• The Color Orange

    It’s STILL not draft week.

    • Carsonic
    • RSH

      But it is probably NFL Schedule Release Week!

  • bradley

    Colin Kaepernick shares powerful reminder of Jackie Robinson’s stance on the anthem

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/colin-kaepernick-anthem-jackie-robinson-mlb-stance-quote-tweet-stand-flag-nfl

    “I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world.”

  • bradley
  • bradley

    Sammy Watkins is ‘convinced’ he’s actually some kind of lizard person

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/nfl-chiefs-sammy-watkins-lizard-reptilian-solar-being-twitter

    “I’m a whole different species im convince im not a human never was im more like a advance reptilian solar being I’m very powerful it’s kinda scares me lol…”

  • The Color Orange
    • OnionKnight

      If Chubb is there, I hope he would sprint to put his card in

    • Kndh19

      Why are the Broncos so bad at hiding their draft day intentions. Why would they tell their step by step plan to Peter King. Hopefully, it is smoke and mirrors but history says it probably isn’t. Having said that, I do like this plan a lot.

    • RSH

      This was encouraging to read.

      King states that Elway views Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson as a “long-time great guard” who could anchor the Broncos offensive line for years to come. Pretty strong words about a player who has been widely connected to the Broncos throughout the process.

  • bradley
    • Nick

      I’m trying to think of moments when Harrison went up against the Broncos, and all I’m coming up with is when he ridiculously called Kyle Orton of all people a dirty player after he picked him off in a preseason game.

      • BlackKnigh

        Harrison should talk. I remember the hit he put on JJ Arrington in the SB a few years back. Totally unnecessary as it was away from the play.
        He always played hard – I’ll give him that.

  • Nick
  • royalwithcheese
  • Nick

    I have another survey for all of you to fill out–it’s shorter than the last one, but hopefully just as informative:

    https://in-thinair.com/2018/04/16/who-is-the-top-five-on-your-2018-draft-board-for-the-broncos/

  • Nick

    Maybe you should have considered the quality of the front office a little more before you signed that extension, Keenan.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Da6OIwJUMAA7t3e.jpg

  • The Color Orange
  • Hank Mardukis

    Apropos to his comments on Jackie Robinson day yesterday.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I0cUTXwr-k

    • JMac

      Interesting charts! It feels to me like many people have moved past the “he’s not a good quarterback” argument, and are more likely to say things like “NFL teams are private organizations. They can do what they want and hire/fire whomever they want”

      Which leads to two thoughts:
      1) Damn, people are ignorant of labor laws. Particularly those in states other than their own (Colorado is an at-will work state, but not all of them are – try that argument in CA and see how far it gets you)
      2) Pretenses are starting to be dropped. We live in a significantly different political climate than we did when the kneeling first started. It’s sad that people aren’t even trying to understand the other side (this goes both ways), but now people aren’t even bothering to try and spin it as a performance issue…

      • T. Jensen

        Most arguments I’ve seen are he’s not a good enough QB to start/pay starter money to and I wonder if he is willing to take a back up QB contract.

        Most backups make between 4 and 8 with a few higher quality QB’s around 10.

        His extension had him at 19 and that was on the high side for the time. (It’s since gone up obviously)

        He supposedly was not willing to renegotiate his contract when we were trying to trade for him.

        Is he willing to take 6 million and sit on the bench?

        Also conspiracy theory me wonders, does signing with a team hurt his movement? The longer he stays unsigned the more people will talk about the injustice of it.

        • JMac

          That certainly was an argument, the counter that I read was that people aren’t even having initial conversations with him or his agent. I haven’t heard that argument for a while, and the Seattle conversation went nowhere fast from the Club side (not CK) even though he would certainly have known he was a backup there.

  • The Color Orange
    • Nick

      Would they have to trade back up to get Hernandez, though?

      • The Color Orange

        Probably, but they certainly have the ammo to do it.

    • RSH

      Definitely. Add in a second round pick, Buffalo, and this offer would be really enticing.

    • Sparks

      Assuming that a trade could be had AND the players they want would be available to them come their selections, I still think Nelson > Ward+Hernandez.

      • The Color Orange

        Disagree. I love Quenton Nelson as much as anyone and would be thrilled to get him, but Ward+Hernandez > Nelson. And I don’t think it’s particularly close.

        • Sparks

          Funny. I’m at the exact opposite of that ‘not particularly close’ spectrum.

          • The Color Orange

            You have a five-win team that just lost a top corner and has a bad offensive line. You can add either: (1) the best guard in the draft; or (2) the second best guard in the draft AND the best corner in the draft. Come on.

          • Sparks

            I said this last week, but if you think of Nelson as ‘just a guard’ then yes, what you’re saying makes sense. To me, he’s much more than that. He would inject a attitude/nastiness this team sorely needs. Plus he has the ability to play other positions than G and excel. Last, IMO, the drop-off from Nelson to Hernandez is significant. While it’s true that Hernandez is the 2nd best G in the draft, it’s like saying that Lynch was the third best QB in his draft. While it was true, it didn’t properly quantify what a large drop-off that truly meant.

          • T. Jensen

            Lynch was rated as the 3rd best QB in his draft but he wasn’t the 3rd best QB.

            Currently I’d rank him 5th but only because the people below him haven’t proven anything either.

            1 Wentz
            2 Goff
            3 Prescott
            4 Brisset
            5 Lynch

          • Nick

            Has Brissett really proven anything either?

          • T. Jensen

            true, though I’d still rank him higher than Lynch at this point. Which could change down the line. I mean our starting QB is Keenum…

        • T. Jensen

          I agree. The draft hype on Nelson is crazy. It might come true (the tape is truly amazing) but I’ve seen just as many sure thing players turn out to just be mediocre or flat out busts. There is no guarantee Nelson will have a better career than Hernandez.

          Getting the second best Guard and the best CB would be freaking amazing.

      • Yahmule

        And there is zero guarantee you get either one @ 12 and 22.

    • Russ

      I’d consider this a win, but I’d rather see them receive a 2019 first rounder instead. (As I’ve said before) with the current QB situation, it makes more sense to postpone your decision on Keenum vs rookie by a year. See what Keenum has to offer, if it’s clear he’s not as good as his contract warrants, use your two picks to trade up for whomever the 2019 phenom QB is.

      • Sparks

        I agree. Add a 2019 1st rounder as well and then the deal gets substantially better.

        • Russ

          And I don’t think that’s an outlandish asking price. Forget the “trade value” chart. If Buffalo or AZ really want their QB they’re gonna have to pay the price. The past few years have proven that teams that are desperate enough to move into the top-5 for a QB are willing to scrap the value chart. I even think, given the right circumstance, Buffalo would be willing to part with 12 + 53 or 56 + next year’s first. That would be a hell of a win in my book, especially if by chance Denzel Ward is still there.

          • Yahmule

            12 + 22 + 2019 first round pick

            For

            5 + conditional 2019 second rounder if Bills 2019 pick is top 5.

          • PiperAR

            Going back to 2011, there has been only 1 “forget the trade value chart” deal, RG3. The optimism that Denver would even get what The Chart suggests (most top 10 picks are traded for less than The Chart suggests) let alone a nice premium simply isn’t supported by history.

          • Russ

            Well, I’ll take your word for it because i neither have the time nor inclination to go back and calculate the numbers, but a couple trades that come to mind are Philly for Wentz, StL/LA for Goff, KC for Mahomes. And ok, so you’re assuming this is some ordinary #5 pick. I’d argue that there’s real potential for some team’s #1 player (QB) on their board to be there when the Broncos are looking to trade back, which makes it much more valuable than the value chart would indicate.

          • PiperAR

            Trades that involve future-year picks are hard because the value of the future pick has to be estimated.

            Buffalo sent pick #10 to KC for pick #27, 3rd round pick #91, and 2018 first round pick. The point value for that future pick comes to 484 or current year pick #41. The question is, was the 2018 first round pick, which turned out to be #22, worth more, less, or about the same as 2017 #41?

            Trading back to the high teens would get Denver a high 2nd round pick or a 2019 first. If multiple teams fall in love with same QB it might drive up the price of the #5. But the next five teams, Indy, Tampa, Chicago, SanFran, and Las Oakland are unlikely to pick a QB, driving the price down.

            Arizona could send it’s first, second, third, and sixth round picks and would still owe Denver 18 draft value points. If I’m Arizona, I’m not sure I would pay that steep a price. And I’d prefer Denver not move down that far.

      • gobroncos

        If we do this, who’s going to be the top QB’s next year? Is there anyone that stands out? If it’s just one, or even two, will we have the firepower to go up and get them? Even if our 1st round is a middling pick, and the one we get from whoever, is a middling pick, getting to 1 or 2 won’t be easy.

    • Tim

      Would you rather draft Nelson and trade back up for Oliver or trade down a couple spots, grab Ward, then trade back up and grab Hernandez?

      Nelson/Oliver or Ward/Hernandez?

      • The Color Orange

        The latter because then you still have your second round pick.

        • Tim

          I agree, I would be pretty happy with a Ward/Hernandez combo. Although I still want Rosen or Mayfield

  • The Color Orange

    Ian Rapoport talks about Josh Rosen and the Broncos. Begins at 4:00.

    https://orangeandblue760.iheart.com/featured/purely-broncos/content/2018-04-16-ian-rapoport/

  • JMac

    Wow, the Zero1 really out-performs everything else (in lab tests at least) – would love to see some feedback from real-world tests. I have a feeling that people get pretty attached to a helmet brand/model and I’m guessing that happens early. I wonder what VICIS are doing at the high-school/college level to breed familiarity.

    https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/985939126833774592

  • The Color Orange
    • Prater2Beadles4Six

      -20% chance they draft Rosen sounds reasonable.

  • The Color Orange
  • The Color Orange
  • The Color Orange
    • SteveS

      I’m shocked, I’m telling you, shocked!

    • gobroncos

      I heard this on OPB. Why does this even matter?

      • Yahmule

        Probably because he devoted dozens of hours on that propaganda station criticizing the FBI and Mueller for the raid on Cohen’s office without divulging his connection to the President’s embattled fixer fucker-upper. .

        April 16, 2018

        • gobroncos

          But this is unethical on the part of Sean Hannity. It doesn’t seem illegal. What does it have to do with Trump?

          • Yahmule

            Nobody is saying this is unethical on Trump’s part. It would be about 1187th on the list of unethical shit he’s involved in right now anyway.

            Sean Hannity is a guy who tormented Seth Rich’s parents with lies about their murdered son for the better part of a year, even after they quite literally begged him to stop. He is loathed by people who possess common human decency, so seeing him squirming again is newsworthy. Also, it’s very relevant that Fox is up to their eyeballs in blatant deception again. Maybe some of the people who watch it will care one day.

          • gobroncos

            True. I think ethics should play a stronger part in our laws. Seem to me like these guys get away with too much.

  • Carsonic
  • RSH
  • RSH
  • Been listening to Erick Treckel who does Periscope chats on Twitter and here are some tidbits I can share.

    * The Broncos would prefer to trade down from No. 5 at this point, though it sounds like if Baker Mayfield does fall to No. 5, he’ll be the pick.
    * Why not Quenton Nelson? Because while the Broncos like him, Sean Kugler really likes Will Hernandez. No, the Broncos will not take Hernandez at No. 5, but if they are able to trade down, the ideal candidate is the Bills and they would want the No. 12 and No. 19 picks as part of the trade down. Then they would target Hernandez at No. 19 and another player at No. 12 (Roquan Smith and Denzel Ward are the likely targets).
    * If no trade down, the Broncos are leaning toward Smith or Ward at No. 5 and will consider moving back up into the first round if Hernandez slides down the board.
    * It doesn’t sound like the Broncos would pick Josh Rosen if he’s there at No. 5.

    Keep in mind that’s only based on the source Treckel has with the Broncos — as with any team source, sometimes a team goes a different direction than the source says, but other times the source is proven correct.

    If you want to hear from Erick on his Periscope chat, you should be able to access it here.

    https://twitter.com/ErickTrickel/status/985958243896705024

    From a personal perspective, the only move at No. 5 that would make me throw a fit is if Josh Allen is the pick. I wouldn’t object to the other three QBs, Quenton Nelson, Roquan Smith, Saquon Barkley or Bradley Chubb. And I won’t object to a trade down.

    With that said, there is nothing to suggest that Josh Allen will be the pick.

    • Nick

      The Nelson/Hernandez dynamic does make common sense.

      One nitpick: the Bills’ second pick is #22, not #19. Doubt that materially alters the Hernandez plan, though.

      • RSH

        Hopefully, the Bengals do not want/select Hernandez at #21.

      • Yahmule

        It’s not like they’re comparable players. Schlereth, for example, loves Hernandez but he says he’s simply not in Nelson’s league.

        • RSH

          Would you rather have Vea/Ward/Smith/Edmunds and Hernandez or Nelson?

          • Yahmule

            My pick of those four or one of those four? Because it’s very possible only one will be there @ 12.

          • Yahmule

            And very possible someone scoops us for Hernandez, too.

    • Tim

      What’s the reasoning behind passing on Rosen? Is it health concerns?

    • The Color Orange

      He says right in the first minute that if they stay at 5 they’ll take Nelson or Smith.

    • Yahmule

      I fucking knew when we signed Kugler he was going to fuck this up for us.

    • royalwithcheese

      Smith would be an odd pick after resigning Davis. Is he going to send Davis/Marshall to the bench? To be clear, I think Smith is better than both of them and would be a great pick, even though 5 seems too high.

      • RSH

        If Smith is the target, I think that the Broncos will trade back. Oakland may want him at #10, so trading back with Buffalo may not do the trick.

        • masonjar

          With the recent legal troubles, San Francisco might be in the mix for Smith as well.

    • The Color Orange

      Interestingly, he claims that they’re talking to Buffalo about moving down and if they do so, it will be before the draft. And Buffalo then wants to move from 5 to 2. Buffalo’s going to use most of their draft getting up to 2.

      • RSH

        Josh Allen is winning over the Bills’ hearts on his visit to Buffalo as we speak.

      • Yahmule

        I’m of the piss-on-what-Buffalo-wants mentality.

        • Tim

          What if we got their first round next year? With Allen starting and no oline, could be a top 5-10 pick next year

          • Yahmule

            If they want to do this:

            12 + 22 + 2019 first round pick

            For

            5 + conditional 2019 second rounder if Bills 2019 pick is top 5.

            Otherwise, giving away all our leverage by making a pre draft deal is not wise, IMO.

          • OnionKnight

            I want 12,22 one of their 3rds this year plus their one next year

          • Yahmule

            I like the way you think.

          • gobroncos

            That seems kinda rich, doesn’t it? I mean, the draft value chart add up for that.

            5th pick is worth 1700.

            12th and 22nd are worth 1200 and 780 respectively.

            I realize they’re going to have to give up a bit more to move up to 5th, but just those two is a 280 difference in our favor. Add in an equivalent 1st round pick next year, say, the 12th pick again, at 600 points, plus one of their third rounders, even at the bottom of the 3rd round is worth 116 pts. That’s a total of almost a thousand point over what the 5th round pick is worth. You really think they’ll go for that?

          • OnionKnight

            You’re losing huge value by dropping to 12. Also if their QB is still there, they will pay to get him

          • gobroncos

            How do next years picks factor in the value charts, i.e., what’s the reduction in value? 50%?

          • Yahmule

            The rule of thumb is that a pick a year later is worth a round less in value, but, like every general guideline, there are multiple exceptions to this. I know I would much prefer Buffalo’s number one in 2019 over their second rounder this year and it’s not even close.

          • Nick

            Strongly concur with that last sentence.

          • gobroncos

            Which also means they’d be loathe to give up their 2019 1st in lieu of their 2nd this year.

          • Yahmule
    • BlackKnigh

      If Denver trades down – they might want to make sure they land Hernandez at #12. He may be gone by the time they pick again. There were a lot of lousy offensive lines the past 2-3 years – not just in Denver the last 2.

      • Nick

        If I’m another team that wants Hernandez, I make sure I’m ahead of Denver when I pick him. The Sean Kugler connection is way too obvious.

        • RSH

          IMHO, Cincinnati at #21 poses the greatest threat if the Broncos trade with Buffalo.

        • BlackKnigh

          All the more reason to make sure your pick at #5 is for the best OL guy in the draft.
          I want more pancakes in Denver’s future!

          • RSH

            The new corporately sponsored stadium name will be IHOP Field at Mile High.

          • Nick

            Daryl Gardener has permanently scarred that sponsorship possibility.

          • BlackKnigh

            Thanks for the laugh! Wasn’t quite the pancakes I had envisioned – but pretty good.

      • Yahmule

        Reaching for Hernandez @ 12, would be a terrible sign, IMO. It would really indicate a scouting department with no confidence at all.

    • We should stop with the trend of letting position coaches pick players. Hernandez may be good, but there isn’t one report that pegs him as a generational talent as they do Nelson.

      • Yahmule

        +1,000,000,000,000,000

        It has only fucked us. They’re coaches, not scouts. They’re not grading a whole position group. They’re advocating for one guy they’re personally biased towards.

    • Alaskan

      Who wouldn’t like an Alaskan ?

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      My favorite player from the 2015 Draft. Went to a Buffs game and saw him rack up like 18 tackles and snag an interception.

      • masonjar

        Likewise. Saw him win a well-deserved MVP in the Alamo Bowl. Kendricks was the most electric player I had seen in that game since LaVar Arrington.

  • RSH

    I voted for Pre-2007 Mike Shanahan or Doug Pederson.

    https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/985906004691910656

    • T. Jensen

      Shanahan, Coughlin, Pederson

    • VonSwenson

      Since it doesn’t specify the game, I choose (deep) mud wresting, and want to see Belichick go up against John Madden.

  • The Color Orange
    • Tim

      I really want to know why the Broncos are not interested in Rosen

      • FarAwayBroncoFan

        Well, they did express support for Gorsuch on Broncos letterhead…so, maybe…

        • Tim

          But they also have Brandon Marshall. It’s got to be much more than political leanings to pass on him. Is it injury concerns?

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Ahh. Good point. Maybe a combination of both? I don’t know. If he’s there at 5, I’d like to see them snag him.

      • RSH

        Charles Robinson reported that the Broncos had a lot of interest in Rosen, but that was two-and-a-half months ago. https://sports.yahoo.com/race-kirk-cousins-broncos-appear-head-start-070056486.html

        A league source familiar with the Broncos’ front office told Yahoo Sports that general manager John Elway and personnel rover Gary Kubiak believe that UCLA’s Rosen has the purest passing stroke in this draft. An appreciation that is said to be so strong, Rosen would be a virtual lock at the fifth overall pick if he was still on the board. Of course, it’s also January and there are other phases of assessment ahead.

        • Tim

          Which is why I am wondering why the Broncos would rather trade down than draft him if he was available. I feel like I’m missing something

          • T. Jensen

            That was pre Keenum. They might like him just not as much as they like Case…

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Maybe a smoke screen?

      • The Color Orange
  • Nick

    Damn. I really liked him coming out of the draft, I wouldn’t mind Denver at least bringing him in for a physical. Who knows if he’s still healthy enough to play.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/985989596235358214

    • Yahmule

      He’s never going to play again.

  • RSH

    Obviously, grain of salt, best shape of my life, but I have hope that DeMarcus Walker will be better Year 2 like or better than Adam Gotsis was in his sophomore campaign.

    https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/985974748650885126

    https://twitter.com/livinglegend_44/status/985971167805632513

    • BlackKnigh

      If he can come in at about 280-285 lbs – he could be a force to be reckoned with. His last 2 games were rated fairly good.

    • Yahmule

      It’s hard to overstate how much they loved him @ FSU.

    • pubkeeper

      Are they for sure moving him back inside?

      • cjfarls

        If they aren’t, they are dumb.

  • Nick

    Al Davis must have visited Jon Gruden at night, Jacob Marley style, and told him that he must get the fastest player in the draft no matter what.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/986001707116257280

  • Nick

    I bet this little one’s mock draft will end up more accurate than a sizeable number of other mock drafts out there.

    https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/986049967268675584

    • Alaskan

      I liked her, just like Nikki. It really is too bad the Post ran off all the talent.

      • cjfarls

        I thought at the time Lindsay was way too tough on WR Brandon Marshall, constantly spinning everything in the negative. She really had it out for him IMO.
        That said, WR Marshall was kinda a scum bag until he got his mental health right (and maybe still)… so maybe she wasn’t wrong and I was just a blind fanboy excusing bad behavior that shouldn’t have been tolerated.
        Her other reporting was good.

  • Yahmule

    I get why the Cowboys dropped Dez Bryant, but they now have the least talent @ WR of any NFL team. They should probably use their first two picks on receivers.

  • Yahmule

    Harry the Hat was such a great character.

    April 16, 2018

    • BlackKnigh

      Great character. He played his part so well.

  • Yahmule
  • BlackKnigh

    Just for the hell of it – I am going to throw out a mock for the 1st 5 picks:
    Browns – Allen
    Giants – Darnold
    Jets – Mayfield
    Browns – Chubb
    Broncos – not able to trade down takes Nelson. Ward could be a second choice. I am thinking that those 2 have the least chance of being a bust.
    Maybe there is too much hope from my side in this one.
    IMO Rosen needs a good OL to operate behind – or you will have another situation that Denver had with Siemian in 2017.