• Steven_Searls

    wakey wakey!

  • ohiobronco
    • Jeremy

      Fisher has 5 8-8 seasons. The stat nerd in me wants to know if that is actually the record. I’m struggling to have PFR help me figure it out.

      • Yahmule

        He also chipped in four 7-9’s and a 7-8-1.

        I would guess that 7,8 and 9 wins are the most likely statistical outcomes for an NFL season, like any information that would be likely to follow a bell curve.

        I’m sure he holds the record, though. It’s really not that hard to break down. If you think about it, five 8-8 seasons equals 80 games. Only 129 coaches in the entire history of the league have coached 80 NFL games. The number of old timers who coached in 14 or 12 game seasons, narrows that list of guys who could go 8-8 considerably.

        • Jeremy

          Shannahan has 3, which is the next highest I’ve found after looking at a few random coaches. I’m guessing you are right though.

          • ohiobronco

            JDR must have more than a few.

          • Jeremy

            Shula had 4 8-8 seasons, along with an 8-7 season in 1987, along with an 8-5-1, and an 8-6 season. The player strike likely saved him from joining Fisher

          • Jeremy

            Schottenheimer also had 3 8-8 seasons, a 4-4 season, and an 8-7-1.

            Marv Lewis also had 3 8-8 seasons.

            Webb Ewbank had 4 .500 seaons way back when there was 12 and 14 game seasons.

            I think I’m done looking now.

          • ohiobronco

            I think we have solved the question of how to celebrate. Waste too much time looking up mediocre coaches.

          • Jeremy

            Someone really needs to post something else for us to talk about haha.

          • Yahmule

            I saw Chuck Knox had a run near the end with Seattle where he went 7-9, 9-7, 7-9, 9-7. The Seahawks got tired of the mediocrity and dumped him and promptly went 2-14.

          • Nick

            It was likely this exact stretch you cite that caused me to be a Broncos fan instead of a Seahawks fan.

          • RSH

            And the rest is history. Thankfully, that was the case. Otherwise, Thin Air may have never come to fruition.

          • Nick

            I wonder what Pearl Jam song would have been the most appropriate for a Seahawks blog.

          • Yahmule

            That ’92 offense was unspeakably bad and would have been infinitely worse if Chris Warren hadn’t come out of nowhere to carry the rest of those slugs (John L Williams, excluded) on his back.

          • RSH

            And somehow the Broncos surrendered 16 points to those clowns in a Monday Night Football overtime loss that season. http://articles.latimes.com/1992-12-01/sports/sp-1430_1_33-yard-field-goal. The Broncos were without John Elway that night, but that loss still stung. I was one embarrassed third grader the next day at school.

            I think that loss was the end for Dan Reeves in Denver. The following week, Reeves went with the dual quarterback strategy in a 31-27 home loss to the eventual Super Bowl champion, Dallas Cowboys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01IEsxw7DM

          • Yahmule

            Triple quarterbacks if you count Arthur Marshall’s 81 yard TD pass to Cedric Tillman. I remember watching that game @ Telly’s in Universal City in a bar full of bandwagon Cowboy pukes. Bitter loss.

          • John

            Well, they still had a chance to make the playoffs in Week 17, so I think that the loss at KC that year was Reeves’ death knell. If they would have made the playoffs, Bowlen would have given him a new contract.

          • Yahmule

            I don’t think he would have. Bowlen finally understood exactly how toxic the Reeves/Elway feud had become. Resigning Reeves would have meant trading Elway.

          • PiperAR

            I had learned by then that no matter how bad the Chiefs or Seahawks were, expect losses at Arrowhead and the Kingdome.

          • Yahmule

            History would have been quite different.

          • John

            In 91, he tried to get Brett Favre, but the owner wanted Dan McGwire.

    • Yahmule

      I’m gonna troll somebody over a trade we made and then barely have any of those acquired assets left four years later.

      • ohiobronco

        That’s a good one although I’m afraid it will bring back memories of the coach who shall not be mentioned. I’ll probably just tell a colleague to take out someone’s knee.

      • PiperAR

        Remember that one time the Rams had 3 first round picks, all of whom left to other teams in free agency.

        • Yahmule

          The Rams can screw up a blockbuster trade like no other. They choked away the RGIII draft haul almost as badly as they choked away the Eric Dickerson draft haul. In 1959, they traded nine guys for Ollie Matson and sent the franchise into a long tailspin.

      • Nick

        I think one has to be careful with merely assigning the strict draft picks that were acquired in the trade. For example, in 2013 the Rams got a good player in Ogletree, but also used their own 1st on the infamously overpaid Tavon Austin. Similarly, in 2014 while they pissed away the Redskins’ pick on Robinson, with their own pick they got Aaron Donald, who can legitimately (but not conclusively) argue that he’s the best defensive player in the league.

        So say the Rams didn’t make the trade, and they had both Austin/Ogletree and Robinson/Donald available to choose from with their sole 1st round pick each year. They could come out much better or much worse depending on who they choose.

        • Yahmule

          I have never allowed trivial details like that to distract me from kicking a guy when he’s down.

    • Nick

      That used to be Dallas Cowboys Day, they were notorious for a while of finishing 8-8 and missing the playoffs on the very last game of the season to a different NFC East rival on Sunday Night Football.

      My birthday is December 4, and I’m happy to have had that day coincide with several Broncos records in recent years.

      • ohiobronco

        Garrett may be the only coach to go three in a row.

        • Nick

          Looks like Marvin Lewis had 3 out of 4 8-8s from 2003-2006, and at that time that would be considered massive improvement in Cincinnati.

          • ohiobronco

            I’m surprised I didn’t think of him sooner.

          • Nick

            Here’s another one: has any coach lost in the wild card round five straight seasons, and six out of seven? Because that’s what Marvin Lewis did from 2009-2015.

          • ohiobronco

            Cleveland or Buffalo would give him the key to the city for such an achievement.

          • Nick

            One could easily argue that that’s what Cincinnati gave him.

          • ohiobronco

            I haven’t listened to local talk radio in a while since I started streaming Broncos stations. When I did, people didn’t love him but they had this weird desire to make him GM and get another coach. Someone would call in at least once a month proposing this. It’s like they wanted better but were afraid to give up the security he provides.

          • DCJ1

            I have a friend who is a big Chiefs fan. Years ago his family came to visit us at Christmas time, and I bought a neighbors season tickets to take him to see the Chiefs @ Bengals. We spent most the game speculating whether Marvin Lewis or Herm Edwards would be the first coach fired that year. It came as a shock when Shanahan earned that “honor”.

          • Yahmule

            Marvin’s 0-7 mark has eclipsed Jim Mora’s 0-6 record of abject futility in the playoffs?!?!

            Amazingly, you have to go back to old timer Allie Sherman’s 0-3 mark to find the next sad sack with a winning percentage of .000% in the post season.

          • Nick

            Is 3 games your minimum qualifier? I know there have to be multiple 0-1 head coaches, Jim Schwartz was one I found quickly.

          • Yahmule

            Only six guys are currently 0-2 in the post season. Seems like that number should higher, but I’m probably overestimating the total number of post season games that have been played in league history.

        • Yahmule

          He’s a major threat to Fisher’s crown as Mediocrity King. Only 51 and so malleable.

    • RSH

      My birthday is tomorrow. Thank goodness that falls one day after this inglorious event. I have no desire whatsoever to share a day with Jeff Fisher.

      • Holzy

        Happy Fucking Birthday!!!! (tomorrow)

        • RSH

          Thank you!

  • RSH
    • Nick

      The Chargers have been regularly inept as to how to glorify their past.

      • Yahmule

        Another highlight from the HOF ceremony was Charger fans blasting the shit out of Dean Spanos when LT brought him up.

        San Diego fans were by far the drunkest in attendance and I can understand it. This was like the last hurrah for their franchise and it had to be terribly bittersweet. A group of them pissed everybody off by starting an LT chant during Morten Andersen’s speech, but it got shut down quickly.

  • RSH
    • Nick

      Interesting choice of a lede:

      DeMarcus Ware has crossed over to the dark side.

      I realize her intent is to be self-deprecating to her profession, but in my mind that phrase means “DeMarcus Ware has joined the Raiders”, of which thankfully never happened.

      • Yahmule

        I was hoping she meant the Cowboys. Knee jerk demonization of the media is not something to encourage.

  • Nick

    This really surprises me, I liked him coming out of Alabama. (Although I know for some of you that alone would have been a negative.) Although the Broncos don’t need a LB, I’m worried that a team that does need one like the Raiders or Chiefs could acquire him and turn him around.

    https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/894919705105899521

    • RSH

      Todd Davis and Brandon Marshall have had injury issues. Davis and Corey Nelson will be free agents in 2018. I would be interested in Ragland if he becomes available.

      • Jeremy

        5 ILBs wouldn’t be impossible, but it would be harder with our current injuries to work out. Maybe Anderson is cut in this scenario.

    • Steven_Searls

      Ragland had a knee last year and this may be the reason he is still down on the depth chart. It was his ACL and he missed the entire season.

      • I was just about to bring that up. Players who miss their rookie season to a significant injury are often having to catch up on things, even if they were a talented player in college.

        With this said, if he did get waived, the Broncos have waiver priority over the Raiders and Chiefs — but then again, a number of other teams have waiver priority over the Broncos and I could easily see a team like the Browns or 49ers poaching him off the wire.

        • Yahmule

          I don’t have much interest. He’s a two down guy who ran free behind A’Shawn Robinson, Jonathan Allen, Dalvin Tomlinson and Jarran Reed.

      • Nick

        That explains the depth chart, but doesn’t explain why they might want to trade him.

  • ohiobronco

    Glennon to be the cannon fodder for 1st team D.

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/894971781496401920

  • RSH

    Under such a scenario, who would be the odd man/men out?

    https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/894964679495139328

    • GrizzlyB

      If that’s really true, the WR group would definitely be DT, Emmanuel, Fowler, Latimer, McKenzie, and Henderson. So whoever you thought had a shot (Taylor, in my case) is the odd man out.

      Though that does strike me as a dubious claim, since I feel that Webster was clearly the better of the two when they were working together. Makes me wonder if the source isn’t Olivo, who is likely still proclaiming it as loudly as possible to anyone who will listen.

      • PiperAR

        I wouldn’t care for it if they let Taylor go for one more year of Latimer. I’m not sure McKenzie offers much as WR in real games, call him a specialist or a hybrid. But other positions are crowded too.

        Wanting to keep 7 WR, 5 RB, 4 TE, and 4 QBs sure is an odd problem for a last in division team.

    • Nick

      If this is true, then I wonder if it would be prudent to try to cajole Latimer into a cheap extension. He’s not going to fetch anything more than a 7th round comp pick if he walks (though he could ward off cancellations, as Dekota Watson might do for 2018), and there’s no guarantee they’d find a better gunner to replace him (and this statement, by definition, declares Latimer to be the best).

      • ohiobronco

        Guys like that you let them test the market then sign them cheap if they are still there ala Hillman.

        • Nick

          I don’t think there should be any set rule for that. If they want him back for cheap and he’s willing to sign for cheap, I see no reason to wait and give other teams a shot at him.

    • Jeremy

      I’m a bit skeptical. He had 3 ST tackles last year, 8th on the team. He had 2 Tackles on punt plays, tied for 6th on the team. League wide there were 120 players who had more than his 2 tackles on punts ranked http://pfref.com/tiny/ChlK8

      I know there is more to being a good gunner than tackles, and I know he may have improved, but still, 121st in the league.

      • I thought he stood out last yr. covering punts. He’s also penciled in as the starting KR. We’ve seen him there before, some good and some bad… but far better than Bibbs, ha. Pretty sure we were all hoping for Henderson to star in that role…

  • bradley
  • Yahmule

    Speaking of Marvin and the Misfits.

    From here on out, Andy Dalton will be the default comparison anytime a team is reluctantly wedded to a mediocre quarterback for a decade or more. He is an innings eater. “Well, Kirk Cousins still throws horrible interceptions, but what are we gonna do? Start over? No, I’m afraid we’ve been Daltoned.”

    http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2017-cincinnati-bengals-1797628436

    • Jeremy

      I’d be so thrilled if Siemian Daltoned us.

      • Yahmule

        If any Bronco quarterback ever goes 0-4 in playoff games, while throwing one touchdown and turning the ball over eight times, the only question will be whether he’s tarred and feathered before being run out of town on a rail.

        https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00/gamelog/post/

        • gobroncos

          I vote tar and feathered.

          • Yahmule

            I knew a guy who lived down the road from Saban. He said he helped Lou clean garbage off his porch a few times.

        • PiperAR

          Traded to the Jets.

    • ohiobronco

      The demarcation line between worth keeping and would like to replace floats around between Dalton, Flacco, Cutler and Smith depending on year. I think if you’re stuck in that loop you draft a QB every year until you hit on one.

      • Jeremy

        I’ve seen philosophies like this floated quite a bit by fans, and while it seems good at first, I don’t think it would work. Unless you are drafting a QB very high in the draft (top 10 or so) the odds of them becoming successful starters (Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, etc) is about 10%, the odds of them becoming a marginal starter (Cutler, Dalton, Flacco) is about 10%, and the odds they are worse than that is about 80%. So even if you draft a QB high in the draft every year, you’ll be trying quite a while before you really find on that is the answer. Additionally, I’m guessing these odds go down if the QB is going to be discarded if they don’t beat out the incumbent within a couple years and if they get limited game time or reps with 1s. You could argue you should move up and take the top QB prospects instead of waiting for the second tier guys at the end of the first/second round, but if you are drafting where the Broncos normally do, you are going to have to give up a significant amount of draft capital to make it happen, and the odds still aren’t great.

        • PiperAR

          He didn’t say draft a QB high. I don’t see a problem with taking a QB late and sort the Brady from the Van Pelts. I didnt notice a down side to the revolving door of 3rd string QBs.

          • Jeremy

            I think most teams do this to some extent, but the odds that 1) he is a probowl caliber QB, and 2) you realize it while they are getting limited reps and experience are very small, probably well below 5%. You could do this for an entire generation and still never hit.

            The Ravens Drafted Tyrod Taylor in 2011 and he may end up being one of the most successful late round QBs. But they let him go to Buffalo after 2014 on a three year 3.5 million dollar deal so they could make way for 2014 6th round pick Keith Wenning. Whether Taylor is actually better than Flacco is an open question, but if he were, he might still be sitting in Buffalo

        • ohiobronco

          I think that if you are at all ambiguous about your starter that you keep bringing in young guys with potential as your backups. One of the characteristics of the Dalton type is decent durability so you don’t need a safety blanket vet backup. I also think that there are a lot of avoidable mistakes that teams make that lower the hit rate of 15-70 pick types. Mainly not giving them reps (don’t have to be first team) or multiple years in the same system (a big contributer to lack of success that Lynch is now at risk of). Also there are a lot of avoidable obvious bad picks in that range (Hackenburg). So maybe every year is too much because you don’t want a crowded room or to cycle through them without giving them a full chance. But you do want to keep the pipeline stocked. Also don’t be afraid to use a 1st in a strong class even if you have an ok starter in place.

      • PiperAR

        Line between worth keeping and wanting to replace is between Dalton etc. Ain’t that the truth.

        Good starting QB but not good enough to carry average or good team on SB run.
        Retain other free agents.
        Strong salary cap position.
        Choose two.

    • Dark Doc

      Somehow, when I think of Dalton, I think of Patrick Swayze in “Road House”.
      That kind of Daltoned would be a good thing, yes?

  • Glimmer of hope in an otherwise bleak QB situation:

    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/894640694580703232

    • Nick

      Where have I heard that before...?

      • Haha. Not to mention the light didn’t really come on in the two games he started last yr.

        • Nick

          Uh, I wasn’t even referring to Lynch there.

    • Jungy Brungen

      Not bleak at all https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f86de46560ab2eb232c872aae0737f5c8ea2ae6d8615d5562f9c9cd33a03c729.gif . Siemian will be fine this year, and if his body can’t hold up to the NFL pounding, then we get to see if Chad Kelly is worth a damn next year.

    • ohiobronco

      When the game starts and he gets that controller in his hand…

    • PiperAR

      Both Lynch and Tebow played in mostly one-read offenses in college. That shit won’t fly in the NFL.

      Not being a good practice player in a one-read system. Think about that a moment.

    • GrizzlyB

      Doesn’t surprise me much. Memphis had a good defense. Probably made for challenging practices, compared to Tulsa or SMU.

      • G Mik

        How does this comment not have 100 up votes? F’ing great!!

  • Royalwithcheese
    • Nick

      It would be interesting if one could devise a way in which players who contribute above a certain number of snaps are for practical purposes a “starter”.

    • PiperAR

      Maybe Joseph and Woods can dream up a defense that uses 1 OLB and 3 ILB until Ray or Shaq return.

  • RSH
  • Yahmule

    Bengals fans don’t seem to be having a lot of fun.

    Trotted Marvin Lewis out to speak against the elimination of the anti-celebration rule, letting this pathetic dick with an 0-7 playoff record talk some anodyne bullshit about being an example for the kids (remember, this guy just drafted JOE MIXON, and coaches Pacman and Burfict) on behalf of owner Mike Brown, a hideously enflamed ass pimple of a man who makes Trump look like Jesus and is against doing anything fun.

    • SteveS

      Is it just an Ohio thing? That’s a state I simply don’t understand.

      • Yahmule

        Maybe more localized. Another dude makes a pretty good case that Cincy is developing Little Brother Syndrome under Cleveland of all places. LeBron, the Indians, Hue Jackson. Hard to overstate how sick people are of Marvin Lewis in southwest Ohio.

  • RSH

    Is anyone else getting worried about North Korea?

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/895010501297569792

    • The 5th Amigo

      I’m not, we got cool hand Trump steadying the ship. Him and Kim will prolly just hug it out.

      • Alaskan

        As someone who lives within what is clearly the range of whatever ICBM’s North Korea has now, and doesn’t have to wait for the future, it is Duck and Cover 2.0.

        • TGFKADT

          Just because we can, do we have the right or moral high ground to basically trade Seoul for Anchorage? that’s probably close to the best-case scenario for military intervention.

          It’s an interesting debate that I don’t know the answer too.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            No.

          • TGFKADT

            I certainly agree morally. However, does the United States not have the obligation to put its own national security above all else?

            It’s the quintessential catch-22.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Unfortunately, there are no really good options here. That’s why he has nukes, and it’s why we continue to maintain 28k troops on the Peninsula.

          • TGFKADT

            Its an unprecedented quandary: I can’t come up with a similar historical scenario where a nation chose to sacrifice so many “friendly” nationals to protect its self.

            After the dust settles, a unified Korea will hate nobody more than the United States.

            This is a long-term s*** sandwich if it comes to blows, and Trump drew a mighty stupid line in the sand today.

        • Yahmule

          It’s just weird that everybody is talking about this right now.

          What about Hillary’s emails?

    • Yahmule

      I’m worried that the Republicans are too compromised to handle any crisis.

    • Andrew

      You don’t like having your safety in the hands of 2 calm reasonable guys like Trump and Kim Jong Un?

    • Royalwithcheese

      No, but seriously, I am. Just a little.

    • TGFKADT

      Hell, yeah! I read recently that the best estimates, for the “favorite” mass American strike option, executed perfectly, is at least 150,000 dead South Korean civilians.

      That strike would include such a large portion of the US Air Force that it would be almost impossible to pull off with the entirely vital surprise necessary.

      Its a shit sandwich.

    • gobroncos

      I don’t think they’ll be a problem for us. They’re not in the same league, let alone division. Do they even have a football team? Even if they did I don’t see us losing to them. I doubt they’d even make the playoffs.

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      Even without nukes, the DPRK always was Cable of utterly obliterating Seoul with their artillery. 15 million people live in Seoul, while the AF could eventually take out those artillery pieces, many, many would die first. None of that is new. What’s new is the potential to perhaps send an ICBM towards the United States. That and the fact that Kim Jong Un seems particularly unpleasant.

    • As someone living in South Korea, yeah, I’m a little worried. The Koreans I’ve talked to always say, “This has been going on for decades and nothing ever happens.” I don’t understand their nonchalance. In the decades that this has been going on, there’s never been a Trump in power before.

      The last time Trump launched missiles at another state, his approval rating received a noticeable bump, and all of cable news fawned over it. If there were ever a person who would notice approval ratings and cable news praise, it’s Trump.

      He has repeatedly shown that he’s willing to do or say anything to distract from negative news. With Robert Mueller’s investigation closing in on the White House, in what ways might Trump try to distract us this time? A damning investigation report might require something more distracting than an irate early morning tweet. Cue North Korea, a regime widely hated by Americans, that could easily be spun by the media as a humanitarian act.

      Impulsive, with a desire to be seen as tough and an elementary knowledge of geopolitics, he’s a man-child with thin skin and doesn’t give two fucks if innocent people die because of his idiocy. Literally everything about Trump’s personality leads me to believe that he is likely to start a war with North Korea.

    • BlackKnigh

      There were brief talks between North and South Korea seeking an agreement to come together and form 1 country like Germany did in 1989. No go. Maybe if they formed a neutral country and all the military hardware had to go bye bye – that might work. How to get there is the hard part.

  • Nick

    It’ll be important to learn if there’s any precedent set here in case any of the Bowlen children decide to cash out when they have the opportunity.

    https://twitter.com/soshnick/status/895007996379623424

  • Nick

    I love this brutal honesty by Josh Rosen.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722587-josh-rosen-qa-ucla-qb-on-injuries-ncaa-and-post-nfl-goal-to-own-the-world

    B/R: So football wins out?

    Rosen: Well, you can say that.

    B/R: So that’s reality for student-athletes playing at a major university?

    Rosen: I didn’t say that, you did. (Laughs.) Look, football and school don’t go together. They just don’t. Trying to do both is like trying to do two full-time jobs. There are guys who have no business being in school, but they’re here because this is the path to the NFL. There’s no other way. Then there’s the other side that says raise the SAT eligibility requirements. OK, raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have. You lose athletes and then the product on the field suffers.

    B/R: Wait, some players shouldn’t be in school?

    Rosen: It’s not that they shouldn’t be in school. Human beings don’t belong in school with our schedules. No one in their right mind should have a football player’s schedule, and go to school. It’s not that some players shouldn’t be in school; it’s just that universities should help them more—instead of just finding ways to keep them eligible.

    Any time any player puts into school will take away from the time they could put into football. They don’t realize that they’re getting screwed until it’s too late. You have a bunch of people at the universities who are supposed to help you out, and they’re more interested in helping you stay eligible. At some point, universities have to do more to prepare players for university life and help them succeed beyond football. There’s so much money being made in this sport. It’s a crime to not do everything you can to help the people who are making it for those who are spending it.

    • Nick

      Whoops, wanted to quote one more part:

      B/R: But those same players go make money in the NFL after being prepared by their college programs.

      Rosen: Some do, absolutely. What about those who don’t? What did they get for laying their body on the line play after play while universities make millions upon millions? People criticize when guys leave early for the NFL draft, and then rip them when some guys who leave early don’t get drafted. [They say,] “Why did you leave school if you weren’t going to get drafted?” I’ll tell you why: Because for a lot of guys, there is no other option. They were either leaving early (for the NFL) or flunking out. To me, that’s a problem within the system and the way we’re preparing student-athletes for the future away from football. Everyone has to be part of the process.

      • Yahmule

        Stuff like this is why NFL scouts are anonymously badmouthing him.

      • gobroncos

        This is so true. The system is fucked.

        I’d venture to say that 90% of college football players don’t make the NFL. If it’s not 90%, it’s pretty damn close to that. There are only 32 teams wtih 53 person rosters. Add practice squad in there if you want. That’s like 2000 NFL players employed per season. How many college players are there that get screwed by this system as Rosen says. Alot.

        • Jeremy

          It’s substantially higher (98.5%) if you count all NCAA Football players, including the non bowl subdivision (formerly Division I-AA) and Division II and Division III.

          Limiting to Just Division 1 lowers it to 96.1%
          Limiting to just Division 1 bowl subdivision lowers it to 93.3%
          Limiting to just power 5 conferences, lowers it to 89%.

          This is just the odds of not being drafted in the NFL. So a small portion of these percentages will be UDFAs or will get a shot in the Arena League/CFL.
          http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-professional-athletics

          On the flip side, many who are drafted wash out before they can make any substantial money and will still have to rely on their degree to provide for themselves. Unless you are drafted in the first round, or make it to your second contract, or live very frugally (IE live off of less than 40k/year for your entire life adjusted for inflation including your playing days), even four years of your rookie contract won’t be able to provide enough to support you for the rest of your life. That means you will still be dependant on earning an income after football.

          While I don’t like the current systems and think it’s incredibly unfair to players, it’s important to remember for every Ronsen who is bringing in Millions in revenue while only receiving a college degree, there are many student athletes who are getting a free education while bringing in little or no revenue. The revenue generated by Football powerhouses subsidizes executive/coach pay, exorbitant facilities, and the scholarships for non-revenue sports.

  • Sparks