FloydLittle44

    Jerrick Mckinnon would be a great passing down back. Plus he returns kick offs. So far not signed