• Sparks
    • ohiobronco

      If retirement is the best option, at least he made it to a solid second contract to earn himself some security.

      Somewhat related, in the most predictable development ever last night’s game turned ugly. Things still very serious for Ryan Shazier.

      • Sparks

        I wasn’t able to catch the game…what happened to Shazier?

      • Nick

        Damn, it’s probably good I missed this game, so much of this looked very ugly from what I’m reading and clips I’m watching.

        • ohiobronco

          I would not want to be Juju the next time he is on the field with Burfict.

      • bradley

        Shazier does have movement in his legs

      • Jeremy

        If he did retire and paid back remaining money he will have made about 19-20 million in his career. (if he didn’t pay back the signing bonus add another 3.5 million or so).

        Fantastic money but you do have think he would have gotten so much more on the open market.

    • Yahmule

      I think he should retire, but I’ll be a little surprised if he does.

      • Sparks

        You’re probably right. This is just the latest in a line of neck/back related injuries for him. Hopefully he doesn’t risk his quality of life post-football more than he already has.

  • bradley
  • Sparks
    • Russ

      Yeah, that’s kind of a dumb motto, especially taken out of context. Can’t blame KC fans for trolling there. But now (like last year’s week 17 game vs Oakland) I want nothing more than to crush them, draft order be damned.

    • Kndh19

      What a dumb motto

    • Rob Rooney

      It is marginally better than KC’s ‘No Lamar Hunt Trophies’!!

    • RSH

      Joseph probably should have chosen a different word or series of words to better convey the idea or motto. I think the connotation is still there, but of course, the trolls and everyone wanting to find fault with the guy, who has little capital built up, jump(ed) all over this.

      • Sparks

        Yeah, even something that is well overused like “No Quitting” would have been better. Let’s see what else could he have done. This will be a fun exercise for a slow news day. 🙂
        – No Regrets
        – Keep Chopping
        – Keep Grinding
        – No Turnovers
        – Just Keep Swimming
        – Don’t Lose Focus
        – There’s Always Next Year
        – You Haven’t Seen The Last Of Us
        – No Injuries

        • ohiobronco

          Would “Please Avoid Planning Your Vacation During Work Hours” fit on a T-Shirt?

      • Hard to read past the first sentence: “Vance Joseph‘s latest Monday was eerily similar to the one before and the one before that and the one before that.” Meaning, he’s lost and doesn’t understand that doing the same thing again and again will not yield a different result.

        Also troubling is VJ’s standard “I can’t speak to [X]” response. Last week X was the talent on the roster. This week it’s Siemian’s confidence. You’re the head coach, how can you not speak to or opine on issues directly related to your football team.

      • Steven Searls

        I’d like to see him angry when discussing these losses. It just seems he lacks any passion. All I see is a man who looks in over his head.

  • The Color Orange
  • bradley
    • The Color Orange

      Although he makes clear that is his opinion rather than a sourced comment.

    • Sparks

      Man, I’m really, really hopeful that Garoppolo tears it up the rest of the season and removes SF from the QB draft race.

      • Nick

        I would be very, very surprised if SF does anything else other than extend Garoppolo and commit to him fully in 2018.

        • ohiobronco

          He has such a small sample, the final four games will really affect what happens.

          • Sparks

            That’s my thought as well. He throws up a couple of stinkers and John Lynch may start thinking he needs to hedge his bets by taking a QB very early.

          • Russ

            I agree with Nick. He looked good in his debut. Even if he stinks it up, they invested enough in Garoppolo already with draft picks that I’d be shocked if they re-up with a QB at the 2nd or 3rd pick.

          • Sparks

            I hope you guys are right. It would make sense if they commit to him. I just want as clean a field of QB’s for the Broncos to choose from if they decide to not go the FA route.

            SF only traded their 2nd round pick (which is basically a late first since it’ll be so high) but I don’t know if that is so much draft capital that they automatically commit if he shows very poorly over the next 4 games.

          • Nick

            At worst, they’ll franchise tag him. Four games on a subpar roster isn’t enough time to conclusively judge him.

          • Sparks

            How much would a franchise tag be for him next year? If they franchise him, do you think that would stop them from drafting a QB high knowing he’s basically only on a 1 year contract?

          • Nick

            I’m actually working on introducing our first franchise/transition tag projections on OTC right now. For a QB the franchise tag should be around $23.3M.

            And I say yes. Remember that they also sunk a 3rd on CJ Beathard last draft. The bigger threat should not be SF taking a QB ahead of Denver, but SF trading that pick to another team that wants to jump Denver for a QB.

          • Sparks

            OK. Thanks for the info and input. $23.3M is a lot to pay a guy with 3 starts but he is undefeated. Your last line makes a lot of sense as well.

          • Nick

            49ers have a ton of cap space to burn, $23.3M is not going to be a big price for them to audition Garoppolo for one year.

          • Yes, just as they did last year with the Bears. Good news is Elway and Lynch are close and perhaps could get a deal done to protect against being jumped, bad news is that to move up just one spot last year it cost the Bears a lot of draft capital.

      • Yahmule

        They could still trade out of the pick. The Broncos can pick second by simply losing out. I think the Giants and Niners each can win another game based on their schedules. The one positive thing is it looks like the Broncos will win the strength of schedule tie breaker against pretty much everybody in their range.

        • Yahmule

          If I’m Cleveland, I would pick Barkley number one (or trade down) and I would take my quarterback with the Houston pick. If they pass on Darnold (and why take the only guy who has publicly pissed on your franchise), I think he won’t get past the Broncos @ two.

          • Sparks

            I see Darnold to the Broncos all over the place. I’m going to have to look into him more. Honestly, my original thoughts on him were he’s the worst of the big 4, but I’ve come around some. I know it’s very, very early and the whole draft ‘mocks’ will change 1000 times before the draft but I find it interesting. What are your thoughts on Darnold? You think he’s going to be a player?

          • Isn’t there a real chance that Darnold stays in school? Would you take Mayfield over Darnold/Rosen? Funny, you don’t like Darnold… I don’t like Rosen that much. It’s all a crap-shoot.

          • Sparks

            Agreed, it is. My current ranking (subject to change as either more info is available or just on a whim) would be Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson & Darnold.

            Darnold would probably project as the #1 overall if he stayed another year, but currently he’s projected being top 3 so I think that’d be hard to pass up. Maybe not though.

          • Yahmule

            I think Darnold is a classic case of a guy who has been overscouted. He was absolutely stellar in 2016 as a redshirt freshman and might have been the first pick in last year’s draft if he had been eligible. He started the season shaky – two picks against Western Michigan will get tongues wagging – but he’s been outstanding over the last two months and he is above average in every physical category. I like his pocket sense and his ability to extend plays – which also gets him into trouble at times – but is a plus overall. I don’t see him as being an elite talent in any particular category, Rosen is a much better passer, IMO, but I’m fairly sure the Broncos will make their decision on Rosen based on non-football related criteria. The league is doing tons of advance work poisoning the well about this kid. I could tolerate Darnold over Rosen. If he picks Allen over Rosen, we’ll be back in the top ten next year and we’ll pass on Herbert/Stidham because we’ll still be spoon feeding Allen.

          • Yahmule

            Ultimately, I would be very happy with Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson or Stidham if he declared. I would also be down with trying to get a second tier guy at the top of round two (or trade back into round one) and take Quenton Nelson. The last time I liked a guard as much as Nelson was David DeCastro when he came out in 2012. I was hoping the Broncos would trade up for him before they wound up trading down. We didn’t miss him by much. The Steeler had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL when they drafted DeCastro and they’ve steadily improved in recent years. I think having that enthusiastic road grader is a huge reason why.

          • Sparks

            Thanks for the info. Good stuff. I like Nelson quite a bit as well, partially due to your enthusiasm about the kid. For that reason, maybe going FA QB might be the ticket to allow us to start bolstering the line with Nelson.
            I’m with you on Allen. He’s 5th best in the class IMO and that’s a distant 5th.

          • Yahmule

            Allen has me worried. His highlights are awesome (although his overall game tape reveals major flaws) and he’s got elite physical tools. He’s also a likable kid, so I think the Broncos might fall in love with him during an interview, but I think it’s going to be a real uphill climb for him the NFL.

          • Royalwithcheese

            I *hope* their experience with Paxton has soured them on solely scouting on traits/tools. At some point, that has to translate onto the field.

          • Yahmule

            All the articles about him having the best physical tools in the draft (because people like to pretend Lamar Jackson’s size is a major issue) and calling him a John Elway clone. If we ever hear that the Broncos actually like him, you can probably etch it in stone. Based on the way we tend to evaluate quarterbacks, I’ll be somewhat surprised if he’s any worse than second behind Darnold on our list.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Watson was “too thin” as well. Until he wasn’t. Jackson’s tools are off the charts, including a great arm with a compact throwing motion. I know I’m preaching to the choir.

          • Steven Searls

            We won’t take him. He’s not tall enough.

          • Royalwithcheese

            If he comes in at 6-3, I don’t think that would be a problem.

          • Yahmule

            Yes, you are. I would buy that jersey before he takes a snap for us.

          • Royalwithcheese

            You and me both.

          • gnasses

            My ideal dream scenario right now would be for us to trade down a couple spots to someone high on a particular QB, pick up Nelson somewhere in the 5-8 range, then move back up for whichever of the QB we like left at around 17-20, or a McGlinchy/Brown if there is a QB run or just Allen left. Should be able to get there with the 3rd rnd comp pick it looks like we will manage to get.

          • Yahmule

            That would be ideal. I wouldn’t want to drop more than a couple spots, but extra trade capital is nice. The one caveat is Indy and Cincy will probably look hard @ Nelson and dropping behind them is risky.

          • ohiobronco

            I see your point about Nelson but the Steelers had a QB in place in 2012. I kind of think if you need a QB and have a high pick in a strong QB class you don’t try to get clever.

          • BlackKnigh

            The Steelers drafted right before Denver that year. I was hoping DeCastro would still be there. Danged old Steelers….
            Denver traded down and picked up Wolfe. He has been a huge contributor.

        • Laces Out

          That seems!easy now huh

    • BlackKnigh

      Thanks, Bradley. Good article.

  • ohiobronco

    The Broncos are pretty much starting from scratch on offense next year. I think they should keep Bill Musgrave in place and go back to a full WCO nomenclature and system next year. I don’t care so much about zone vs gap running (a flexible combination seems best) but in general it is just much better for a young QB and a mostly new group. Even if they go veteran QB Cousins, the Vikings QBs and Taylor all come from a WCO background. The EP/NE system just takes so much chemistry, continuity and QB aptitude to implement that it doesn’t make sense for an offense starting from essentially nothing. Plus the Broncos will have to make coaching decisions before they know for sure who their QB will be. Just look at Brock and Trevor, both have had their best stretches under WCO and their worst under EP/NE.

    • RSH

      Sounds like you listened to Polumbus & Lindahl this morning. 🙂

      • ohiobronco

        That’s what set off my rant but it is along the lines of what I have been thinking. Particularly in the fact that you have to decide who your coaches are in January and you don’t know who your QB is until March at the earliest. There are hopefully going to be multiple new offensive starters including QB, it would be nice to have at least a shred of stability and identity.

        • RSH

          I don’t know if I am overly enthusiastic with moving back to the WCO. I would be more open to Musgrave’s, Andy Reid’s, Doug Pederson’s, or Mike McCartney’s versions of the WCO, but definitely not reverting back to Gary Kubiak’s or Rick Dennison’s version of that scheme.

          • ohiobronco

            I think we all agree that something a little more evolved than Kubiak/Dennison is needed but at it’s core I think it’s a good start.

          • RSH

            If you really want to go simple, go a pure Air Coryell scheme that uses mostly numbers. I think that would be the best system for Paxton Lynch. You need a much stronger and dominant offensive line that can pass protect, coupled with an accurate passer to deploy such a scheme. https://www.bigblueview.com/2016/7/8/12118050/summer-school-air-coryell-offense-don-chargers-fouts-turner-tomlinson

          • ohiobronco

            I don’t necessarily want simple, just some continuity in nomenclature and system. It seems like coaches and systems have been picked ad hoc with no overarching vision.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Pederson’s scheme seems like it would be ideal for Mayfield and Jackson. Maybe Darnold. Rosen seems more like a traditional drop-back passer.

          • John

            Good point. Kubiak went for O-linemen that fit the scheme, but not the best ones. I want to get the best linemen, not undersized guys with no strength.

          • RSH

            And the run game has made major strides this season. I would surmise that our running game would be even better if we were not facing two touchdown deficits by halftime every game.

  • Sparks

    Warning – Not football related at all. I don’t care for the Holidays much. Never have. Part of that comes from decorating. I see this as nothing but a pain in the ass. Especially at Christmas time when my aging ass is hanging off a ladder and our roof to hang lights that I will be removing in a month’s time so my wife will be happy.

    This year, as we were shopping for more crap to put up, I stumbled across projection/laser lights. What a God send. We bought one projector that does these patterns of light for $20 on sale. The thing is remote control activated, runs on a timer and has several different settings to control the output. This last weekend, my neighbor and his wife spent their normal 8ish hours putting their display together. As dusk approached, I went out and spent about 42 seconds running a single extension cord and planting the projector in the ground. The thing lit up the house beautifully. My neighbor, begrudgingly, complimented the lights. I think I’ll get one more to have a stationary and a moving one. While it does lack the 3-D affect of some decorations, I’m OK with this loss of realism.

    If you struggle as I do this time of year with lights, I implore you to look into these things. I’m actually looking forward to spending about 2 minutes putting up the outside decorations this year.

    https://www.target.com/p/philips-christmas-red-and-green-laser-projector-with-remote/-/A-52379286#lnk=sametab

    https://www.target.com/c/christmas-lights-string/projector-lights/-/N-5xt2wZtd6m3#type=products&lnk=Projectors

    • ohiobronco
    • nycboes
    • Yahmule

      We put up Orange and Blue lights in December 2015 and didn’t pull them down until the second week of February. :~)

      • Sparks

        I looked for Orange and Blue ones and all they had were Christmas colors – Red and Green. Maybe I’ll search out on the internet.

        • Yahmule

          I have no idea where we bought ours. A couple bundles of them appeared on the kitchen table one day and my wife told me to get the ladder.

    • QDoc

      We did the same thing this year.

      I’m QDoc, and I endorse Sparks’ message.

    • Steven Searls

      We stopped putting up Xmas lights years ago. Bah humbug I say.

      • Sparks

        My pleas to stop this barbaric ritual fell on deaf ears as soon as our daughter was born.. Unfortunately having a 2 year old in the house lessens the validity of my arguments considerably. 🙂

      • Laces Out

        Christmas…fixed it for you

        • Dennis

          Xmas is fine.

          “Xmas” did not originate as a secular plan to “take the Christ out of Christmas”. X stands for the Greek letter Chi, the starting letter of Χριστός, or “Christ” in Greek. The use of the word “Xmas” in English can be traced to the year 1021 when “monks in Great Britain…used the X while transcribing classical manuscripts into Old English” in place of “Christ”. The Oxford English Dictionary’s “first recorded use of ‘Xmas’ for ‘Christmas’ dates back to 1551

          • Steven Searls

            What can I say, I’m lazy. 🙂

          • bradley

            You mean you don’t know Greek?

          • Dennis

            It’s my one man crusade to get the “You’re taking Christ out of Christmas” people to shut up.

          • Sparks
          • Dennis

            Lazy is fine!

          • Laces Out

            Haha

            Great research my man! Funny thing is I never saw it anywhere mentioned in the Bible. Just covered it a year-long study never did see it.

            When I meet the man I won’t have to justify any of that nonsense but thank you so much for the history behind it it’s very interesting

          • Dennis

            Thanks, feel free to use at your leisure.

      • cjfarls

        We just keep them up all year and don’t turn them on. 🙂

        • Sparks

          Oh, you're one of those people.

    • Jeremy

      Stay safe if you do put up lights. I had a math teacher in middle school who fell off his ladder or roof and was in a wheelchair for the rest of his life

      • G Mik

        That is awful. Life can be cruel and twisted.

    • Rob Rooney

      What game is Klee referring to?
      This week at Miami, TS threw 5 total passes before we were down a safety this week. When the early safety was scored there were 10 plays, 5 run and 5 pass. I guess you could say the safety was a pass play (though it was 3 and 10 at the DEN5).
      Looking at the plays here is the early breakdown – 7 runs, 10 passes with the 10th pass being the pick-six. So at this point the score was 16-3.
      The first drive after the pick-six was 5 plays, 3 run and 2 pass. So 22 plays, with 10 runs and 12 passes.
      After that it was very pass heavy.
      I don’t see that they abandoned the run before they got down by 2 scores.

      • Yahmule

        That sequence is kind of wrapped around the safety, I think. There’s a Booker carry in there, too.

        https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712030mia.htm#all_pbp

        • Rob Rooney

          Yeah, I see what he is saying. But the other side is CJ’s 5YPC is off of 4 carries for 21 yards (small sample size alert).
          I guess my point is that I don’t think the play-calling is the problem. Play execution is the big problem.

          • Yahmule

            Klee knows the way to get attention right now is to scream loudest about firing the coach. He’s a strange duck. Google “Paul Klee Tim Tebow” and you’ll see what I mean.

          • G Mik

            Lots of articles. I didn’t read through them but looks to me like a guy who knows and panders to his C Springs audience. What else should I have seen? (sometimes you have to spell stuff out for me – usually, actually).

          • Yahmule

            I think you nailed it. He panders to his audience and going all in on it being mostly Joseph’s fault will resonate with some people. But how creepy is it to still be putting Tebow in headlines about the Broncos in 2017?

  • Klis is the absolute worst, he has no shame…

    https://twitter.com/PetersenWill/status/937800724750020608

    • Steven Searls

      Klis surprised team has played poorly for a leader of men? Yes, those damn players not fighting hard enough to live up to the inspiration he brings them each and every day.

  • Nick

    Unlike yesterday’s Supreme Court argument, today’s has nothing to do with football, so be aware this is a purely political subthread. (Though it does have to do with Colorado.)

    The Masterpiece Cakeshop argument was today, and it sounds like Kennedy is going to lean toward the baker:

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/12/argument-analysis-conservative-majority-leaning-toward-ruling-colorado-baker/

    The main reason I’m posting this is that I feel like I owe a report on how things have clarified in my mind on this since we last talked about it (I’m struggling finding which day that is). An amicus brief by Dale Carpenter and Eugene Volokh, who are awesome on issues like this, helped me notice that a key fact is that baker refused to make any cake, even a generic one, and never addressed the question of decoration of the cake. Therefore, there should be no 1A free speech issues at hand in this case, and that should warrant a narrow ruling against the baker. I think one of you pointed this out to me before, but I didn’t note it fully–sorry about that.

    Here is that brief: http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/16-111_bsac_american_unity_fund.pdf

    • Hank Mardukis

      Siding with the baker will simply codify discrimination against the LGBTQ community for any sort of “firmly held religious beliefs” no matter how off the wall or insincere they are.

      • Nick

        Protection under the Free Exercise Clause is another beast altogether, and I strongly agree with you on that matter.

      • RSH

        There needs to be a narrowly tailored test created that balances both the interests of the LGBTQ community and business owners with sincerely held religious beliefs. I posted this excellent New Yorker article months ago in another Orange Overview. I highly recommend it. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/christian-bakers-gay-weddings-and-a-question-for-the-supreme-court

        • bradley

          “Excellent” “New Yorker article” is redundant.

      • G Mik

        On one hand I am disgusted by the discrimination, especially under the guise of religion (though it’s usually that or racism). On the other, I would expect for all decent people to simply stop spending their money at that place of business. Let their own discrimination be the reason for going out of business.

        • DragonPie

          Unfortunately, the bigots will simply throw money at them in order to spite the people that they’re harming.

    • JMac

      The baker refused to make any cake? I hadn’t heard that before, and completely changes the argument!

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      As an aside, before I knew anything about this place, my wife tried to get some Harry Potter cupcakes for our son’s birthday party there. They refused and said they don’t support witchcraft and sorcery, and my wife said “I just want a red and yellow scarf on some, a lightning bolt a some eyeglasses or something on the others.” But they refused. So she asked me what their problem was and I was like “Ohhhh, they’re Christian.” Lol.

      • Nick

        Thanks for reporting your first hand experience!

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          They’re definitely not afraid to turn away business.

          • More Cow Bell

            I know a guy who runs a vending business. Very upfront with his beliefs. Won’t sell Monster energy drink because of it’s “negative view”. Guy sure doesn’t mind profiting from everything else.

      • Hank Mardukis

        “Ohhh, they’re Christian.”

        Actually, just nuts.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Essentially the same when it’s this extreme.

        • Jason

          Unfortunately these kinds of people are often the first thing people think of in association with Christianity. In reality, there attitude is so contradictory to what Christianity really espouses it’s not even close.

          • bradley

            Their correct characterization is the Anti-Christ.

            Don’t they ever ask themselves how many people did Christ turn away?

          • Jason

            Unfortunately, I’m guessing they don’t or they wouldn’t act like it.

          • There is no Real Christianity. All Christians pick and choose what they follow from the Bible. These bakers just happen to have chosen some of the nastier parts to follow. But the fact is, most of the Bible is barbaric and discriminatory. Hats off to the Christians who can read it, believe it, and come out the other end good people.

          • Jason

            You are correct in that people can pick and choose anything they want, and don’t necessarily have to take things within proper context. However, if you are taking the teachings of Jesus and the Bible in proper context as they were written then no, you cannot justify nasty and discriminatory behavior towards others based on how you believe.

          • DragonPie

            I don’t know. I’ve read an awful lot of the Bible and some of it is just disgusting and inexcusable in my eyes if taken literally. If it is seen as merely inspired by God, but not his true views, I can understand that because then the parts where people were brutally stoned to death was a cultural practice, not something that god genuinely condoned, but the argument that God’s law changed and that new law was created through Jesus doesn’t hold any water with me because it meant that God at one point condoned it and actually enacted, vicious, cruel, brutal law for his people.

          • The teachings of Jesus state unequivocally to uphold all parts of the old law:

            “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

            “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” — Luke 16:17

            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” — Matthew 5:17

            Since the Old Testament explicitly states that homosexuality is a sin, if you follow Jesus’ teachings, you have to condemn the practice, right? Otherwise, you will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

            This talk of taking things in “proper context” is your way of saying that you pick and choose what you want to follow. Just like the bakers pick and choose what they want to follow. The obvious problem with all of this is that the Bible contradicts itself ceaselessly, so it’s literally impossible to follow the whole thing. But that’s the problem with a No True Scotsman argument when everyone has varying and valid interpretations.

          • Jason

            Fair points. I disagree the Bible ceaselessly contradicts itself, and I disagree with your perception of my statement of proper context.

            Recognizing homosexuality as a sin does not equate to ostracizing someone or discriminating against them. The bakers refusal to serve ANY cake at all is certainly not within the teachings of Jesus.

          • “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” — Leviticus 20:13

            You shouldn’t be baking cakes for gay men, you should be putting them to death. Remember, Jesus said, “whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.”

    • Jeremy

      Interesting. Very much contradicts what the owner said in this piece he wrote in the Denver post.

      http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/22/why-im-asking-the-u-s-supreme-court-to-protect-artistic-freedom/

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        He probably hadn’t lawyered up yet at that point, or they hadn’t formulated their argument yet.

  • Yahmule

    Tarik Cohen became first rookie since Gale Sayers in 1965 to score touchdowns rushing and receiving and on kick and punt returns. First player to do it since Terry Metcalf in 1975. This is some Joe Washington stuff, right here. Great call in the booth, too.

    December 3, 2017

  • Sparks

    This link has some nice footage of Jamal Carter proposing to his girl. Nothing like doing it in front of the entire family. Good thing she said yes.

    http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-squeeze/The-Squeeze-Broncos-send-their-thoughts-to-Steelers-Shazier/e9f9033d-e93d-4289-9e48-f39b7d5e7a1f

    • RSH
      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I hate the “we can’t turn the ball over” cliche. While it’s true that protecting the ball is important, so is getting first downs and scoring points in the red zone.

        • And so is finding a QB that doesn’t miss reads and throw it to the other team. Agreed, so generic and cliche to just say “can’t turn it over.”

          Overall, I get the feeling that he’ll give VJ another yr. with a different QB. Disappointing because just looks completely lost out there and has no answer or alternative approach to changing things.

          • Jason

            There are only so many ways you can try to reshape and disguise a pile of shit before you come to grips you still have…..a pile of shit.

          • Steven Searls

            Too much of an ego to admit he blew the coaching hire gives VJ a chance to inflict his leadership on the team for one more year.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            To me, where he may have lost the team seems to be on defense…

            The offense sucks, but we thought it might. With no oline and lousy QB play, that’s not surprising.

            The difference this year is that the defense does not appear as intense or focused as they have been in the past. Giving up long drives late in the game is a bad sign.

        • The Color Orange

          Exactly. Even if Siemian didn’t throw so many picks, he still wouldn’t be an NFL QB.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            He didn’t turn the ball over that often last year, but the offense was still stuck in the mud.

        • Jason

          Those are definitely good things

    • Hank Mardukis

      I have a hard time seeing Joseph as the head coach next season.

      • Laces Out

        Me too at this point, I really did think that the team would take a little time to gel but I don’t see them gelling at all or any time soon. That offense has to be one of the worst I’ve ever seen for the Broncos. I’m pretty sure Tebow could line up and beat these guys even if it was 3 to 2

        • RSH

          You better have a sure-fire, experienced head coach to come in and replace Joseph then, who can get immediate results. If that coach is brought in to rebuild, then what is the point in hiring him and paying the dismissed coach for another three seasons? Who that is currently or will be available this offseason meets that criteria?

          • Laces Out

            Who knows but one thing I noticed on your list is that none of them are first-year head coaches.

            Plus there’s a zillion coordinators.

            Munchak was getting a lot of recognition last night he might be a good guy to get behind for offense of line purposes

          • RSH

            I will come back here and eat crow if/when I am wrong, but I just do not see the Broncos going with a first-time NFL head coach if Vance Joseph is to be dismissed after getting only one season.

          • Laces Out

            Me either… my point is if we make a change it will be somebody who has experience for sure

          • Laces Out

            By the way did you hear they had a great practice today!?

          • RSH

            That’s definitely news to me seeing how the Broncos did not practice today. 🙂

          • Laces Out

            They did to…twitter just didnt tell u

          • RSH

            I am sure that the NFLPA will be all over it!

          • Sparks

            Sexy Rexy? 🙂

          • Yahmule

            Jim Harbaugh is literally the only name on that list that gives me the tiniest bit of optimism.

            The guy who was runner up for HC and DC in 2015 will wind up being head coach for less time than he was a candidate.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            His name has been mentioned before. What is the connection there?

          • Yahmule

            There was a lot of buzz about him being hired after McDaniels was canned, but ultimately ownership wasn’t interested in taking on a five year $25 million contract while there were still on the hook for several million to Shanahan and McDaniels.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Got it. I actual misread, and thought you meant John Harbaugh. There is the obvious Stanford / Quarterback connection with Jim. I have mixed feelings on him. I think he’s a great coach, but maybe only in 3-4 year doses. What he did in SF speaks for itself for his success at the pro level.

          • Yahmule

            He might be too hyper for Elway. To be honest, I think his sense of sportsmanship leaves a lot to be desired, but after three calm guys in the row, we might need someone to liven things up around here.

          • Sparks

            Not advocating for firing Joseph here but wanted your thoughts. Think the bridge is burned with Wade?

          • RSH

            I don’t think that Wade Phillips wants to be a head coach again. I am not sure that he would be the type of coach that this team needs, if the Broncos are replace Joseph. Being a disciplinarian is not really Wade’s forte.

          • BlackKnigh

            I believe Wade has said as much. I think he wanted to retire as a DC when he was here.

          • Jim Schwartz. Jim Harbaugh. As for the inexperienced, despite the colossal failure that the McDaniels ride was, I wouldn’t mind Matt Patricia. Seems like he’s got the right combination of general intelligence, football acumen, and swagger but none of the overt arrogance and dick-ness that McD has.

          • Yahmule

            Schwartz and Harbaugh are both assholes, but at least Harbaugh has had some success that wasn’t basically tied to salary drives by Albert Haynesworth and Marcel Dareus.

            Patricia is one of the coordinators I would like to see interviewed, but I’m not sure he would want to leave New England unless a real good fit is out there. I think the people who assume McDaniels will inherit Belichick’s job might be surprised if both of these guys are up for the position in a couple years.

          • I’d be absolutely shocked if Kraft turns it over to McDaniels. He knows McD’s strength is as an OC and keeps him around by making him think he’s in line to take over, but when the time comes I see little chance of it happening.

          • More Cow Bell

            What would the panel think of Gus Bradley? Sure, J-ville sucked, but the team & culture was there prior to him. Coughlin changed that.

          • RSH

            Gus Bradley is not a disciplinarian. IMHO, if the Broncos change head coaches, that is the type of head coach that they need.

          • We interviewed three candidates last offseason. Dave Toub didn’t receive any offer from a new team and remained KC’s ST coordinator.

          • RSH

            I am aware of that. My whole point is if the Broncos replace Joseph, it needs to be with an experienced NFL head coach, and the list of those available leaves much to be desired. I see no logic in going with another first time head coach to replace Joseph, who still has three years remaining on his contract after this season. Any would-be replacement for Joseph needs to be a slam dunk.

        • DragonPie

          Turns out McCoy wasn’t the problem.

          • RSH

            As James Carville once said, “it’s the quarterback(s), stupid!”

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            They can disguise a lot problems. How good of a coach do you think Mike McCarthy, or Tony Dungy would have been without Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning?

          • G Mik

            No but the more I thought about it you can’t blame the Broncos for making a change. As shitty as it was. But yes, it only took 2 weeks for total vindication. Of course there are a few painful weeks left and things may change again.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Elway failed at his first tank job in 2011 when he was trying to go all in on his college crush. He will not fail again.

          • Forrest Trump

            I don’t know what to root for the rest of the season: draft position or the reclaimation of some dignity.

          • Yahmule

            Blue chippers >>>>>>>Dignity.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I think we threw dignity out the window last week. I vote draft position.

  • DragonPie

    Anyway, the Broncos are last in DVOA now.

    • RSH

      There was much consternation about that in yesterday’s Orange Overview.

      • DragonPie

        Ah. I just checked the DVOA ratings on their site. Didn’t realize it had been stated yesterday.

        Not surprising.

    • Jeremy

      And Paxton Lynch has the lowest dvoa I’ve ever seen at – 197%. If anyone knows of a player who’s been lower I’d love to know

      • Sparks

        Just for giggles, what was Tebow at? Is that number available?

      • DragonPie

        Last year Siemian was at -7.1%. It doesn’t have this year’s total, but likely his “good” play will keep him from being anywhere close to that low. Part of Lynch’s low numbers is that he’s done it against a historically bad defense.

        • DragonPie

          Ok. I checked. Siemian is at -28.5% and Osweiler is at -21.1%.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Serious question – let’s say Mahomes is coming out this year. Would you prefer Mahomes, Rosen, Darnold, Jackson or Mayfield?

    • The 5th Amigo

      Jackson

    • Forrest Trump

      Exact reverse order. This week, at least.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Interesting! I feel like if anything Mayfield and Mahomes are the most similar comparisons (cowboys, high number guys in friendly college systems), although Mahomes has a stronger arm and is without character issues.

        • Forrest Trump

          I think Mayfield’s character issues are overblown. He plays with a chip on his shoulder, but he’s a rock star if ge’s bringing that attitude on behalf of our guys.

          I’ve been a big skeptic, actually. But he just keeps improving and he has a shit load of instinct and moxie. He just consistently finds plays and makes them, and he is money in big moments.

          I like all of them really. I think they all have a pretty good shot of panning out.

          I wont admit it on Mahommes, though. The asshole is a Chief.

    • Yahmule

      Mahomes has solid tools. I hope they retard his growth by making him ride pokey again next season.

  • Yahmule

    I love how mad people get at Bill Walton. I hope he keeps calling games until he’s older than Chick Hearn.

  • Yahmule

    Kiper top five quarterbacks: Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, Rudolph.

    McShay has the same top four and Falk fifth.

    Both straight up jacking it over Allen and his physical tools. Not a word about his accuracy issues. Talked about his shoulder and the guys who graduated from Wyoming and about how the all-star games and private workouts and Combine are a process that’s built perfectly for him to shine. Compared him glowingly to Ben Roethlisberger. Laughable when you look at Ben’s completion percentages @ Miami (OH).

    McShay giving Rosen the does-he-love-the-game/Jay Cutler double tap, but has him ranked number one.

    Mayfield is apparently running the streets like a wild man. Now, calls him a combination Russell Wilson/Johnny Manziel.

    I’m changing the channel now.

    • Forrest Trump

      It’ll stun me if anybody is making Manziel Mayfield comparisons in a year.

      • Yahmule

        It’s silly season already.