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Hi guys, I hope you don’t mind if I share a few observations during these sad times in Bronco-land. FWIW, I think Denver’s highly-talented defensive unit lost heart once Trevor Siemian began to physically fall apart- they know better than anyone that it’s impossible to win in the NFL without a QB.
But first, a quick observation about Deshaun Watson. The week before his ACL tear, I emailed a friend that I expected Watson to have an RGIII-type career- meaning that his rookie year would be remembered as his most successful. Watson’s posterior throwing efficiency is notably subpar, and he generates his throwing force via borrowing heavily from lateral thoracic/ lumbar areas (this posterior thoracic inefficiency is reflected in his poor throwing velocity). His throwing mechanic is unsustainable, and despite his immense overall athletic talents and strong performance this season, it seems very unlikely that he will have a long/ successful NFL QB career.
Returning to the Broncos, I wrote in preseason 2016 that Oz showed good field generalship, but with mechanics that would likely regress as the season continued. I think the same can be said now. He’s an excellent backup QB because he can play very well for short stretches and command an offense successfully as long as his mechanics hold up. But expecting his play to remain stable for an entire season is likely wishful thinking.
Trevor Siemian- I feel for you. When I was a cello student at music conservatory, I battled chronic tendinitis (tendinosis) for several years. After 2 years of 2x weekly physical therapy failed to make a difference (and after seeing the most highly-recommended orthopedic doctors/ therapists), I was referred to two orthopedic surgeons who both recommended surgery to relocate my ulnar tendons/ nerves towards the radius. When I told my cello professor (a very well-known/ well-respected teacher in the cloistered classical music world) of these recommendations, he told me in no uncertain terms that to his knowledge, no cellist had ever recovered from these surgeries to have a successful performance career (and he himself had been recommended the same procedure earlier in his career). I was saved from a likely career-ending decision.
In my opinion, Trevor Siemian’s elective offseason shoulder surgery may very well have been similarly career-ending. Where last year he showed remarkable ability to mold/ adapt his mechanics around his physical limitations, this year his shoulders appeared locked in place. Although his posterior shoulders were almost certainly stabilized and strengthened by his offseason surgery, his biomechanical fluidity was highly compromised in the process. And for someone who showed such strong ability to study and adapt his mechanics as needed, such surgery was likely a tremendous mistake.
On the plus side, although 2017 is looking like a lost season, I think Chad Kelly may just end up riding in to rescue our 2018 season. On a pure throwing level, he shows a high level of talent, with notably efficient posterior-thoracic mechanics. Until this team finds a QB, we’re likely looking at a losing squad. But there may already be one in-house. Here’s hoping Mr. Kelly can be Mr. Relevant for 2018
Thanks Mars, your analysis is quite needed in times like this, when we’re trying to understand what the hell is going wrong.
Sounds like Siemian is the next version of Tony Eason. A damn shame, but tough to blame him for something out of his control. My unsubstantiated opinion also thinks you might not be correct about Watson, but time will tell of course.
“Don’t mind?” Always grateful for your intriguing thoughts and analysis. Good stuff to chew on, especially in these dim days.
Dim days indeed, but thanks for the kind words.
I thought Trevor’s velocity had noticeably fallen off in Week 3. Wasn’t sure if it was injury or not, but he was throwing ducks consistently. Damn shame. By the end, arm strength wasn’t the issue as his desire to compensate and inability to do so ultimately sunk him.
So, Mars, it seems you can never come here without leaving with at least one request and, thanks to me, today will be no different. Any analysis on the 2018 crop of QB’s? I’m currently on the Mayfield train so his would be great, but really any insight into the class would be most appreciated, if you have it.
As always, fascinating analysis. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words- I haven’t looked closely at anyone in the 2018 draft class yet (and I don’t really follow college football). From a short look at Mayfield, he seems to have a quick/ accurate throwing mechanic, but I’m not sure it’s sustainable long-term. Note how his right-side lower body follows the trajectory of his throws- this means that he is borrowing from his posterior lumbar areas to generate force. The best QBs generally show strong independence between posterior thoracic/ lumbar areas- look at Wentz or Dak to see examples of this independence in recently-drafted QBs. I would need to look more closely at Mayfield to form a strong opinion, but from a quick look, I think Kelly may actually be a more talented ball-thrower (and Kelly really does show a very high level of pure throwing talent)
General question: have you seen any QBs that have ideal biomechanics, but were undermined by poor mental decisions, and by that I mean they just couldn’t process football at the quick pace that the NFL demands?
I think Jeff George is probably the best example- his mechanics look pretty spot-on, but we saw what kind of career he had
Thanks. Do you think it’s more likely that lack of mental processing can be overcome by biomechanics, or is the opposite more likely to be true? Obviously there will be individual cases in both directions, but I’m curious which in your opinion is more likely.
Have there been ANY great quarterbacks recently that haven’t had great mental processing? I’m guessing there are some middle of the pack ones…
I know Wonderlic isn’t perfect, and Dan Marino is reported to have received a low score – Every time someone points that out as an argument of of physical traits over mental acuity, I think: “but his career ended 18 years ago. The game has changed significantly since then. Don’t use an exception to try and prove your point”.
Each time Elway drafts an overly tall quarter back over a shorter one with better mental grasp of the game, that goes through my mind.
I think the biomechanics are sort of pre-requisites for success. If the mechanics are there, the player has the physical tools to succeed. But they still need to learn the game/ become a leader.
The reason I was so immediately convinced that Dak was a franchise QB in preseason 2016 was that his efficient mechanics worked in tandem with immense mechanical progress in just a few short months since college- meaning he was a very hard worker/ good student. When reports of his leadership were also glowing, it became an easy call. But only because he clearly put in the time/ hard work (in combination with elite physical tools)
Jeff George needed a QB coach especially when he was entering the league. He could have been one of the great ones.
Thanks for the reply. Since he’s been drafted, I’ve been very interested to seeing Kelly on the field. Hopefully, the off the field stuff is behind him. In his favor, I’ll say that not a peep has come from him since he was drafted so that’s at least trending in the right direction. Wouldn’t it be crazy if the solution to our QB woes is already on the roster?
Yeah, I’m really hoping that the lack of headlines indicate that he’s been working hard and keeping his nose clean
Me too. The only thing I’ve seen is a tweet from DMac saying he was throwing lasers all over the field and has a pretty long ball or something like that. It was a few weeks ago but I forgot who linked it here.
But a few weeks later he said he was terrible in practice. This is right before they moved him to IR for the season.
Ah, now that you mention it, I think I do remember seeing that as well. Thanks for the reminder. What are your thoughts on Kelly?
I haven’t really seen much other than a college hi-light reel or game. I generally don’t like the hi-light reels because it only shows the good stuff. I like the ones where they show every play of the game. Then you can see the good with the bad and get a feel for them.
That being said, he looked ok in the little film I watched, but I’m certainly no QB evaluator. I think I’m hopeful he can emerge from the pack, but I have no idea. On the one hand, we did draft him, so there’s potential. On the other, NO ONE else did, which I’m hoping is attributed to his injury, and that the injury can heal without negatively affecting his game.
His attitude is a bit of a turn off. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t like him personally, which makes him hard to root for. He seems like an entitled little bitch. But I’ll bet a lot of football players at the NFL level are that way, so whatever.
Appreciate the response. He sure is a polarizing QB for someone who hasn’t even taken a PS snap, let alone a real game snap. Agree on the attitude and hope his college bro days are in the rearview mirror.
Any concerns about the ruptured ligament in his wrist that he sustained during his pro day? They said he threw a dozen balls and walked off the field.
I’m guessing that it was along the same mechanical lines as his ACL injury- if so, the injury would make sense given the urgency of pro-day training and his being only six months removed from tearing his ACL for a 2nd time. The injuries are certainly a concern, but I’m very glad the Broncos didn’t rush him into action in 2017. By next season, he’ll have hopefully recovered fully, and can work on ironing out some of his anterior mechanical issues
Mars, thanks for the analysis as always.
A thought for you… after Trevor’s out of the game, maybe you should reach out to him and see if some of your theories fit with his experience? Of course you’d have to approach it gently, but I wonder if, after the glare of the lights is gone and he can be honest, if there’s something to learn. Maybe ask if after the surgery, his shoulders felt tight and follow up on that or something.
I’m by no means a good athlete, but I know that after back problems, sometimes things just feel “stuck” or too tight to make the motions I used to be able to make. These guys know their bodies a hell of a lot better than we do… that could add some good perspective to your work.
Thanks for the thought- it certainly would be interesting to hear Siemian’s side of the story
Thanks, Mars, for your comments. It makes sense and makes me feel better – although still disappointed – about Siemians’ benching. We may be seeing the end of the line for this young man in football.
If Kelly is as good in studying the game as Jim Kelly was – we may have a good QB in the making for net season. I would welcome a battle between him, Oz, Lynch and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Pretty ingenious marketing. I’ll give credit where it’s due… Until it is overdone and pisses me off of course.
I would not be surprised if the NFL releases a sternly written letter that reminds players about rules on endorsements on the field. They don’t fuck around with that. On the one hand, Roethlisberger is in the clear on the grounds that Bud Light is an official sponsor, but on the other hand they also have the (patently ridiculous, in my opinion) rule that players can’t endorse alcohol. They went after Brent Celek hard once when he did the Captain Morgan pose on the field.
I think he is in the clear on the grounds that it occurred during gameplay in the context of a signal. It’s a part of the game that signals must be used and since they must constantly change some creativity is needed. It would be like saying the signs college teams hold up are endorsements. It would be much different if he said it during a on field interview or wrote it on his shoes or something.
Skycam really hits on how accurate QBs have to be. Ben hit a slant that had literally a 1ft by 1ft window. It was incredibly impressive. Swag Kelly time.
Time to change your username.
I’m waiting for Siemian to get an arm transplant.
I see CyberSiemian making a big comeback in 2025. Unfortunately by then he will probably be employed by another team.
Musburger contributes some condescending stupidity. He thinks casual fans are there to listen to hacks like him paint an intimate portrait of the game. WAFD.
November 17, 2017
Someone must have installed a Skycam on his lawn.
WAFD = What a fucking douche?
Dick, douche, dotard. It’s pretty flexible.
My position against dick referring to a person is well known. I have to think more about douche as it can have similar problems. Dotard, on the other hand, applies well to Musburger in this case.
I have to admit it was cool to see Musburger to drop a “don’t give a shit”.
I know this has the little blue checkmark, but it doesn’t seem like something Musberger would say in such a public fashion. Especially the use of “don’t give a shit”. He wouldn’t use that phrase on air, why would he use it in a tweet which, for him in his position, is basically like being on air. Maybe he normally tweets like this, I don’t know.
He’s 78, he doesn’t give a shit.
Good point. He never really apologized for eye-banging Katherine Webb when he was 73. ESPN did, but he didn’t.
Musburger got lucky that she took that as a compliment, that’s why it didn’t blow up into anything worse.
He was also on the call that made Jenn Sterger famous, I don’t recall how she reacted.
Yep. He married the daughter of a highly placed CBS executive as a young man and we’ve been stuck with him ever since.
He also begins most of his tweets with “yo.”
Has anyone seen anything in the Bengals SB NATION site about Peko? I remember someone posting a link to an article there at the end of 2016, where they pretty much all wanted him gone.
Would be interested to see how their opinions have changed now that he’s tearing it up here.
Also just fun to watch people eat crow, especially when it benefits us.
Peko has been good.
Our interior pass rush has not. Who provides interior pressure? After Wolfe bulked up, he’s been less explosive. And Shelby and Gotsis haven’t been as good as preseason at rushing.
With my orange tinted glasses firmly in place, I’d like to see Demarcus Walker get some opportunities there.
Have to hope he develops would suck to get nothing out of another 2nd rounder…
Agreed. It seems the only things we can competently draft in the 2nd round is DL (Wolfe and Gotsis showing life) so maybe that bodes well for Walker.
As I have been stated for what feels like time immemorial, Walker has to get bigger to be afforded such opportunities. Thankfully, the coaching staff acknowledged that yesterday.
Walker kind of reminds me of Darrell Reid. Hopefully, Walker’s ceiling is greater than Reid’s. Reid had a ton of heart and a great motor. Excellent depth and special teams player. His hit on special teams at Philadelphia in Week 16 of the 2009 season was a thing of beauty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AVVToEZNpA
¿Quien es mas macho?
Darrell Reid dice, “Yo soy.”
He’s listed as 6’4″-280 and Wolfe is listed as 6’5″-285 and Gotsis is 6’4″-287. Something tells me that Walker is closer to 270 and Wolfe is closer to 300. Regardless, I think even a guy at 270 is big enough to get some spot snaps. Certainly not big enough for a full time starting gig but in some situational pass rusher situations.
Cherry picking some guys here but:
Dwight Freeney – 6’1″-269 lbs
Robert Mathis – 6’2″-245 lbs
Cliff Avril – 6’3″ – 260 lbs
Cameron Heyward – 6’5″-288 lbs
JJ Watt – 6’5″-290 lbs
I agree with you that he needs to be more stout (bigger, stronger) at holding the edge from what I’ve seen, but as a situational pass rusher down the stretch of this season, I’d use him.
Walker on television and in-person looks more like 250 to 260 lbs. to me.
That could be. In this article there’s a pic of him next to Von who is listed at 250. I don’t know why they would overstate Walker’s weight by 30 lbs (12%). That’s a pretty large swing. In the pick it looks like he’s more stout in the legs/calves. Maybe that’s where the hidden weight is, and it would make sense that he looks smaller if he’s upper body is not as developed as lower.
I think you are right that his weight and strength is in his lower body. He does need to get stronger and add maybe 20 lbs of upper body muscle.
When I watched Peko in the CIN defensive line – I was impressed with him. I saw him making plays. I do not understand people saying he wasn’t any good. I guess he is answering them this season by his performance in Denver. I love watching the guy! Hair flowing – flying forward towards the RB or QB or OL guy. Maybe wishing I could have played like that in HS.
I’d say we’ve got about ten more years on top. Less if these things watch the news.
November 16, 2017
Skimming the article quickly, it doesn’t seem like AI is in play, so I don’t see how there’s much downside.
Yeah, but Skynet was a program with internet access that became self aware and then took over production facilities for things like this making it mobile. It’s a slippery slope, my friend.
Seriously, though, this is pretty cool.
The problem comes once we’re dumb enough to combine something like that with AI. It’ll happen eventually.
Of course we’re going to slap AI into things with skill sets for superior to robot Jet Li up there. That’s a given.
No doubt about it. I’d say we have about 30-50 years before these things are independent and start taking things over.
C’mon, it’ll never happen. You and I both know that this robot shows he’s borrowing from his lumbar thoracic area to compensate for an undersized posterior strength core flux capacitor. He’ll be out of the league in 3 years. 🙂 (channeling my inner Mars)
They’re gonna come after smart guys like Mars first.
This is impressive but it’s still working in basically a 2D plane. Add a 3rd dimension of rotation and then I’ll be really impressed.
My favorite in this subject were the Itchy & Scratchy Land robots.
We have to be prepared for the possibility that we could have a deluge of reports of sexual misconduct against NFL players like we’ve seen in other industries recently. Something like this could trigger it:
Maybe they should take a little time and investigate him raping a woman at FSU. As bad as grabbing the driver’s crotch is, I’m thinking it’s not the worst thing this guy has done.
Just one of 10,000 links out there http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/timeline-when-did-rape-allegations-against-jameis-winston-get-filed/2154277
The NFL says it doesn’t issue discipline for wrongdoings that happened before the player joined the NFL.
But yes, what happened at FSU needs to be remembered, and thus it’s tougher to give Winston the benefit of the doubt here.
And he’s widely regarded as being a great leader, ha. This pregame speech didn’t do the trick as the Bucs got killed by the Saints:
It’s only a matter of time until other industries, leagues, associations, etc. are hit with a myriad of sexual assault claims.
Must have taken a page out of the Trump playbook.
Dirk Koetter knew this shoe would drop some day.
The source of the latest coaching Grumors. And kudos on that smooth as fuck segue there, you experienced broadcast professional. He just likes hearing/reading his name in the media.
“Run! The calls are coming from inside the house!”
So far today no mention whatsoever about my Broncos shirt. Bengals fans have tossed in the towel to a much greater extent than Broncos fans.
What’s the general feeling on Marvin Lewis that you’re picking up?
General feeling is that he should be/will be gone but silence in general on the team mostly this year. Most I’ve really heard about them is when the Bengals guy was on The Drive.
I just don’t understand how he’s kept his position so long. I mean he’s Jeff Fischer 2.0.
Mike Brown has set it up this way so that he doesn’t have to owe him money for firing him, he can just choose to let his contract expire.
Marvin Lewis is the perfect coach for Mike Brown’s business model. He doesn’t cost too much, he’s good enough to keep the team semi-respectable (so the fans don’t completely revolt), but he’s not quite so good that the fans ever get their expectations up too much and demand more from the team. Come to think of it, Dalton’s the perfect QB for them as well.
Baseball town, isn’t it?
Bengals’ fans have a lot more to be sad about. We are having one down season, and Broncos Country is losing its mind. I cannot imagine having to deal with the suckitude of being a Bengals or Browns fan.
I think they are calloused.
Having the Browns across the state makes being a Bengals fan tolerable. You can suck out loud and still walk about feeling like the big brother.
The Browns have lost 28 in a row and 35 of their last 36. Anyone who can still walk into that stadium wearing their Kosar jersey is a better fan than I can imagine being.
28 in a row! How did I not realize that?
They won a game last year. Refresh and you’ll see my edit.
Is 2-34 the worst stretch in NFL history? The 1976-1978 Bucs made it to 2-30 and the 2007-2009 Lions made it to 2-31. Don’t know who would be worse than that.
If we go with games below .500 as a metric, start after a certain game in Detroit that will go unnamed, and end before a 4 game winning streak they put on, the 2007-2010 Lions had a 5-47 stretch. Browns would need to lose 11 more to beat that.
They can do it! I know they can!
So…Bengals are 30th in points and 32nd in yards this season. This is a “get right” game for the Broncos D, coming off of facing KC #5, #5 respectively), Philly (#2, #4 ) and NE (#4, #1). Time to regain some swagger.
No offensive line ever manufactured could shed talent like Whitworth and Zeitler in one off season and not implode spectacularly.
A game with no offensive turnovers, limited penalties and mistakes, scores in the red zone, and some sacks and turnovers created by the Broncos would be most welcomed and cathartic.
No turnovers. No turnovers. No turnovers. No turnovers. No turnovers.
I would be happy with just scoring touchdowns.
For those who haven’t seen, BB breaks down the plays on ST they beat us.
Oh god. I don’t know if I can watch this. Too painful.
Fwiw, it’s highly instructional. You’ll sure learn something about STs from the Lord Sith himself.
I did watch it. I’m a glutton for punishment. Looks like a lot of individual players just didn’t beat their assignments and took bad angles, or let guys by that they weren’t supposed to. I attribute a lot of this to coaching.
It was totally on coaching.
I’m not on the fire VJ bandwagon yet but I am on the fire Brock bandwagon.
Our ST has been atrocious all year. I can understand the coverage teams regressing (I can’t accept it but I understand it, we lost Webster etc). But how the heck do punters and kickers regress this much?
So I guess my message to Vance Joseph after the patriots game is: “Hold your assistant coaches accountable”
I agree on the coaching. That’s why I was one of the few (maybe the only one) calling for Olivo’s job earlier this week. His ST’s haven’t been just bad, they’ve been absolutely horrible. That said, ultimately the players got to play as well. Had McKenzie simply made the right call to fair catch one and kneel on the other, it would have removed 2 of the 4 plays from Belichick’s video montage. Of course, I’m assuming here that McKenzie could even field a fair catch cleanly. Big assumption.
He’s not doing that of his own free will. The coaches are telling him to field the ball and run with it. They’re probably saying fair catch it if you have to, but use your judgement and take it to the house if you can. Basically, they’re telling him he has the green light to field the punt/kickoff and run. I get that they’re trying to create a spark, or make something happen with ST’s, but the risk has not been worth the reward. And the rest of the coaching hasn’t allowed him to field a punt without someone bearing down on him. Every time, there’s a guy in his face. that’s on the cover unit. Which also falls back to the coaching. Belicheat pointed out how many ways they’re failing on the coverage and blocking units. BOTH sides of ST’s are terrible. I agree with you that Olivo must go.
Agreed. I was speaking more to your line “fair catch it if you have to, but use your judgement”. McKenzie, in both instances, used horrible judgment, regardless of any green light he may have had. I do blame the coaches for even having him out there after he’d already fumbled 4 times. You’re spot on about blocking assignments and coverage teams though. Belichick had to stifle a chuckle when he said “they decided to double Ebner. Pretty unusual, uou usually don’t see that player get double teamed like that”.
They had seven guys to block six on the punt block. BB even says you don’t usually see a kick blocked in that scenario. Guys had no idea who to block.
On the KO return, guys were beaten so soundly, so quickly, that by the time Lewis was at the 5, you could tell that was going for the TD. The “twist” they tried to run was poorly conceived and terribly executed.
On 84’s fumble, they left one guy totally unblocked to double-team Ebner. “Don’t usually see that,” BB says.
The screw-ups on ST cost Denver the ability to compete in this game. Had the points and turnovers not come with the ST – Denver had a chance to win this game IMO. Not to mention the psychological effect on the defense to have taken NE off the field in 3 plays to start the game – only to have to come back on to defend their own goal line. Pathetic.
Take away the first 14 points by NE – and you could wind up with a neck and neck battle that could have gone either way. Give the PATs credit for exploiting Denver’s weakness.
Man I wish Jake butt was healthy :/
Outside of Bolles, the latest draft class has actually hurt the Broncos more than helped this season. Take that in for a second.
Not surprising. Again, Elway is drafting Day 2 players that don’t contribute much (if anything) their first year. That is a major reason why this team is now bad.
It’s so easy, too. Just last night on Fanspeak my 4 round hall was Rosen, Q. Nelson, C. Sutton and O. Brown, Jr.
I don’t know why the Broncos struggle so much.
It is difficult but to be fair, 3 of their picks have been hurt. Of those 3, 2 are projected to be productive players (CHenderson and JButt) and the 3rd might be in the QB carousel they roll out next year.
Oh, I know. Too early…hopefully.
I just forgot how goofy the draft simulators are. Three of my four picks could conceivably go in the Top 15 and Sutton might be a 1st rounder, too.
If the Broncos could, by the grace of the football gods, end up with your 4 picks there, I’d be ecstatic! 🙂
If we could end up with just Rosen or Nelson, I would be ecstatic.
Even being injured and others (Mayfield especially) tearing it up, Rosen probably still projects as the best NFL QB and should still be comfortably nestled in that #1 slot.
I would be really happy with any of the top three QB’s.
Rosen, Mayfield and….?
Over Jackson, huh? Interesting.
I would be fine with Jackson, too. I like that he improved his accuracy this season. I just think Darnold has all the tools. His game tape from 2016 is just stellar. This season is going to be a good thing for him in the long run.
CU isn’t exactly the barometer from which to measure incoming QB’s but his game last week against the Buffs was very good. It was my first time watching a full game of his. He seemed to have good pocket presence, was larger than I’d originally thought, good arm strength and exceptional accuracy. He made several NFL quality throws.
Rosen, Nelson and Mayfield are my early darlings.
I’m also intruiged by D. James, just because he is the kind of hybrid player that might be able to mitigate against the rise of the satellite back.
I expect both of them to be contributors next year, and Langley might play a lot more if they cut Talib. But it’s just astounding that you can have a negative contribution from nearly an entire draft class.
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy. The one that surprises me the most is Walker. I know you’re not a big fan but I thought we’d see more than inactives across the board for him. Of course, I thought the same about Gotsis and he may be a player yet.
I guess that’s not true, the one who surprised me the most is Bolles, just for the opposite reason.
Yeah, if they had kept him at DE, I at least think he would’ve been active.
They really need to fix their default rankings. :~)
There’s no doubt Elway and company must draft better. That said, it’s not hard to see why they’ve begun to lose ground to their rivals.
Since Elway took over, the Broncos have drafted higher than 20th once, when they took Von second in 2011. Our opponents have had several more opportunities at high draft picks.
The Chiefs have picked 1st, 10th. 11th and 18th.
The Raiders have picked 4th, 5th, 12th and 18th.
The Chargers have picked 3rd, 7th, 11th, 15th and 18th twice.
What I’d like to see is what players we’ve drafted at what position and order in the draft, and what players in the league at that same position have excelled that were still available and what players at that same position chosen before have had success or not had success.
It’ll help to give a little comparison to other teams. Without that it’s say to say we never hit on our picks, but I think it’s pretty common with other teams too. Lot’s of players are busts, or diamonds depending on where you pick them and if you just kind of get lucky.
It seems with QBs and OTs to matter to a certain extent.
I can’t back that up with science, but that is my perception.
It might be interesting for me to do a tale of the tape AFC West article in the offseason when we get closer to draft time.
I kind of feel dirty about it, but this is why I’ll be fine if they can’t get their shit together. Almost rooting that they don’t. They don’t often get a shot at the pick of the litter at whatever position they go.
Its also got some depth at QB, OT, and has at least two blue chip OGs. They could concievably get two immediate impact players with their first two selections this year.
Sign Tyrod, take Nelson and Rankins?
So, lost in all our conversations this week was one sign of growth for Coach VJ.
Won Toss Broncos (deferred)
That is growth IMO. Play your strong suit first.
You stay classy, San Diego Los Angeles.
On Rosen and Donald.
2 people that you do not want calling you soft. Your wife, and John Elway.
Anybody see parallels with Smith-Mahomes to Plummer-Cutler? Would not surprise me to see that change even with Smith having a pretty good year.