• SteveS

    I don’t know how to imbed video, but today is the anniversary of The Drive, still, for me, the best Bronco feeling ever except for that first Super Bowl win. TYJE!

    • Yahmule
      • pubkeeper

        Right where we want em.

      • Jeremy

        Was it normal for running backs to stick their hand in the dirt? Seems so unnecessary

        • DCJ1

          Yeah, it was normal. Pop Warner introduced it in the early 50’s (?) on the theory that it helped sprinters create forward momentum and get up to speed quicker.

          • Sparks

            Olympic sprinters still start in a crouched position today.

          • DCJ1

            Yep. I think most backs have shifted to a two point stance because the improved vision out weighs the momentum gain. The only backs who use a three point stance these days are fullbacks in the I formation. Goodell has proposed banning the three point stance because it encourages the OL to lead with their heads, but that ban might lead to the complete disappearance of the I formation, as the halfback will end up looking at the back of the fullback’s head rather than the defensive formation. Either that, or team will begin drafting taller halfbacks or really, really short fullbacks (“Hey John! We’ve found a 275 lbs fullback who stand just 4’ 11”. Only problem is our new 7’ 6” QB can’t reach the ball down far enough to hand off to him.”).

          • ohiobronco

            As do underwear Olympians in Indy.

      • Broncos777

        I like the pro set and wish it was still used more often.

    • RSH
      • pubkeeper

        I’d take that guy, number 7, over Brady every time. After watching this season, he looks other worldly.

  • ohiobronco
    • bradley

      “Then-Texans coach Gary Kubiak liked Keenum, signed him and gave him a chance to make it in the league. Keenum had so much to learn about running a conventional NFL offense, getting under center and playing with an actual tight end. He got his big break in 2013 when Matt Schaub coughed up a dizzying series of pick-sixes, and Keenum responded by throwing for seven touchdowns and 822 yards without an interception in his first three games. Problem was, Houston failed to win any of those games. Keenum’s production fell off, and before he knew it, he had lost his first eight NFL starts.”

      Sounds like another UDFA QB spotted by Kubiak.

      • Carsonic

        I would love it if TS had a similar career arc, or even 75% of it, though I don’t know if he’s as competitive as Keenum. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds, especially with the recurring shoulder issue.

        Also wondering what MarsLineman has to say about Keenum.

      • ohiobronco

        TJ Yates was another even though he was drafted. Kubiak spotted him as a drill arm at the combine.

      • Jeremy

        Who were the others?

      • Sparks

        Arians-Schmarians – Kubiak is the true QB whisperer.

    • Drewredux

      I just don’t know how I’ll react if Keenum is our guy. It’ll be a crushing blow.

      • Yahmule

        Everybody left in the bar @ 2:00 AM gets a little better looking.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Until the lights come on. Then you give Palmala a quick wink, stop for Taco Bell, and wake up without having to chew your arm off.

        • ohiobronco

          So if I catch your meaning, you think Elway should sign him to a one year deal then close his eyes and picture Drew Brees.

      • Nick

        I’d want to see the contract structure before I react.

        • Carsonic

          I want to see the rest of the post-season before I react.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            That’s not the Bronco Fan way, Brother! Overreact, Make Hyperbole statement, repeat…

        • Drewredux

          I’m on record for viewing Cousins as settling, so paying Keenum anything more than a solid #2 would be mighty scandalous from my PoV.

          • ohiobronco

            If you’re settling anyway, wouldn’t 20M and one year commitment beat 28M and four year commitment?

          • Yahmule

            His agent will do everything possible to avoid a one year deal. I would tell teams right up front, this was his prove it year, if you don’t want to make a commitment, see you around.

          • ohiobronco

            I think he’ll get a 2-3 year deal but I don’t see the guarantees adding up to more than a one year effective commitment.

          • Drewredux

            That would be better, but I tend to think Yahmule is right about whether the Keenum camp thinks they are still in prove it mode.

          • ohiobronco

            It takes two sides to do a deal. I think teams will still view him in prove it mode. He’s going to get paid but teams will hesitate on multi-year commitment.

          • Drewredux

            In general, I’d argue that signing Cousins is the only scenario in which they can avoid selecting a QB at 5. I could get behind Keenum as a bridge, even at a seemingly high salary, but I can’t get excited about him as The Guy at all.

          • ohiobronco

            I generally agree, assuming there is a guy available they feel confident about going all in on. Signing a guy like Keenum would:
            A) Avoid telegraphing your intention and getting jumped
            B) Avoid a Lynch/Bolles panic reach if you aren’t sold on available QBs
            C) Give you a plan B if the high draft pick develops slowly/not at all

          • Drewredux

            Pretty shitty year to desperately need a QB is the long and short of it. I like a handful of the draft pool prospects, but I’d be reluctant to pin my hopes on any of them if I was running the show.

            This is the year it’d be handy to have a patient fan base.

          • Jeremy

            I’ve heard people say both this was a good and shitty time to have a high draft pick. Which is it?

          • QDoc

            It’s a good shitty time? Or a shitty good time? (I’d say good.)

            Carry on…

          • Yahmule

            This was how the rough draft of A Tale of Two Cities begins.

          • Yahmule

            Four legit blue chippers, plus the best and deepest QB class in ages. I think it’s a great year to be picking in the top five.

          • which is why I want to draft a QB in the top 5. Cousins has a stop-gap feel to me – kind of like Plummer in 2003. Don’t get me wrong – I loved me some Snake but ultimately he was a stop-gap.

            I know we love us some revisionist history. What would have happened in 2003 had we not signed plummer? Would we have rolled with Griese again? Any chance that taking a mulligan in 2003 could have gotten us Roethlisburger? Man, if we had that dude, it would have made 2005 a hell of a lot more fun.

          • Drewredux

            I think Denver is in a fine spot to draft BPA. My gripe is the lack of a cleaner QB prospect, what with Denver rarely drafting so low. I even personally like some of the QB prospects, but each has at least one major red flag.

          • Tyler

            If there was a cleaner QB prospect he wouldn’t be there at 5.

          • Jeremy

            If there was a clear cut prospect (or two) wouldn’t they be gone at 5?

            I wonder if three qbs have ever gone on the top 5.

          • Yahmule

            In 1999, McNabb was sandwiched between Tim Couch and Akili Smith right at the top. Then Culpepper and the unbelievably bad Cade McNown went 11 and 12. Champ went seventh.

          • Yahmule

            I think it’s usually that way. Look at the great 2004 class for example.
            Eli: Refused to play in San Diego, makes weird faces on the sideline.
            Rivers: Funny release. Generally annoying.
            Big Ben: Fat ugly college bar land shark.

          • ohiobronco

            No way to know for a few years but feels like that type of class to me.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Really? Cousins, Alex Smith, Keenum, Taylor, Bradford could all be available. When was the last time thatfive vet QBs with their kind of success could be had. And even though the prospects aren’t without their warts, the fact that five or more could go in the first round makes it a pretty rich draft for QBs.

          • Drewredux

            I guess I’m sentimental for having the position locked down for a decade plus. A decade of Cousins, which is by far the safest option right now, doesn’t stir my loins much.

          • RSH

            I know that there is no love lost here for Bradford. I wish his knees were in better shape. He may be the most budget friendly have the veteran quarterbacks that will be available this offseason, as he will need to accept less money, with an incentive-laden deal this go-round. I really think that he could play well here, if the Broncos are unable to sign Cousins or get Alex Smith, but his health history and a possible unwillingness to accept a pay cut may make such an option moot.

        • ohiobronco

          I see his market as Oswieler APY but Glennon guarantees. Both adjusted for inflation of course.

          • Jeremy

            Keep in mind, osweiler APY adjusted for inflation is 20.6 (18*178/156).

            That’s part of the reason why I think cousins at anything less than 28 APY is wishful thinking.

    • DCJ1

      While his season was good, I’d be leery of paying him starter bucks based on a single year. Maybe he’s a Tom, but maybe he’s a Brock. That’s a gamble.

  • The Color Orange
    • I’m surprised he’s not in the mix for one of the vacant HC jobs after coaching that trio to such STRONG performances down the stretch!

  • bradley

    What might have been:

    “Rookie running back Christian McCaffrey was targeted six times during his team’s wild-card defeat to the Saints, and he proceeded to rack up a staggering 101 receiving yards, 57 more receiving yards than the next closest back this week. All told, McCaffrey averaged a whopping 3.06 yards per route run, which was the 11th-best mark that PFF has ever recorded by a running back in a single playoff game. He joins James White (110 yards – 2016 Super Bowl), Darren Sproles (119 yards – 2011 divisional round) and Reggie Bush (120 yards – 2006 conference championship) as one of only four running backs to top 100 receiving yards in a single playoff game over the past 12 seasons.”

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-wild-card-observations

    • RSH

      John can make this right by selecting Saquon Barkley if he makes it to five, which I do not see happening, unfortunately.

      • Yahmule

        Would you trade number five for McCaffrey right now?

        • Drewredux

          Funny. I was just last night thinking “Whew!” that C McC hysteria didn’t pan out last year. Denver is sooooo far from benefitting from an ultra-back right now.

          • Yahmule

            I would still have liked him @ 20 last season, but wouldn’t have come up with what it took to move ahead of Carolina @ eight. I wouldn’t trade five for him this year, but would give up 40 most likely.

          • Jeremy

            What would we have done at LT though? I forget who we could have taken in the second round

          • Nick

            Dion Dawkins was still available at 51.

          • Yahmule

            Before the draft, I was calling for Dawkins, Forrest Lamp (who didn’t make it to 51) or Taylor Moton, who was nailed to the bench in Carolina, but mainly because Daryl Williams played too well to sit down. I didn’t think we could get McCaffrey @ 20, though. I was thinking more about an impact tight end.

    • Royalwithcheese

      How many of those yards came on the TD? More than half, I think.

  • Nick
    • Andrew

      Don’t mind seeing 2 division rivals have to waste home games over there.

    • gobroncos

      Man, chargers are getting screwed. They have 2 extra hours time difference than the Titans and it’s considered THEIR home game. At least the other two all come from the same time zone.

      • Yahmule

        Punishment for their failure to extort a new stadium of their own.

    • Prater2Beadles4Six

      As a fan of Tottenham, I do not like like seeing a raider home game played at their new stadium. But better the raiders and chargers playing games in London than us.

      • QDoc

        The Raiders are often Spurs-y though… so maybe it’s fitting?

        • Prater2Beadles4Six

          NO!!

    • DCJ1

      I’m wondering if international games make Hard Knocks more or less likely. Chargers are on the list for HK as well, and I was guessing they’d get the nod in order to help them build the LA market. Now I’m not so sure — will the NFL force LAC to eat two turds in one season?

  • Carsonic
    • gobroncos

      God, I love TD! What a great guy, great player, great everything! I had goosebumps when, at the 4:00 minute mark, he spoke about that play vs. the Falcons in the next SB where he spun backwards. I know that exact play. I regularly reference it when I talk about TD’s strengths: vision, agility, and power. That play has it all, even though it only went for 5 yards like he said.

      • Yahmule

        He was one of those guys who was a joy to watch because he not only made the amazing seem routine, but he was a true football junkie who did all the little things right.

        • Russ

          True. His special teams play (although limited to early in his career) was stellar too.

        • gobroncos

          Ha, I found! I’m pretty sure this is the play. Play is at 49:40 if it doesn’t load directly to that spot.
          I couldn’t find the English version of SB XXXIII for whatever reason.

          https://youtu.be/ZMvjnlfdrfI?t=49m40s

    • Drewredux

      That ’98 Dolphins win was one of my favorite live expieriences. Not a lot of suspense, but Miami had really made Denver look bad weeks earlier. The stadium was like a festival of joy from gun to gun.

  • RSH

    This is a really good article addresses many of the topics that we have discussed in regard the Broncos’ coaching staff changes and the specific positional focus that some of the coaches will have in 2018.

    https://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/951514358437249029

    • Jason

      It’s just crazy to me the lack of emphasis on technique in the NFL. I really like this new approach they are trying.

  • DCJ1

    Just a little fun for a slow Thursday: https://thepulseofthenation.com

    • masonjar

      Good fun. I especially liked the part where you could submit your own questions to the public opinion poll!

  • RSH

    Justin Simmons is quickly becoming one of my favorite Broncos. I hope that he plays here for a long time just like Dennis Smith and Steve Atwater did. Simmons is the type of player and person that could get me to suspend my no current player jersey purchase rule.

    https://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/951548034424418304

    In a 2017 season of dark clouds for the Broncos, one of the few silver linings was the growth and impact of Simmons, who looked at times in 2017 like a player who could have Pro Bowl nods in his future. His Pro Football Focus grade of 80.2 was fourth among all AFC West safeties behind Jahleel Addae (83.5) and Tre Boston (81.4) of the Chargers and Karl Joseph (80.8) of the Raiders. He led a youth movement at the safety position in Denver this season that featured 2016 sixth-round pick Will Parks stepping into a larger role, undrafted rookie Jamal Carter making strides after making the team out of training camp and fellow undrafted player Dymonte Thomas making the most of a late-season audition.

    “With all of the experience with T.J. leaving,” defensive coordinator Joe Woods said in late December, “I felt like those guys stepped up and filled that role.”

    Simmons led the charge. He finished with 63 tackles, 1½ sacks, two interceptions and a touchdown in essentially 12 games. He suffered a high-ankle sprain early in Denver’s Week 14 win over the Jets and was then placed on season-ending injured reserve. As much as he blossomed in his role as a starter — he almost never came off the field — he also become a steady voice in the locker room amid Denver’s torrential struggles. His willingness to be the first player to address reporters, even after difficult losses, helped earn him the team’s Darrent Williams Good Guy Award.

    The award is given annually to the Bronco who best exemplifies Williams’ enthusiasm, cooperation and honesty while dealing with members of the press, and for Simmons it was a reflection of his desire to carry some of the heavy weight Ward had left behind.

    “We want 10 more guys like Justin Simmons,” Broncos coach Vance Joseph said in December. “As a player, he has a bright future, but as a person, he’s A-plus. We want more guys like Justin Simmons.”

  • Royalwithcheese

    Allen sure can sling it. He’s have been no1 easily if this was the 80s.

    https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/951527784043761664

    • Carsonic

      Favorite reply to that thread: “Does Wyoming ever use blockers? might be a strategy that could help them next year!”

    • RSH

      That looks like a modern version of a John Elway play.

      • Broncos777

        Oh man, his highlights are the most Elway-esque of any player I have ever seen. He moves and throws like young Elway. He has a cannon for an arm. You can just see it going off. Of course, those are highlights. As we’ve discussed a lot here, his overall accuracy is a concern and apparently not so much like Elway’s.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          I would say the best Elway comp I’ve seen is Luck.

    • Broncos777

      Phil Savage was on with Cecil and Pitch a few days ago and said that J. Allen is the QB he’s really interested in seeing. He said that when they were at the Manning passing camp this past summer–with no names on their shirts and no one knew who they were–Allen was the one that made him go “wow, who is that guy?” Obviously, the accuracy issue is a real concern. Cecil mentioned that he might compare well to Jake Locker.

    • Tyler

      Man no one else has highlights like that. He’s still not my first choice but it really wouldn’t hurt my feelings if we drafted him.

      • Yahmule

        Not right away it wouldn’t.

        • Tyler

          Probably not down the line either.

          • Yahmule

            He’s a spiffier Blake Bortles. Even that comp is a stretch, though, since Bortles beat some power 5 schools when he was @ UCF.

          • Tyler

            The man has a rocket arm, experience in a pro-style offense, athleticism is off the charts, solid mechanics, the kind of body that can take a hit, and teammate love him.

            But he didn’t drag Wyoming past vastly superior schools so probably not a round one talent.

          • Yahmule

            He didn’t impress against his own weak conference. He was a deer staring down a Peterbilt against good teams. Von will be behind a microphone calling Bronco games games before Josh is likely to figure it out at the next level. But if draft experts and everybody else want to pretend that accuracy isn’t important in the success of NFL quarterbacks, let’s give him a spin. The top of the 2019 Draft is packed and Ed Oliver or Dexter Lawrence would look good in orange.

    • Yahmule

      When Elway graduated, he had the second highest completion percentage in the history of the NCAA @ 62.1%. For the first few years of his career, the big knocks on him were that he lacked touch and didn’t read defenses that well. It took him until his 11th season in the NFL to post a completion percentage like he had @ Stanford.

      Allen, playing against much weaker competition than Elway, posted a completion rate of 56.2%. He started 25 games and only threw for more than 300 yards once. It took a triple overtime game to do it. I find that stat to be incredible.

      Josh Rosen threw for 351 yards and three touchdowns on 28-35 passing in his first game as a freshman. He went over 400 yards three times in his first four games this year before Caleb Wilson and Darren Andrew went down.

      Lamar Jackson had 11 300 yard passing games and he rushed for over 100 23 times.

      Sam Darnold threw for over 300 yards in half of his 24 starts.

      Baker Mayfield threw for over 300 yards in half of his 48 starts.

      Mason Rudolph threw for over 300 yards in 23 of 42 starts.

      The amount of projection required to face down that mountain of production is prodigious to say the least.

      • Your line of thinking pretty much matches up with everyone I’ve talked to at Mile High Huddle who evaluates college prospects. They love Rosen. They love Darnold. They love Mayfield. They think Jackson and Rudolph have potential but are better choices in the second round.

        But none of them like Allen. At. All.

        Every time they talk about Allen, they talk about how terrible his accuracy is and how he doesn’t have the mental game down pat, something that the other five all have in place. They warn people that, if you don’t want Paxton Lynch any more, you don’t want to replace him with Allen because you’ll get Lynch all over again, only worse.

        I know some people will think Bill Musgrave can coach up Allen, but that’s going to take more time and patience than most people will have. Allen’s best bet is to get drafted by somebody like the Saints, where he can sit behind Drew Brees for a couple of years and maybe Brees can teach Allen a few things. Or maybe the Steelers can take him, though I can’t imagine Allen and Todd Haley getting along that well. I’d say the Patriots, except that would be Belichick trolling Brady.

        Seriously, though, if Broncos fans want a QB drafted to be the long-term guy, you can put this down in permanent market about 144 points high: Do. Not. Draft. Josh. Allen.

        By all means, suggest any of the other five if they become available. But Allen needs to be scratched off all lists, permanently.

        • Yahmule

          I think he’ll fare better than Lynch because he’s way more talented and he’ll take it more seriously, but I agree with you, he needs a mentor, not to be some franchise’s savior. Especially not here in win now Denver. It bugs when guys like Todd McShay and Daniel Jeremiah drool over his physical tools and barely mention, or weakly excuse, his poor accuracy/slow processing. But, they have no real skin in the game and if he busts, they’ll already be talking about the new year’s prospects.

  • RSH
  • RSH
  • Yahmule

    More Elwaynian escapades from Josh Allen.

    https://youtu.be/5L07nmE4AtI?t=3m13s

    • Royalwithcheese

      I’d like to hear a QB expert explain his lack of accuracy. Is it his feet? Is it fixable?

      • cjfarls

        I’m not an expert, but just looking at him in the video, he keeps a really wide base on his throws (look how wide his feet are apart when he throws from the pocket)… that may make it hard for him to adjust his positioning and keep his feet underneath him.

        Plus, it looks like his o-line was way worse than ours… as much by scheme as anything. Seemingly every play there, he had unblocked or barely deterred rushers coming at him… so throwing from the run surely didn’t help him.
        Anyway, what I saw in this video is hard to project…. his arm is undoubtedly impressive…. but his results are pathetic, making even Cutler’s poor completion percentage etc. in Vandy look great (against far stiffer competition).

        • Laces Out

          He’s better than any one of our quarterbacks on day one. That base and launch pattern is much like Elway’s.

          It’s nice needing a quarterback with this crop I would say but I would also say that the chip on his shoulder is what’s going to make him better than all the rest of them.

      • bradley

        Is it his receivers? His coaches?

      • Yahmule

        I don’t know if I would call Mark Schofield a quarterback expert, but that’s the only position he scouts. He was disappointed that Allen didn’t show any improvement this season. He seems to think his processing speed and anticipation is lacking.

        https://youtu.be/S-nQCnBeKRk

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          And it doesn’t matter if his mechanics are sound. If it doesn’t click in the brain he’s going to miss throws.

        • BlackKnigh

          Don’t we have some QBs on the team like that already???

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      No, John. No.

    • Rob Rooney

      PFF’s look at Allen.

      https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-josh-allens-2017-season-defined

      To sum up my feeling from this – buyer beware.

  • Nick
    • RSH

      I am glad to see this.

    • More Cow Bell

      I wish that Vic was on a better network.

  • Royalwithcheese
    • RSH

      The Turners beat our Kubiaks two to one.

    • Laces Out

      Dude straight quit on the Vikings and look what happened to them

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Okay, making my pre-combine call. 1) Darnold 2) Mayfield 3) Rosen.

    • Laces Out

      Here we go:

      1.Allen 2. Jackson 3. Mayfield 4. Rosen 5. Darnold

      • Royalwithcheese

        You have Allen at the top? Why?

        • Laces Out

          Oh for sure..all the guys are protypical QBs but hes got special written all over him. 6′ 5″ laser rocket arm…all heart…BIG chip on the shoulder and ability to scramble and throw on the run is unmatched of anyone I’ve seen since Elway. Watched a bunch of highlights on all 5.

          Darnold has Rivers release…not loving it. Has a lot of talent around him too…

          Rosen depends heavily on DUARTE so he’ll need time to get that routine. Nice accuracy though

          Mayfield could be a nice player but hes not as impressive with his arm to me..

          Jackson looks like Vick 2.0..I like him a lot

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Pre-Combine
      1) Rosen 2) Darnold 3) Mayfield 4) Jackson

      My preference:
      1) Mayfield 2) Jackson 3) Rosen 4) Darnold

    • Yahmule

      Rosen
      Darnold
      Mayfield
      Jackson
      Rudolph
      Falk
      Ferguson
      Benkert
      Allen
      White
      Silvers
      Shimonek