• Nick

    I wouldn’t have guessed this out of him due to being the son of a Hall of Famer.

    https://twitter.com/nbcsandiego/status/1004973914752073729

    • Nick

      His football career is also a really weird one.
      –He had the infamous “fucking soldier” locker room speech in college.
      –He hired the Poston brothers as his agents, who had a reputation for being very hard to deal with.
      –The Browns rated him so highly that they gave the Lions a 2nd round pick just to move up one measly spot. (The Lions used that pick on Teddy Lehman, who I thought was going to be a stud but ended up being very meh.)
      –He breaks his leg early in his rookie season against the Cowboys.
      –He misses the entirety of his second season from a motorcycle accident that included doing a wheelie.
      –He was one of several Browns that got staph infections.
      –He later has microfracture surgery.
      –Despite all those injuries, he still was able to squeeze out one Pro Bowl year.

      • Yahmule

        Also couldn’t understand why Cleveland wouldn’t let him be a designated pass rusher on defense.

    • DCJ1

      This is kind of bizarre. Park Encinitas is a 55+ mobile home park. Being near the beach in SoCal means $400k+ for a double wide, but I still can’t see it as a real burglary target. There’s definitely more going on here.

    • Sparks
  • bradley

    Jarvis Landry: Browns’ quarterback situation is ‘a lot better than what I had in Miami’

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jarvis-landry-browns-quarterback-situation-is-a-lot-better-than-what-i-had-in-miami/

    • Carsonic

      Interesting to find out that some QBs aren’t interested in those off-season bonding practices. Makes me feel better about our guys/organization.

      • Nick

        If there was enough solidarity among the players they could all collectively skip it. Problem is you’re always going to have low level guys desperate enough to try to prove something to make the roster. The other danger is that if players work out on their own and get seriously hurt, they can be NFIed and risk losing their salary and/or an accrued season.

        • Carsonic

          But it seems like it’s high-level guys who want it more (Keenum, Sanders, Thomas). Agree about the injury risk, though.

  • bradley

    Brinson: 2018 NFL Over-Under Win Totals: Browns poised to be an AFC wild-card contender

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-over-under-win-totals-browns-poised-to-be-afc-wild-card-contender-next-year/

    • Alaskan

      Let’s file this under: Believe It When We See It.

      • DCJ1

        I was wondering if Brinson was into writing alternate reality science fiction. Then I read the article and realized it is high fantasy.

  • bradley

    Broncos depth at cornerback is starting to develop as Roby, Brock battle for No. 2

    https://milehighsports.com/broncos-depth-at-cornerback-is-starting-to-develop-as-roby-brock-battle-for-no-2/

  • Nick

    From the music discussion from yesterday, I went through it and compiled a list of albums that others cited that I have on my regular rotation. But before I get to that, here’s another list of bands no one mentioned but are ones that I have multiple albums of on that regular rotation:

    Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Franz Ferdinand, Gov’t Mule, MGMT, Procol Harum, Queens Of The Stone Age, Sleater-Kinney, Soundgarden, The Strokes, Tame Impala, T.Rex

    Now, here’s that album list that I share with at least one of you here:

    Beatles – Abbey Road
    Beatles – White Album
    Cream – Disraeli Gears
    Cream – Wheels of Fire
    David Bowie – The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars
    The Decemberists – The King is Dead
    Def Leppard – Pyromania
    Dire Straits – Dire Straits
    Led Zeppelin – Houses Of The Holy
    Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin II
    Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin III
    Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin IV
    Pearl Jam – Ten
    Pink Floyd – Dark Side of the Moon
    Pink Floyd – Wish You Were Here
    Radiohead – The Bends
    Radiohead – OK Computer
    Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood Sugar Sex Magik
    Rush – Moving Pictures
    The La’s – The La’s
    The War on Drugs – Lost in the Dream
    The Who – Quadrophenia
    The Who – Who’s Next
    White Stripes – Elephant
    White Stripes – White Blood Cells

    In addition, no specific albums were cited but I have at least one of the following mentioned bands on there too: AC/DC, Jimi Hendrix, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Stevie Ray Vaughan.

    • Yahmule

      A bunch of artists I listened to in the 80’s and 90’s got no mentions. Queen, Bowie, Eurythmics, The Pretenders, Tom Petty, Alison Moyet, Midnight Oil, Oingo Boingo, Rodrigo y Gabriela and others. I don’t think there were many shout outs for Prince, either. I was also surprised to see Adele not mentioned until around 2:00 AM. Very little in the way of Blues or Metal, either. Not a criticism, just an observation. There is just so much great music out there. Nobody could listen to everything.

      • JMac

        Rodrigo y Gabriela at Red Rocks was just amazing!

        • Yahmule

          I’m taking my wife to their return engagement there in a couple of months. :~)

      • Drewredux

        Tom Petty is probably the one artist that has always been in my mix from the start. Pretty much since I first heard “The Waiting”, I’ve been hooked. He has been a mainstain through all my phases, stages and moods.

        He is also the best live show I’ve seen.

      • mikewyd

        Agreed, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Bob Segar, Jackson Browne, Willy Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Steve Winwood, and on and on. Too many blues and country rock artists and songwriters to remember. Lonnie Mack, for instance. In classical music, Luciano Pavarotti, the music of Andrew Loyd Webber, Sara Brightman, my god we are lucky. Current tunes I cannot get out of my head, The Steeldrivers.

  • bradley

    Why the Falcons expect to be a top-5 defense in 2018

    http://www.espn.com/blog/atlanta-falcons/post/_/id/32334/why-the-falcons-expect-to-be-a-top-5-defense-in-2018

    The Falcons return nine of 11 players who started on defense in a 15-10 divisional playoff loss to the eventual Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. It’s still a relatively young unit as defensive end Brooks Reed, at 31, is the only player over 30. But most of the projected starters have at least two years completed in the system.

    • Carsonic

      Had no idea Marquand Manuel was their D coach. If I recall correctly, he wasn’t too great a player for us, was he?

      • Nick

        Among an all time bad defense that was the 2008 Broncos, he was the worst.

        But good for him to forge a new path in coaching.

        • Alaskan

          “Of the teams that finished in the top 5 in either total defense or scoring defense last season, only one — the Denver Broncos [at minus-17] — lost the turnover ratio.” Ouch !

          • QDoc

            Right. So think of how good our D could have been if not consistently put into shitty situations.

      • Jason

        Sometimes great performers are atrocious teachers and vice versa.

        • Sparks

          True. If nothing else, he’d have first hand knowledge on what not to do.

          • Jason

            Somethe least physically gifted must rely on technique and smarts in order to survive. And yes, he can certainly point towards what not to do.

  • bradley

    Alex Guerrero: Julian Edelman PED suspension is “disappointing”

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/07/alex-guerrero-julian-edelman-ped-suspension-is-disappointing/

    “Now Guerrero seems to be distancing himself from Edelman.”

    • gobroncos

      FBI aught to raid his facility. Make sure to do it while Brady is there. This stinks to high heaven.

  • bradley

    Every NFL Team’s Most Overpaid Player

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2778559-every-nfl-teams-most-overpaid-player#slide10

    Denver Broncos: OT Menelik Watson

  • bradley

    What does QB Paxton Lynch’s progress truly mean for the Broncos?

    http://1043thefan.com/2075094/paxton-lynch-progress-broncos/

    Through three weeks of OTAs, among the buzz out of UCHealth Training Center has been Paxton Lynch’s play, specifically the Denver Broncos quarterback looking better than Chad Kelly and, possibly, as good as starter Case Keenum.

    • BABA BOOEY

      I’ll believe it when i see the “progress” in preseason games. I believe there were reports last year of Lynch lighting it up and outplaying the other QB’s during 2017 OTA’s.

    • royalwithcheese

      Does anyone here really believe this?

      • SteveS

        Uh – no. Have to keep in mind that it’s OTAs. I could be wrong, but Lynch, to me, doesn’t seem to possess the necessary processing speed to play NFL QB and I don’t think that’s a skill that can be learned. This sounds more like trying to keep outsiders interested enough to actually offer the Broncos some value for the guy. I’ve been plenty wrong before . . .

        • QDoc

          The dude seems to be a 486DX-33 living in an i7 quad-core world.

          • Carsonic

            Damn. I haven’t thought of that processor in years. I worked as a tester for Disney Interactive and I remember when we got a DX4-100 machine to test on. Man, that felt like a Ferrari at the time.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            Those had that “turbo” button on them, right? I swear that button was connected to nothing more than the LED behind it…

      • Yahmule

        It’s not impossible. Some quarterbacks take a while to figure things out. Testaverde was 30 before he threw more touchdowns than interceptions in an NFL season. Rich Gannon was only allowed to attempt 21 passes in his first three seasons and 1-3 year apprenticeships were actually not that uncommon for young quarterbacks in the 70’s and prior when teams owned you for life.

      • Jason

        Why not?

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      It truly means that any QB needy team would be foolish not to offer us at least a 3rd Rd Pick for this fast rising Star.

    • Steven_Searls

      Buzz by who exactly?

    • GrizzlyB

      It could mean that it’s just OTAs, and that he (or rather, the local beat) has shown us this act before. It could mean that he’s turning it around and showing ability that I’ve never thought he had. It could mean that we have three QBs who are so incredibly studly that any attempt to differentiate between them is an exercise in semantics, and that we’ll probably be able to trade two of them for about a dozen 1sts, allowing the chosen QB to run roughshod over the NFL under the aegis of our unstoppable defense, as we win Super Bowls back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back.

      Or, or… could it mean that he’s being compared with a career backup journeyman and a fringe NFL talent?
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oNokyRhGs-A/Tv4GR7DmWCI/AAAAAAAAA6Q/9Pf_g45E2tM/s1600/is_such_a_thing_even_possible.jpg

      • gnasses

        Could also very well mean that the FO is using friendly reporters and controlled environments to low-key hype a guy they would prefer to trade than keep on a roster.

  • Carsonic
    • Alaskan

      As Bugs Bunny would say: What A Maroon !

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

    • bradley

      Why was Trump going to do that? Ali didn’t exactly stand and salute.

      • MattR

        You want consistency from Trump? Did you hit your head this morning? 😉

      • Rob Rooney

        Ali is a celebrity. That seems to be the top priority for a pardon.

      • DCJ1

        Maybe one of the Kardashians asked him to?

      • Hercules_Rockefeller

        Trump has a few pretty narrow ways of looking at people; winner vs loser, hot vs ugly (the #1 criteria for women), and friend vs. enemy. If you pass either of the first two criteria (Ali’s obviously an all-time winner) you’re automatically in the friend category. That’s until you criticize him, at which point you’re instantly and retroactively an ugly loser. If Muhammad Ali were alive and replied to Trump critically (god what i’d give to hear Ali loudly and publicly own this guy), I guarantee you Trump would rescind his statement in the most offensive way possible… I wouldn’t put it past him to bring a Parkinson’s insult into it.

        • bradley

          “If Muhammad Ali were alive and replied to Trump critically (god what i’d give to hear Ali loudly and publicly own this guy), ”
          Good one. I can almost hear it.

    • bradley

      Billy Crystal’s eulogy of Muhammad Ali

      http://www.slashfilm.com/billy-crystal-muhammad-ali-eulogy/

  • Nick
  • RSH
    • T. Jensen

      If you enjoyed Anthony’s food adventures you might check out https://www.instagram.com/migrationology/ or https://migrationology.com/about/

      He appears to be the nicest guy and has some very interesting meals.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      The increase seems to coincide with the emergence of social media.

      • Sparks

        Nailed it.

      • Yahmule

        IMO, it coincides with a lot of things. Easy access to firearms/less access to mental health care is a pretty lethal combo. The stigmatization of mental health issues preventing even people who might want to get help from seeking it. More people realizing they got shoved overboard by a system that doesn’t care about them. A whole lot more.

        • RSH

          For over two decades now, various factors were pointing towards an epidemic such as this. Less and less individuals feel connected as in the past to family, friends, and neighbors whether its through associations in social, religious, neighborhood, or community organizations, including bowling leagues. http://bowlingalone.com/.

          In a groundbreaking book based on vast data, Putnam shows how we have become increasingly disconnected from family, friends, neighbors, and our democratic structures– and how we may reconnect.

          Putnam warns that our stock of social capital – the very fabric of our connections with each other, has plummeted, impoverishing our lives and communities.

          Putnam draws on evidence including nearly 500,000 interviews over the last quarter century to show that we sign fewer petitions, belong to fewer organizations that meet, know our neighbors less, meet with friends less frequently, and even socialize with our families less often. We’re even bowling alone. More Americans are bowling than ever before, but they are not bowling in leagues. Putnam shows how changes in work, family structure, age, suburban life, television, computers, women’s roles and other factors have contributed to this decline.

          America has civicly reinvented itself before — approximately 100 years ago at the turn of the last century. And America can civicly reinvent itself again – find out how and help make it happen at our companion site, BetterTogether.org, an initiative of the Saguaro Seminar on Civic Engagement at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government.

          • Yahmule

            Being around young people helps. My wife and I attend lots of youth sporting events and you meet a lot of people that way. Having a pet helps. The only reason I know any of my neighbors except the people on either side of me is because I’m walking dogs about six days a week. Actually getting to personally know people you spend hours with online helps. Two guys I know from the NFBC and I will put aside trying to beat each other’s brains out in our auction leagues to go see the Rocks and the Mets in a couple weeks.

            Blaming social media is counter-intuitive, IMO. Maybe some people suffer envy from seeing only the highlights of their friends lives represented in pictures on Facebook. Nobody seems to post the pictures of themselves going through the mundane minutiae of daily life. But you can also find a million topics to get yourself energized about and no shortage of groups looking for people. Social media is a tool and like any other tool, it can be used or misused.

          • Sparks

            You make some good points about social media but when I think of social media and it’s affect on suicide rates, I think of how much easier social media has made bullying. Now instead of calling someone a slut after school in front of your 3 cohorts on the way home, you can call her a slut in front of all 2500 students in a high school. Public shaming has greatly been aided by social media. There is some good to social media but there is also some bad….some very bad.

          • Yahmule

            I agree that it’s awful the way some kids are tormented, but to me, the issue is a culture that values bullies enough to quasi-elect one President while it ignores the marginalizing his victims.

          • Sparks

            I see what you’re saying but bullying didn’t start 18 months ago. It would not surprise me that if social media was as prevalent back in the 80’s as it is today, we’d see an uptick in the suicide rate. I totally agree with you that there are a multitude of reasons for this increase but I believe that social media, and those that use it to hurt, demean and bully is one of those reasons. That platform has allowed bullying to achieve a much wider audience and has increased its effectiveness. That percent change timeframe on that graph was 1999-2016 so it covers the same culture that elected Obama as well – twice.

          • Yahmule

            No, bullying didn’t start 18 months ago. Hostile attitudes about showing empathy towards the weak or disadvantaged in this country have been escalating sharply for four decades. Just as one example, the unbalanced Vietnam veteran was such a prevalent idea in our collective consciousness that it became a movie and TV trope. Actually getting homeless veterans off the street isn’t something that we actually did with any degree of success until recently. The number of homeless vets decreased by over 50% between 2010 and 2016.

            Incidentally, Trump almost immediately tried to slash a $460 million housing program to aid veterans and only backed off because of outcry from advocacy groups.

            December 7, 2017

          • Sparks

            “Hostile attitudes about showing empathy towards the weak or disadvantaged in this country have been escalating sharply for four decades.” Agree. My point is that social media has armed those with hostile attitudes their most advanced weapon to date. I think assholism/bullying is part of human nature, but the ability to reach an infinitely large audience, from the comfort of their own home, often under the guise of “anonymous user” has led to an unprecedented level of bullyism (can’t think of a better word for it) than has ever been seen. All too often, the final result of that cyber-bullying is suicide. I think there’s a good chance it’s only going to get worse.

            I guess there could be the argument that social media is only the tool that hostile people use and shouldn’t bear some of the blame of the results. And that bullying and subsequent suicides would occur with or without social media. I see that as similar to the argument that guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

            I fully realize the hypocrisy of discussing the bad ramifications of social media on a social media forum, but this site would be what I would consider the good side of social media.

          • Yahmule

            I have no doubt that the internet can be used for terrible purposes. Pedohiles, stalkers, scam artists, conspiracy peddlers and other creeps have found their means of satisfying their desires made infinitely easier by the internet. I don’t think the comparison social media to lax gun laws and a society that represents 4% of the world population, over 40% of the world’s guns and virtually all of the world’s mass shootings among our peer countries is a particularly good one. Our gun problem is uniquely American, but the weak kid gets picked on the world over.

          • BlackKnigh

            Bush 43 used to do photo ops with a program – then a couple of days later – cut the funding for it. Must be a new tactic for the new administration….

          • Drewredux

            Good old-fashioned chemical depression, heaped on top all you mention, doesn’t help. There is evidence that it is wildly unreported, even often unrecognized by the sufferer.

    • Nick

      I never would have guessed that Nevada would be the only state to show a decrease. Maybe they’ve long had a high rate to begin with?

      • Yahmule

        Traditionally a very high suicide rate. Some people go there specifically to kill themselves.

        • bradley

          “Leaving Las Vegas”

          • Yahmule

            Las Vegas suicide rate is typically about twice the national average and they estimate only 3% of that is gambling related.

          • T. Jensen

            Elizabeth Shue is still one of my all time crushes

          • bradley

            Have you seen Adventures In Babysitting? Fun movie; her first.

          • T. Jensen

            one of the reasons she’s one of my all time crushes. Granted I first saw it when I was 7 or 8

          • bradley

            It’s available at netflix on line. Love the opening scene.

          • Hank Mardukis

            Hamlet 2 is a great film.

  • Hank Mardukis
    • Nick
      • Hank Mardukis

        Rumor seems to be they’re getting rid of Gronk.

    • Nick

      If this Reddit user is going to break news of a suspension, he needs to do it before 4 PM ET, not 5 PM ET. Summer Fridays at 4 PM ET are the overwhelming favorite time for the NFL to hand down suspensions.

    • Nick

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/8pnj58/as_promised_at_5pm_et_the_major_patriots_story_is/e0cmt5t/

      As promised at 5pm ET, the major patriots story is…

      There is no news! I have zero sources. I’m just some random bozo on the internet that was able to fool national media outlets (listed below), into taking me seriously.

      Why? To prove journalism in 2018 is an absolute joke. I literally guessed on the Edelman news and when it would be reported. As soon as i saw some random beat writer on twitter say “I’ve got bad news about the patriots”, I took a wild guess about Edelman and posted it to Reddit. Anyways I’m sure the patriots fans here will be a mix of happy there’s nothing negative and anger for being lied to. When I first made the post I thought “oh this will just be funny if it ends up being correct”, and that would be the end of it. But then things changed to be more about trolling the media than you guys…

      I wake up the next day to the Edelman news breaking, and NBC’s profootballtalk (among others) writing serious articles about me, speculating that I was an ESPN employee. Even local Boston radio stations were talking about me as if I’m some sort of vigilante. After laughing hysterically for awhile, I decided to see how far I could take this. I thought the best move would be to build hype around a new story coming out, and see if people actually would continue to take me seriously. Sure enough, they have. My inbox has blown up, everything from fans to freelance journalists asking me for tips. All when IM JUST A RANDOM DUDE, I SHOULDN’T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

      Anyways the point is…national media, do better. Don’t take some random guys word on the internet. Sorry to the people of this sub, but hopefully you’ll get some enjoyment out of the hysteria that this caused.

      • Tyler

        Ok but we didn’t know he was just some random dude. He could have been an employee of the Patriots or closely connected in another way like those 76ers twitter accounts.

        Hell, I’m not completely convinced it isn’t someone close to the team who is now covering their ass after that reddit post blew up.

  • Sparks

    So, this is for everyone but especially WSBH – we just had a new hire start here about a month ago. Turns out she’s a very vocal Seahawks fan. Very vocal. Her work area looks like the 12th man vomited all over it. Please feel free to send me anything that degrades them in any way that I may pass on. Pass on in the most polite way possible, of course.

    • RSH

      Good thing that Seahawks fans are not a protected class under federal or Colorado law. 🙂

      • Sparks

        She caught wind I’m a Bronco fan and has worked SB48 into near every conversation. It’s like she is totally forgetting the decades of ass-whooping’s we handed them when they were in the AFCW. She’s nice enough and all but I’ll have no regrets taking them down a notch, or 20. I do bring up “passing from the 1” a lot and that usually quiets her down. I like to predict how many picks Sherman will get in a 9ers uni. I talk a lot about all the talent the Rams have acquired. 🙂

        • Nick

          It’s weird, I still have yet to come across a truly obnoxious Seahawks fan, and there are plenty of them here.

          • Andrew

            Your in Idaho right? Until recently I always thought of Idaho and Western Montana as broncos country but from what I’ve seen recently a lot of people jumped on the Seahawks bandwagon. Was disappointing seeing 12 shit everywhere in St Regis and Missoula.

          • Nick

            Boise’s pretty evenly split between Broncos and Seahawks fans for the top spot. Seahawks games almost always get broadcast preference here, though. It was worse when they were both in the AFC and the Seahawks really sucked while Elway was lighting it up.

          • Nick

            I should also add that college football is way more popular here for obvious reasons.

          • BlackKnigh

            I live south of Missoula. We have quite a number of Bronco fans here. There are some squawkers here – but not many. And our TV coverage is mostly Denver. When they suck – then the networks go elsewhere.

          • Andrew

            Glad to hear Missoula area still represents well. How do you like living there? I’m in eastern WA but wish I was closer to the plethora of blue ribbon fly fishing options near Missoula.

          • BlackKnigh

            This place is world renowned for fly fishing!
            We have lived here since 1997. We love it! We have the Bitterroot mountains to the west and the Sapphires to the east. It still feels like a small town.

          • Yahmule

            The last Raider fan I knew really well was this kid who was so polite and respectful it was literally impossible to bag on the team in front of him. It felt like teasing a black and silver puppy.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          It sounds like you’re off to a good start. Constant reminders that the Seahawks “Dynasty” was cut short by a bad play call, almost always calms them down. The Richard Sherman twist is a nice touch. Make sure to let her know how narcissistic, and self indulgent it is to wear a 12th Man Jersey, or simply ask her why the Seahawk fans are so hell bent on waving Tom Brady’s number around everywhere.

          • Sparks

            Oh, the Tom Brady one is pure Gold. Thanks. FWIW, Denver is 34-21-0 against them.

            https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/denver-broncos/teamvsteam?opp=28

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Don’t waste your time silly facts like an overall head to head, win/loss record. Way too complicated for a Seahawks fan to comprehend. “That’s really cool that you have a flag with your Super Bowl win/loss record on it. “

          • Sparks

            See, I knew you’d have a treasure trove of degradations. Awesome.

          • Jason

            Don’t forget Bo Jackson vs Brian Bosworth.

        • gobroncos

          That’s because she wasn’t a fan during those years. Like most seachickens fans, she’s a bandwagoner.

          • gnasses

            So true. My buddy from HS moved to Texas for years and never adopted a team, but just became a more casual broncos fan. Then he moved to Seatle a couple years ago and is all ‘go hawks’ and getting butthurt if I talk smack about Russel Wilson, or make jokes about Marhsawn Lynch.

    • Jason

      Get her a Richard Sherman jersey in 49er red.

    • Andrew

      I live in WA and mostly the whole 12th man thing has died off after they haven’t been SB contenders for a few years, but they can be a pretty annoying fanbase check out Drew Magery’s Why your team sucks if your looking for material.
      https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2017-seattle-seahawks-1798657931

  • Nick

    Mahomes makes his list, and Keenum doesn’t. Also, Joe Flacco should be #1 with a bullet, and it’s not close.

    https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/1005132666558144512

  • Hank Mardukis
    • Carsonic

      Wow, seems like he really wants to get his pardoning muscles in shape… for some reason.

      • bradley

        I saw something the other day suggesting he was considering he should pardon himself (to get Mueller off his back).

        • Hercules_Rockefeller

          Frankly, I’d love to see that happen. It’s an interesting and untested legal question. My guess is it would get fast tracked to the Supreme Court. I think the justices would recognize it as a critical constitutional issue that transcends ideology and politics.

          • Nick

            I could just as easy see SCOTUS treat it as a nonjusticiable political question. That would be a mess they may not want to touch with a 40 foot pole.

            It seems to me that if a sitting president was convicted of a crime, if still president that person could issue a self pardon. But one would hope that before it got all the way to the end of the legal path, the political path would first result in a successful impeachment so that the pardoning power is deprived.

            I wish Ford’s “pardon” of Nixon had got challenged in the courts, though–I don’t see how you can pardon someone when there’s no conviction to pardon that person from. I guess you could argue that that was just political dicta with no real legal effect, though.

          • Yahmule

            The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, in a well-timed a preemptive strike, concluded that a president didn’t have the option to self pardon. Nixon resigned four days later.

          • bradley

            I always wondered if Nixon told Ford he could be President if he promised the pardon.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            I don’t think he had any leverage at that point. What would he have done if he made that offer and Ford refused? roll the dice on impeachment?

            There was a politically damning amount of circumstantial evidence mounting, but I don’t know if there was enough direct evidence to make a good criminal case. Between impeachment and criminal prosecution I think Impeachment might have been the bigger risk.

          • BlackKnigh

            I agree with your point about Ford’s pardon of Nixon being challenged in the courts. When pardons are issued as Trump is doing – it is sort of like Catholics going to confession right after they committed a mortal sin. “Oh, I’ll just get it erased by the priest.”
            IMO I think Nixon should have had the opportunity to clear his name. The pardon denied him that right. Even though he looked like he was guilty as hell – he still should have had that right under the constitution.

          • Sparks

            The 12 year old in me (which is probably a much larger portion that it should be at this point in my life) almost always reads ‘SCOTUS’ as something completely different.

          • Hercules_Rockefeller

            It’s definitely a mess, and i wouldn’t want to touch it with a 40 foot pole either. But it addresses a fundamental question about separation of powers that I don’t think SCOTUS can avoid. I understand that impeachment would still provide a political check on the president and that’s a check that is not at risk. But an unlimited power to self-pardon essentially puts the president above the law, and that may be a line that SCOTUS doesn’t think the constitution can cross.

            On the other hand, using pardons to influence and investigation that may lead to an inpeachment arguably does harm the separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches, so that could be a pretty clear problem.

        • bradley

          It just occurred to me that if he did pardon himself, he could no longer take the 5th.

        • DCJ1

          A self-pardon would not avoid impeachment (even Rudy “Loose Cannon” Giuliani says it would lead to immediate impeachment on “fitness to govern” grounds). It would in fact be tantamount to self-incrimination and self-immolation. As Nick pointed out, it is unclear if someone can be pardoned without a conviction, indictment, or a specific crime — is is possible to grant a blanket pardon for any type of malfeasance that may have occurred, especially prior to him being president? Otherwise he would have to state which crimes he was pardoning himself for…

    • Hercules_Rockefeller

      All of a sudden he really likes talking about pardons. Perhaps it might have the effect of reminding people that he has the power to issue pardons and skews the perception of presidential pardons to being an every day sort of presidential task. No big deal, he can pardon people whenever he likes, he’ll even take suggestions. Nothing to see here folks, just some more presidential pardons…

    • Yahmule
      • Hank Mardukis

        No argument here.

  • Jason

    More off season filler. How many of you have heard of the Land and Water Conservation Fund?

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2315051/zinke-turn-his-back-greatest-land-access-program

    • RyanHennigan

      I work for USBR under DOI. So count me as one person who has heard of it.

    • G Mik

      Shit like this makes you wonder wtf is going on (ok this and many others)? These items are a no brainer.

      • RyanHennigan

        I wouldn’t always say that. Sometimes these funds really have nothing useful to fund in a given fiscal year and the money is wasted on some really useless things. Then the next year there are worth while projects. In general though there is much needed infrastructure upgrades all over the place.

        • Jason

          Yes, there are. Although the LWCF was not created nor intended for that. Unfortunately, Rob Bishop views the LWCF as a cash cow for funding the backlog of maintenance in our national parks and forests.

          It’s sad how 1) the LWCF can’t even get to full funding and 2) is used to further the agenda of the American Lands Council as a symbol of government overreach.

          Rob Bishop flat out said in a podcast the LWCF was used to make lots of money for conservation non profits, which is as outright of a lie as was ever told.

          There is a LOT of public land that is landlocked and unavailable to the general public. I’d love to see s fully funded LWCF used to address this via access easements and land trades.

  • RSH
    • RyanHennigan

      Interesting, I sure hope so. McCoy really screwed up last year.

      • RSH

        Which was really disappointing based on his track record for tailoring offenses to fit his personnel and quarterbacks. Having Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers really messed with McCoy’s offensive mindset.

        • ohiobronco

          They really would have been better going straight to Musgrave after Kubiak’s staff left. I know Musgrave’s WCO has differences with Kubiak’s but he could have maintained continuity better than McCoy. Nothing against McCoy as a coach but completely upending the system with two young QBs was a huge mistake. However, timing of events wise, they had already committed to McCoy when Musgrave became available. So going with him from the start wasn’t really an option.

          Thanks for the link, I will listen on the way home.

          • G Mik

            Sadly, I think this was what Elway wanted and VJ got his way. Leading me to question if we are in good hands moving forward.

          • RSH

            Either Elway is a liar, or Joseph really wanted McCoy, and McCoy let him down. https://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/12/vance-joseph-attacking-offense/

            “Attacking,” Joseph said. “As a defensive coach if an offense is conservative, I love it because I can be the attacker. … Obviously defense wins championships, but you have to score points. I want an offense with swagger and an offense that’s up-tempo.”

            Former San Diego coach Mike McCoy is expected to be the Broncos’ new offensive coordinator, a role he had before landing the Chargers job four years ago. The Broncos quickly recognized him as their top candidate after Joseph was hired and he interviewed for the position Thursday afternoon shortly after Joseph’s introduction news conference.

            McCoy was the Broncos’ offensive coordinator from 2009-2012.

            Former Raiders offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave is still interviewing with the Broncos Friday as previously scheduled. He’s been Denver’s No. 2 option at offensive coordinator, but the Broncos may also try to sell him on another staff position to get both him and McCoy. . . .

            “I want coordinators who put players first and scheme second,” Joseph said. “If it’s not for our players, let’s not do it.”

          • G Mik

            I may not have written it clearly but I was saying that Elway probably wanted Musgrave but he let Vance decide. Or maybe you understood me and I don’t understand the reply. What be the last time I’m confused.

        • G Mik

          Not sure I agree about McCoy. I debated with folks here about that before last season and I think the thought was because he changed his offense for Tebow that this was his MO (as if he had a choice) and that he would have an offense for Lynch and an offense for T Sizzle. It just doesn’t work that way. He has his offense and he’ll implement it where ever he goes. Hopefully for him he learned his lesson last year that it shouldn’t be a damn novel.

          • RSH

            I am a big McCoy fan, but when the team is running plays in games that it has not practiced all week, there is an issue, particularly with a roster littered with inexperienced quarterbacks.

            https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/932659652797411328
            https://soundcloud.com/1043thefan/chad-kelly-live-from-stoneys-the-drive-42618

          • GrizzlyB

            Yep, it was definitely all on the playcalling. I don’t think we had a single week of practices that weren’t great, so it has nothing to do with the way they were structured. And if anything, flipping QBs on a daily basis for the entirety of OTAs and training camp made the installs easier.

          • G Mik

            I’m no longer a fan of his or have much confidence in his abilities. Not sure how you make those mistakes – it’s just not logical for someone who knows the game as well as he does. Here are my thoughts: 1) The offense was far better under Gase than McCoy. Same personnel. 2) The offense under Tebow was putrid – I don’t blame him – but I won’t give him credit for changing things up when he really had no choice. Like none. 3) Manning and Rivers can make anyone look like they know what they’re doing. 4) His mistakes last year are so bad I’m not sure he is the whiz we made him out to be.

            That said, I have no ill-will and wish him the best of luck moving forward. I’m sure he learned a lot about what not to do.

          • T. Jensen

            That’s a good point. I think great coaches are able to balance players and schemes. Yes I have an scheme I want to run but I don’t have the personnel to run it correctly, so I’m going to adjust this or that. Sometimes the adjustment needs to be simplify the playbook, Lynch and Tebow just can’t go onto the field with a bible in their heads, Manning and Rivers probably can. Manning can’t rollout the way Lynch can so if that is a feature maybe rollouts are reduced or increased depending on the QB.

            Good GM’s set up the coach to the point that they shouldn’t have to adjust their schemes too much.

            I don’t feel like McCoy was willing to adjust at all last year.

          • Drewredux

            Yeah. The mistake was probably hiring McCoy in the first place. Beyond that, I think personnel might have contributed a wee bit to McCoy’s bottom line.

          • G Mik

            I’m not sure any of else felt like hiring him was a bad idea. I certainly didn’t (Elway might have as Musgrave is his guy). Of course hindsight is 20/20. I just knew he would implement his offense which was counter to how people feel about him as an OC which to me is a big misnomer. As for the mistakes we agree:
            1) Having an excessively long playbook for 2 very young QBs is nothing shy of stupidity
            2) Calling plays that aren’t practiced during the week is also not advised
            3) Personnel. Ha.
            4) Rookie HC who should have stepped in at any time to shorten the book and make sense of the offense

          • Drewredux

            I think he, they, some of us overestimated TS. Beyond that, I’m not sure any OC has an answer for limited QB + dumpster fire at RT/LG + limited RBs + limited viable targets for the ball.

            I, too, liked the idea of McCoy. But maybe sticking with the WCO was the easier route.

            McCoy certainly exacerbated his problems, but John set him a shitty table.

    • BlackKnigh

      Musgrave has been QB coach and OC for several other teams. He did a good job in Oakland. You could see the difference his not being there last season made.
      Great for Denver! Plus he picks Kubiak’s mind. IMO Kubiak was one of the best OCs Denver has had.

  • Drewredux

    https://twitter.com/milehighhuddle/status/1005213365231210497?s=21

    I would say SI is being a little rough, but it’s hard not to miss the discrepancy between the average national view of the Broncos and the average local view.

    I’ve noticed MHH expects pretty much everything to break perfect (which is pretty standard in the market): ‘17 Keenum is real, the oline will somehow improve exponentially, Jake Butt and a bunch of rooks will be as awesome as dreamable, etc….

    I hope so, too. I just wonder how realistic hitting on all those things really is.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      If the offense can just generate a few first downs now and then the improvement will be significant enough to get them over .500.

      • Drewredux

        I wonder if an SI like disaster wouldn’t be better long-term than skidding along at 8-8 this year and the next?

        • Steven_Searls

          What would help (though highly unlikely) would be

          1) Keenum turned a corner last year and becomes a franchise QB, and

          2) OL makes huge strides to become a strength, not a weakness.

          Before you slam me, remember I did say that both of these are very unlikely to occur simultaneously.

          But a fella can dream …

          • Drewredux

            I’m dreaming for the same things. 😀

            I’m just thinking, if it comes to Keenum is just worth 8-8, I could swallow just downright sucking for another year if it resulted in a solid long-term QB prospect.

            I’d rather Keenum is Gannon 2.0, that Bolles has matured, that McGovern beats out Garcia, that Butt and either Sutton/Hamilton take pressure off DT/ES, and that R. Freeman is a more explosive CJ, etc. It just seems like a lot of moving parts.

          • bradley

            Also, Veldheer and Leary need to stay healthy.

          • Drewredux

            Veldheer needs to not be the latest injury prone LT who can’t play RT worth a crap.

          • bradley

            Well, but do we know he can’t play RT?

          • Drewredux

            He didn’t grade well at RT in Az. Started to improve, but then got injured.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Maybe. I remember the Shanahan era where, in my mind, he milked two or three more wins from teams who probably wouldn’t otherwise have earned them, thereby damaging his chances to improve the roster. This defense, though, in my opinion, isn’t far removed from dominance. And a merely functional offense gets the team to the playoffs, where anything can happen. Especially when Von Miller plays for our team.

  • Drewredux
    • Yahmule

      So, is this guy Tim Kurkjian’s son?

  • Drewredux
    • bradley

      Who’s the babe? His granddaughter?

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        It’s Bill’s Beli-chick.

        • Steven_Searls

          His personal trainer?

      • Drewredux

        I don’t know. I was just trying to provide balance.

    • Yahmule

      *Gasp!* Reporters making up rumors? This is just unprecedented.

      I wish Jayson Blair or Janet Cooke would do an exposé on this story.

      • Drewredux

        That first one had so much specific info that I impulse posted it.

        The second— this one— just made me feel naive. 😀

  • Yahmule

    This is absolutely sickening.

    June 9, 2018

    • bradley

      Holy Hell. Hope those cops get what’s coming to them.

      • Yahmule

        Even if that had been the alleged perpetrator, that takedown was just ridiculous. He’s completely out of his feet when he takes that last straight right which smashes the back of his skull into the wall.

        • TiredOfWinning

          What was the alleged crime? There’s simply no exigency unless there’s a kidnapped child, or he’s raving killer. The police need to slow the f down, and take their time assessing situations and people.

          • Yahmule

            He didn’t even have a chance to surrender. One second, he’s idly checking his cell phone and the next he’s got a bunch of roided up lunatics ready to take out their aggressions on him.

          • Jason

            The cops were investigating a domestic violence call. Supposedly he was told to sit down and refused. Mesa PD will lose their ass on this one.

            Close handed strikes aren’t even remotely appropriate for passive resistance. They aren’t always appropriate for active resistance, unless the suspect is assaultive.

          • Steven_Searls

            He was a friend of someone living in an apartment to which the cops were called over in response to a domestic dispute. That’s literally all he was. What this footage doesn’t show (but I’ve seen elsewhere) is that he cooperated when they searched him for weapons, and he went over to the wall and leaned on it when they told him to do that, and then they just beat the crap out of him, and charged him with disorderly conduct and failure to comply with police orders. Total bs.

      • Steven_Searls

        They are currently suspended with pay. I’m sure they will be reinstated. Eventually Mesa will settle Robert Johnson’s lawsuit, and the cycle will repeat itself. We only know about this incident because ot was caught on video not controlled by cops.

    • Hank Mardukis

      And some people think kneeling for the anthem is more egregious.

      • Kush-Lash

        Amen

    • Tyler

      Jesus Christ. There’s no fucking accountability.

    • G Mik

      Maybe there will finally be convictions. Wishful thinking anyway.

      • Jason

        Given the DOJ is already looking at Mesa PD, I don’t think this one will slide under the radar unless Trump pardons all of them.

        • Yahmule

          DOJ issued an utterly scathing report on the Baltimore PD, yet all six cops who were charged in the murder of Freddie Gray are back to work in different details. The Gray family did receive $6.4 million, but plaintiffs in lawsuits against Denver police and sheriffs totaled $14.5 million from 2014-16. Taxpayers are always on the hook for these fatal or life changing encounters.

  • Yahmule
    • Yahmule

      The obsequious lickspittle drives the lane and his weak ass shit is rejected.

      June 9, 2018