• The Color Orange

    No corresponding roster move for Edebali yet. I wonder if they’re bringing up Hunter Sharp to be the returner.

    • Sparks

      That’s what I would do, unless they want to give Langely a shot.

    • Forrest Trump

      He was even more reckless and bereft of common sense than McK, so….

      • The Color Orange

        Did he fumble?

        • Forrest Trump

          No. But he will if he keeps trying to return everything.

  • ohiobronco

    Keith Burns gave a good interview on the kicking game yesterday on The Fan. He is available and looking to get back into coaching.

    • Pretty sure his only season as a STC his unit in Washington was ranked dead last. And he was canned after the season with Shanny.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

    Nathan Peterman to start over Tyrod Taylor this Sunday?! Tyrod must be pissed!

    • Nick

      Beat me to it by a few seconds. Tyrod should be pissed. This makes it more likely that they’ll cut him for 2018 to avoid owing him $15 million more, and he could be a veteran option for the Broncos to pursue.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        That’s good news to me! I think he’s underrated, and have wanted him here for a couple years now!

        • Nick

          Think about how much pain could have been avoided if he just followed Kubiak to Denver in 2015…

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I try not to, but I sometimes get bored, and do.

        • Jeremy

          What would you be willing to pay for him? I’m guessing he wants starter money (20 million/year) and someone will give it to him in a bidding war

          • Nick

            I’d be stunned if Taylor got that much, especially in the first year. I think you could get him for about $10M or so in the first year and then ramp it up in future years if he proves he’s worth it.

          • Jeremy

            Glennon got 18.5 guaranteed and we know what Brock got. You think he’ll only get half that with so many qb needy teams?

          • Nick

            There’s also going to be a lot of potential QBs out there, as I noted in that article I wrote a little while back. Looking at the QB list maybe $10M is a bit optimistic, but ~$10M 2018 base plus ~$5M signing bonus or something like that should work.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            18.5 was just guaranteed, right? His cap charge was 14 mill. Tyrod is making 15 mill this year, so I’d imagine he’d get 15-17 given all the QB prospects in this years draft.

          • Jeremy

            Right. But I imagine they’ll cut him after this year so they will have paid him 18.5 million for one year of his services

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I would also think that the Glennon deal, and the Osweiler deal would make teams a bit hesitant to pay out big bucks to these “middle tier” guys. The other thing that Glennon and Oz had going for them is that they were more of an unknown. I think that Tyrod has quite a few more starts than both of them did before they got their inflated contracts. Again, I think this year’s draft is going to skew the market and make it a lot more difficult to predict.

          • Jeremy

            Will be very interesting no doubt, and interesting to see how the unknown potential vs experience plays out.

            I looked and 9 of the 12 teams who Nick identified as possibly being in the market for a veteran qb will have over 50 million in cap space, and the other three have more than 30 million. And that’s before trams restructure contracts or cut veterans So there won’t be any shortage of cap space again.

          • ohiobronco

            Kolb, Cassell, Flynn, Osweiler, Glennon, probably Garapolo. Team’s are not going to ever learn that lesson as long as supply of quality QBs is less than demand. We all currently know what QB desperation feels like. I am sure teams feel it more acutely than even we do.

          • Steven_Searls

            I wonder if we will start seeing a tier of QBs making $10M with incentive heavy laden deals. The Osweiler and Glennon experiments may have soured teams on paying for an established QB who is just not good enough. Be interesting to see with this supposedly QB rich draft this year how that shakes out.

          • Jeremy

            I’ve seen several here suggest this, and I think this is wishful thinking by fans whose team is about to be in the market for a starting veteran QB.

            Nick’s article listed 15 teams who may be in the market for a FA QB, although 3 of them would probably just be interested in a backup. Of the 12 who may look for a starter, all of them have at least 30 million in cap space, and 9 of the 12 have more than 50 million in cap space. While certainly all those teams won’t be in the market for a QB, probably at least half will. I saw a comment above that tried to rank the possible FA QBs, and Taylor is going to probably be the 2nd best option behind Cousins, unless Luck becomes available. Beyond Taylor it’s guys like Bradford/Bridgewater/Keenum, Dalton or Bortles, Cutler, Tom Savage, or Mike Glennon. Those handful of teams looking for a veteran QB will be more than enough to engage in a bidding war for Taylor or someone a tier below him.

            As far as the draft, Nick listed 17 teams who may be in the market for a QB, far more than normal. While the draft may be deeper, I think the large amount of teams in need of a QB will more than make up for the difference. Worth noting, since 2000 there has never been more than 10 QBs to go in the first 5 rounds, and never more than 7 in the first 3 rounds.

            https://in-thinair.com/2017/10/25/2018-could-see-seismic-shifts-in-quarterback-locations/

          • ohiobronco

            I always hate to use the word “want” because we all want $50M/year like Goodell does. It’s about the market and I would think he would have a market. He’s currently 16th in the league in passer rating plus adds additional value with his legs. He’s never really imploded or proven himself to be a backup only like the QBs who’s value falls out of the starter tier. I would think his rep will consider Glennon to be a very reasonable starting point/floor. If there are multiple teams interested he would have a good chance of getting that.

        • Yahmule

          I’ve always liked him. Extremely mobile, doesn’t turn the ball over. The tendency to play it safe is almost a bit of a negative as he is sometimes cautious to fault and he doesn’t look to squeeze the ball into a lot of tight windows.

          • Steven_Searls

            He throws a good deep ball but they haven’t had a good deep receiver in a while. When they had Watkins healthy those two made a lot of big plays. Their current receivers are poor. That said he isn’t the best intermediate route thrower, whether because of his height or just unwillingness to trust his arm. Don’t know which. I’d take him only on a one year deal with incentives.

            I see a lot of Bills games living in Western NY state.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            Can’t wait til we sign Tyrod and not Kaep hahaha.

      • Forrest Trump

        That’d certainly be better than sacrificing whatever against the grain Letter-jacket Elway will lock in on in January and expecting him to develop behind this line without any complimentary playmakers.

    • Jeremy

      Benched for one bad game. Damn.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        It’s always the coach or the QB. I guess we see where the pecking order is in Buffalo.

        • Steven_Searls

          In Buffalo right now it is the defense. They traded away Marcel Dareus to Jacksonville and now teams are gashing them in the running game consistently. I honestly think they were surprised at their start because they traded away so many of the best players for draft picks prior to the season. Wouln’t be surprised if the decision to trade Dareus was done as a tank job by the FO. Since that trade their D has been exposed and Tyrod is not a come from behind QB. He needs a lead and a running game to be successful.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            It’s kind of a raw deal when you get benched after your defense gives up 300 rushing yards.

          • Steven_Searls

            Yep. A sign they want to move on from his contract. Peterman is pretty raw. Lucky him he gets to start against the Chargers who always find a way to lose despite a lot of talent. Still if Chargers just hand the ball off to Melvin Gordon and turn Bosa and co. loose, they should be able to beat the Bills. Should being the relevant language.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            You hit the nail on the head with that first sentence. They definitely want to move on from that contract. I believe it goes up quite a bit next year. I think it’s a little bit irresponsible and negligent to just throw Peterman out there to the wolves, on a road game, for his first start. All 75 of those Charger fans are going to be a rabid!

          • Steven_Searls

            The Bills haven’t had a franchise QB since Kelly and their best QB since those “glory days” was an aging Doug Flutie who they benched in favor of the QB the owner wanted to start in their last playoff game – The Music City Miracle (which was not a miracle the Bills’ fans are very happy about – they call it the Music City Robbery lol). Guess who their head coach was back then: Wade Phillips.

    • RSH

      We’d be 8-1 or 7-2 with quarterback play like this.

      https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/930823358089801728

      • Steven_Searls

        We’d at least have 6 wins. Tyrod has a better O-line in Buffalo and a better running game with McCoy. Still, just not turning the ball over would make a big difference and he can get first downs with his legs. He’s a shorter Alex Smith in many ways. He would have better WRs here though.

        • RSH

          With Taylor, I think that the Broncos win against the Bills, Giants, Chargers, and Chiefs. They still more than likely would have lost to Philadelphia and New England.

          • Steven_Searls

            Yeah, in any case they would be a playoff team and no one would be bitching about VJ as a coach. Of course, Tyrod might have gotten himself killed behind our O-line as well. But he’s not 6′ 7″ so I don’t see Elway ever wanting to sign him. > snark font < (someday I have to figure how to do that)

          • ohiobronco

            Who do the Bills have for that game in this universe or are there two Taylors?

          • RSH
  • RSH

    Which teams do you think would be willing to give Drew Brees an offer that he cannot refuse?

    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/930821767739912193

    • Nick

      Jacksonville.

      • Steven_Searls

        I could see that but Brees may want to give NO a hometown deal. They have a good roster, better defense, and he wouldn’t have to leave his family for significant time. Unless he pissed away all he got on his last contract I could see him going the Brady route.

        • Nick

          Sure, but the question was who would overpay him if he didn’t re-sign in NO. : ) I’d also add that Brees has always taken a hardball approach to maximizing his earnings, while Brady has proven on multiple occasions to be more generous.

          • Steven_Searls

            Guess it depends on how badly his wife wants him to stay in NO The Saints are still going to pay him at least $20M a year. I wonder if it is worth it to move on from a coach with whom he has a long term successful relationship, great running game and good wideouts, and improving D to chase a title with another team. But you are correct, he played hardball in the past.

          • ohiobronco

            It’s not like he would need to sell his house in NO to afford one in Jacksonville.

          • Steven_Searls

            More his wife not wanting to move to Jacksonville, even for a short time. He has school age kids and I suspect wife would prefer not to move them. I also read palms as a side job. 😉

          • ohiobronco

            I think he will stay put but if he didn’t the wife and kids would not need to move.

          • Steven_Searls

            One thing I know, he won’t become a Bronco (now watch Elway recruit him)

          • Sparks

            Thanks to Giselle, Brady can afford to be more generous if he so desires. Brady’s net worth – $180M. Giselle’s net worth – $360M.

            https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/02/06/heres-how-much-tom-brady-and-gisele-bundchen-are-worth/21708210/

            (I should get bonus points for linking an AOL article lol)

          • RSH

            Welcome! File’s done! Goodbye! (My father still rocks his @aol.com e-mail address originating in 1994.)

          • Sparks

            My stepfather does as well. I don’t know when he got it but I believe he’s had it forever.

          • Alaskan

            I do too. Guessing I’m roughly your father’s vintage, both in real and AOL years.
            It’s easier to keep than change. And everyone I know can find me.

      • On one hand, Jaguars have an estimated $2M in cap space for next year, but get to carry over $32M from this year.

        They have just 49 players under contract for 2017, though, but cutting Blake Bortles would allow them to chase after Brees. They just need to hope Bortles doesn’t get injured before the season ends.

        • Nick

          Cutting Bortles and his $19M salary would be an absolute prerequisite to chasing for Brees.

          • Steven_Searls

            Anything make you think they won’t cut Bortles?

          • Nick

            I’m trying to think if there’s a way the Jaguars can negotiate his salary down if they do want to keep him.

    • ohiobronco

      I can’t see it happening if they make the playoffs. Plus NO will have at least a month of exclusive negotiating window.

  • Man this isn’t just funny, it’s also a look at Broncos fans losing their shit during a rough stretch. Yikes

    https://twitter.com/blackpplvines/status/930674212024541184

    • diningerj

      Guy who throws the punches claims to be handicapped and that’s why he thinks he can wade through an entire row to get to the next section……rather amazing that he has no problem moving away from the ass kicking he’s getting promised at the end of the video. I’ve had the same thing happen to me in my seats, usually by a drunk/stoned SOB who thinks the fastest way to get across a section is to wade through all the seated folks in a row.

      • Sparks

        Agree with all you said. How do you know he claims he was handicapped? Was there a story out there on that?

        • diningerj

          Listen to the beginning of the video…he states it. Handicapped or not, the way to get from one section to another is NOT wading through an entire row to get there.

          • Sparks

            Shit, I totally missed that. Thanks. Agree about wading through rows is bullshit.

        • Steven_Searls

          I think his handicap was being a mean drunk.

    • Sparks

      Is it just me or was there a “dilly, dilly” there at the end?

      • RSH

        There certainly was.

      • Nick

        I get so tempted to use terms like “dilly dilly” and “Pit of Misery”, but then I realize that doing so would help promote a certain beer that will go unnamed.

        Thankfully, we already have the similar and reliable Pit of Despair to reference.

        • ohiobronco

          It’s not the shitty beer that bothers me. It’s the cultural divisiveness that they are overtly trying to fan.

          • Steven_Searls

            Beats me why the ad shows a lot of rich people drinking a cheap, crappy beer.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Crazy ass white people. SMH…. Always causing problems.

    • Steven_Searls

      Smart man. If he did anything to try to intervene they likely would have turned on him.

    • RSH

      This is one of the main reasons why I do not attend more games and hesitate paying to attend the few games that I do.

    • Yahmule

      That guy’s raw indignation over the sucker punch made me smile.

      • Carsonic

        Yeah, definitely my favorite part.

  • The Color Orange
    • Haha, glad he called out Klis.

    • Royalwithcheese

      So he’s saying that he booted one that poorly, huh? Nice job.

  • Nick
    • ohiobronco

      If he were released we would have 5-10 waiver claims from teams that said Kaepernick doesn’t fit their system.

      • Nick

        At least you could make a defensible argument that Taylor could be better than Kaepernick.

        • Yahmule

          Go ahead. I’m listening.

        • ohiobronco

          Taylor may be a little better numbers wise but if he were to become a FA he would be about the best approximation of a controversy free Kaepernick that you could ask for.

          • Yahmule

            I think they’re amazingly similar. There’s not even that big of an age gap. I also don’t think either one is likely to become something else moving forward. Both of these guys would be fun to have in the second half of home games when defenses start sucking thin air.

          • ohiobronco

            I’d feel pretty good about Kaepernick/Taylor, a day 1/2 draft pick and whichever leftover won the third slot.

      • Steven_Searls

        Patriots would pick him up to add to their list of former Bills on their roster. > snark font <

    • Kush-Lash

      Nick, does waiver priority change during the year? Forgive my lack of waiver knowledge.

      • Nick

        Yes, after I think Week 3 it changes every week based on record.

        • Jeremy

          So we should be above Jax and Hou in this theoretical?

    • gobroncos

      Would they really do that though? Doesn’t he have more capitol for a trade? They save $3M, but would they also gain a comp. pick? Not sure how all this works. I know the trade deadline has passed, but how long do they have him once the season ends?

      • Nick

        Comp picks won’t be in play if they cut him. The problem with a trade is that he’s due a $6M roster bonus on the 3rd day of the new league year, so it would be a narrow range in which they could trade with while avoiding paying that.

  • Forrest Trump

    I’d set the predaft odds at 2-1 that that J. Allen is our 1st round pick:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/14/josh-allen-wyoming-2018-nfl-draft-top-small-school-prospects

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkA4MzHFV8A

    He checks all the Elway boxes.

    • ohiobronco

      Would they then call him a multi-year project then bail in under 18 months?

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Boom. Headshot!

    • Royalwithcheese

      I’ve almost resigned myself to the Broncos taking him, b/c he’s the one QB out of all the top names mentioned that I absolutely don’t want them to pick.

      • Forrest Trump

        He is a considerably better lump of clay than Oz and Pax, at least.

        • Steven_Searls

          I wish we could be sure of that, but the QB’s we’ve drafted high under Elway have all been mediocre to poor so far.

          • Forrest Trump

            You see some flashes of moxie from Allen. He actually seems to “get” football, even if he is kind of a wild stallion right now.

          • Steven_Searls

            Maybe pick him in the 3rd round at best. Personally, I think he needs another year in college, much like Darnold.

          • Forrest Trump

            I don’t disagree.

          • Royalwithcheese

            I have read some rumors that Allen will go back as a fifth-year grad transfer and go to Michigan to play for Harbaugh. That could land him as the top pick overall the following year.

          • Steven_Searls

            I bet Michigan fans would love that. Their QBs stink. A lot of talent on that team wasted because they don’t have a decent QB.

          • Sparks
          • ohiobronco

            He has left Wilson, Cousins and Dak on the board in favor of his two whiffs. It feels like there will be one of those types this year. I am hoping he finally hits on one.

      • Ha, I felt that way about Lynch heading into the draft. Hard to ignore the reports that he had all-time bad whiteboard sessions with multiple teams.

      • Yahmule

        He sure struggles against tough competition. 0-4 against Power Five teams with 3 TD and 10 INT. If he’s only completing 56% of his throws in college, what will his numbers be in the pros? 56% won’t cut it, so he’ll need to show marked improvement against infinitely better competition. I don’t think he’s pushed very much @ Wyoming, either. The Cowboys are so thrilled to have someone with his ability, after having Casey Bramlet as their previous high water mark, that they tend to make excuses for him up there.

        I would prefer at least half a dozen other guys. Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Stidham for sure. Probably Thorson and Rudolph as well.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Elway has only 2 boxes for drafting QBs. I think you know what they are. 😉

      • Forrest Trump

        Big arm – CHECK

        Low percentage project- CHECK

        “We don’t draft people who can play, we draft people that should be able to in 3-5 years…best case scenario…then we refuse to pay them when they pan out.”

        I can’t imagine why it isn’t working out.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          Tall – CHECK

          • ohiobronco

            But does he have a face made for the cover of a YA novel?

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Really Tall, and ass kissy. Lynch is holding onto the wrong ball for too long.

    • Tyler

      I’m torn. He has too much in common with our recent draft busts but damn it would be sweet to have a UW player star for the Broncos.

  • Royalwithcheese

    Cousins
    Luck
    Taylor
    Brees
    Bridgewater
    Keenum
    Bradford
    Cutler
    Draft

    • Dennis

      I’d put Bridgewater ahead of Brees, but otherwise a wish list.

      • Royalwithcheese

        Ha, I wasn’t actually ranking them on purpose, it just kind of came out that way. I’d be just as fine with a draft pick as with Cousins (as long as it’s not Allen).

        • Forrest Trump

          For the record, I’m not necessarily advocating Allen, but it seems rather obvious who will captivate Elway.

          • Royalwithcheese

            No doubt. That’s why, even though I’d love to get Mayfield, he just doesn’t check the “height” box for Elway. Jackson is too “unconventional,” too.

          • Steven_Searls

            I’d love to see some team pick Jackson and adapt their offense to his skills. He reminds me of Vick as a runner, but a more accurate passer than Vick ever was.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Yes. The team that does this will be ecstatic for the next 10 years. Vick went no. 1, and offenses have only become more kind to Jackson’s type of game, yet he’s rarely mentioned as a first-round pick. I don’t get it.

          • Steven_Searls

            Doesn’t fit the model for a Pro-style passer.

            Considering that few do having never played in a Pro-style offense that argument just makes little sense to me.

            Adjust your offense to fit the player. Hell we even did that with Tebow and had some moderate success despite his inability to throw the ball within five yards of his intended target.

          • Forrest Trump

            The one hope on the Mayfield front is that the FO seems to like the program, and Elway likes to share the anecdote about how smitten his dad was with Drew Brees. Maybe both will factor into his calculus on the matter.

    • Steven_Searls

      With Luck you have to trade for him, and with the uncertainty of that shoulder (getting treatment in Europe) I’m just not sure if there will be many trading partners for the Colts. Bridgewater I see staying in Minnesota. Bradford is done except as a career backup. Keenum, assuming he keeps playing well, may get an above average deal and then revert to form. Cousins will make a lot of money from someone. Taylor will depend on how teams view him. Cutler will be in the FOX booth next year.

      • Royalwithcheese

        Cutler said he wants to play next year. Some team will sign him.

        Luck is just as big of a question mark as Bradford (with a much higher upside). If Bradford’s knee checks out, he would be a big upgrade. Sign an OG and go RB/RT in the draft and we’d be cookin.

        • Steven_Searls

          Anyone who signs Cutler deserves what they get.

        • Nick

          Only sensible way I see Cutler playing another year is if signs for one more year in Miami, they cut Tannehill and then draft a rookie to groom.

          • Royalwithcheese

            How about if Cousins leaves Washington? There will be so much QB movement this offseason, I just don’t think we can say for sure.

          • Nick

            Teams like the Redskins are definitely capable of making insensible QB decisions. : )

          • T. Jensen

            I’d be ok with signing Tannehill to a Mark Sanchez type deal next year. I’ve always thought he has potential.

            Speaking of A&M stuff, I’d also be super interested in hiring Mike Sherman as an O-Line scout. The O-Line he created at A&M when Tannehill and Johnny douchebag were playing was phenomenal.

        • Steven_Searls

          How much would you pay for Bradford? I can’t see anyone adding him to the roster except as a break glass in emergency type guy (pun intended).

          http://www.startribune.com/sam-bradford-s-injuries/445539853/

          https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1123599/sam-bradford

          • Royalwithcheese

            I think you could give him 10-12M with 10+ more in playing time/passing yards incentives. Not my first choice, but it would keep their options open. If a R1 QB falls to them that they love, take him. If not, go BPA and then look at QBs in R2-R3. Get some trade value out of TS. Restock the roster elsewhere.

          • Steven_Searls

            Maybe we could throw in Siemian as part of a trade for Luck. Selling point is he’s used to playing behind porous O-lines.

          • Royalwithcheese

            If they trade for Luck, I think TS will definitely be a part of that package. Two firsts, a third, and TS sounds about right.

          • Forrest Trump

            We can throw in Pax and Shaq and call it even.

  • Alaskan

    I don’t always have time to waste.
    But when I do, I waste it at Thin Air.
    Stay thirsty, my friends.

    • Steven_Searls

      Post of the day!

    • RSH

      Dilly Dilly!

  • The corresponding roster move that follows the release of Kasim Edabali.

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/930836997714747392

    • The Color Orange

      So two practice squad spots are open.

  • RSH

    I don’t understand this. Rico’s offense is one of the best offensive schemes for Tyrod Taylor.

    https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/930827380427501568

    • The Color Orange

      Exactly. That’s why Kubiak wanted to sign him. This is all B.S., anyway. The truth is they have no intention of bringing him back next year, and they’re simply moving on.

      • Steven_Searls

        Brooks just passing along the team’s fake news about the deal.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          The great white hope!

          I disagree with this move and I’m a Peterman fan. This is madness. In a playoff hunt?!

          • Sparks

            Benching your starting QB’s who have played relatively well while still in the playoff hunt for a young hotshot QB is never done. Isn’t that right Plummer?

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Flutie/Doug Johnson

          • T. Jensen

            I will always believe we make the playoffs if Plummer wasn’t benched.

            Of course, I will also always believe Ray Lewis threatened to kill a ref during the 2012 divisional playoff game…

  • Royalwithcheese
    • There were rumors the Bills were shopping him in the preseason, wish Denver would have traded for him then.

  • RSH

    Fisher will be thinking, “[this is not] some 7-9 bullshit!”

    https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/930849782452461568

    • Yahmule

      I would be surprised if he even watches the NFL. He seemed bored shitless the last few years.

  • RSH
    • Forrest Trump

      Broncos Country needs to give VJ a chance to learn and grow. He is low on the list of problems with this team.

      • DragonPie

        I’ve questioned the decision to hire him if it meant losing a superior defensive coach, but I’ve never been on the bandwagon to fire him.

        • RSH

          Has it been confirmed that if the Broncos had hired Kyle Shanahan or Dave Toub that Wade Phillips would have remained on as defensive coordinator? From all of the reports at the time, I am fairly certain that Phillips was out regardless.

          • DragonPie

            Well, if they had picked up a top offensive coach, the reasoning would be that person would have the skills to markedly improve that side of the ball, but a defensive coach replacement would be unlikely to do so when Wade has such a long proven track record.

            My main hope was that the defense played somewhat similarly and that the schematic changes were kept to a minimum and that we’d underestimated McCoy’s abilities.

            But, without that rationalizing, I just don’t understand the decision. I’d have rather settled for a lower offensive candidate with the stipulation that we kept our terrific defensive coordinator or even promoted Wade Phillips as the head coach.

            But it’s moot now. I’m not upset at VJ. I also do think that the problem isn’t just coaching, but we just lack some of the necessary cogs to excel and that perhaps this team was put on a pedestal a bit by good coaching last year, at least on the defensive side.

            Also, ST has been pretty much historically bad, so we will absolutely need to move on from Olivo regardless. That’s all that I am absolutely certain of.

    • ohiobronco

      I used to occasionally listen to Marvin’s press conferences back when I used to listen to over the air radio. I see some similarities style wise.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    I’d sign Tyrod and go OG/RT in the 1st.

    • QDoc

      …. and the 2nd… and the 3rd…

    • Forrest Trump

      Do you have a favorite RT prospect yet?

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Haven’t really watched any yet to be honest.

    • gobroncos

      And flip OG/RT in the 2nd.

  • InSiemianWeTrust
  • ohiobronco
    • Forrest Trump

      I have to keep reminding myself that the book on Lynch has yet to be entirely closed. Though I’m skeptical, I think he needs an honest shot. Maybe he trends toward ‘gamer’. You never know.

      • ohiobronco

        I feel the same way. Give me 2 or 3 real games like he looked in the preseason and I would be ready to let go. Until then, it feels like they are forgetting the statements they made about him needing time.

      • Alaskan

        Maybe he has the mysterious and unquantifiable “it” that Tebow was said to possess.
        But I doubt that.

        • Forrest Trump

          That is about where I’m at. 🙂

  • Yahmule

    Paxton is getting number two reps in practice today. So, apparently the most recent report about his shoulder was total hogwash.

    • ohiobronco

      A loss to the Bengals would be better therapy than all the European shark stem cells in the world.

  • Nick
    • Yahmule

      Marrone’s impulsive nature is well documented.

      • Marrone is in Jax now, what’s he have to do with this?

        • Yahmule

          My bad. Remembered him escaping from there.

          • Yahmule

            It’s hard to endorse this move, but Buffalo has been in a soft rebuild all season. I guess this actually gives them more information heading into the off season.

  • ohiobronco

    I will be. I am watching an unusual amount of college ball with the Broncos’ early exit and all.
    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/930556820627828736

    • Yahmule

      I would be thrilled with either one or Mayfield.

      • DCJ1

        I’m not sure about either of them. Darnold has so much talent around him he gets away with some lucky crap. Rosen has less talent, but looks less impressive as well.

        • Yahmule

          I feel like Darnold came in with impossible to reach expectations and people are overweighing some bad plays this season in comparison to all the positives he brings. Rosen has as much natural arm talent as we’ve seen in a few years. When guys are being talked about all summer as being the number one overall pick, they get picked apart and perfect becomes the enemy of good.

      • Hank Mardukis

        Being a CU fan I’ve seen plenty of Rosen and Darnold in the Pac. I think the Broncos can’t go wrong with either, but Rosen’s shoulder injury is a bit concerning.

      • Forrest Trump

        So are Rosen’s alledged lack of interpersonal skills overblown?

        • ohiobronco

          No way for any outsider to know this but let’s hope the Bronco’s interview process is more effective this time.

          • Forrest Trump

            There is much to like about him (Rosen), but those rumors make me nervous.

            In John we trust.

        • Yahmule

          There are never any specific examples cited. IMO, his open criticism of the NCAA made him the target of a whisper campaign. He’s a smart guy and popular with teammates. As he ages, he’ll probably become a bit more temperate with his public comments. Think of all the teams that blew it on Aaron Rodgers just because Jim Mora Jr didn’t think he kissed ass hard enough in his interview and decided to make sure everybody knew it.

          • Forrest Trump

            I don’t get to watch much on Saturdays, but I have been following the scouting take on Rosen and you are right: the legend of his dickishness has escalated considerably without the presence of qualifying incidents.

          • Yahmule

            I’ve only heard teammates say good things about him. He did get some opposing coaches saying he shouldn’t use his platform to criticize college football. Which is easy for them since head coaches actually get paid in college and aren’t carrying a class load on top of their football responsibilities.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      I’ve been thinking the same thing. Though football can be a painful hobby, its amazing how resilient the mind can be in trying to find other things within the same subject to look forward to, even when the initial focus is destroyed.

      • DragonPie

        Browns fans get to watch all of the college football.

    • Based on prior QB scouting, maybe it should be someone other than that combo watching that game for the Broncos.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Pretty damn sure given current trends, QBs will go 1,2,3. We’re going to have to move up or get a second tier guy even in the high 1st.

      • Royalwithcheese

        Good thing the Broncos have extra picks in the fourth and fifth rounds. And maybe the third as well. Nick, how’s that looking these days?

        But the Niners don’t need one, and I don’t really see Cinci taking a QB. San Diego is a question mark. Arizona or the Jets would have to leap way up, so the Broncos could actually be OK.

        Also, to add: who’s going to have the cajones to take Mayfield at third overall? That would be something.

        • ohiobronco

          4ths and 5ths don’t get you to the top 3. Double digit losses and/or future 1sts are needed to get there.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Sure, but if they do decide to move up, at least they’ll be able to supplement the roster with those picks. I’m not convinced that QBs will go 1,2,3 anyway.

          • Yahmule

            And if they do, we draft Quenton Nelson or Mike McGlinchey and there will still be some very good QB left in round two.

      • BlackKnigh

        The Chargers picked Drew Brees as the 1st pick in the 2nd round. That turned out pretty good for them and for NO.

  • RSH
    • so here’s my connundrum: I can go to a bar and watch the Broncos play the Bengals in what will ultimately be a meaningless game and hope the Broncos can do what they have done quite infrequently: score a meaningful TD. Or, I can go play soccer with co-workers.

      this may be the first time in a really long time that I miss a Bronco game on purpose.

      • RSH

        And if we win, you have to take one for the game each week going forward for good luck purposes. 🙂

      • Yahmule

        Running or drinking beer? That’s the question? Are there hidden cameras around here somewhere?

  • The Color Orange
    • Steven_Searls

      Surprised to see Rivers so low on that list.

      • Nick

        I’m not. He’s been steadily declining for a while.

        • RSH

          https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/930854955078029312

          [Ben Roethlisberger] and Philip Rivers and Eli Manning — part of that historic quarterback class — are all much closer to the end than the beginning and are all showing weekly signs of erosion and all three of these franchises have to start thinking seriously as to where they go from here at the quarterback position.

    • Yahmule

      The Bengals are paying the Red Rocket more than 27 times as much as Trevor Siemian to be four shitty quarterbacks better than him.

    • VonSwenson

      What is this? Where is it from? I’ve never seen these type of statistics before.

      • RSH

        I like that each quarterback is listed as “Human.”

        • Yahmule

          Really giving Tom Brady the benefit of the doubt, IMO.

      • Sparks

        Wasn’t Laverneus Dingle one of the Key & Peele’s football player names? 🙂

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss

  • RSH

    This has your name all over it, @disqus_lhKkwXdiZo:disqus. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/930891095302553600

    • Nick

      I’ve always found it funny that Bud Light and not Coors Light is the official beer of the Broncos.

      • ohiobronco

        Coors Light sponsored CU games back in my college days. This resulted in mockery even among college kids in the stands. I remember a Broncos game at the old Mile High back in the 80’s. The announcement of no-shows (something like 200 usually) was sponsored by Cambells Soup. The guy in front of us yelled out that they should shove the soup cans up their asses.

        • RSH

          I remember advertisement signage for Coors Light and Marlboro at the old Mile High.

        • DCJ1

          When I was at CU there was a flap about one of the Coors family being appointed to the Board of Regents. It had to do with him being an anti-intellectual fascist or something. There was a campus-wide boycott of the beer.

          Turns out, the silly students didn’t realize that the Board of Regents membership is restricted to how much money one donates, rather than how much one cares about education.

  • RSH
  • Royalwithcheese
    • G Mik

      I don’t know. It’s not like they back it up with any real facts or figures… Ugh. Sad truth..

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      It’s telling that the #1 selling Panther’s jersey in South Carolina is Luke Kuechly, while around the rest of the country, it’s Cam Newton.

      Don’t get me wrong, Luke Kuechly is a phenom, but what other entrenched QB is outsold by a linebacker in this league?

      • More Cow Bell

        Manning vs Miller jerseys. I would always see more 58

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      While I don’t disagree with the point about white privilege, the problem here is that Taylor hasn’t been been very good.

  • The Color Orange
    • And Langley replacing Booker on KR? Booker is terrible as a KR…

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Taylor has zero quicks.

      • So our KR and PR will just be kick receivers not returners.

  • The Color Orange

    McKenzie really didn’t need this video getting out.

    https://twitter.com/dmac1043/status/930882601622970368

  • RSH
  • Yahmule

    Since surviving an 11 sack blistering by a Clemson defensive line that may yield four first round picks in 18/19, Stidham has completed 76.4% for 1946 yards, 12 TD and two picks. He has also rushed for a couple of touchdowns. I think he might be the best two way quarterback in the country after Mayfield.

    November 5, 2017

    • Sparks

      I didn’t know much about this guy until you brought him up, but he’s been growing on me. Like many here, Mayfield is solidifying himself as my number 1 QB, but Stidham is coming on. The nice thing about him is he might be available in a Rd 2 or 3, after the Rosens, Mayfields, Darnolds, Jackson, Allens, Rudolphs etc. have been removed from the board.

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Well, my desires on this are simple. I don’t care who we pick, but whomever it is, he’d better damn well turn out to be this generation’s Elway/Kelly/Marino/Montana. No Todd Blackledge’s, please. That’s all I ask.

    • ElwayIsGod7

      Love JS, but don’t think he’s gonna declare for the draft thus yr.

      • Yahmule

        Probably not a bad idea. He could be a first rounder next year, but in the running for first pick in 2019.

        • Random Anonymous Coward

          He could be a Bronco next year or a Brown in 2019!

  • RSH
    • Nick

      Let’s hope Tyron Smith gets healthy to open it up for the other RBs against the Chargers and Raiders.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      Gronk is the epitome of a person who goes to Mexico for spring break.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Deadspin once referred to Gronk as a “human Bicardi handle,” (“handle” meaning 1.75 liter bottle) and I couldn’t agree more.

  • RSH
  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Similar to Kaep as prior, we may make a run at FA QBs before the draft.

    What dollar signs would you pay for each QB? With the assumption that Lynch doesn’t play the rest of this year and some of these QB have different contract years attached; strictly talking APY here.

    Tyrod
    Brees
    Cousins
    Alex Smith (and what draft capital would you give)

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Tyrod = 16 – 18
      Brees = 22
      Cousins = 24
      A. Smith = 18, 4th

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I would not pay Taylor that kind of money. He’s mediocre as a passer.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          He has a nice deep ball, dual threat, and protects the ball. I have a feeling that is what his market value will be. Nick said earlier that he thinks he could be had for around 10 mill, which I think would be a GREAT deal. I will be the first to admit I like Taylor better than others. That doesn’t mean he will end up being any good though 🙂

      • Yahmule

        I would make Cousins second highest paid, which would mean 25. I think that 15-18 would be fair for Taylor. I can’t see Brees leaving New Orleans or being nearly as effective away from Payton. I’ll give the Chiefs shit and shove them in it.

        • Royalwithcheese

          While I appreciate the KC sentiment, I agree with Bobby. Alex at 18 would be a great fit. Frees them up to take a QB in the draft, if so desired.

          • ohiobronco

            Alex would be a nice option but he is not available to a division rival. You might as well ask the Cowboys for a Dak for Paxton trade.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I need to cross check league-wide APYs, but I’d rank these guys 1. Cousins; 2. Brees; 3. Smith; 4. Taylor, in order of preference.

    • ohiobronco

      I would be willing to pay any of these QBs starting money provided the effective commitment is no longer than two years max, preferably one, and there is QB development behind them. I am more interested in finding a long term QB than I am a short term run
      Tyrod: 18 max, limit guarantees. Nice stopgap in front of young QB
      Brees: Ok with mid 20s as long as it’s year to year like Peyton
      Cousins: Ok with mid 20s as long as commitment is not too long. Going all in as QBOTF with Cousins seems like a settle to me and we are no longer in “window” mode
      Alex Smith: Not an option since he is in the division but would be ok with the 20s if he was.

      In the end the veteran/rookie combo like Philly did last year seems like a good move.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Who would have thunk that Alex Smith with be the #1 Deep thrower and #5 best big time throw %. Friggin T. Hill.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-grade-after-week-10

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Early mocks…

    Have us taking OT Orlando Brown in 1, then QB Ryan Finley in 2.
    http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/11/15/2018-nfl-mock-draft-updated-4-round-projections-after-week-10/3/

    • Yahmule

      I will probably break something if we use this precious top ten pick on Son of Zeus. He’s going to make as many Pro Bowls as his dad (0) without slinging to the ground nearly as many Tripplettes.

      I could live with Finley in round two.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    While I’m talking to myself, McCoy should start Paxton and copy heavily from Wentz/Goff/Mariota’s playbook.