• Forrest Trump

    Figures in Elway’s weekly propaganda piece at the team site, he’d blow rainbows and lollipops up PL’s ass and call Justin Simmons the one defender that has ireally mpressed him.

    What a smug, delusional dick.

    • RSH

      Elway’s comments on Lynch are strange, but has Simmons not been impressive, particularly against the run? I am pleased with Simmons’s progression and projection.

      • Carsonic

        I don’t really thing Elway’s comments on Lynch are strange. I think he has a policy of being publicly supportive to his players, regardless. Maybe he’s called out a few stinkers in interviews before, but I can’t ever recall hearing him do so.

        • RSH

          I guess strange in the sense that Lynch did not play all that well. Definitely not strange in the sense of Elway’s course of dealing, as you pointed out.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          (Cough)..Soft….(cough)…

          • Carsonic

            Yeah, but nobody singled out, right?

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            What dude?! I’m just coughing, and shits getting weird “downstairs”. I guess you’re not the brother to talk to about stuff like that.

          • Carsonic

            (Dude, I know exactly what’s going on. I’m trying not to blow your cover and embarrass you!)

        • Royalwithcheese

          Elway has the cache to do and say whatever he wants. If he had something closer to, “I thought he had some nice throws, but I also thought he held onto the ball too long on some plays, and I’m sure Paxton would tell you that,” it would’ve been accurate but still fairly supportive.

          Maybe he’s trying to make up for the “soft” comments.

          • Carsonic

            You should ghost write for Elway! 🙂

          • Royalwithcheese

            Funny, that’s kinda what I do for a living (not for Elway).

        • Forrest Trump

          He saves that for his coaches. Remember, he doesn’t draft football players, he expects his coaches to whip up potions and wave magic wands.

      • Forrest Trump

        He has been a solid catch defender against the run. A disaster in all forms of coverage.

        There are a lot of other defenders I’d single out, but most aren’t Elway picks.

        • Sparks

          Denver Broncos starting defense last week.

          Derek WolfeDE / Kyle PekoDE / Brandon MarshallILB / Todd DavisILB / Shaquil BarrettSLB / Von MillerWLB / Aqib TalibLCB / Chris HarrisRCB / Justin SimmonsSS / Darian StewartFS / Bradley RobyDB

          All were signed or drafted by Elway. Which defender are you referring to that you’d single out that Elway was not directly responsible for them being here, either through draft or FA?

          Also, I don’t think Simmons has been a disaster at all in coverage. Do you have specific examples of coverage breakdowns that would lead you to believe he’s been a disaster in all forms of coverage?

          • Sparks

            Actually, taking a quick scan of our roster, there isn’t one defensive player that Elway did not have a hand in bringing to the team. Every single player on a defense that has been top 5 for 3 years straight is here because of Elway.
            You want to ding him for poor RT choices and some other poor roster moves (draft or FA) , OK, but please give him credit for building a top notch, sustained defense.

          • Jeremy

            Elway was here when they brought in every player on the roster with the exception of DT (who he tagged and resigned)

            On the super bowl roster, only other guys who were pre Elway were Clady (IR), Bruton (IR), and Colquitt. All three were resigned by Elway

          • BlackKnigh

            He has done a good job building this team – especially on Defense after the SB disaster against Seattle. However – when you play the in the SB without 5 of your defensive starters – you are looking at a very steep uphill battle. Adam Gase should have left Gibbs have his way and ran the hell out of the ball. Gase wanted to pass – and we saw how that turned out. Had they ran and ran and ran – that would have kept the Seattle offense off the field and given them a slim chance of winning. Denver’s defense did pretty well in the beginning of the game holding the seaturkeys to FGs.
            Elway vowed to build a great defense. He did. I ding him for neglecting the OL. Some of those were simply unfortunate things happening. However – he should have gotten better OL coaches. That would have helped. The guys there now are OK. Not the past 2 years.

  • ohiobronco

    Tonight we have the QBs-who-the-Broncos-left-on-the-board-for-Brock-and-Paxton Bowl on tap.

    • Jeremy

      Isn’t it fun to second guess with the benefit of hindsight?

      • ohiobronco

        Fun yet frustrating.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Or…The Denver Broncos new starting QB plays in one of his last 5 games for his former team, game?

      • ohiobronco

        That game has almost certainly occurred over the last couple weeks but we just don’t know which one it was.

  • bradley
    • BlackKnigh

      Thanks, Bradley. I wonder if Wolfe’s neck sprain has anything to do with the NS illness he had a few years ago. That was scary. Yeah – we may see DeMarcus Walker on the DL on Sunday.
      Unfortunately the local Fox affiliate will be airing an NFC game on Sunday – so I will listen to Dave Logan on KOA radio.

  • Nick
  • Rob Rooney

    Here is a link to PFF’s preview. From this it looks like Traylor is becoming the catching TE by a wide margin.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-week-13-preview-broncos-at-dolphins

    The Phins have given up 26 points or more in 6 straight games. Our Offense and their Defense might be able to answer the age-old question – what happens when a movable object meets a resistible force!

    • Sparks

      Thanks for linking this. My surprise takeaway from this is on Simmons. I know he’s played some solid ball this year but I had no idea he’s been as effective against the run as he has. 6th out of 84 safeties is pretty damn good. He’s so thin and lanky, I guess I didn’t see him as some stout run defender, but the dude is sneaky strong and tough as nails.

      • Yahmule

        He’s a superior athlete. He put up elite numbers in most of the Combine events. Only his 40 time was less than stellar. Which is why he lasted to pick 98.

        https://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/3/2/11147186/2016-nfl-scouting-combine-workout-results-defensive-backs

        • Sparks

          Totally agree. It’s one thing to be able to run and jump and something entirely different to play smashmouth, which is what I believe is needed to be a good run defender. Appears young Simmons has the ability to do both. Helluva consolation prize for losing JT. (A shout out to Nick for the compensatory pick knowledge 🙂 )

    • RSH

      As we have discussed the past few weeks, if Jake Butt develops as we hope and Traylor continues to be a pleasant surprise, we may have solved the tight end problem that has been plaguing this team’s offense.

      • Sparks

        It would be nice if we didn’t have to dip into the draft/FA pool for more TE help this offseason (unless it’s a late round selection or vet minimum type contract). We just have so many other holes to address first.

      • Yahmule

        There are some quality tight ends in this class. Nowhere near as good as last year and probably no first rounders, but the top five guys would make nice additions.

    • Royalwithcheese

      Was Traylor targeted last week? Not that I can remember, but I missed the fourth quarter.

      • Rob Rooney

        4 targets and 1 reception for 34 yards. Virgil was 3 targets with 1 catch for 16 yards.

        • Royalwithcheese

          Thanks.

  • RSH

    https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/936258012259418112

    The NFL is barreling toward a playoff picture that no one would’ve been able to imagine back in August. Entering Week 13, both the Packers (5-6) and Seahawks (7-4) are on the outside looking in. A postseason lacking Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson might seem shocking, but what’s more shocking may be the quarterbacks who are set to replace them in the NFC field. Jared Goff, Case Keenum, and Carson Wentz are all piloting teams in the mix for first-round byes, and each looks drastically different than he did in 2016.

    Coaching changes, personnel upgrades, and year-to-year development have all played a role in these quarterbacks’ respective transformations, and all have been cited in explaining the recent success of their teams. Yet among that jumble of factors exists one unifying thread that’s contributed to their breakouts: All three are among the league leaders in play-action rate. The use of play-action—and the effect it can have on an offense—has emerged as a central theme of the 2017 season, and nowhere has it been more evident than in the unexpected efficiency of the Rams, Vikings, and Eagles.

    Among quarterbacks who’ve played at least 75 percent of their team’s snaps this fall, Keenum leads the NFL in percentage of dropbacks to include play-action (28.7 percent), according to Pro Football Focus. Goff is second at 27.8 percent, and Wentz is fourth at 27.5. Last year, the Falcons’ Matt Ryan was the only passer with a percentage (27.6) in a similar range.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      It’s a pretty well known concept, and it makes perfect sense. Make their LB’s and DB’s hesitate for a millisecond and your world class athletes will have a jump on then. Of course it takes the right QB to make it happen, along with the run game being a realistic threat. I hope we sign Cousins, and go O-Line in draft.

      • RSH
        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          I like that. I like that.

        • Laces Out

          But he’s never made a dent in the division or playoffs…NEXT!

          • Sparks

            In all fairness, the one playoff game he’s played so far he went

            29-46 – 63.04% – 329 yds – 1 TD – 0 INT’s – 91.7 rating.

            They lost that game but it wasn’t because of Cousins play.

            The last 3 years (primarily his starting years) he’s averaged 281.8 yds, 1.76 TD’s and .67 INT’s per game, all while completing 67.8% of his passes. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss him from contention as a possible QB solution. Price may be an issue but any young QB running with these kind of stats won’t come cheap. He’s only 29 so, assuming no catastrophic kind of injury, he should be under center for a decade+.

            EDIT: If anything, he should be given extra credit to throw up these kind of numbers for a Daniel Snyder led team.

          • Laces Out

            Probably will be for a decade right in the middle of the pack getting paid while the frachise goes nowhere…i.e. Stafford, Romo, Tannehill, Dalton…

            Just dont win CHANPIONSHIPS

            You know..to be fair lolzzzzz

          • Sparks

            Teams win championships, not just QB’s. If you don’t believe me, go check out the QB stats for the Broncos 3 SB wins. 2 were subpar performances for a SB wining QB.
            IMO, Cousins is head and shoulders above Tannehill and Dalton so no real comparison there. Stafford is a good young QB that happens to have been saddled with the Detroit curse. They haven’t been successful at building a team around him. Stafford is not the reason that franchise is not more successful.
            Let me ask, what would you do to help remedy our QB situation?

          • Laces Out

            Draft QB Rd 1
            Cut losses on PL

            Sign Brees or Eli if possible
            TS re sign as back up

      • Royalwithcheese

        How does a Cousins-Nelson-McGlinchey trio strike you? Not too shabby. Only problem with that is that to sign Cousins they have to clear the deck completely: Talib, CJ, Watson, Stephenson, Kerr. Maybe Stewart, DT or Sanders.

        Still worth it?

        • RSH

          As much as I love both DT and Sanders, what is the point of having them both, if we do not have a quarterback who can consistently get them the ball by properly reading coverages and executing plays? I think that Sanders would be the more likely candidate to be cut, as the dead money hit would be less. https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/

          Stephenson needs to be cut regardless of who Denver’s quarterback is next season. I would miss Anderson’s candor and determination, and Talib’s superb coverage and game changing interceptions, but a price has to be paid to substantially upgrade the quarterback position. Watson will not be missed if cut.

          • Royalwithcheese

            There are pros and cons to both signing him and drafting a QB. The only tough cuts would be CJ and Talib. I think this defense would regress significantly without him. If they went in this direction, I would hope they would trade back to acquire another second- and third-round pick to fill the holes on offense and at ILB.

          • Laces Out

            When you have PMFM You damn well need em both

        • Laces Out

          Cousins sucks. Not even close to being worth the money he’ll get…

          • cjfarls

            Cousins is overrated/overpayed (He’s not a top-5 QB)… but he’s a perfectly capable starter (more like #8-12ish IMO). Cousins with talent around him will make your team a playoff competitor. Such folks are gonna get $25m/year. He’s not a HOFer, but few folks are.

            For a quick and relatively surefire upgrade at QB, I don’t know that there are any better options available (I’m guessing Brees is going nowhere).

            Long-term, such a deal might look a lot like Dalton’s deal… seems pricey at first, but becomes much more palatable overtime… while also being high-enough/overpaid enough that us fans can whine about why we didn’t draft a superstar.

          • Laces Out

            Anybody who thinks Elway will break the bank for cousins is f****** high dude

            I feel bad for teams like Cincinnati, they think they found their quarterback they give them all the money and then you find out he sucks in the clutch. Potential being the keyword in quarterbacks is a franchise killer

        • Sparks

          Would they have to clear the deck completely for Cousins? Right now they are scheduled to have ~$32M in cap space in 2018. Looking at Stafford’s, Luck’s and Carr’s numbers, they are scheduled to be in the $25M cap hit range next year. I use these three as I believe they are scheduled to be the highest paid QB’s in the NFL. I assume Cousins could be had for a similar deal. Even if they made no changes, that would still leave them with some cap room, albeit small. Moving on from Watson, CJ and DStew would save an additional $10.9M of cap savings. It would come at cash price of $6.86M however, assuming I’m reading OTC right.

          I might have some fallacies in my thinking here that Nick or someone could clear up for me, but I think a deal for Cousins in the $25M range could fit into our cap with minimal casualties to existing staff.

          Now, the question is…is Cousins worth ~$25M APY?

          https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos

          • Royalwithcheese

            From what I understand, the rookie class will cost about $11.5M along. I think that ERFAs and the tenders to both Paradis and Shaq will cost another $10.5 or so. That basically leaves them with $10M, before factoring in futures contracts (no idea how much those cost, but very little). That’s why Watson, Stephenson, CJ and Talib would have to go.

          • Sparks

            Good points. I didn’t think about the ERFA’s. Will that really be around $10M? I have no qualms moving on from Watson. I’ve said my piece about moving on from CJ that last 2 days. 🙂 As Nick noted above, Stephenson 2018 year automatically voids, so easy split there. Talib is the tough one. I think his play has slipped some this year, but he’s still very much a top flight corner and brings a lot to the defense. The sting of that loss and the drop-off from him to Roby would sure be lessened though with a top QB. Moving on from PL and DStew would help, but it wouldn’t account for a Talib saving’s.

          • Nick

            Only way to move on from Lynch without incurring a cap hit in 2018 is to trade him, due to future guaranteed money.

          • Sparks

            Yes, I got that from OTC actually. 🙂 I don’t know if you saw it but I edited my original comment to include looking for a trade partner, even if for a low pick for PL.

          • Nick

            Disqus is like Twitter: people are only going to see the original fuckup and then react to it, rightly or wrongly. Whenever I fuck up I try to get in the habit of issuing a correction in a second comment instead of editing the first one.

          • Nick

            ERFA tenders will get the Broncos close to 51 on the roster, so ignore those to get to the effective cap space of ~$27M.

            2nd round RFA tenders on Paradis & Shaq and a ROFR on Bennie Fowler (at least that’s what I’d do) should take off about another $8M..

          • Nick

            Here’s the deal: you can squeeze almost anyone into the cap if you try hard enough. The Broncos have exceptional flexibility in this regard, as they haven’t done many restructures and other creative methods to get cap space in the present. 2019 presents a bit of tightness but can be navigated around, 2020 is wide open (but they also have a lot of pending UFAs then).

            I’ll write a more detailed article on this in the offseason, but the TL;DR for now is that the Broncos absolutely can sign a QB at a premium price if they want to.

          • Sparks

            Thanks Nick.

    • Yahmule

      If I owned an NFL team – and I never will because my admittedly under market bids never even receive the simple common courtesy of a formal rejection – I would hire Boomer Esiason to come to camp and work with my quarterbacks on ball fakes for a week.

      • JMac

        I think you posted a youtube video of him doing it a while ago, it was phenomenal! I’m going to see if I can look it up again.

        • RSH

          Absolute thing of beauty—both Esiason’s hair flowing out of his helmet and the play action fake.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uWlFdXC8v8

          • JMac

            I was just coming back to post that!

            Did you notice in the first few moments, he had 89 yards passing and 3 TDs (before this play). That’s implies a running game that will help you sell the fake.

          • Paco Alonzo

            That was the 1st thing I seen. Thought must be a hulleva run game.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            Gotta love the classic Madden analysis here:

            Yeah, the Tibia IS a bone, it’s above the ankle and below the knee, it’s that bone between the ankle and the knee”.

          • RSH

            I thought the same thing. 🙂 It’s a bone, and it’s connected to that uh, other bone. BOOM!

          • BlackKnigh

            This was great! Esiason was a southpaw and he handled that fake with both hands really well. His left hand on top of the ball – and still was able to hide it.

      • Sparks

        You know, if we passed the proverbial hat around In Thin Air, it would still be woefully under market, but at least a more respectable woeful under market amount.

        • Carsonic

          Let’s seeee…. I’ve got… a toothpick… a hairband… a movie ticket stub…. aaaaaand 48 cents in change from under this couch cushion. C’mon, guys, join in! We can do this!

          • Sparks

            A hairband? Goddamn hippie!

          • Carsonic

            I LIVE WITH 4 FEMALES!!!!

          • Carsonic

            Also, I embrace the hippie label, but it don’t show. I only WISH I had enough of my own – or could afford to purchase new – hair with which to utilize a hairband.

          • Sparks

            My heartfelt condolences. 🙂

          • BlackKnigh

            Do you ever get to use the bathroom? Or do you have more than 1 at your house?

      • Brady and Rodgers do it extremely well… it’s such an underrated skill that can get you a nice adv. Siemian is very bad at it… sometimes he fakes to the wrong side.

    • Yahmule

      Mariota is first in QB rating off play action @ 132.8 and 29th overall @ 79.1. Mularkey is the worst.

      https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/11/28/16708460/fantasy-playbook-marcus-mariota-struggles

  • RSH

    It looks like In-N-Out Burger is coming to Colorado.

    https://twitter.com/AlbusBrooksD9/status/936274667345674240

    • Tyler

      Colorado Springs? That’s not worth the drive. I’d do anywhere in the Denver metro area.

      • RSH

        My guess is that it was cheaper for In-N-Out Burger to establish its distribution center in Colorado Springs, with restaurants in the Denver area to be constructed later.

      • Sparks

        Never been to one but living in COS, I’ll give it a go at least once.

    • Dennis

      In-N-Out is the most over-rated burger joint in history.

      • Nick

        I join the opinion of my Brother Dennis.

      • Tyler

        I’ve had better burgers sure. No other fast food burger is even close.

        • Dennis

          Five Guys is way better.

          • Tyler

            Even though I’m a big fan of five guys I think we’ll have to agree to disagree here.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            The burgers are marginally better but there’s no sense in even comparing the frys. In and Out frys are nothing special; I feel like i’ve had exactly the same fry at just about every other fast food place. Five Guys’ fries are insanely delicious.

          • Jason

            Love Five Guys. I stop at the one in Missoula every time through.

      • Yahmule

        I haven’t had any beef in many years, but they were the best fast food burger, IMO. The ingredients were always really fresh, too. Worst fries ever.

        • Nick

          I very rarely eat beef myself, I reserve it only for special occasions. This may be another reason why I personally think In-N-Out is overrated, as from what I recall beef is the only meat they sell.

          • Laces Out

            For the record…Beef its whats for dinner.

      • Laces Out

        By far and away

  • RSH

    https://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/936263713337769985

    Miller still Miller. Following the Broncos’ loss at Oakland last Sunday, outside linebacker Von Miller admitted he was frustrated by the team’s losing streak and in large part because he felt he entered the year in the best shape of his life and has been unable to fully take advantage of it.

    But Miller’s numbers show he’s actually playing quite well. His team-high 8.5 sacks put him on pace for 12 on the season, more than his total (11) in the Broncos’ 2015 Super Bowl season. And when taken into context, he’s produced more while facing more hurdles. Per Pro Football Focus, Miller has been chipped or blocked by a running back or tight end before they release into their routes, 40 times through last Sunday, the third-most of any defender in the league in that span. Yet he leads all 3-4 outside linebackers with 54 pressures (sacks, hits and hurries combined).

    • Yahmule

      Von is acutely aware that these last two seasons were a waste of his prime years. He’s been pretty candid about that in interviews.

      • RSH

        Another reason that I think that we need to get an established veteran quarterback this offseason to be the starter.

        • ohiobronco

          If the right veteran QB is available I am very open minded to that. However, I do not think “wasting Von’s prime years” should be a big factor in the decision. He’s been Super Bowl MVP and even in down team years he continues to build on his HOF numbers. Realistically he has probably already had his best year. If the best option for sustained long term success is drafting a young guy and enduring his early struggles, that’s what they should do. I would rather have a 10 year window that a 2 year window.

          • BlackKnigh

            I would love to see a veteran QB coming to Denver. Even if he is an old guy. The NY Giants in the 1950’s and 60’s used to do this to their advantage. Charley Conerly was one. YA Tittle another. They picked up Fran Tarkenton – but that didn’t work out so well. Possibly because Tarkenton was better on the run than in the pocket.
            If Denver brought a good veteran QB to town – they could use 2 of the 3 first picks for improvements along their OL. The other on a QB who can develop in 2 years. That was probably the thinking of Osweiler. Didn’t work out – nor did Lynch so far. The ILB needs attention – but one of our 3rd round picks could be used for that. We need to build some depth on this team.

        • Yahmule

          My attitude has flipped entirely. I was against pursuing Brees before because I didn’t want to have to replace another old guy right away. Now I would be thrilled to have an even older Brees, not to mention some vets who are not nearly as good.

      • Jeremy

        Is this normal rhetoric for guys on bad teams? Is this what Watt said the years they struggled?

        • Yahmule

          Probably tastes worse when you’ve actually led a half great team to a championship.

        • Steven_Searls

          Watt never had a team that was worth anything. And with his injury history he may never. Von got PMFM for 4 years. One can see how that might change your attitude about wasted years.

      • Nick

        I’m curious as to what the definition of a “wasted” year is. 31 teams and around 1700 players are going to consider a season a “waste” when they don’t win the Super Bowl. Does making or at least contending for the playoffs qualify? Is at least one playoff win required?

        • Yahmule

          I think the baseline any player wants is to play for a team that’s in contention for the post season.

          • Nick

            So this would be the first wasted season for everyone on the Broncos except for DT, then. (I think DT is the only McDaniels era player left now.) Six out of seven ain’t bad.

          • Yahmule

            Hey, take it up with the franchise player. :~) He doesn’t like the trend he’s seeing and it’s not affecting his play on the field, but it does prey upon his mind.

          • Nick

            Right, that wasn’t directed at you or even Von for that matter. More so to the pundits who are throwing out the “Elway is wasting this and that!” comments without much perspective or a firm idea of what they mean by that.

          • Yahmule

            I hear you. John’s in a tough spot, even if some of it was self inflicted. He wants to be proactive, but instead he’s coming off as impatient and quick on the trigger. You can’t be quick to change coaches and philosophies while you’re drafting players at key positions who are projects, which we walked into with our eyes wide open when we picked Paxton.

            In Von’s case, I can see why this bothers him because he’s proven that if we can just get into the tournament, he can put the team on his back.

          • BlackKnigh

            He is missing Demarcus Ware big time. Those 2 plus the pass rush that Denver had in 2015 and parts of last season put Miller in a position to succeed almost every time. Neither Ray or Barrett has matched the output or experience of Ware. They are still young though. Try to replace a Hall of Fame talent!

    • gobroncos

      That’s quite the flu bug if Peko has to be carted off the field like that.

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      It’s hard. My mom is 83 and she had a health scare a few months back, but everything turned out okay. In a couple months, it will be 20 years since I lost my dad.

    • Steven_Searls

      Very sorry to hear this. Very very sorry.

  • Nick

    Another cleanup note I forgot to mention earlier: I can confirm that Stephenson’s 2018 year will automatically void. So we don’t have to have any discussions on whether or not he should be cut because that decision’s been superseded. Unfortunately, contract renegotiations that create automatic voids don’t count toward comp picks even if the player is otherwise considered a UFA.

  • Yahmule
  • The Color Orange
    • RSH

      Will this finally mean an extended look for Connor McGovern at guard?

      • Sparks

        Maybe. Do you think they’d slide Barbre inside and put Kouandjio/Wilkinson/Stephenson at RT?

        • RSH

          I’d rather see Garcia or McGovern get the last five games at left guard and Kouandijo and/or Wilkinson at RT. I would go with McGovern at right guard until Leary is healthy enough to play again.

          • Sparks

            I agree on McGovern. He’s on a long list of “we should see what we got in him” players. So, in your scenario, Barbre is benched? I can see that. The guy will be 34 and 11 years in the league next year. There’s a very slim chance he’ll ever be more than what he is.

          • RSH

            Yes. We know who Barbre is at this point, and he is not part of the long-term solution on our offensive line.

          • Sparks

            Although, you know the old saying – the biggest leap in an OL’s growth occurs between years 10 and 11. 🙂

          • RSH

            LOL!

        • RSH
          • Sparks

            Probably going to leave Barbre at RT then.

          • Rob Rooney

            This may also explain why he had some issues playing against the Raiders. That wasn’t his best game.

    • cjfarls

      Poor TS… we’re going to kill that kid.

    • Jeremy

      Good news for comp picks.

      • Royalwithcheese

        I encourage Leary to rest that back for a week or two. 😉

    • CFD1983

      Cutting RG Schofield who only gave up .5 (half a sack last year) hurts more and more as the season goes on…

      • BlackKnigh

        Spot on!!

  • RSH

    Does the NFL even critically review film before levying fines? My goodness.

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/936342502549999616

    • Laces Out

      Theyre very CYA so though its NOT warranted…they probably feared the pub of not fining him…thats the social media PC effect…no blunt honesty allowed

    • Tyler

      The hell? Do they even watch the play before handing out these fines?

  • Nick

    I wouldn’t mind Gordon having a big day after the Chargers got gifted a W via the Peterman Experiment.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/936370881089110017

    • Sparks

      Read that a little fast and it came across as Commissioner Gordon. What the hell does Batman have to do with this?

  • Yahmule

    It really feels to me like the Giants are starting Geno because they want to make sure they stay ahead of the Broncos on draft day. If we finish with the same record, we’ll pick ahead of them based on strength of schedule.

    • Sparks

      Does head-to-head results come first in the tie-breaker order?

      • Nick

        No.

    • ohiobronco
      • Yahmule

        Go Geno! Four of their five games are winnable and they face some fairly pedestrian secondaries. I still think he’s bad, though.

        • gobroncos

          Some would have said that about the Broncos….(sigh)….

    • Laces Out

      I know I’m expecting them to bench their whole team just to see what they have I mean this is training camp right? I think the theory is that ever since McAdoo has been slick combing his hair back the Giants have fuckin sucked. I’m pretty sure they have a confidence ego problem

      • RSH

        The team took one look at McHairAdoo’s new coiffure and preceded to throw in the towel at that very moment.

        • Laces Out

          I mean it’s simple as that. Did you ever see his hairdo before that when he was the offensive coordinator he looked like a third grader. Then he shows up all Marshall beat your ass house and starts barking at everybody and pretending like he’s Tom Coughlin. Unfortunately Tom Coughlin earned the right to act like that with results

          • RSH

            He really needs to find a cap.

          • Laces Out

            Wouldn’t that be f****** awe inspiring if he showed up with a big giant blue make the Giants great again cap?!

          • RSH

            Literal LOL!

  • Jeremy

    “Broncos coach Vance Joseph says winning more important than evaluating younger talent”
    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/30/broncos-vance-joseph-darian-stewart-fined-injuries/

    I know it’s trendy to say tank and evaluate future talent, but Joseph isn’t buying it. I do believe a competitive and winning culture isn’t something you can turn on and off, and these three factors (maintaining culture/moral, evaluating future talent, and improving your draft position) have to be done balanced very carefully.

    • RSH

      I do agree with the general premise, but we do need to get some of these younger players game repetitions to evaluate and build for the future.

      • Jeremy

        Fans have essentially nothing to evaluate players on except for game time, while that is not the case with coaches. I think for that reason fans overestimate the value in playing younger guys for evaluation.

        I agree it’s important, but it’s not the only factor.

        • RSH

          IMHO, with the limited number of practices, and contact the allowed at practices under the current CBA, game evaluation and experience is more crucial than ever for younger players.

          • Yahmule

            I don’t think there’s any substitute for game speed. Not even preseason action.

          • Laces Out

            No these guys are there 80 hours a week come on they know what they have on their team. When they’re making big switches like that and playing younger guys they’re doing everything they can desperately do to keep their f****** job and just get a w

        • BlackKnigh

          I think that any player drafted in the 1st 3 to 4 rounds should be pushing for playing time by the middle of the season. This comes from a good experience in the OTA’s and TC. Then when the season begins – the scrimmages should help and finally work into some time on the field – until they are really pushing for playing time. This varies with each player – as some are not physically ready for that – but these guys need to be more ready to play.

      • Laces Out

        That’s what training camp in all the offseason is for. If you have to find out what you have in your team in the middle of the Season then you failed training camp. F give them an F

      • cjfarls

        I think its both. If we’re at where we are, its because by definition the vets having been getting the job done. IN AN ATTEMPT TO WIN, I don’t think its unreasonable to give the younger players some snaps to see if they can do better. The point isn’t to give them developmental reps…. its to see if they are good enough to be BETTER than the losing vets in front of them.

        I absolutely do not believe in “tanking”, and if the team is not trying to win, the franchise should be cleansed with fire. That is how you become the Browns or LOLJets.

    • ohiobronco

      No question that from Joseph’s perspective the goal is to win the game. A high draft pick does not benefit him if he is not around to exersize it. If he doesn’t at the very least start putting out a competitive product there is a good chance he won’t. He is being evaluated too.

    • gobroncos

      I should say that when I watch the games, I want them to win. I want them to play well. I want them to beat their opponent on every play. Even if, in the back of my mind, I know it’s probably better if they lose for draft purposes, I still want them to win. But when the game is over if they did lose, my consolation is that it’s probably better for the team’s draft ranking.

  • Nick

    We just had an “everyone but the center” false start in WAS/DAL. I love that call, especially since it’s actually the center’s fault when that happens.

    • ohiobronco

      I would guess that the technically correct thing would be to either pick a number at random or just say “false start offense”. Nothing wrong with a touch of snark though. I wonder if the official staticicians study the film to assign the penalty to the first guy.

      • Nick

        I would say, “False start, offense, [number of the center] failed to timely snap the ball” and charge the penalty to the center.

        • Jeremy

          Nick for referee.

          • Nick

            Some time in the offseason I’m going to go all George Carlin in calling out some poor English that’s long bugged me in football.

        • ohiobronco

          Of only the world was that fair and logical.

  • Yahmule

    One thing that’s very impressive about Kirk Cousins is the way he’s handled adversity this season. Washington has been besieged by injuries like no other team and Kirk continues to put up solid games. He really hasn’t played poorly in a game yet this season, although he’s scuffling tonight with another offensive lineman cut down, but there’s also still a lot of football left in this game.

    He’s been sacked more than any QB than Brissett, Stafford and McCown this season, but he’s posting his lowest interception percentage and best Y/A.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP7VTiaU8AAjvKc.jpg

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2017.htm

    • Laces Out

      Don’t you think he should take credit for some of those sacks?

      • Yahmule

        His sack rate in 2015 was .047.
        His sack rate last year was .037.
        This year, behind 21 different offensive line combinations, his sack rate is .082.

        But he’s also willing to take hits to be one of the most effective passers in the NFL on passes more than 20 yards downfield (rating is 121.5 this year and 118.1 last year), which means taking a lot of hits. He’s never missed a start to injury, though.

        https://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/28/14579254/kirk-cousins-franchise-tag-free-agency-long-term-contract

        • Laces Out

          Hes tough…and wow where do you find all that shit…my take? You cant put a game on him to win it…yet. when I see that I would see all the rage but he was slighted by being QB2 Shanahan drafted and that worked to his benefit in every way..hes sort of maxing out his time in Wash and I bet hes a Jaguar next yr. Then yoy can pull for him there with all 11 1st rounders they jave on D

          • Yahmule

            I divided his interceptions by his pass attempts. The other stuff is in the article I linked.

            I think the way he handled himself during the whole RGIII drama was commendable. Especially when he subbed for an injured Griffen and won a game and his dickbag owner pointedly ignored him in the locker room after the game. Nothing seems to shake him up.

          • Laces Out

            Yeah he definitely has some poise and you just seems like real good person… I know bunch of dudes around here rooting for him to get signed by Denver but I just think that’s a long shot and I think it’ll be for our benefit in the long run as well

  • Yahmule

    Well, there goes Ryan Switzer.

    • Laces Out

      That dude has chance every ball. Denvers returners however have one goal in mind and that one is one goal only and that would be catch the f****** ball

  • RSH

    Washington is playing like the Broncos tonight—turnovers and special teams blunders galore.

    • Nick

      I was thinking Super Bowl XLVIII: about everything that can go wrong is for the Redskins right now.

      • Yahmule

        They may have caught a break there.

  • gobroncos

    Well, Cousins certainly isn’t wowing me tonight. Don’t watch him play very often, but this is terrible. Sure, the pic wasn’t his fault, but still. This team is playing like dogshit.

    • RagnarRagnarsson

      I would like to see him in orange and blue, but he is going to get A LOOOOOT of money. Not sure if the Broncos can afford the $$$$. The dude competes

    • Laces Out

      but in garbage time he comes alive

  • Yahmule

    Dak is gutting it out with a swollen mitt.

  • Yahmule

    Settle down, you guys. Dez is averaging fewer than 11 yards per reception and he has a coin flip catch rate.

  • RSH

    Helluva drive engineered just now by Cousins.

    • Yahmule

      Cousins – Nelson – Vea

      • RagnarRagnarsson

        Then we are back in business… as long as we get a real coaching staff

  • Yahmule

    Nick, or anyone, what would it cost Washington to franchise Cousins again? Is it completely prohibitive?

    • RagnarRagnarsson

      prohibitive– $34.5m to franchise. $28.7 to transition tag

      • Nick

        They have the room to do it, question is whether they want to keep digging themselves a deeper hole.

      • Laces Out

        Sweet name btw…take the hill!!

    • Laces Out

      Hes on the market…no brainer

  • Laces Out
    • Yahmule

      Ugh. Clicked on a Mushnick article and actually read some of it. Who knows why.

  • BlackKnigh

    I talked to my Miami Dolphin fan neighbor today. I asked him which of our teams would suck the most on Sunday.
    He was laughing at a tweet by Adam Schlefter about Miami being one of the teams wanting Eli Manning next season….

    • ohiobronco

      We have a movable object meeting a resistible force.