• QDoc

    I’m guessing Eli was discussed yesterday, so apologies in advance if I am completely restating someone. But waking up and seeing the Eli news (and interview):
    – What a shitty way to treat the guy
    – What a great way to lose a locker room, Ben McAdoo
    – Geno? Really? Davis Webb, okay, maybe. Lost season, see what you might have. But Geno?

    • Nick

      Most of this is a restatement. It’s also an entirely appropriate restatement.

    • ohiobronco

      Eli has been voted one of the most overrated players in the league by players at large. However, judging by the reaction yesterday, he is also highly respected by teammates.

      • T. Jensen

        He’s definitely more of a “game manager” than a super star but there have been few better game managers.

      • cjfarls

        Eli does all the little things right. Gets his team into the right plays, handles the lockerroom, etc… he learned well from his Dad and brother. The thing he didn’t have is their after snap processing and accuracy. But he’s a player that made his team better, even if his own performance was mediocre in many cases.

    • RSH
  • RSH
    • Carsonic

      Interesting that this was handled internally, rather than the victim first going public.

      • Sparks

        Agreed. Had he been on another network, I’m pretty sure they would have leaked the story first thing in the name of journalism.

        • MattR

          Apparently NBC knew that Variety was close to running a piece on misconduct allegations against Lauer.

          • Yahmule

            Another creepy thing is how badly that guy aged. Meanwhile they fired every woman on that show for daring to look like they weren’t in college anymore.

      • Lonestar47

        apparently the victim showed up with her attorney Monday, which means they had him over the barrel and from what I’d guess he admitted to the charges. It apparently happened during the last Olympic games in Sochi last year.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Wow. Who’s next? Who will be left? Fingers crossed for Dr Phil.

      • T. Jensen

        fingers crossed he’s next or left?

      • Nick

        One has to think that there are enough degenerate gamblers out there that have started a sexual misconduct version of a dead pool.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          The morale of creepy men with “Power” must be at an all time low. To be fair, what did everybody think was going on in Hollywood?

      • Yahmule

        Dr Oz would be fine with me, too.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          My Dad, and I had a conversation the other night about all of the sexual misconduct allegations, and he seems to think Michael Strahan is next. I told him he is nuts, and Strahan is the nicest guy on television.

          • Nick

            It would not surprise me if the NFL goes through a moment of purgatory like we’re seeing in other industries right now.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            yeah, but so was Bill Cosby… you simply can’t tell from our perspective.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            J-E-L-L-Ohhhhh Noooo!!!

    • As MattR mentioned in this thread, Variety is reported to have a piece coming about Lauer in which there are multiple accusers of sexual misconduct, beyond the one reported to NBC News management.

      I think we’re going to find that the “moment of reckoning” with regards to sexual harassment is misconduct is going to be just about every single entity out there, be it related to politics, business, entertainment or anything else, for two reasons.

      1. The obvious one: Treating women like this has got to stop and people need to quit making any excuse for it.
      2. The one underneath the surface: A reminder of the old adage that “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

      • Carsonic

        I firmly believe that your 2nd point, along with “Love of money is the root of all evil” describe the underpinnings for most of what’s wrong with our society.

        • Yahmule

          “When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.”

          ~J Hendrix

          • VonSwenson

            “With the power of soul, anything is possible.”

          • Yahmule

            “With the power of you
            Anything you want to do”

          • VonSwenson

            Love that Buddy Miles influence!

      • Lonestar47

        the moral disbelief of his co anchors this morning is at best laughable.

        I’d bet Most of them have had a pat on the butt, or a casual brush on their body over the years “when it was acceptable behavior”. Perhaps not acceptable, but practiced with regularity.

        I doubt there is a single male in particular in a position of power over the age of 40 that has not had at least one encounter that today would be out of bounds.

  • Nick

    Unless you’re Bobby Petrino, of course.

    https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/935891313928663042

  • ohiobronco
    • Sparks

      Thanks for linking this. So we basically already have an Eli on the roster and a much reduced price.

      • VonSwenson

        And with some potential upside.

    • JMac

      It looks like TS takes a LOT more sacks, but outside of that they are really similar!

      • DCJ1

        He also runs for more yards.

        • Nick

          Siemian does have some underrated mobility. He needs to learn to slide more, though–he doesn’t have the body to take on defenders otherwise.

          • ohiobronco

            He had some success early in the season with his legs then he went to the well too often. He then adjusted to just tossing up balls which wasn’t a great alternative.

      • ohiobronco

        That is true and it shows up in better NY/A and ANY/A for Eli. Eli has a career sack rate of 4.7 vs. 7.0 for Trevor. I do think Eli has a slight tendency to throw balls up to avoid hits and sacks which helps his longevity and durability at the expense of his INT rate.

  • bradley

    Vinnie Iyers Pick:

    Denver Broncos at Miami Dolphins (pick ‘em)
    Sunday, 1 p.m., FOX

    The Broncos should be having major regrets about their hiring of former Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph as head coach. The team is lost on offense, is losing it on defense and is undisciplined overall. Now Denver realizes Trevor Siemian was its best of bad QB options. Miami has been confused with Adam Gase, too, but he’ll out-coach his former assistant and watch his defense overachieve to end a skid.

    PICK: Dolphins win 17-13.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/week-13-nfl-picks-predictions-point-spreads-odds-lines-eagles-seahawks-falcons-vikings/1pyrfkthpr3m81j9igdewhcsmc

  • The Color Orange

    Yesterday someone asked Cecil Lammey on Twitter if he thought the Broncos would consider Saquon Barkley with their first pick. His response:
    “Supreme talent but they love Booker. RB later in the draft.”

    • Nick

      I’d be extremely disappointed if they drafted a RB in the first two days, and maybe if they drafted a RB period. The CJ/Booker/Henderson combo isn’t great, but they have a much bigger fish to fry.

      • ohiobronco

        What if they were able to pull a Zeke/Dak but without the crimes and lawsuits?

        • Nick

          They need to bolster the OL much more. Dallas was able to get away with taking Zeke 4th overall because they already did that.

          • ohiobronco

            That is true, they would need to get to at least a level of baseline competence in free agency to be able to do that. Pulling an AJ/Andy would be another analogy.

          • Nick

            We’re a long way off before we can truly know whether this strategy is viable or needed, though. First we have to see who’s available in free agency and how that turns out. Then we have to see what consensus forms on when each QB is expected to be drafted. It would be nice if this could be pulled off, but we need to learn more.

          • ohiobronco

            That is true. Also, the coming out decisions and all star games/combine will alter the picture before the start of FA.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Sorry, AJ/Andy?

          • Nick

            AJ Green and Andy Dalton in 2011.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Ah, thanks.

          • Yahmule

            I dont think we’re that deep @ RB. It remains to be seen if the small school sixth rounder can get over his fumbling issues. If he can’t, we are one injury away from having one healthy rotational back and Booker has Tatum Bell Disease. Symptoms include running straight at the nearest defender when you sense daylight and not being that good at football.

          • Nick

            I don’t think the depth is great either. I just think there are higher priorities.

          • Laces Out

            Nailed it. Runs straight into tacklers

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I think the disease is still in the infancy stages. One he starts fumbling in crucial moments, the disease will be full blown.

          • Yahmule

            You don’t want him around your luggage during the dreaded final stages.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I heard that he was fired from the T-Mobile mall kiosk for fumbling a cell phone, and cracking the screen.

          • Sparks

            I’m not a Tatum Bell apologist at all but check out the career stats for these two players. Oddly similar except one had a 1025 yard season and another season at 921 yds. 🙂

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BellTa00.htm

            https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeC.00.htm

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I was pretty high on Tatum when he first showed up. Explosive. The 10 fumbles (5 in one season) was the killer.

          • Sparks

            Those were brutal for sure.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            My jersey is nestled nicely next to my M.Anderson, and C.Portis in the back of my “Bronco closet” in the RB section. #DontJudge

          • Sparks

            I gotta ask, how many jersey’s do you have? And are they grouped by positional group, era, favorites or some other sorting criteria?

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Oh Boy…. I’ll have to get back to you later tonight. My wife has been chomping at the bit to toss some in the donation box, but I’ve continually shown resistance.

          • Sparks

            Don’t you dare let your Tatum jersey go!

          • Lonestar47

            It took someone smarter than Jerry to make all of those HIGH picks on the OL over a period of 3-4 years the use of a fourth to pick up their latest “first rounder” in the supplemental draft was stroke of genius.
            Turning this “MASH UNIT” of an OL, is going to take either money in FA or discipline on draft day for several years.

            Perhaps their best option is to hire the best OL coach in the league as an assistant HC.

          • Steven_Searls

            We certainly could use better O-line coaching.

      • Yahmule

        I would be kind of sad if we don’t get one before round four is over. We still need playmakers.

        • Laces Out

          Exactly no game changer at the position

    • I don’t get the love for Booker. He’s a drive killer.

      • The Color Orange

        And certainly no reason to pass on a generational talent like Saquon Barkley.

        • VonSwenson

          Do you remember the hype for Trent RIchardson when he came up? “Safest pick in the draft”.

          • T. Jensen

            He also had a pretty good rookie year (especially considering he was in Cleveland). Many people thought the browns were crazy for trading him.

      • RSH

        Who would you rather see more of? I would like to see De’Angelo Henderson active on game days. At this point, the Broncos know what they have in C.J. Anderson and Jamaal Charles. In fact, as much as I like Charles, I would probably waive him at this point, so he can latch on with a contending team that needs running back depth and a multi-functional weapon.

        • The Color Orange

          Definitely Henderson for me. Unlike QBs, RBs typically flash very early if they have something. I’m still waiting to see that from Booker. He’s a good receiver and would be good on third downs, but he doesn’t look like a number one back to me.

      • Sparks

        I can’t find any stats for 2017 (maybe some other more astute commenter can) but in 2016 ~17% of Booker’s rushes resulted in a first down (30 of 174), whereas 20% of CJ’s rushes resulted in a first down (22/110). Not a very big difference there. If Booker is a drive killer, CJ is not far behind.

        https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-rushing-first-down-percentage/2016/

        • The Color Orange

          Yeah, but CJ is averaging 4.1 yards a carry this season and 4.4 for his career. Booker is 3.5 for both this season and his career. Charles is 4.3 this season. To me, Booker is consistently the least impressive of our backs, yet is the one being rewarded with more and more carries.

          • by my eye, CJ does a very good job of shedding tackles and getting yards after contact. He isn’t fast, but he gets yards.

            JC has excellent vision and moves – he consistently slips through holes I didn’t think were there.

            Booker – I can’t put my finger on anything he does well. I’m not convinced he’s better than a rando off the street. A modern day Lance Ball.

          • RSH

            Booker is a solid receiver. He rarely drops passes and has made some difficult grabs. He has caught 20 passes for 204 yards this season, with one receiving touchdown. The near touchdown reception on his wheel route against the Raiders last week was a thing of beauty.

          • Carsonic

            Ditto.

          • Sparks

            That’s fair on the rushing yardage. To get a fuller picture let’s include receiving stats to get total touches, total yards, total averages.

            – CJ – 159 touches, 696 yds, 4.37 average
            – JC – 81 touches, 362 yds, 4.46 average
            – DB – 66 touches, 366 yds, 5.55 average

            So, just from a production standpoint alone, it makes sense to me why DB would get more touches. But bigger picture, they know what they have in CJ. After 5 years, he is what he is, no more, no less. JC will likely be gone next year. So, the smart play is to see what else you have in your RB stable. I still think Booker has room for growth. he may end up being that 3.5 ypc guy but I’m not ready to collar him with that label just yet. And DHenderson should get more carries, but I think we’re all in agreement on that.

          • The Color Orange

            I acknowledged Booker’s receiving ability below and said that he had the makings of a good third down back. He has not flashed enough as a runner to make me think he should be a lead back.

          • Sparks

            That’s where I’m perplexed, I suppose. Not directed as you necessarily, but I see written here that he’s a drive killer, has not flashed at all and has not shown he does anything well. Yet, by the numbers, he’s the most explosive back we’ve used this year on a per touch basis. And, thanks to his injury, he’s barely over a year in his NFL career in terms of playing time. Why shouldn’t the most explosive back get more touches? Is he a drive killer or is he a good third down back? Those seem diametrically opposed to me. It just seems to me that he is still a young player that has done some good things, done some poor things and has mostly been ‘meh’ like all of our RB’s. IMO, the jury is still out on what Booker can be in the NFL. To add to it, Booker is, by far, the cheaper of the 2 RB’s being discussed here for next year. Why wouldn’t we use these next 5 games to see if a cheaper option is available by giving him more touches? The coaches seem to love him as I’ve seen that from several different sources. There might be something there. I keep seeing “why all the love for Booker” and in my head, I’m asking, “why all the hate?”

    • masonjar

      Barkley may be a supreme talent, but the team doesn’t have positions of need, they have positions of huge gaping holes. If you can identify a pro-bowl caliber QB or OL, you go for it. If not, then sure Barkley, but they have starting-caliber RBs so the upgrade is less than replacing a black hole with an actual player.

  • Nick
  • RSH

    The Eagles are absolutely dominating their opponents.

    https://twitter.com/RLiuNFL/status/935895882322542593

    • Laces Out

      Browns are so dumb

    • Rob Rooney

      Short of injury or NE cheater it is hard to imagine this isn’t your SB LII champion. This is a really well-balance team with no big weaknesses. I think KC just hit them early enough that they were beatable.

      • MattR

        My wallet certainly hopes so. $40 at 17-1 they win the NFC Championship and $50 and 28-1 they win the Super Bowl. Trying not to get my hopes up, but I can also think of a couple good uses for that money.

      • cjfarls

        Best team doesn’t always win. Philly is a contender, but all it takes is a bad bounce or 2 and they sit at home and watch the big game.

  • Gimmee2

    Hey Nick, off topic but wanted to reach out to you. I’ll be going back to Boise (Borah alumnus) the week of Christmas and wanted to get a recommendation for a good local brew pub or local beer tap house. If you’re going to be around I’d also like to offer to meet and buy you a pint (or four) for all your work on this site. I don’t really post but am a constant lurker. If there are any other Thin Airians in the Boise area, perhaps we could do a meet up and commiserate on the season over some beers. First rounds on me!

    • Nick

      Sure! Send me an email at [my first name]@[my first name]korte.com

  • Nick

    In reading a Frank Schwab article, he starts off by mentioning another possible route for Eli: retirement. He would be 37 next season. As he says, and I agree “Seems unlikely, but you never know.” He’d want the Giants to cut him first, though, or he’d be liable to pay back $12.4M in prorated bonuses.

  • RSH

    There are some inaccuracies in the column, but La Canfora raises many of the issues that have been broached here.

    https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/935925090897801217

    • Nick

      There’s a lot that I disagree with in there, but it’ll be best to save that until I do my offseason road map in January.

      • Jeremy

        Looking forward to it

    • The Color Orange

      I wouldn’t say that we overpaid for Leary, and I wouldn’t say that Shane Ray has off the field concerns. I think “excellent” may be a little too generous for Roby, and I disagree that Brian Xanders was an unsung hero.

    • Royalwithcheese

      Elway’s misses in free agency pale in comparison to his misses in the draft.

      Biggest FA misses: Both RT signings, extending Stewart and Marshall (both of which seemed like no-brainers at the time)
      Biggest misses in the draft: Take your pick.

      • VonSwenson

        “Pick!” Ha ha.

      • masonjar

        I’m looking at your FA misses and there are two categories: misses and overpaid. The RT signings were misses, but Stewart and Marshall are good ballers, just overpaid. The misses are certainly more significant.

      • cjfarls

        That said, context is important. Misses in the draft are expected, because so much of it is projection. Misses in FA should be rarer, because you have actual NFL film on the player.

    • Wow, that’s harsh. How long until Klis is told by the team to write some garbage response? One thing that’s funny in that article is the idea that Xanders should have rec’d a ring. Give me a break, he’s the Klis version of a front office guy. Also, was it really shocking that Elway hired VJ… he was the presumed favorite and the Chargers seemingly had interest.

    • Jason

      He lost me when he said Xander’s assembled the roster that went to the Super Bowl. That’s revisionist history right there.

  • The Color Orange

    You have to wonder if Wolfe is going to call it a career soon. This is a scary thing to be dealing with.

    https://predominantlyorange.com/2017/11/28/denver-broncos-derek-wolfes-neck-injury-serious/

  • RSH
  • RSH
    • Nick

      Tweet was deleted.

      • RSH

        Please refresh. Renck sent out a different tweet.

  • RSH
    • The 5th Amigo

      Omg, I was just joking about him being next. I’m buying a lotto ticket

    • The Color Orange

      Geez, why can’t it be Sean Hannity?

      • Yahmule

        FOX News is already on the hook for roughly $90,000,000 in sexual harassment settlements.

        • The Color Orange

          It’s not enough. I want Hannity gone.

          • Yahmule

            I wish I could teleport him to the bottom of the Atlantic, but once he’s finally fired, someone just as repulsive will ooze into his time slot.

  • JMac

    @disqus_lhKkwXdiZo:disqus – Eli Manning’s contract has a no-trade clause, I’m assuming he put it in there. Do you know if he can waive it so he can be traded, or will they have to waive Manning, and he can choose who he goes to?

    • Nick

      Eli has the power to waive his no trade clause should he choose to.

      • JMac

        Any insight into what circumstances would make that a good decision?

        • Nick

          If Eli is fine with his contract and his proposed destination.

          • ohiobronco

            If the proposed team is willing to pay his contract in a trade they would also as a FA. Allowing a trade would only take resources away from his new team.

          • gobroncos

            Would he and the team be able to renegotiate a new contract that he could approve prior to the trade, thus enabling the trade?

            Or, the other side of this is, if he’s waived, whoever picks him up would get his old contract. Eli wouldn’t have any say in that, would he?

          • cjfarls

            My guess is no team can talk to him until he’s cut… though perhaps NYG could waive those “no tamper” rights, though given the money they would save from a trade, I’m guessing they might not want to do that.

          • Nick

            A team can always waive its tampering protections, though it gets to set the parameters as to what other teams are allowed to talk about.

    • Jeremy

      Note the trade deadline has passed so he can’t be traded until March

  • The Color Orange
    • Royalwithcheese

      Only took 11 weeks.

      • Paco Alonzo

        I forgot he was even on the team.

      • The Color Orange

        And it only happened because of injuries to Wolfe and Peko.

  • RSH
    • Steven_Searls

      I’d rather face Jay than Moore right now.

    • Sparks

      I hate when people take snippets of quotes and put them out there like it’s an all-encompassing fact. The real quote ended with “cccaaaaarrrreeeee!” 🙂

    • Laces Out

      True words of a quitter I hope we beat the f*** out of them this weekend

  • RSH

    Dave Logan’s show on Orange and Blue AM 760 is a decent listen. Today, Logan said that he is of the impression that the Broncos will not use a top first round draft pick on a quarterback. He thinks that the Broncos will go after Kirk Cousins, Drew Brees, or another veteran to be the starter next season. Logan does not think that Eli Manning has much interest in playing for the Broncos, and that the Broncos have much interest in pursuing Manning.

    • Nick

      To clarify that last sentence: mutual disinterest both ways?

      • RSH

        Yes. Edited.

    • ohiobronco

      Mase on the same station a few hours earlier said it was a potentially generational QB draft class and “a good year to have a bad year”.

      • Nick

        Is that quality or quantity? The quote is correct if there’s only one or two sure fire QBs, but if there’s many more than that then it’s actually a bad year to have a bad year. I think of 1983, where the Dolphins got to have it both ways in getting Marino immediately after being AFC champs.

        • ohiobronco

          He was talking in terms of both. I think even in a deep year your odds are better the higher you are. Will it be like 2004 where there were three franchise QBs taken in the top 11 or like 2012 where two of the three best QBs were outside the first round entirely?

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Jim Kelly, Todd Blackledge, Ken O’Brien, Tony Eason (I think he was that year) and Dan Marino. Did I get everyone? Funny thing, as deep as that class was, really only Kelly and Marino were great. O’Brien wasn’t bad either, but not great.

          • Sparks

            There was the Elway feller to at #1 overall.

            http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/year/1983

          • gobroncos

            I forgot that Kubiak was drafted the same year as Elway.

          • Nick

            A question that I love to ask people who have some basic but not advanced knowledge of NFL history is:

            “In the famed QB class of 1983, which QB did the Broncos draft?”

            Some will automatically default to Elway, when the answer of course is Kubiak.

          • Sparks

            I can’t find the article without a deep dive, but I read somewhere that when they both got to training camp in 1983, Kubiak was like “shit, looks like I’ll never see the field” after watching Elway fling balls around the field on that first day. This was back before FA was such a big thing and once you got to a team, you were usually a career guy or a guy who got cut. So, after that first day, Kubes resigned himself to being the best back-up he could be and the two became great friends. Maybe someone with the better historical knowledge like Yahmule can expound on this.

          • Yahmule

            John and Gary were also assigned as roommates on road trips, so that helped cement their friendship. Back in the day, most players doubled up on the road and only established guys got their own rooms. Now, I think only rookies have roommates on roadies.

          • Rob Rooney

            One amazing thing about that class is that it yielded 11 SuperBowl starts, all in the AFC and all between 1983 and 1999 (98 season). Keep in mind Kelly missed a couple of seasons in the USFL, but that is amazing. Only 5 SB’s in that 16 year period didn’t have one of them starting it for the AFC.

            I know Elway and Kelly took the majority of the starts, but I still can’t see any class doing better than that.

            The downside is that all that only led to 2 SB victories.

          • Kyle Milligan

            Bright side is we got all 2 of them!

    • Laces Out

      Go ahead and save that quote cuz it’ll be wrong they better draft a QB there’s a bunch of studs out there

      • RSH

        He said to call in or text to remind him if he ends up being wrong. 🙂

    • Royalwithcheese

      Renck basically wrote the same thing today. I don’t think it’s the right move, but I get it.

    • Jason

      It’s probably not an affordable option, but I would prefer going after Cousins and drafting some blue chip linemen to protect him. I’m still not completely down on Paxton, and my ignorance of where he’s at mentally and physically makes me reluctant to bet the farm on him.

      Say what you want about Elway, but when he really set his mind to creating a generational defense he did do in very short order. I think and hope he might be realizing his high risk/ high reward approach needs a conservative buffer in concert to avoid the huge swings we see seeing.

      • QDoc

        +10 for your first sentence.

  • RSH
  • RSH

    This guy gets it. I hope that he can become a major leader for this team that it desperately needs.

    https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/935981843144376321

  • Royalwithcheese

    Realistically, could Bolles move to the right side, or is that a terrible idea that would stunt his growth? Any o-line experts out there?

    • RSH

      I would keep him at left tackle. His athleticism is a better fit there. I want us to get a long-term road grader at right tackle in the 2018 Draft.

      • Royalwithcheese

        Isn’t that distinction a little antiquated? Especially with the pass rushers in the division? (No offense.)

        • RSH

          Perhaps. It may also depend on who the Broncos have playing quarterback next season. I think that Bolles is a better fit at left tackle and is making strides at that position. I would not risk stunting that growth.

          • Royalwithcheese

            I agree. I only asked bc they could end up drafting a tackle who’s even better on the left side.

    • The Color Orange

      FWIW, Lammey thinks the Broncos should find another LT and move Bolles to RT. He doesn’t think Bolles is a franchise LT.

      • Forrest Trump

        Irvin couldn’t ru the arc on him– Bolles even had some impressive recoveries to stone him– but then again, Irvin never tried to do anything but beat him running the arc.

        The problem with Bolles at RT is that he routinely gets knocked back on his ass on run plays. That doesn’t translate at all to the right. IMO.

      • BlackKnigh

        Bolles will be better on the left side. I think he will play his career there.

    • ohiobronco

      I am not an OL expert but I do think when you flip an OT there is usually about a 50% chance it doesn’t work out.

    • QDoc

      Not an OL expert, but that won’t stop me from pretending.

      I think you give Bolles a full year in an NFL weight program, and he’ll be markedly better next year. (And he’s been pretty decent this year.) IIRC, the conventional wisdom on OL is that they make their biggest jump from year 1 to year 2, because they finally get a full offseason of lifting, eating right, etc.

      Point is, I think Bolles will be fine on the left. I’d be thrilled if we spent two of our first three picks (or even 3 of 4) on the OL.

      • Laces Out

        Isn’t it funny how sexy the offense of line draft pick looks when your team’s offense of line is completely fucked?! Usually picking offensive line the last place I want to pick with regard to sexyness

        • QDoc

          You’re implying that big fat slow dudes aren’t sexy. As a fat slow dude I resent that!

          But yeah… use all of our picks there for all I care. Just do something!

      • gobroncos

        Some of that has to do with the younger bodies (21-22 year olds) coming out of college that are still developing and able to gain the muscle and weight. Bolles was 26 when he came out, so he might not be able to put on much more if he’s already peaked. Maybe a little though. He is listed at 300lbs already, so it’s not like he needs to gain much more weight.

        • Bolles was 24 at draft and is 25 now. I think people sometimes overstate the importance of being 22 for gaining muscle. 25 or 26 is still before most men hit their physical peak and is plenty young to add more muscle.

          • gobroncos

            Thanks for the correction. Let’s hope he can add more muscle.

  • RSH
  • Royalwithcheese

    @Nick, does the 2018 cap space on Over the Cap now rollover? Seems like it does. (Only asking about the Broncos.)

    • Nick

      I believe so.

  • ohiobronco

    Trevor is one of the Broncos that caught the flu. He sounds like hell.

  • RSH

    Watch Trevor Siemian go out and lead the offense to five touchdowns like he did against Dallas this Sunday in Miami. Wouldn’t that be comical?

    • Laces Out

      This would certainly make me laugh my ass off

    • Maybe if VJ was coordinating the Dolphins defense in the same fashion he did his last game working for the Dolphins.

  • RSH
    • Forrest Trump

      He’ll surely tip them off to the abyss at TE, which would be supremely ironic and all.

      • QDoc

        Isn’t it kind of funny (not “haha” funny, but ironically sad funny) that we don’t have a TE worth a shit, and we also can’t seem to cover opposing TEs to save our souls?

        Hmmm…. maybe those two facts aren’t coincidental…

    • gobroncos

      I don’t understand why we let him go. I thought he was our best receiving tight end. Austin Traylor seems to be coming along though. Is he any good at blocking?

      • Yahmule

        Traylor is a blocking first tight end. He spent two years @ Wisconsin, so you know he’s been well schooled in rooting people out. Kind of surprised he’s been a journeyman, but sometimes it takes a while for the light to click on.

        • gobroncos

          It sure would be nice if that light stays on. If Butt pans out the way we hope it would be great to have these two as bookends.

  • RSH

    The television distribution for the Broncos’ game is quite small, but it will still be shown in most of the Rocky Mountain region. As was discussed previously, the game has been cross-flexed to FOX. The announcers will be Dick Stockton and Mark Schlereth.

    https://twitter.com/506sports/status/935942809823207424

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    The butterfly effect is so hard to guage. But I can’t help but wonder what this season would have looked like with a competent punt returner and good punter. Imagine if we didn’t lose the field position battle every time. If we weren’t backed up in our own end zone each drive. If we didn’t wear our defense out and get them to finally say fuck it because we fumbled too many punts. I know our offense was likely still to be shit, but there’s also clear data that shows huge differences in % scoring based off of starting position.

    Deep in the playoffs? Probably not. But could it have prevented this meltdown? Maybe.

    • RSH

      Or if we did not shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again on offense, particularly in the red zone. We are 5-6 and in the hunt for the division if we simply do not turn the ball over inside the five against Cincinnati and Oakland the past two weeks.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        I think the offense globally had issues due to McCoys system and poor execution. Changing 1 or 2 non-QB players wouldn’t effect that.

        But man, what if we just had an average NFL punt returner?

    • ohiobronco

      I like to think of it as getting all the bad bounces and luck out of the way in a season that was probably not going to be great anyway. Of course that is not how random events work, but feels better to look at it that way.

  • Yahmule

    Quenton Nelson tape is more addictive than processed sugar. I was watching him against Michigan State in 2016. Super freak athlete Malik McDowell actually manages to stand Nelson up and bullrush him backwards several steps. Nelson stalls him, sets himself, then he kind of arches his back and basically slams McDowell backwards onto the ground.

    • John

      If they aren’t interested in any of the QB’s this year, I would just draft Nelson and Texas’s Conor Williams in the first two rounds (and maybe trade for Brett Hundley if he keeps playing well).

    • Yahmule

      This is the play I was talking about. The edge rusher lines up really tight to McDowell and they stunt with McDowell crashing hard upfield and the edge guy doing a nice job of coming right off his hip and extending his arms to get free of McGlinchey. Focusing on the Nelson/McDowell matchup, it looks like Malik comes with a rip move with his right arm, but Nelson doesn’t let him get outside of his left elbow and it appears that the force of the rip is redirected up under Nelson’s facemask, this is what unsteadies him and allows McDowell to drive him back. Very few linemen could recover at this point, but Quenton’s just so strong that he absorbs everything and snaps Malik back. McGlinchey and Nelson technically get beaten here because their quarterback is flushed, but it required terrific execution from the Spartan defenders. My main takeway from the play is that Nelson is as strong as an ox and he never gives in to a defender.

      https://youtu.be/148F8rR2GSg?t=2m19s

  • InSiemianWeTrust
    • Yahmule

      All Patriot fans firmly believe he’s got 3-5 more years. I want to watch him disintegrate while they abandon him one by one.

      • BlackKnigh

        He was helped by the 4 game suspension last season. I like your comment better though! Thanks for the laugh!