• MarsLineman

    Hi guys, a few quick updates on players I’ve been tracking:

    Travis Benjamin’s right posterior hip is already compromised, bringing his speed from elite to merely above-average. This is good news for the Broncos; he’s less likely to break wide open on a seven route (like he did in the week 1 game)

    Dak Prescott continues to show his newly-accurate deep-passing. Given that posterior-focused throwers tend to increase their statistical output as the season progresses, he may yet increase his statistical production.

    Trevor Siemian has shown a few warning signs of a possible recurrence of tendinitis/osis. The clearest visual indicator of shoulder fatigue is that his release point lowers and his throws appear sidearm. The bye will likely help him regain strength, but the next couple months post-bye may test the endurance of his surgically-repaired shoulder.

    Kareem Hunt eludes historical precedent. I haven’t found a single prior example of his levels of posterior efficiency coupled with a clearly inefficient anterior lumbar system. He’s one of a kind, and although his posterior efficiency is off-the-charts, I can’t help but wonder if/when his anterior inefficiency will become relevant.

    I didn’t see Dalvin Cook’s ACL tear coming. On a related note, my lumbar-sachral models are still showing at least one unknown confound. A few new hypotheses are being tested. But until further notice, consider my thoracic-related predictions to come with a much higher level of confidence than my lumbar-related predictions.

    Finally, on a personal level, I try to maintain emotional distance from the players I’m studying (dispassionate objectivity and all). But seeing the Seahawks players rally around Chris Carson and wish him well after his gruesome injury gave me the feels. Apparently I couldn’t help but route for a guy who was clearly a hard-working well-liked member of his team, and it hurt to see him in tears, with a long, tough road ahead of him to recover. As a general rule, the lower on the body, the longer/ more complex the recovery, and Carson’s ankle was bent very far in the wrong direction. I’ll be monitoring his recovery, and wishing him a full return to health. Seachicken or not. The NFL can be a cruel league, and I personally will feel much less conflicted about my fandom when the NFL finally does right by its players. Lifelong premium health insurance being a minimum threshold as far as I’m concerned.

    • Nick

      Thanks for the update. Couple questions:
      –Siemian’s surgically repaired shoulder was his non throwing one. In what manner does that affect his throwing motion?
      –You say you didn’t see Dalvin Cook’s ACL tear coming, why is that? Are there certain biomechanical traits that make an ACL tear more likely? If so, that seems like something that would be valuable during draft evaluations.

      • MarsLineman

        Siemian’s elective surgery likely shortened the connections on his non-throwing shoulder in order to give his right shoulder greater strength/ stability (judging by some conventional elective tendinosis surgeries, and the changes in Siemian’s posterior shoulders post-surgery). While the initial injury last season was to his left shoulder, the tendinosis he experienced for much of the season was in his right shoulder.

        In retrospect, I can see that Cook’s lateral anterior system was pretty tightly-wound. Tightness and efficiency are not mutually exclusive (see functional efficiency vs stable efficiency), and if Cook’s lateral anterior lumbar system was efficient while also remaining slack (when not in direct use) it would indicate that he would be unlikely to experience problems in that area (minus contact). As for tendencies, consider that Cook was often visually compared to Jamaal Charles, who has an extensive history of ACL issues. I probably should’ve seen some warning signs and investigated closer

        • DCJ1

          To add a perhaps overly simplistic note to MarsLineman’s explanation: The throwing motion involves using the non-throwing arm to help generate body torque and add velocity to the ball. QBs and pitchers both use a similar mechanic while loading: the throwing arm cocks back, the shoulders turn parallel to the target, and the non-throwing arm extends toward the target. To throw, the non-throwing arm is pulled back into the body to start the shoulder rotation, followed by the throwing arm extending toward and through the release point. Without this sequence, the throwing arm cannot generate any velocity (think of a toddler throwing a ball). In fact, arm strength is probably 3rd or 4th on the list of prerequisites for throwing (for a pitcher I’d rank it: hip turn, shoulder turn, leg drive, arm strength).

          As MarsLineman said, the injury to Siemian’s non-throwing shoulder forced him to compensate with his throwing arm to generate velocity. The change in his throwing motion created more strain on his throwing shoulder, inducing the tendonosis.

          • MarsLineman

            Thanks for the great explanation!

    • Yahmule

      Any thoughts on possible Carson replacement JD McKissic, Mars?

      • MarsLineman

        I didn’t look at him too closely, but I wasn’t terribly impressed by his posterior lumbar efficiency in the little bit I saw. He definitely looks the part of a converted WR- very good speed, but he seems to go down on first contact, and lacks patience running through the tackles. Ty Montgomery was also a WR, but even as a WR, his running was always notably powerful. Keeping in mind the small sample, I’d project McKissic as an outside run/ receiving specialist

        • Yahmule

          I think they haven’t given up on Thomas Rawls just yet. He caught the dreaded high ankle sprain early in camp and is still getting into shape.

  • Nick

    Very happy to see Ridley get a job, I hope he does well.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/915922920236621824

    • SteveS

      Kapri had a tryout with the Texans a couple of days ago

      • Nick

        I didn’t know that Bibbs failed to make the 49ers. Too bad for them, that 4th they’re sending to Denver is looking to be a high one right now.

        • Yahmule

          Man, we really pulled the wool over Lynch’s eyes on that one.

          • Nick

            This wasn’t Lynch, but for the 49ers as an organization it’s a little payback when they pulled the wool over the Broncos in the Cody Latimer trade. That was embarrassing.

          • Royalwithcheese

            Why you gotta go there?

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Latimer was very hyped leading up to the draft. I thought he represented good value at the time. Such an inexact science.

          • Nick

            My problem wasn’t with Latimer himself, but the trade compensation. Sorry if this triggers RWC, but to review, DEN gave SF a 5th and a 2015 4th to move up…and then one spot later SF sent just that 5th to MIA to move back up. SF pocketed a 4th rounder from DEN for moving one damn slot down in the late 2nd round. Elway should have been working the phones better with Miami to avoid getting robbed like that.

          • Yahmule

            Possible Miami wouldn’t have been as generous in conference.

          • Nick

            Seems like teams only play hardball within the division, but I could be wrong about that, would be worth studying.

          • GrizzlyB

            I always took it as a sign that the Dolphins were targeting Latimer, and were okay moving back and settling for Jarvis Landry (a truly lucky move, if so).

            Latimer, for me, and without ever looking at him too closely, was one of the top prospects to be wary of, because even though he had 1-2 round grades late in the process, I recall seeing him listed in the 6th or thereabouts before his foot healed enough for him to run. Never a good sign for the tape standing on its own.

          • Yahmule

            I can’t really hold his disappointing career against Cody too much because he really does seem to be a hard working guy. I have no idea why he can’t translate his physical talent into consistent production. It is painful to know that at least 14 WR came out of that draft who have just blown him away to this point.

          • MattR

            I kinda have to wonder if Manning’s perfectionism ruined his confidence or got him thinking too much instead of just playing.

          • Yahmule

            Remember when sports psychologists were a thing for a while there?

    • Forrest Trump

      I thought he had a surprisingly nice camp. I thought he deserved to make the team.

      • G Mik

        Agree he had a great camp – he looked very much the part to me as well. While he played well enough to deserve a roster spot I can’t agree it was with the Broncos. I wouldn’t have kept him over anyone we currently have. Would you cut Booker or Deangelo for a 1-year player? And clearly we wouldn’t keep him over CJ or Jamaal. That leave Jano. Would you want to cut Jano to keep a 5th RB? He just got caught up in a roster squeeze.

        • Forrest Trump

          I understand the logic behind the roster decisions and such, so I didn’t expect him to make the team or find it controversial when he didn’t.

          However, I do think he was easily the 3rd best RB in camp this year. Its a bummer that the NFL, like the world, is putting the squeeze on the middle class.

    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      Does this mean my Latavius Murray pick-up was a waste? Could be.

      • Nick

        The Vikings can get a comp pick if they cut Murray before Week 10. I’d be very concerned about that pickup.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          Sigh. At least he’s a backup/flex. I’ve got Bell, Fournette, and CJ as my two rbs and a flex. Good starters, I think, but I’ve got zero depth; Buck Allen, and now Murray. So, a huge drop off for byes and in case of injury.

  • Nick
    • Nick

      Something else I just noticed is that Schefter may be latest trying to avoid using the word Redskins. I just did a Twitter search and in the past month he’s only used it once, opposed to 11 times for Washington.

    • DCJ1

      Coupled with the shouting match Peters was having, it doesn’t reflect well on the fans.

    • Yahmule

      Not the first time the Chopper fans have been overtly racist. After the Broncos whipped that ass 14-10 in Arrowhead on their way to XXXII, a jubilant Neil Smith was being interviewed on the field and you could hear that word clearly come from the stands. Neil ignored it at the time and brushed it off later.

      • Nick

        This adds to the reasons why Neil Smith will go down as a Broncos legend.

        • Yahmule

          I think he was actually more embarrassed than insulted, to be honest. I don’t think he wanted that attitude reflected on their fan base. Talk about being the bigger man.

  • Jeremy

    After last night’s game, I’m in no mood to want to think about sports. Not sure how long it’ll last

    • Nick

      Sounds like you need a Buccaneers victory tonight.

      • Jeremy

        I’d take that

    • Sparks

      Man, so disappointing. I’m proud of the way they fought back and didn’t give in till the last pitch, though. Gray picked a helluva game to have his shittiest outing this season.

    • DCJ1

      I was talking with Nomar Garciaparra when that game was getting underway. He thought a NLDS matchup against the Rockies would be more exciting.

      • masonjar

        How do you know Nomar?

  • Charlotte Observer’s Scott Fowler writes an eloquent defense of Observer beat writer Jourdan Rodrigue and why Cam Newton’s remarks were uncalled for.

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/scott-fowler/article177107336.html

    • Nick

      So since I had Twitter search open anyway, I was curious and decided to search for @Dannon. As expected, since Cam put his foot in his mouth there’s been calls for Dannon to drop him due to his sexism…but before then, there were more protests against Dannon over the national anthem controversy. Either way, I’ll be eager to see how they handle this.

      • Nick

        Wow, good thing that I checked that.

        https://twitter.com/byajperez/status/915969117315899392

        • Nick

          What is with all the conflicting accounts? This continues to make Cam look bad.

          https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/915972556435410944

          • GrizzlyB

            Probably because some intrepid journalists did some digging and found out that Cam was simply calling out a racist:
            http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/05/jourdan-rodrigue-apologizes-for-offensive-tweets/

          • Nick

            From the source PFT referenced:

            This doesn’t excuse Cam Newton’s comment.

            It was still sexist and offensive to not just women in the media, but women in general

          • GrizzlyB

            “But we dug it up anyway.” I guess I’m at a loss as to what purpose it serves, since the story is about Cam Newton and not her, but it’s hardly the first time people have had relatively innocuous and often years-old social media comments dragged out to be used against them (which is exactly what this is an attempt at, despite the disclaimer).

          • Yahmule

            Having lived with a Mexican woman for a few years, I can tell you that talking shit about Oaxaqueños was a major past time in her family.

          • Guess it comes down to whether the morals provision in the contract includes a subjective or objective standard.

          • Here’s the gist of what has really happened.

            https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/915994512639401984

            Long story short: The ads with Newton will no longer appear but Dannon will have to honor the contract Newton signed with the company for endorsements.

            Or as Andrew Brandt explains:

            https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/916013243209998336

        • Forrest Trump

          Boycott boycotts. Its one of my favorite lines from my Manifesto.

          Seriously, though. I’m not wild about this practice. It’s just another way to suppress speech, and we got a little too much of that going around already.

          Obviously there is a line, but I’m not sure Newton got close to crossing it. I think womankind can probably overcome this setback, and Cam doesn’t need the money anyway. He’s grooving on the spotlight.

    • Sparks

      Very well written dressing down of Cam.

    • Yahmule

      My sister and my wife have both been watching football longer than Cam Newton has been alive. They’ve been dealing with this kind of stupid attitude almost as long.

      My wife worked for a company that had a fantasy football league. She and another woman were told they couldn’t play because they were “girls.” She played the following season and unleashed Marino, the Marks Brothers and Marcus Allen on those guys. The following year, her friend Lynne won the league. They didn’t have to listen to any more comments about their degree of football knowledge after that.

  • GrizzlyB

    Alex Marvez asks 8 HOF voters whether they think Eli Manning and/or Philip Rivers should go in. None of them seem to have a particularly strong grasp on either player:
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-philip-rivers-hall-of-fame-giants-chargers-nfl-draft-trade/pzj8m73actly1wzg8ba8swxdv

    • Yahmule

      Voter 2:
      “I always give the caveat that I have to hear whole case and what experts in the league say about the nominee.”

      I give this as the caveat as to why NFL Hall of Fame voting is so terrible. Politicking, horse trading and gossip are the foundation of the exercise.

      • Tyler

        Uhhh as a voter for the HOF shouldn’t this guy be an expert? Maybe the expert opinion he is waiting for should just take his spot as a voter.

    • Forrest Trump

      While I have missed far more performances than I’ve seen, I can’t recall a single second of ever thinking: Wow, Eli Manning is good!! Meh is his more common high-water mark, in my experience.

      Rivers, on the other hand, makes me doubt the outcome of any Broncos Chargers matchup. He is capable of transcending the talent around him, although he might not be HoF consistent in this regard.

      I don’t even think its close.

      Of course, Manning is far more likely to land in HoF.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        Luckily for Denver, Rivers (which I begrudgingly admit is a great quarterback) has the tendency to hold to the ball way too long on critical situations trying to create plays downfield. Rivers getting sacked at least twice on the last drive when down by one score is a staple of the Chargers offense.

    • Nick

      Something to keep in mind is that Eli’s had much worse talent to work with than Rivers has over their careers. Rivers had Tomlinson for the best years of his career, and has had Gates the whole time thus far. I’m also tempted to say that Keenan Allen, when healthy, is a better WR than anyone Eli’s had to throw to. Maybe Plaxico Burress but his career was quite inconsistent.

      • Sparks

        I dunno. I think I’d put OBJ above Allen pretty much any day.

        • Nick

          Forgot about OBJ.

  • Nick
    • Random Anonymous Coward

      “I despise Thursday night games,” Ward said in the locker room Tuesday. “They talk about how they want to keep us healthy, and all these rules to protect the quarterback and protect the receivers, but overall, this is probably the worst thing for a 53-player roster that you can have. In terms of keeping everyone on the field safe, this is probably the worst thing you can do, making us play back-to-back on a Thursday night after a Sunday game.”
      […]
      “All players feel that way,” he said. “I bet you there’s not one player in this whole NFL, or coach, that wants to play Thursday. Not one. For the league to do that, they really don’t care about our health.”

      It’s a shame he won’t be able to play the Pats and give their thin skinned fanbase something new to cry about.
      http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/10/04/bucs-t-j-ward-thursday-night-games-are-bad-for-health-safety/

      Bonus video: https://i.imgur.com/J0Qv04j.mp4

      • GrizzlyB

        I love how their local media writes unapologetically homeristic tripe unironically like that.

        • Random Anonymous Coward

          Well you have to cater to your audience, it worked for Tom Yawkey after all.

      • gobroncos

        That article is total bullshit homerism.

        “One was $5,787 for wearing his jersey untucked – a sure sign that he’s just a dink…” WTF kind of reporting is this?

        Also, the tackle on Gronk was completely legal. He didn’t hit him with the helmet. He took his legs out with his shoulder pads which is what you have to do with Gronk. It was unfortunate it happened at the same time Gronk planted his foot and caused damage to his knee.

  • RSH
    • Royalwithcheese

      Makes his accomplishments all the more remarkable. Khalil who?

    • gobroncos

      Who the hell is Everson Griffen? Never even heard of the guy.

    • QDoc

      I think I saw Von get chipped 20 times in the 4th quarter alone by that damned FB of the Raiders… you sure this data is right?

      • RSH

        I have not run it through my fact checker. 🙂

      • pubkeeper

        Every play

  • RSH

    https://twitter.com/postbroncos/status/915973653862522880

    “I don’t think [Domata Peko] gets enough credit for what he does in the run defense. We got the No. 1 run defense and that’s mainly because of how beastly Peko is,” all-pro outside linebacker Von Miller said. “If you watch the coaches’ film, he’s got two guys on him and he just throws them off. That allows (Derek) Wolfe to be the type of player we all know he can be. So, first and foremost, he’s a beast on the football field and a huge catalyst on our success when it comes to run defense and total defense.”

    • The Color Orange

      I’ll admit to being wrong on this one. When this signing was announced, I looked in dismay at his declining rankings over the past couple of seasons and thought that Elway was just trying to get by on the cheap. Now that may still be true, but it worked out beautifully.

      • Nick

        This is one where I think PFF in particular needs to be called out. They were very Peko-skeptical when he was with the Bengals.

        • GrizzlyB

          PFF doesn’t have even a slight clue how to grade interior players.

          • Andrew

            I remember them being really harsh on dumervil his last season in Denver when it was obvious they putting him in a sacrificial role for the betterment of the team don’t think they know enough about teams schemes and roles to be accurate all the time.

      • I was also wrong on this signing. And we haven’t seen (or had to see) much of Rubin or Kerr yet…

      • Trevor Y

        I was skeptical too, and most of it was admittedly dependence on word-of-mouth, evaluations etc. I was just hoping he could be even SLIGHTLY better than 2016 Sly and that they’d be able to coach around the position. What a pleasant surprise.

        Funny, because on the other hand I was genuinely excited about the Zach Kerr signing at the time and thought he could be a sleeper for Kollar to mold. Only been 17 snaps and one game so far, but I was pretty disappointed by what I saw against the Bills. For 330+ pounds he was getting moved way too easily. Obviously he’s not going to be depended on as much as was thought at the time of the signing, but we need one of Kerr, Rubin or Lil Peko to emerge as the fifth guy who can play either DE or NT.

    • Yahmule

      Also a guy whose impact on the locker room is immeasurable. I was hopeful that he would make a positive impact if we could cut his reps a bit. He’s playing around 41% of the time this year compared to 54% in 2016.

    • Trevor Y

      If I’m not mistaken, Peko was two-gapping in Cincy. He’s a hell of an athlete, really impressed by how well he moves laterally for his size. Makes you wonder what the Bengals were doing, seems to me they could have gotten a lot more out of a tandem of Geno Atkins and Peko.

      This is a team built around the strengths of its players on both sides of the ball. As long as your core components are healthy, that’s the way to go. Just put your talent in position to do what they do best, that’s going to be more effective than any scheme existing in a vacuum. Look at New England’s defense right now. Belichick’s track record would obviously suggest he knows what he’s doing there, they’re just devoid of talent in the front 7. Can’t polish a turd.

      • Yahmule

        The Bengals also had Charles Johnson and Carlos Dunlap @ DE bracketing those guys for a long time. They were like the Garvey/Lopes/Russell/Cey of defensive lines.

      • GrizzlyB

        I don’t think he was two-gapping, but it was a similar style where his job was to control one gap and follow it laterally. I think that’s pretty much been the foundation of the Bengals’ defense for a while, where every gap is accounted for by a specific member of the front 7. So, more of a read-and-react thing.

        PFF obviously favors “see ball, get ball” style of play on the interior DL, even though that’s often not the assignment those players are given. I think it’s one of the reasons J.J. Watt broke their system, because they compared him to guys like Justin Smith based solely on where they lined up, even though they were asked to do completely different things.

      • BlackKnigh

        When I watched the Cincinnati DL – I always thought Peko was the dominant athlete. Amazingly impressive! Why did CIN let him go? Bet they are wondering about that now….

        • RSH

          Look at those wheels and the leap at the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYOuMWDVPcQ

          • Sparks

            Wonder if they’d entertain using Domata in some goal line packages as a FB?

          • BlackKnigh

            Good idea!

          • BlackKnigh

            That guy is fast!! It looked like he was playing LDE on that play.

  • Carsonic

    I always fancied myself a Dwigt Rortugal. https://twitter.com/JahDuran/status/915706456908996618

    • Prater2Beadles4Six

      That’s amazing. I think Bobson Dugnutt might be my new alter-ego

      • cjfarls

        I’m a little more urbane/international… I’ll take Shown Furcotte 🙂

        • Sparks

          I’ll take Tony Smehrik. Please note that my family has pronounced it with an exaggerated “SH”mehrik for generations.

          • Dennis

            I’ll go with Darryl Archideld.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I had the same thought… Which of these is going to be my new alias? Lol.

        • Prater2Beadles4Six

          I think Bobson Dugnutt is a reporter for some non-existent publication. Maybe he could get credentialed:
          “Coach Joseph, Bobson Dugnutt, Durango Daily Bugle Union-Sentinel Tribune Times. I’m wondering if you plan on utilizing the throwing prowess of some of our kicking specialists? and the receiving talents of offensive linemen or other fat dudes?”

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Hahaha! Yes.

          • Sparks

            Ahhh, the ol’ Durango Daily Bugle Union-Sentinel Tribune Times. There was a time that the DDBUSTT ruled the news industry, until those meddling kids and their pesky intraweb came along and ruined everything.

          • Prater2Beadles4Six

            Wow, that is a fortunate and completely unintentional acronym! I like it even more now. Bobson Dugnutt is proud to be a shining beacon for print media.

          • Sparks

            It’s really hard to go wrong with anything that can be labeled Double D Bust-T. 🙂

      • gnasses

        Love it. Dibs on Mario McRlwain, it just fits in here in the Midwest with plenty of “Alex, I’d like to buy a vowel” surnames. Of course it’s actually pronounced “Mah-cone”.

    • Yahmule

      Anatoli Smorin really evokes classic images of America. I can close my eyes and almost smell the warm apple pie.

      • Alaskan

        Sounds too much like Antonin Scalia.

    • pubkeeper

      My kids think I’m Scott Dourque.

    • Fellow MST3K fans will join me in immediately thinking of the many names of Dave Ryder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY
      (Didn’t we have a commenter here named Gristle McThornbody?)

    • Kyle Milligan

      Two favorites have to be Bonzalez and Sernandez.

      This is how I feel reading credits on British tv.

      • cjfarls

        The John Oliver Daily show skit on the “British War Dead” in Afghanistan is some of the hardest laughing I’ve ever done… especially since they changed the names after rehearsal without telling John Stewart, so he wasn’t prepped and was dying in laughter himself.

    • Nick

      Mike Truk looks like a collision between Mike Trout and John Kruk.

      • Yahmule

        Kruk would shake like Homer doing Dr Hibbert’s jiggle test.

      • And Glenallen Mixon is like Glenallen Hill and Otis…Nixon? Most of these are weird conglomerations of real life player names with letters incorrectly transposed. 不気味!

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I feel like Dean Wesrey was probably the result of someone reading “Dean Wesley” aloud and having a little trouble with the L.

  • Yahmule

    Amanda Werner of Americans for Financial Reform crashing the Senate Equifax hearing dressed as the Monopoly Man.

    Equifax execs laughed all the way to their $7.25 million no-bid contract from the IRS to handle sensitive taxpayer information. Pretty nice outcome for them after recklessly mishandling the financial information of nearly half the people in the country.

    October 5, 2017

    • Snatch Mouth

      Monocles are infamously difficult to keep in your eye when you’re staring at too much s*** at once

  • Royalwithcheese

    Random comment: Nick, it would be cool if you had players’ PFF grades listed for the previous or current year for pending FAs on OTC. Just a thought.

    • Nick

      Problem with that is that it would require paying PFF a ton of money for that privilege. Snap counts might be a good add, though.

      • Royalwithcheese

        Yeah, I thought that might be the case.

  • RSH

    Yesterday, Wendy’s and Wing Stop engaged in a rap battle on Twitter. My colleague and I had a good laugh about this.

    https://twitter.com/mourvd/status/916006258909605888

  • Nick
    • Yahmule

      It’s a feel good story for Novak.

      • Nick

        He’ll have the on-field opportunity again to feel good relieving himself.

        • Yahmule

          I would have a bucket in the corner of that medical tent.

    • Brian

      Lambs wasn’t available .

  • Yahmule
    • Hank Mardukis

      Beans is a good nickname.

  • Yahmule

    Jose Altwove!

    • Brian

      Yahmule… please weigh in:

      Carlos Hyde for odb

      Carlos Hyde for Antonio brown.

      Other owner has both odb and brown. I have zeke fournette Hyde doug Martin and joe mixon. My wr are Julio devante Parker devante Adams kelvin benjamin and Larry Fitzgerald

      • Yahmule

        I would take Antonio, but you really can’t lose.

        • Brian

          Thanks. I countered the odb offer with the Antonio offer. To be clear you would accept either one as the Hyde owner?

          • Yahmule

            I would. I think Martin and Mixon is nice depth and you improve your starting lineup. Brown, Julio and Zeke is like having three high first rounders.

  • gobroncos

    So apparently, since Gonk is out, the replacement starting tight end is from Bend, OR, where I currently reside. He and his twin brother went to high school here where he played QB. He switched to TE at the University of Wyoming (Go Pokes). I’ll cheer for him to do well, but I still hope he loses.

    His name is Jacob Hollister and he’s #47. He’s a rook.

    • gobroncos

      I heard his name once. Looks like he got held, but otherwise he hasn’t played much. So maybe overhyped.

  • GrizzlyB

    Brady is getting the shit knocked out of him right now. Thank you, TNF!

  • Jeremy

    TB offense still sucks against #32 DVOA defense

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Tony seems to be really disappointed in Wiston, like really, REALLY disappointed.

    • Brian

      Winston does look pretty terrible.

  • Royalwithcheese

    Crazy amount of holding on that run. Tackled at least two defenders.

  • DCJ1

    Hate the out of bounds call. Return team can get away with murder forcing that.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    What’s the over/under for the half?

  • gobroncos

    stupid bucs. 30 gimme yards and they can’t even kick a field goal.

    • DCJ1

      Waste of time kicking from that far with their kicker. Should have tried another Hail Mary.

      • gobroncos

        I agree.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        Probably didn’t want to risk Wiston getting another cheap shot.

        • gobroncos

          He’s young, he can take it. I bet they’d have loved another cheap shot. Shit a couple more and they’d be inside the 10.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Cam’s response was pretty poor. Should have had him just read off a teleprompter.

  • gobroncos

    Damn it! He was open!

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    He’s not going to be more open Wiston, ever.

    • gobroncos

      That would be bad for whoever got killed, but it would be pretty sweet for the Broncos.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    BB is going to kill someone tonight.

    • gobroncos

      That would be bad for whoever got killed, but it would be pretty sweet for the Broncos.

      Edit: AND the rest of the league.

  • Random Anonymous Coward
  • RSH

    I live for moments like this. Now, capitalize, Tampa!

  • gobroncos

    Aw, COME ON!!

  • RSH

    Tampa Bay: Where placekickers go to die.

    • Jeremy

      Paying $150k for a full time kicking scout and coach seems like a pretty worthwhile investment to me.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Tampa is turning “How To Lose a Game” into a doctoral dissertation.

    By Tampa, I mean Tampa’s offense and ST. The defense showed up.

  • Yahmule
  • Holzy

    I feel horrible for Tampa Bay fans.

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      You mean Florida fans. It’s been a rough decade… or two.

    • Yahmule

      If not for that Super Bowl, they’re easily the worst franchise in league history. The overall franchise W/L percentage is .390.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        New Browns are better?

        • Jeremy

          New Browns are far worse at 0.301%, but per official NFL record books, there is no such thing as the “New Browns” or “Old Browns”, just the Browns.

  • Royalwithcheese

    Pats playing least accurate QB and worst kicker in NFL tonight. Quite the combo!

  • ElwayIsGod7

    Somewhere in the multiverse, kickers go 3/3 against the pats. We live in the wrong universe.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    On a positive note, on November the 12th, Von is going to break DT’s record, and maybe some of TB’s bones.

  • DCJ1

    What’s the over/under on Tampa’s GM being on the phone with Younghoe Koo‘s agent right now?

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    do BB’s former assistants always suck against him no matter what?

    • DCJ1

      Mini-hoodie has a winning record (1-0) against him.

      • ElwayIsGod7

        Mini hoodie is a load his mom should have swallowed.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Go for TWO!

  • Yahmule

    Good deal, I started Brate.

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      Silver linings.

      • DCJ1

        You’ll be sitting pretty when Brate scores the winning TD.

        • Random Anonymous Coward

          All my hopes have already been deflated.

  • gobroncos

    That Manning commercial for Otterbox was pretty funny.

  • gobroncos

    That’s a 47 yard field goal.

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      If he misses it the Bucs will find a way.

      • gobroncos

        Nope

        • Random Anonymous Coward

          Clarification: I meant a way to lose the game.

          • gobroncos

            I meant nope as in he didn’t miss it.

          • Random Anonymous Coward

            He’s going to be missing a paycheck next week that’s for sure.

          • gobroncos

            Yup, I wouldn’t be surprised if they cut the guy.

            Better to just go for it every time than deal with that bullshit.

  • ElwayIsGod7

    Miss it miss it miss it miss it miss it miss it

    • ElwayIsGod7

      God damnit

      • DCJ1

        Probably better this way. Now they can’t play for the field-goal and watch Folk miss it.

        • ElwayIsGod7

          True

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      That onside kick looking dumber and dumber

      • gobroncos

        I dunno, maybe it’s better they have to score a TD. Sometimes you get too cautious when you get within field goal range and with this kicker….pffft…

  • ElwayIsGod7

    So we’re all pulling for the rapist right? Just checking.

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      Who’s a rapist?

      • ElwayIsGod7

        JW

        • Random Anonymous Coward

          Wasn’t he cleared of those allegations?

          • Royalwithcheese

            “Cleared.”

          • Random Anonymous Coward

            I thought he produced 2 eye witnesses that corroborated his version and she had no evidence other than her testimony. But then again, that may be enough for some to consider someone a rapist, or I may be missing pieces of information.

          • Royalwithcheese

            No one knows what went on in private, and I’ve heard her account, which is pretty persuasive.

          • gnasses

            I know which “her” you are referring to, but FWIW there were two separate allegations. Don’t think that kind of smoke happens without some fire behind it. And FSU most definitely acted sleazy as hell about the whole thing.

            https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kirby-dick/how-florida-state-covered_b_9421824.html

            Serves the Bucs right for overlooking this and all the other knucklehead actions of that asshat.

  • Yahmule

    Come on, fuck their season.

  • DCJ1

    Well son of a bitch .

  • Yahmule

    BOOOOO!

  • gobroncos

    Damn!

  • GrizzlyB

    #NoUpdykes

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Bless McManus

  • RSH

    Thanks for nothing, Nick Folk.

    • Yahmule
    • DCJ1

      Seriously. I’d go 0/3 on FG for half his salary…

  • Brian

    Jameis is not good

    • DCJ1

      Nope. He was very inaccurate.

    • Yahmule

      Those parachutes he throws would scare the crap out of me.

  • Snatch Mouth

    Was TJ Ward hurt or benched?

    • DCJ1

      Hurt, I think.

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      Not that he was really missed. Defense played great football (against a very diminished Pats offense, but still)

  • gobroncos

    9 fucking points left on the field!!! Unbelievable. Even just one of those made would have been enough to change the outcome of the game.

  • Alaskan

    I really expected that Tampa had a shot in this one because of everything I had read about NE’s defense.
    But that defense looked pretty good tonight and Winston looked pretty bad.

    • Royalwithcheese

      Pretty sure Winston straight sucks. At least he did tonight. Hard to put it any other way.

      • Alaskan

        T$ looks really good in comparison.