• T. Jensen

    I haven’t watched either team and was a bit surprised that they are both 4-1. Who do y’all think will win tomorrow night panthers or eagles?

    • GrizzlyB

      I haven’t been impressed with either. I think the Eagles will win, but the Panthers would if it weren’t TNF… maybe. I don’t even know where they’re playing tbh

    • Royalwithcheese

      Finally an interesting Thursday match up. I haven’t seen much of either of them, but Cam seems to be regaining his form, which usually means the Panthers are rolling the opposition.

  • PFF ranks the Broncos seventh overall in its latest power rankings.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2017-pffelo-nfl-power-rankings-week-6

    • Yahmule

      “On the other side, look for the Giants 27th-highest graded run defense to give C.J. Anderson (84.4, fourth among running backs) a path towards continuing the success he’s enjoyed so far this season.”

      The Giants defense is also terribly overrated. They’ve plunged over $40 million into that defensive line and this team can’t tackle for shit.

      • Forrest Trump

        One general observation I made this weekend is how lucky we are, especially at S, to have a team that tackles so well. It really sticks out how many teams have serious tackling issues.

        • Yahmule

          The Broncos really prioritize solid technique and wrapping up.

          • Forrest Trump

            They are clearly exceptionally well coached.

            We probably only get a season out of Woods.

          • Yahmule

            You may be right. He’s been smothering NFL passing games for 14 years now. Somewhat worrisome that he spent a season in Oakland before coming here.

    • Forrest Trump

      All these polls are giving a Philly a big boost for beating a franchise that is merely finally collapsing under the weight of Bruce Arians.

  • gobroncos

    US Men’s soccer team lost against Trinidad & Tobago and were eliminated in the world cup qualifiers. Apparently Fox paid $450M to air the World Cup in 2018 and 2022.

    • SteveS

      Good – the faster that cesspool of a network goes bankrupt, the better off the world will be. I have no problem with conservatism, but they’re about as far from conservative as anything could possibly be.

      • BlackKnigh

        I don’t know if this is still the same – as they are purported to be changing – but PolitiFacts did a study on their news reporting a few years ago to find they lied 60% of the time and told the truth 10% of the time. REAL reliable bastion of information.

        • gobroncos

          And Trump calls the other networks fake news. This is a problem and there should be repercussions. Otherwise the repercussions of allowing this to happen will be far more detrimental to society.

          • Yahmule

            Trump still hasn’t mentioned the four US Army soldiers who were killed in action in Africa over a week ago. Too busy stoking racism, banging his tiny dick on the table @ Tillerson and demanding a tenfold increase in our nuclear arsenal.

          • gobroncos

            So much for respecting our troops.

          • Yahmule

            The GOP lost their shit over Benghazi – Trump tweeted about it 66 times – meanwhile four Green Berets get ambushed and murdered and they can’t think of a thing to say.

          • Yahmule
    • Prater2Beadles4Six

      As a soccer fan, this really sucks. If we can’t beat Trinidad and Tobago, we don’t deserve to go to the World Cup, but the collection of goals that knocked us out were absolutely brutal. The first goal we allowed was an own-goal from a horrific clearance attempt that looped over Howard’s head. Panama’s game winner wasn’t even close to being over the line and never should have been allowed. Honduras’ game winner bounced off the cross bar then off the keeper’s head and in. If any one of those isn’t a goal, we are at least in the play-in game

    • Yahmule

      Some goofball on Deadspin has this rather specious take:

      “Fuck that the World Cup was literally the last thing that brought the country together, more or less, behind the same cause. Nobody cares about the Olympics anymore, our basketball teams stopped being interesting 25 years ago, and our hockey teams now feature a bunch of people of whom you’ve never heard (for the men) or a singular competitive rival against whom it’s hard to generate much animus (for the women). Men’s World Cup soccer was the one sport where just about everyone could set aside the both the problematic history of this country and its somewhat terrifying future and be a ridiculous pro-U.S.A. nationalist for 90 minutes. It’s healthy, psychologically, to have something to be proud of, even if it doesn’t all work out in the end.”

      Horsefeathers. The only thing that has united this country in the last 48 years was 9/11. For about a month.

      • Forrest Trump

        Lake Placid, maybe.

        • Yahmule

          I would agree, even if most of the excitement came after the fact. I watched that game live, but it wasn’t a ratings blockbuster. Remember, it wasn’t the Gold Medal game, that came against Finland. It drew a 23.9 rating, which would have placed it behind a number of prime time TV shows that year, including The Love Boat and The Dukes of Hazzard.

          Outside of the soccer fans here, I don’t think most of us can remember a lot of individual World Cup highlights. I remember Brandi Chastain’s sports bra much more distinctly than the penalty kick she nailed to win the game.

          • Forrest Trump

            I was young, and probably not as tuned into the political pulse, but I really got caught up in it all, as did my general orbit. It might actually be my fondest sports memory, including the Broncos.

            It resonated with my young ass big-time. It set the hook on sports in general for me.

  • The 5th Amigo
    • gobroncos

      Ha…thought I was on one of my other blogs…KIDDING!!

    • Yahmule

      Clickbait. This article is about football. ;~)

  • Nick
    • ohiobronco

      Problems stiffen as injuries mount.

      • DCJ1

        They’ll probably have lots of blown overages.

        • ohiobronco

          They will really need to suck it up this week.

          • RyanHennigan

            Growing concerns with performance.

    • Forrest Trump

      I have deduced that I am permabanned from commenting on Gantt’s PFT work, which is okay, because next to Greg Berard, there isn’t an NFL writer working who is less objective and more of a homer than Gantt.

      I’m surprised either gets away with it, really.

      • Yahmule

        PFT is the only board I was ever on where you could be censored for making a completely non-inflammatory post, simply because it effectively contradicted Florio or one his minions.

        • Forrest Trump

          I’m certainly not a mindless troll– so its not as if I got out of line– but Gantt obviously didn’t appreciate something I had to say.

          I have the Brokedown Mountain approach to PFT: Gosh, I wish I could quit them. They are so damn convenient, though. What’s a guy to do?

    • Yahmule
      • Nick

        I’m still eagerly awaiting the possibility of Jake Butt being to the immediate right of his punting teammate.

        • Yahmule

          If I was those guys, I align that way until we got a letter from the league office.

  • bradley

    Will Parks, the Swiss Army Knife of the Broncos defense, growing comfortable with multiple roles

    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/10/will-parks-broncos-versatile-safety/

    • RyanHennigan

      *Drool*

    • T. Jensen

      When we drafted him, I expected him to become the next Bruton. But he’s been doing more in non-ST play than Bruton ever really did. (Still love me some Bruton but Parks has been an excellent draft pick)

    • Forrest Trump

      I’ve actually been far more impressed with him than Simmons up to this point. That isn’t saying I’m not excited about JS, too, but Parks has been outstanding at what they’re asking him to do. IMO.

    • SteveS

      I like the kid and liked that we drafted him (I have a relative that used to work on the training staff at Arizona and said he was good people). I do think he needs to really work on concentration as it appears he loses same at least once per game.

  • GrizzlyB

    DRC leaves the Giants:
    https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/918170659838074880

    He’s a squirrelly and unique dude in the same vein as Von; I believed him when he said he’d retire if we won the Super Bowl. Obviously he doesn’t want to put up with their shit anymore, and I commend him for that.

    • Andrew

      Never want to go into a game expecting a blowout, but…

      • ohiobronco

        I recall the 2013 game vs. the Jaguars. An epic blowout was expected. Broncos got out with a win but it was tougher than expected and Peyton injured his ankle, which could have indirectly affected the poor ending to the season.

        • Jeremy

          We were 26 point favorites. I remember his press conference afterwards where he said that even if the Media didn’t think so, every NFL game is a challenge and that he never took wins for granted.

          • Jeremy

            And per PFR, it was the largest spread in the NFL since 1970 (which is how far PFR’s spread data goes.)

            Interestingly, of the 8 largest spreads all time, the favored team never covered, but the did all win. Biggest upset ever was NE losing to BAL despite being 17.5 point favorites in 1978.

            http://pfref.com/tiny/NVeyQ

    • G Mik

      You don’t quit on your team though. Obviously it’s a tough time when you are a playoff team to then start 0-5 the very next year. But folding on your team isn’t okay to me. That said, he is a different dude and I always appreciated that about him as well.

    • Forrest Trump

      Watching the Giants implode, knowing that millions of people sit through the Jets, Browns and pretty much 3/4 of the league on a weekly basis, makes me appreciate how fortunate we are.

    • DRC does have his issues, but with proper coaching, he plays very well. He had a good season with the Broncos and the coaching staff at the time got the most out of him.

      This, to me, falls more on the shoulder of Ben McAdoo, in which more players than DRC are either not playing well or grumbling in the locker room. Reportedly Eli Apple has also had arguments with McAdoo and I’m waiting for more to come.

      McAdoo and Jerry Reese belong at the top of the list of regimes that are most likely to come to an end after this season.

      • gobroncos

        That’s funny. This could become quite the meme.

    • ohiobronco

      They are really going overboard with this whole lure the Broncos into complacency trick

      http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/157/itsatrap.jpg

      • Yahmule

        Maybe they’ll trade Eli to Jacksonville before Sunday’s game.

    • JMac
    • Snatch Mouth

      They probably got in a fight over MCdoos new hardass hairdo. Let me know once hes fired…hopefully after a Denver spanking

    • gobroncos

      So wait a minute…he was their staring corner, and he just up and quit 5 games into the season? Is he retiring?

      Which came first, the suspension? Or the quitting? I can imagine the conversation.

      DRC: “Coach, I’m not happy with the way this is going. I quit.”
      Coach: “Oh yeah? Fine. You’re suspended!”
      DRC: “Suspended? FU, I quit!”
      Coach: “F Me? FU! You can’t quit, I suspended you.”
      DRC: “FU, I quit first!”

    • JMac

      You have to take this with a grain of salt, but the concept made me laugh!

      https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/918232823496151041

    • Lonestar47

      Seriously. If you go into the responses of the tweet you see my thoughts on it being repeated over and over.

      He is in the NFL only because he is still a member on the NFLPA. If he had not been ona loaded team his first couple of years he probably would have washed out then.

      • DragonPie

        His stats show him to be more than competent enough to be a high end backup to a mid-range starter and there has never been any indication that he was a problem in the locker room.

        • Forrest Trump

          I recall a lot of concerns about his locker room presence before the kneeling stuff, which included an affair with another player’s girlfriend.

          This seems to be a somewhat controversial recollection, so I don’t know. I’ve certainly remembered stuff wrong before.

          • RyanHennigan

            I know people who went to H.S. with him. They have said that he was not a nice individual. Jerk may have been the nicest word used to describe him.

            This has nothing to do with football performance though.

          • Yahmule

            I went to the same high school as John Elway (got there one year after he graduated) and 100% of the people I asked about him said he was insufferable.

            Reno Hightower Syndrome is not fictional.

          • Truth be told, it’s not unusual for high school football players, particularly those who are considered top college prospects, to be stuck on themselves. A lot of that goes back to them getting caught up in the attention they get. And some of it simply the culture of what high school sports and high schools in general tend to be.

            I’ve noticed that tends to happen less often at smaller high schools, though that probably has a lot to do with the fact that top players at those schools don’t get as much attention, plus they tend to be more visible in the community and learn at an earlier age to watch how they conduct themselves.

            With all that said, many of those “high school jocks” mature after they get out of the high school and learn more about the real world — though a few never learn and keep acting like jerks.

          • Yahmule

            There is massive enabling. I played with a guy who kept his eligibility and went on to star at a local JC who should have failed every class. We had the same history teacher in different periods. Mr W – who also coached sports, but not football – used to make test grading into a class assignment. Period one graded period two’s tests and so forth. It was a good way of reinforcing the material. Mr W also gave tests that were worth 300 or 400 points with many opportunities to gain extra credit. He was probably my favorite teacher in high school and not just because you could needle him about drinking a diet soda alongside two Snicker’s bars.

            Anyway, I pull dummy’s test and I can tell right away he’s going to flag. I was as charitable as possible and I don’t think I could get him over 40 points. There was never any question about his eligibility. That was just the way it was done. Obviously this particular anecdote doesn’t apply to either Elway or Kaepernick who were both outstanding students.

          • Nick

            Most successful athletes seem to have a base level of competitiveness and confidence to the point of arrogance and egoism. That tends to come off as quite jerkish to the average person.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I wonder what Philip Rivers’ schoolmates have to say about him. Lol. That might be the most punchable dude I’ve ever seen.

          • Yahmule

            I think most of them grow out of it. Rivers is popular with teammates and Elway was revered his last few seasons. I think the Marcus Mariota type kids are just incredibly rare.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I wonder how much of that is them growing out of it vs their teammates’ acquiescence. Essentially, “He may be an asshole, but he’s OUR asshole.”

          • Yahmule

            I think the smart ones realize that they’re now among peers who aren’t impressed by anyone’s high school or college press clippings. They realize that big timing these guys isn’t going to work.

          • Forrest Trump

            Sure. On performance I think he is getting screwed. I think a lot of alpha male star athletes are assholes in high school, too– so I wouldn’t worry as much about that. But, I think if he was struggling to get along with teammates even when shit was going well, I can at least be sympathetic to the argument that Kaep’s kneeling was more final straw territory than it is the only thing keeping him out of the NFL territory.

            Again, I could be being totally misguided and idealistic on this one. That is, maybe the NFL is colluding and fucking him in mass. I don’t know.

          • Yahmule

            Keep in mind, FOX and the like lie about him constantly.

            Colin Kaepernick wins 49ers’ award for ‘inspirational, courageous play’

            Usually guys who are banging wives or girlfriends of teammates get traded, like Avasail Garcia was after he wrecked Prince Fielders marriage. They don’t typically win teammate voted awards.

          • The “complaint” that I’ve read about Kaepernick when it comes to the locker room is that he’s quiet and tends to keep to himself. Initially, he sat on the bench, before his conversation with Nate Boyer and subsequent decision to kneel instead, so he would be with his teammates instead of by himself.

            But I’ve never read anything about him being a malcontent — certainly not in the sense that, say, Terrell Owens gained a reputation for.

          • Forrest Trump

            Yes, and that is where an important distinction must take place. What might be described as quiet by one might be interpreted as arrogant and aloof by another.

            I don’t know the answer. I just know, prior to the kneeling stuff, I was pretty reluctant about the idea of Kaep in Denver just because of my impression of him from what I had read. That doesn’t mean my impression was fair or accurate, but it was based on the information I had seen.

        • Lonestar47

          Which stats. Those from his first few years or the past couple of partial years.

          Which I hav not studied them in depth his last full year was during the years the 9ers had talent on both sides of the LOS. Since then not so good. Frankly if he was/has anything in the bank some bottom feeder would have at least brought him in for a look see.

          However from what I have heard he has himself priced himself out of even those markets. Refusing to talk to teams unless they assured him of big change of a starting job. With contract size to match that.

          I also suspect that his side distractions also puts teams off. But that said his declining numbers coupled with his salary demands and starting demands, make GMs and owners say no thanks.

    • Yahmule

      Kaepernick 80% of the way to completing his pledge to donate $1,000,000.

      http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/colin-kaepernick-nfl-national-anthem-protest-one-million-dollar-pledge-donations-empower-communities

      The NFL skims the fuck out of their pink cleat money.

      https://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/26/nfl-breast-cancer-month-deangelo-williams

      Why would he want to even associate with these people?

  • JMac

    Sorry to divert to politics again, but this is a little disturbing:

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/918185952597639168

    • Yahmule

      He’s been running the dictator playbook from day one. A lot of people want to be ruled.

      • Forrest Trump

        It is amazing how easily history repeats its self, and how its always the “patriots” and the nationalists who are the slowest on the uptake.

        • DCJ1

          Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
          – Samuel Johnson (1775)

          They say that patriotism is the last refuge
          To which a scoundrel clings
          Steal a little and they throw you in jail
          Steal a lot and they make you king
          – Bob Dylan (Sweetheart Like You, 1983)

    • T. Jensen

      I think it’s important to distinguish the difference between op-ed and press/news.

      Op-ed should be able to write whatever they want even if its false or extremely biased. Sadly most people consider this news when its just opinion or news mixed with opinion.

      Press or news should really follow their ethics statement http://www.apme.com/?page=EthicsStatement which I think most AP articles do or try to do. Anyone remember when newspapers would issue retraction statements?

      Having said all that, Trump’s statement is extremely dumb especially in the context of free speech.

      • Trump’s statement has far more to do with his insistence that he get favorable press coverage and never get criticized. Your point is certainly taken, but Trump’s statements (as you alluded to) have nothing to do with news vs. opinion.

        • Yahmule

          While it’s very tempting to assign the most childlike motive to everything he does, this is a very direct and purposeful assault on the First Amendment.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          I don’t believe either Trump or most of his supporters are capable of distinguishing between news (facts) and opinion. I think that’s why his support in the election was inversely correlated to level of education.

          • DCJ1

            I mentioned that little factoid in a discussion about Trump’s base, and got lectured that I was a condescending liberal prick. My response: “True, except I’m more libertarian than liberal. However, that still doesn’t change the fact that I’m smarter and more educated than you.”

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            God they hate it when someone points out that the less educated the demographic, the more it loves Trump. It’s true, though. We’re not making shit up here.

    • Nick

      I hope Anthony Kennedy hears this loud and clear as he’s considering when to retire.

    • gobroncos
      • BlackKnigh

        With all the talk about IQs – I would venture that this guy’s working IQ is about 80-85. He just doesn’t get it. Can’t see beyond the end of his own ego.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          It is almost certainly below average. His vocabulary is horrendous, and the ideas he tries to convey when he speaks are on par with your average shit-talking 7th grader.

          • Yahmule

            We’ve created a society where money plus sheer ruthlessness is a likely path to success.

          • BlackKnigh

            If Tillerson and 2 or 3 of the generals resign – the entire administration will collapse.
            Can you see Donald Trump in the White House with only the mice left to fire?

          • Yahmule

            It shouldn’t be lost in this infantile pissing match that Tillerson was the CEO of Exxon Mobil and the worst and most cynical choice for Secretary of State that has been made in US history. No company spread disinformation about climate change as aggressively as Exxon. They spent $30 million funding organizations whose sole purpose was to mislead the American people. He may be smarter than Donald Trump, but he’s just as fucked in his own way.

          • BlackKnigh

            Points well taken about Tillerson. Terrible choice for that position – but now that he is there and trying to bring peace to an agitated situation in N Korea – and being whipped by Trump for it – were he to resign along with 2 or 3 of the generals – there would be no one stable to run the show.

          • Yahmule

            You’re right. The articles about the day care techniques they have to employ to distract the leader of the free world from doing something idiotic are depressing.

          • DCJ1

            Trump is not (and never was) the leader of the free world. He has no idea what being a leader is, nor is he interested in a free world.

          • Yahmule

            FWIW, I’ve never once paired the title of the office he stole with his name.

          • Nick

            The biggest fear that I had (and still have) about Trump back in early 2016 is that he’d build a cabinet solely of yesmen that just stroke his ego.

          • BlackKnigh

            He did. Very similar to the guy in N Korea.

          • Nick

            I think it could get a lot worse.

    • All right, time to roll out some Football Trump posts. We’ll start with one from the actual Twitter account.

      https://twitter.com/realNFLTrump/status/917924351374188545

      And now, some that I made up…

      Football Trump: NFL should have its tax status revoked as long as they continue to let Jay Cutler play on an NFL team! Terrible!

      Football Trump: Jerry Jones is making players stand for the anthem because they should have been kneeling for the NFL not willing to define what a catch is! Sad!

      Football Trump: My wall with Mexico is going to be a beautiful wall, certainly more beautiful than what the Giants call an offensive line!

      • Yahmule

        Ditka is Football Trump.

      • BlackKnigh

        I come here for the humor…. And other things.

    • RSH
  • https://twitter.com/ErickTrickel/status/918193205501292544

    For perspective, Erick has been critical of Menelik Watson, but nowhere near as critical as this.

    • Snatch Mouth

      He was abused vs Dallas

    • Yahmule

      The Giants/Lions matchup with Flowers and Greg Robinson set back left tackle play by five years.

      • At least the Lions had an excuse — one of their starting tackles was injured.

        Seriously, the Giants are so bad at offensive tackle, Donald Stephenson would be an upgrade over what they have.

    • Nick

      He might be out of the NFL after this Sunday night if Von and Shaq get their way.

      • Shaq lines up opposite left tackle on the majority of downs. I’m waiting for him to have half the Broncos’ sacks that night.

  • https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/918181723711586304

    Those who got a veteran day off were Domata Peko, Aqib Talib and Jamaal Charles.

    Pretty clear that Latimer won’t play Sunday, but so far, so good for everyone else.

  • RSH
    • Yahmule

      Great news coming off a bye week.

  • RSH
    • gobroncos

      Damn, the Wikipedia page already has it updated to him being a “former American football defensive tackle who last played for the Dallas Cowboys”

    • gobroncos

      Do you think this has anything to do with Jerruh’s ultimatum?

  • Nick

    I see one old friend at CB has caused some drama, but it’s still nowhere near as bad as another one.

    https://twitter.com/FOX8NOLA/status/918179497979113473

    • Tyler

      Wasn’t he experiencing some fairly serious side effects to concussions during his time here? I was surprised he stayed in the league as long as he did after that.

  • Nick

    Since we’re already giggling at phrases like Dixon Butt and Johnson Cox & Smallwood:

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/918216468889817089

    • Yahmule

      Honorable mention goes out to whichever one of Ed Dickson’s ancestors settled on the funnier spelling of his name.

  • Yahmule

    The Giants center Weston Richburg has been ruled out, too. I think there could be a winless team in Gotham this season after all.

    <June 19, 2017

  • SterlingMalloryArcher

    @Yahmule:disqus – First time, long time. Fantasy question of the day. I commented yesterday that I’ve got a team that isn’t bad, but is 1-4 due to two losses by 0.4 and 0.5 points, as well as another one in which my team scored more than enough to beat anyone except the buzzsaw I ran into that particular week. So I’m just looking to try to pull off a deal to give me something to be excited about. My roster is as follows:

    Tom Brady
    Kirk Cousins

    LeSean McCoy
    CJ Anderson
    Lamar Miller
    Frank Gore
    Duke Johnson, Jr.
    Aaron Jones
    Jerick McKinnon

    Demaryious Thomas
    Dez Bryant
    Stephon Diggs
    Mike Wallace

    Robbie Gould

    Panthers D/ST

    Basically standard scoring, non-PPR. No TE required, but one may be used in place of a WR or a RB if the owner chooses. My thought was deal Dez and Brady and one of my lesser RBs (Jones? McKinnon?) for a big upgrade at WR. Thinking of offering one owner Brady, Dez and Aaron Jones for Antonio Brown (he also owns Ty Montgomery). What do you think of that? Or do you see other areas in need of an upgrade? I’ll hang up and listen.

    • Yahmule

      That’s some really bad luck from what looks like a pretty strong roster. I wouldn’t throw a blockbuster out there for Brown because the Rothliesberger situation is pretty daunting. I agree you could use some help @ WR, but you have a ton of depth @ RB and I would see if you can match needs with someone who’s weak there. I wouldn’t want to have to start Cousins every week. He has a lot of strong defenses left and his playoff matchups are not favorable @LAC/AZ/DEN. I’m getting ready to bench LeSean McCoy. You might find someone who will send you a top WR for him nearly straight up.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Yeah I was really pleased with the way the draft fell to me this year, and I just let it come and took what I felt was the best value with each pick rather than targeting specific players. Unfortunately it hasn’t worked out so far. I’m basically going to need to go 7-2 the rest of the way to have a shot at the playoffs.

        McCoy’s underachieving makes it feel like I’d be selling low, but I guess it wouldn’t hurt to make a few offers for a good WR. I also offered Brady and Dez to a guy for Jameis Winston and Julio Jones. We’ll see what he says. Ultimately I may end up just sending McKinnon to a Vikings’ fan for a serviceable WR.

      • Yahmule

        There’s risk involved, but maybe the guy with Julio Jones will let him go for an injury discount.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          I just made an offer for Jones. But he’s stacked at RB so Brady may be my only hope to make that happen.

          • Yahmule

            I’ll bet Mike Evans owner is good and pissed off by now. No 100 yard games yet, but still getting ten looks a game.

  • Royalwithcheese

    Would you guys rather see the Broncos drop C.J. and go after LeVeon Bell or stick with what they have? Same question for Carlos Hyde.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Want to see Henderson get some snaps. I think most backs either have it out of the gate or don’t. Look at the past 2 years in terms of rookie RB success. Time to give him 3 snaps a game and see how he does.

    • Nick

      The first question the Broncos need to answer is whether Jamaal Charles has enough left to come back for 2018. If he doesn’t, or another team signs him, then they may not need to drop CJ to go after another RB. I don’t think Bell will be a realistic get, though.

    • Yahmule

      I would be surprised to see the Broncos pay what it takes for a top FA running back.

    • cjfarls

      Bell wants way more $$ than any RB is likely worth…. there simply aren’t enough touches for the marginal difference to justify any RB making 8 figures annually.

      Hyde is more interesting, but could easily see him getting inflated as well.

      The other problem with any FA is the injury rate for RBs… its a position where any top $$ FA is too likely to strand that $$ on the IR at some point and/or an injury could sap that salary effectiveness in the future… any deal you’d likely want to be able to get out of after 2 years at most (like CJA’s), and the top FAs likely will want more security than that.

      • Yahmule

        2018 figures to be a pretty strong RB draft.

        • Royalwithcheese

          Yeah, but do you want to use a high pick on a running back?

          • gobroncos

            No, we need a right tackle. We’ve got some good RB’s on the roster and you can always find a gem later in the draft. TBH, I’m thinking it’s time for a change at RB coach. Studisville seems to take the creativity out of his RB’s.

          • Yahmule

            I would rather use a high pick on a back with fresh legs than stress the cap on some guy with mileage.

    • gobroncos

      http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/252204/the-nfls-top-free-agents-for-2018

      I wonder if we could get Graham on the cheap. He’s not had much productin the past few years. His fit at SEA is terrible. But he’s a vet and could teach Butt and Derby a few things and maybe be more productive in our offense than at SEA.

      Other than that, not much else on this list I’d go for. Maybe see if Nate Soldier would move to the RT position? He’s not that great at left tackle, not good enough to be an elite LT and demand that sort of money, but with that position being in such short supply, maybe I’m deluding myself.

      • Royalwithcheese

        I think he could be a FA target, for sure. If they make any trade, it better be for an OL.

  • I know this was talked about below but good LORD the Giants are falling apart. It may be a trap game indeed if the Broncos completely overlook them after watching all this unfold, but they also could complete the demoralization of that team Sunday night. I vote the latter!

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    How this narrative has flipped…
    If anything, it suggests Trevor is moldable, conforming to Kubiak’s “protect the ball” tendencies and McCoy’s “I want to go out and score points” mentality.

    “14 Trevor Siemian, QB, Broncos

    Siemian has a Tony Romo-like tendency to go for a little too much, which will lead to more entertainment and more need for those legal edibles in Denver.

    2017 stats: 4 games | 62.7 pct | 888 pass yds | 7.0 ypa | 7 pass TD | 4 INT | 46 rush yds | 1 rush TD”

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860068/article/qb-index-week-6-class-of-04-woes-cam-newton-back

    • Royalwithcheese

      Go for a little too much? Does this guy watch the Broncos?

  • Nick

    A future Broncos opponent, one the rest of the division won’t get, gets weakened.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/918269444643835904

    • Yahmule

      Tyler Kroft is playing pretty well, though.

  • Andrew

    I’m as big of a Von Miller fan as the next guy but yeah I’m going to go ahead and sorta disagree with him here.
    https://twitter.com/espnnfl/status/918278257128112128

    • Snatch Mouth

      Biggest diva player in ever in the NFL…Only thing highest on him is his barber when they dreamed up that Barbie hairdo

      • RyanHennigan

        There was this one guy named TO but I see your point.

        Von is just being his loveable self. He may have gone too far though. I won’t hold it against him.

        • Snatch Mouth

          Concur jus sayin the right things…

          TO actually could back his shit up. Goldie locks…hasnt won shit..total fuckin head case

          • DragonPie

            TO was a cancer to his teams in a genuine way. OBJ is a diva and maybe a headcase, but don’t downplay how shitty TO’s behavior destroyed his teams.

          • Snatch Mouth

            Actually McNabb is probably the reason the Eagles didn’t win that Super Bowl year but I could care less about TO the conversation was toward the ballerina on the Giants

          • Nick

            I seem to recall that it took a while before TO because a true cancer, near the end of his 49ers tenure. This is still only OBJ’s 3rd season.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Sorta?

    • Yahmule

      He might be exaggerating for effect or maybe he’s just trying to cheer the guy up during a trying season.

    • gobroncos

      Without context, I can’t help but think he’s kinda taking the piss out of it.

  • Snatch Mouth