• bradley
  • bradley
    • Both Joseph and Shanahan have players saying they like playing for the guy and he’s “smart” but I really only see specific examples of football intelligence, scheming, etc. provided by players talking about Shanny. With Joseph it’s more generalities.

  • bradley
    • RyanHennigan

      This is great perspective. I have been a supporter all year due to how well he handled an otherwise crappy offense. Seeing Paxton out there only help solidify my confidence in Trevor. I feel great with him as the QB moving forward.

    • Shocking that Latimer hasn’t been given more opportunities. He has all the tools and seems to make plays when on the field. And the stats certainly seem to backup that he’s good for the run game. There has to be a way to get him on the field at the same time as Sanders, not an excuse that “they play the same position.”

      From Mason:

      “Latimer has always shown enough on special teams to warrant a role, and his physicality on the outside in run blocking cannot be overlooked. His work helped the Broncos average 5.0 yards per carry in the 87 rushes for which he was on the field, compared to 3.26 yards for the running plays in which he did not take part.”

      • Yahmule

        Except he really hasn’t made many plays in his offensive snaps. He was playing around a third of the offensive snaps for the first five weeks and he wasn’t making any impact. As a result, Jordan Taylor gradually took his snaps. By the end of the year, Taylor had played 5% more and he was twice as productive as a receiver.

        I love Latimer’s attitude. He hasn’t made his mark as a receiver, but he has been committed to making contributions as a blocker and a special teams guy. He would be a fan favorite if he had been drafted in round six instead of round two. But the notion that he hasn’t had chances through two different coaching staffs is a fairy tale. He said himself that he had problems playing with Manning because he felt intimidated. The team should have quietly scheduled him to see a sports psychologist as soon as he made this admission. Besides health, confidence is the single most important factor in successful performance in athletics.

  • The Color Orange

    MHR summary of an afternoon drive segment with Shapiro and Goodman, with link to the audio. I haven’t listened to it yet, but they think that Wade Phillips is probably gone under either Shanahan or Joseph because the front office is “done with Phillips.” I find that hard to believe. It seems that if that were the case, his situation would be more clear by now and he would be talking to other teams. http://www.milehighreport.com/2017/1/10/14220712/broncos-leaning-toward-vance-joseph

    • T. Jensen

      I can only see that if Wade is pricing himself out. Other than that I don’t see why they would be done with him unless the new coach wanted to bring in his own guy.

      One other theory I thought about a day or two ago is: I wonder if Wade gets bored easily and becomes predictable after a few years. I can see him loving the challenge of using his new toys for a few years and gets bored. I haven’t tested my theory but I want to go see if there is a drop off in his defense in years 3 or 4 for his other teams.

      • Jeremy

        Wade has not had the success he has had in Denver everywhere. He has coached some very good defenses, and he has had some very bad seasons as well. His last year in Hou they were awful. Same thing last year in Denver first go around. Many other examples. His three most recent stops before Hou (Atlanta, SD and Dallas) he never really did anything special, and most were pretty average statistically.

        http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PhilWa0.htm

        I averaged it out, and overall his defenses have averaged a ranking of about 14/31 in yards, points, and Takeaways. There isn’t a huge difference if you look at just defenses when he was a coordinator vs a head coach.

        This isn’t to take away from what Wade has done, but I don’t believe everything he touches will turn to gold, as some here seem to do.

        • The Color Orange

          Right, because players matter. You can’t expect him to achieve this level of success with mediocre players. And coaching matters, too. That’s why Del Rio wasn’t as good with this same talent. However, with the players that this team has, there is EVERY reason to believe that what Wade will turn what he touches to gold. We have the perfect combination of top talent and top coordinator. Why mess that up?

          • Jeremy

            I guess my points were 1) I don’t think he’s looking to go to some new challenge on a mediocre team, since he hasn’t had much success with that and 2) I don’t think his track record is quite as good as many fans believe, so there’s reason to believe another DC coordinator may have success here as well with this talent. Of course, another DC may not be able to have the same success and I’m having trouble coming up with a good reason for why risk it. You can say because he’s old, but if some DC comes in here and has a lot of success, he’ll likely be a HC candidate and gone soon as well

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Historically Phillips has generally had the most success early in his tenure as DC, with results regressing somewhat as time passes. He’s highly aggressive in the front seven and plays almost exclusively man coverage, which is a tremendous fit for the Broncos’ personnel, specifically its great defensive backfield and edge rushers. What made it even better last year was the presence of two very fleet ILBs who could cover RBs and TEs in Trevathan and Marshall. With Trevathan’s departure and Marshall’s hamstring injury, the defense became far less bullet-proof in 2016. We may be starting to see a repeat of what’s happened to his defenses elsewhere, in that they’ve been vulnerable to runs up the middle because of the focus on bringing pressure and the occasional big play in the passing game because of all the man coverage.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            Or QB scrambles for 20 yards on 3rd and long.

            Just the bullet you have to bite for playing a certain man coverage scheme against hybrid QBs like Luck.

          • Yahmule

            We should also consider that 2015 was also a year when pretty much everything came together. The only significant injury was an incredibly well timed one that left DeMarcus Ware with fresh wheels for 50.

        • Kndh19

          All I know is that Wade took over a defense that was a little above average and turned into one of the best units of all time, using mostly the same players. I would hate to see a step back to what we had with JDR.

      • Well the other thing is Wade is what 69? I’m no ageist so maybe he can still keep going strong for awhile longer but have to think he may get tired of grind soon and wouldn’t blame him for getting bored or less invigorated. So regardless Broncos would have to prepare a next heir even if he came back for another year …

      • The Color Orange

        Agreed. Wade wants to be paid like a top coordinator, and if we know John Elway at all, we know he doesn’t want to pay anyone like a top coordinator. I’m sure he wants Wade to take less because this is the best D coordinator job available. It’s interesting that Elway hasn’t been able to reach an agreement with the organization on an extension either. It appears that not even Elway is immune from being Elwayed.

        • Jeremy

          Is there any actual reports about compensation being the issue, or just speculation from people on here? Isn’t the DC salary relatively small compared to salary cap and other expenses?

          • Have read here and there that b/c he was out of football when hired by Denver the team got him on a very favorable two yr. deal and it has been widely reported that despite some extension talks this season the two sides couldn’t reach an agreement… but there have been no actual reports that Wade wants to be the highest paid DC to my knowledge.

          • The Color Orange

            It has been reported that Wade wanted an extension and a raise after the Super Bowl, but the sides couldn’t come to an agreement, so Wade got a small raise instead. If compensation isn’t the issue, what in the world would it be? Performance?

          • Jeremy

            A new coach wants to bring in his own guy. And they aren’t going to extend Wade until they have their HC and he confirms he wants him.

          • Kush-Lash

            I think this is the most simple explanation and completely agree. It’s just good business when hiring to give the incoming candidate the best opportunity to succeed, even if it means running the risk of letting existing staff look for work elsewhere.

        • Paco Alonzo

          I believe the ownership doesn’t want to pay top dollar to anyone not ELway. He is just doing his job.

      • drewthorn

        I think somebody here once pointed out that Phillips’ trend is to improve a unit quickly and considerably, but that those Ds have generally declined over time under his watch.

        I think people badly underestimate the advantage of perhaps the best secondary ever assembled. Pair that with two ILBs we can run with and effectively cover RBs and TE in a pinch, and you have the ability to cause relentless mayhem with your safeties. That is incredibly convenient to a play caller, and Phillips made good use of it.

        I like Wade as much as anybody, doubt that the universe will collapse on its self iif he re-enters retirement.

        • Yahmule

          The season before Wade got here, we had Nate Irving and Steven Johnson tag teaming MLB to horrific effect. The year before that, we started Paris friggin’ Lenon @ MLB in SB XLVIII. Wade got a contract year out of Malik Jackson and he didn’t have Rahim Moore sabotaging him deep. The defensive roster was considerably deeper in 2015 overall. But, you’re fighting a losing battle here. “Wade had the greatest defense in history with the same personnel as Del Rio” is going to be repeated until it becomes another “John started Tebow because he wanted the number one pick”.

          Our defensive performance against the run this year, minus Malik, Trevathan, Walker and part of Marshall are all the proof anyone should need that talent is more important than coaching. Not to say it’s not an accomplishment to win with talent because coaches in every sport fail to do so every year. Wade’s contributions to the great 2015 season were vital.

          There’s a bullshit cliche that has floated around for a long time and it has gained steam in recent years as conditions for workers in this country have gradually worsened. Countless times, some beleaguered middle manager would call a meeting to address staff reductions in Everywhere, USA and grimly, but resolutely announce that everything will be okay, “Because we’re going to do more with less.”

          They know it’s a lie and that in reality, you do less with less. David Simon addresses this idea multiple times in The Wire and also in interviews as he discusses the slow death of the newspaper industry.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I agree about Wade having more talent to work with, but he also did a better job of using that talent. Miller, Wolfe, Williams, Marshall, Trevathan, Talib, and Harris were all better-suited for Phillips’ 3-4 than they were for Del Rio’s 4-3 hybrid. It’s not necessarily because Phillips is that much smarter or more innovative; rather, he walked into a situation with players so perfectly suited for his scheme that essentially all he had to do was teach them the calls. He deserves plenty of credit, though, because there is simply no way Del Rio has that kind of success with the defense in 2015 with his patty cake contain approach.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            And then I read yours. Agree 100 percent.

          • Steven_Searls

            If I were a Defensive player I’d want to play more for Wade than Del Rio any day pf the week. I’m fairly certain that there wasn’t a lot of love lost between our defense and Jackie boy when he departed for Da Rayduhs!

          • Yahmule

            I was never a Del Rio fan. I can barely remember him talking to the media twice during his time in Denver.

            I think Wade has had a better career as a DC. I just think we had tremendous talent and depth practically everywhere in 2015. The only time our depth was found wanting that season was @ safety against those cheap shot artists in Pittsburgh.

          • PiperAR

            In preparing for the possibility of a new DC, I’ve considered how players fit scheme. I don’t agree that it’s given that the scheme fit was better.
            Talib and Harris: CB play isn’t affected by what the front 7 is doing. JDR, while using more zone that Wade, I don’t recall being so zone heavy that T&H were ‘wasted’.
            Trevathan and Marshall: I don’t see scheme having a negative effect on the ILBs, either. When the line 2-gaps, the ILBs (34) or Will and Mike (43) don’t have a gap to cover and are free to run to the ball. This should give them the chance to make more tackles. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a diagram of Wade’s base defense but I am pretty sure one or both of the ILBs have to cover a gap. I think I’d prefer T&M running free than filling a gap.
            Wolfe and Williams: Williams isn’t the type of player I’d choose to 2-gap. Wolfe on the other hand, I think filled both roles equally well. In Wade’s defense he has the chance to make more plays himself, while when 2-gapping he’s doing dirty work to benefit the ILBs, as above.
            Von Miller: Under both JDR and Wade, Von sets the edge. No change. If the argument is made that Wade makes better use as a pass rusher, I’d like specific examples or reasons given to support that claim.

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            I agree that talent is obviously key. I also think that coaching is important too, though. As you mentioned, coaches with talented teams fail to win in every sport.

            For me, it comes down to would we still have won the Superbowl last year (with the new guys) if Del Rio had remained as coach. Maybe, but I have strong doubts.

            So, perhaps Wade is no super genius, but he was absolutely the right guy at the right time…

          • drewthorn

            I’m not disputing Wade’s vital role. Love the guy. I just don’t necessarily agree that he gets all the credit. The sun will still rise if it doesn’t work out.

          • drewthorn

            To the extent of how such a thing can be known or quantified, I think losing Danny T. was a big blow. At a minimum, he probably would have been the difference in the Atlanta and Tennessee outcomes. In the case of Atlanta, T. Coleman would have been challenged on passing downs. As for the Titans, Trevathan has the uncanny ability to come up with the violent blow at the crucial moment, setting the tone and asking the opponent the rhetorical question: Do you guys really want to do this?

            Danny T might be one of the best largely obscure players to ever lace them up. It’s a shame that injuries have so badly impacted his career.

          • Yahmule

            He did so much for us, but watching replays of him beat five Panthers to that loose football in Super Bowl 50 almost brings tears to my eyes.

            https://youtu.be/_9B0cLA661A

    • Yahmule

      When negotiations drag out over a year (with an apparently non-satisfactory appeasement thrown in) it’s not unusual for acrimony to develop and become public, but it doesn’t always mean the bridge is burned.

  • T. Jensen

    Thanks for putting the projected picks on the sidebar. That’s a nice feature!

    • Nick

      Thank you! I try not to put too much on the sidebar since most basic information can be found in many other places, but to my knowledge I’m the only one that’s projecting precise numbers for the entire draft at this time of year.

  • Nick

    I don’t know who watched the CFB championship last night (great fucking game, by the way), but when Hunter Renfrow caught the game winning TD pass Twitter was all aflame with jokes that he’d become the next Patriots short, quick white slot receiver. My mind took a different, but still very similar path: that last play looked like the classic Peyton Manning pick play special that Brandon Stokley had mastered with him for so many years.

    • ElwayIsGod7

      No greater feeling in the world than the updykes losing.

    • ohiobronco

      When I went to bed Twitter was all like this game is boring, college football is boring. When I got up Twitter was like best game of all time. Night games, smh.

      • Andrew

        It’s always hilarious when people make statements claiming that college sports have some moral high ground over the pros. Have you ever seen the South Park crack baby basketball episode? Definitely worth a watch they nail the NCAA.

        • Nick

          I never thought anyone would come close to besting the Simpsons in satire among TV shows, but South Park definitely gives it a run for its money, and you can make the argument that they’re better because they’re so timely with their satire. (Best example: “Good Times With Weapons”, and how it completely destroyed any notion that the Janet Jackson halftime show should have been a big deal.)

        • PiperAR

          Ma’am, I don’t make the rules. I just think them up, and write them down.

      • Snatch Mouth

        Its the most corporate sport in America

        • Sparks

          NASCAR would give it a run for its money for this title. πŸ™‚

          • Snatch Mouth

            Fair enough…that’s a sport though?

        • Nick

          I don’t know which sport is the “most corporate”, but the NCAA is definitely the organization that’s in the most denial about it.

          • Snatch Mouth

            Yes like the fat guy in your office that doesnt eat cake, working on his eating habits…in front of anyone anyway but rolls in it gleefully in solitaire

      • Sparks

        I wonder if Klatt was saying that from his perch on the Home Depot set, while reporting on two teams that won both the Chick-Fil-A Peach Bowl and PlayStation Fiesta Bowl, while drinking Coke and wearing a Men’s Wearhouse suit.

        • RSH, Esq.

          As my father-in-law says, “You’re going to like the way you look, but not for long.”

        • ohiobronco

          Don’t be ridiculous. He was drinking Dr. Pepper.

    • Snatch Mouth

      Or Welker…was an very well executed play as well as the onside to end it

    • Yahmule

      I loved how nonchalant he was after catching the game winner. “Another touchdown reception against Alabama, ho hum. Here, ref.”

      • Nick

        That’s exactly how the honorable, gentlemanly NCAA wants its players to behave after scoring a TD, right?

        (I so badly want a sarcasm font for this comment.)

        • Yahmule

          I thought that was a million times colder than anything else he could have done.

    • Snatch Mouth

      …Eddie Murphy Rocky voice…

      Great fuckin’ movie!

  • RSH, Esq.

    Per Adam Schefter, “β€ͺDolphins DC Vance Joseph scheduled to interview Thurs with 49ers, per source. But that’s if Denver, interviewing Joseph today, lets him go.‬” https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/1372908596095111.

  • Snatch Mouth

    I think Siemian and Lynch benefit most from Kyle Shanahan long term so his hire would be the best overall investment. Wade, Joseph, Kubiak, KS all were in HOU together at one point or another…so its highly likely to be a combination of that group…minus Kubiak and tea leaves say…

    Shanahan interview req’d first and almost immediate

    Joseph like it or not..had to interview with his Dolphin defense…failed royal against a foe we will likely face in coming playoff opportunities being an AFC contender annually…

    Wade most likely retained with Shanny being VJ will be a DC first..and rumors have Joe Woods getting called up…

    Wade doesn’t want to leave….

    Money is not an issue overall…power and hierarcy is…teams that hire coordinators first handcuff incoming head coaches and end up a lame duck…

    Timing less of an issue than people think….in fact if ATL crushes in their home game…Shanahan interviews well in live action…

    Elway got beat by KS this year….handly game planning our Wade led D…vua the PASS out of the backfield…

    Our O personell fits KS already…

    My understanding is VJ runs a 4-3…not our current scheme for the most part but our hybrid is prevelant as well as nickel and dime being most frequently used…

    VJ interview is today…KS plays this weekend so we’ll know by Friday or so if we’re waiting…

    VJ’s Bengals owned Manning via the CIN loss when D.Kirkpatrick took away his side…

    No Trent Baalke in sight so far..(thank God)

    ….Feel free to add to our wall here….

    • RSH, Esq.

      Vance Joseph prefers to run a 3-4 scheme, but based on Miami’s personnel, he decided to run a 4-3 system this year. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/15/vance-joseph-explains-decision-to-stick-with-4-3-defense-in-miami/. Based on Joseph’s track record, I have little doubt that he would deploy a 3-4 base defense in Denver.

      • Snatch Mouth

        Maybe that’s why his D blew cheese this yr

        • RSH, Esq.

          It would not make much sense to play Suh at nose tackle in a 3-4. Regardless, he would probably revolt at the idea.

          • Snatch Mouth

            It didn’t make sense to sign him for a hundred million dollars but that’s Miami. When you let your players control your team you see what happens. I think they overachieved this year, I mean why didn’t they play Ajayi Week 1?

            Sometimes I think coaches get a little too caught up in the scheme so it’s refreshing to see that he was going to adjust but he got definitely out of his comfort zone and the injuries didn’t help. And watching that game versus Pittsburgh it wasn’t just scheme or just the players it was a collective f******. There were guys running in that linebacker crew and secondary standing up watching the Play From Afar barely getting off their blocks.

            I don’t think that Bell be as successful in Kansas City

          • Yahmule

            I honestly wouldn’t want Suh even at a reasonable price. He disrespects opponents worse than anybody I’ve seen in many years and he disrespects his teammates by freelancing. Just rather have a guy like Von who actually gives a shit about people.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            No, but he’d be an excellent 5-tech 3-4 DE.

          • RSH, Esq.

            As long as he was not asked to two-gap.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Because he’s not good at it, or because he doesn’t want to?

          • RSH, Esq.

            I doubt he would want to. A man of Suh’s size and athleticism could easily two or one-gap.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            That was my thought. He’s the strongest man I’ve ever seen on a football field (remember when he rag-dolled Jay Cutler a few years ago?). I’m pretty sure he could accomplish any task assigned to him, provided he wants to.

          • Yahmule

            Also kind of a bad idea since Miami didn’t have one quality linebacker, let alone four.

        • Just as likely his defense blew cheese (or blue cheese) this year because it had like 2 good players.

          • Snatch Mouth

            Miami had no business in the playoffs in my opinion, that should have been Denvers slot… had we not folded vs. Kansas City

          • gobroncos

            And Tenn, and NE.

      • Hercules_Rockefeller

        I really like coaches that are willing to adapt their schemes to the personnel as needed. A flexible mind is a great thing to have in any leadership position

        • Nick

          Mike Tomlin is the best example of this. He made his move up under the Tampa 2 system, but stuck with Dick LeBeau’s radically different zone blitz 3-4 for much of his tenure in Pittsburgh.

    • PiperAR

      In continually between Wade and the possible next guy, the 34 vs 43 label is the last thing I’m concerned about. Fox/JDR ran a 43 that played like a two-gap 34. Wade’s 34 plays like a 43 under. They players line up the same and do the same thing. The difference is if you call Von a SAM or an OLB, call Wolfe a DE or DT, call Ray a DE or an OLB.

      • Snatch Mouth

        I think that as well but you see a lot of ANALytics with that empashsis on which scheme mattered but usually in hindsight when a guy either overachieves or underachieves….Newsflash, the players play..and I agree with you completely

  • QDoc

    I think we’ll have a good idea of who our next HC will be by the end of today.

    If VJ leaves town without an offer, then the writing is kind of on the wall.

    Isn’t it?

    • Russ

      Agreed. I was thinking if we don’t know by end of day Wednesday, we can probably assume we’re waiting, but you might be right.

    • pubkeeper

      Yep, if they want Joseph, they won’t let him on that plane.

      • Jeremy

        Because I’m sure once he interviews with the upstanding franchise that is the 49ers, there’s no way he would ever come back to us.

        I agree in principle though

        • The Niners can have Todd Haley who is apparently available! A handshake deal would suffice.

        • Hercules_Rockefeller

          yeah, we’re definitely in an enviable position here. It’s hard to put aside my inherent bias as a fan, but the weay I see it the Broncos job has to be the job you want. You’ve got 7 choices (including don’t take a HC job and get more experience as a coordinator), and three of them are for teams that have gone through head coaches on a regular basis the last few years. The other two aren’t quite as bad (Rams and Chargers) but aren’t great situations either.

          That said, If Elway decides Joseph is his guy, I think it’s unlikely that he takes the risk of letting him leave the state without a contract.

          • gobroncos

            If nobody hears from Joseph in 3 days, we should probably call the cops.

    • RSH, Esq.
    • Nick

      That’s been my feeling for a while. We shall see.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • ElwayIsGod7

      The entire town of Tuscaloosa probably lost all their money betting on the mullets to win last night. If I were Clemson I’d put a security detail on my trees.

  • RSH, Esq.
  • Snatch Mouth

    My thoughts exactly…I just cant write em all down organized.. and stuff

    http://www.scout.com/nfl/broncos/story/1744483-denver-can-t-repeat-the-adam-gase-history

    • Best article on the coaching search I’ve read so far, thanks.

    • drewthorn

      Resplendent in irony. The tragic hero, Adam Gase– who Denver recklessly let slip out of their grasp– remains a vision, yet he coached the game widely regarded as the disqualifying blow to VJ’s candidacy. Sure, they barely scored against a shakey Steeler defense, but injuries, you know? Nary a mention of the vast number of young genius-of-the-moments who fell flat the fuck on their faces, either. Let’s leave that unmentioned because the largely ambiguous results of the budding Gase dynasty trump the lessons of history.

      Rhett, this is exactly why places like this exist.

      • Snatch Mouth

        Your brain is swelling with that fantastic vocabulary….here the real fuckin’ answer….NO ONE KNOWS

        • drewthorn

          For the record, I wasn’t putting you down. Just the original piece of journalism. I embrace my lack of know.

          • Snatch Mouth

            Oh I know dude…love the vocab…think I strained while following, bathroom fart style

      • Steven_Searls

        Points for slipping in a trump pun.

      • Rhett Rothberg

        What was the question? πŸ™‚

        • Yahmule

          Why do logic and reason fail to explain that which is true?

          Also, why does time exist?

          Thanks, man.

          • Rhett Rothberg

            Logic and reason are the only way to explain that which is true.

            Don’t know why. But it does.

            You’re welcome πŸ™‚

        • drewthorn

          Didn’t you ask yesterday what the point of a place like this is?

          I think the attraction is that the mainstream sites give swift treament to complicated questions. The analysis here isn’t always right or great, but it is usually deeper and almost always more original.

          I think we have engineers, lawyers, doctors, whatevers here that put more thought into the NFL than the majority of the professional pundits. More importantly, people here aren’t restrained by pandering to their popularity or credibility.. Its a good place to see the ‘rest of the story.’

          • Paco Alonzo

            Hey how about all the blue collar folk.

    • cjfarls

      I tend to lean this way too… KS is one of the few folks doing really interesting things on offense these days in the NFL, has a system that fits our current personnel, etc. He seems like a great candidate.

      That said, a head coach job is a lot bigger than that of a coordinator. Can KS handle the bigger aspects of roster leadership, organization, communication, etc.that is demanded from a HC? If Joseph for Taub seem like better fits for those bigger parts of the job, everything in paragraph #1 is moot.

      If we don’t pick K Shanahan, I think there will be huge opportunity for second guessing the front office if the team struggles. Enough that team struggles could lead to Elway getting canned?… maybe. But the whole point is Elway is trying to pick the candidate he thinks is least likely to struggle. If his chosen coach is successful, that’s all that really matters.

  • https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/818886672225943552

    In fact, he knows VJ so well that he also knows he’s not the right fit for the Broncos HC:

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/818161561168551936

    • RSH, Esq.

      This is a very bizarre tweet.

      • He’s a bizarre guy.

        • Yahmule

          It seems like he’s desperate to be right about who they pick with just enough ass covering the other way.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      What he’s missing here is that not all great coordinators make great HCs, and not all HCs were great coordinators. If it was based solely on success as a coordinator, Shanahan would be the obvious choice.

      • bradley

        Or Taub.

      • drewthorn

        I get really frustrated with the assumption that head coaching is all about X’s and O’s. Lots and lots of humbled geniuses trying to rehabilitate their reputations out there right now. Far more than there are 30-something success stories. In fact, outside of John Gruden, is there an example of a genius of the month that didn’t stumble badly out of the gate?

        I hate the very real possibility that Denver might be KS’s vital learning experience. The idea of him is obviously intoxicating, but the very important historical trend is being completely ignored in this debate.

        • Snatch Mouth

          Would be the for any of the three head coaches, no experience…

          Trust in Elway to get the right guy, all of us don’t really know shit…

          • bradley

            Even if all of us had been a fly on the wall at all three interviews, we still wouldn’t know hit.
            Fun to talk about it all, though.

          • Snatch Mouth

            A blast for sure, I want some dirt on the Asterisks….need to have Patricia in for a meet…

          • gobroncos

            Wrote what I did before I saw this. You said it more succinctly than I did.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Shanahan is still my first choice, but I understand the concern. I think each situation and each candidate need to be viewed case-by-case. In this particular case, because the offense was putrid and because the defense is championship caliber, I think Shanahan is the best choice. The offense needs to become functional as quickly as possible to maximize the chance for another Lombardi trophy in the next 2-3 years. I don’t think, though, that the X’s and O’s tactician is always the best option for HC.

          • gobroncos

            I agree. Short term, without knowledge of the interviews, Shanahan seems to be the best option to give us the highest chance to get back to the Superbowl quick. Long term, who knows. Shanahan could STILL be the best long term answer. Or he could be the worst. Or he could be 5% less successful than what VJ would be, but if he gets us that Superbowl, then 5% is an easy give. There’s just no way to know.

        • The Color Orange

          Or the very real possibility that it’s Vance Joseph’s vital learning experience.

          • drewthorn

            No doubt. But right now, VJ is being treated with warranted scepticism and KS is being glorified.

            I honestly have no dog in this fight. I just prefer fair fights.

          • gobroncos

            In all fairness, we’re just speculating. I’m sure Elway will pick who he thinks has the best chance to be a successful head coach for the Denver Broncos. Whether Elway is fair about it, who knows. VJ could very well just be satisfying the Rooney rule. Or, at the opposite end, is it fair that VJ has the opportunity to be hired now while Shanahan has to wait until they lose in the playoffs or win the Superbowl? A lot of teams hire the first available candidate out of a group they want, whether he’s their first choice or not because they don’t want to lose out on getting ONE of their top candidates. Say they wait for Shanahan, and VJ hires on somewhere else, but then another team offers Shanahan a lot more money and he goes there. Then we’re screwed out of both. We all know this. Is it fair? No.

            Edit: The only way to make it fair is to eliminate racism and delay the hiring of new coaches until after the Superbowl.

          • drewthorn

            Before I post anything, I see it as a given that I don’t know shit. I would hope we are all equally restrained by the same notion.

            On the surface, KS wins in route. He is the picture of innovation and success. But this plucking of the low hanging fruit has a pretty consistent history of ending badly.

            My position has been and will remain that Elway will have very good reasons for whatever decision he makes. I’m just not looking forward to the sustained tantrum we’ll have to endure if KS isn’t that choice. I don’t envy the climate that VJ or DT will already have to overcome.

          • gobroncos

            That’s why Elway get’s paid the big bucks! I know I don’t know anything. I have my preferences, but I don’t have the same picture Elway does, nor do I have his record of sustained success.

        • gobroncos

          But so are Toub and VJ. They’ve not been HC’s anywhere. They’re coordinators, same as KS. without being in the interview room with Elway and without really knowing what it takes to be a head coach (as a common fan), any one of these guys is just as likely to succeed or fail as a head coach. Only Elway and his staff can make the decision based on the information they have and even then they could get it wrong because a good interviewer does not a HC make.

  • Perhaps Paul Guenther should get an interview as well. Broncos already have a great DB coach in Joe Woods, ha.
    https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/818860424380772353

    • RSH, Esq.

      I am not holding Miami’s defensive performance on Sunday against Vance Joseph’s head coaching candidacy. As has been pointed out, the Dolphins’ defensive personnel except for Suh is average to terrible. Additionally, the Broncos’ elite defense of 2015 surrendered 34 points to the Steelers in what was akin to a playoff game last season.

      • Agree on not holding Sunday or the year (from a ranking/stats POV) against him. I think it’s funny though that he somehow gets majority of the credit for Cincy’s 41 INTs from 2013-2015… it’s a team effort among staff and of course players. He was impressive enough in interviewing two yrs. ago to have him back and that says a lot about what the FO thinks of him.

        • Yahmule

          Ask Dre Kirkpatrick – whose career was going nowhere – or George Iloka how they feel about him.

          • I don’t doubt the players love the guy, we’ve heard it over and over from many sources. I just think it’s funny on the one hand to not hold him accountable for the Dolphins defensive performance this season yet trumpet the 41 INTs from the two years he coached DBs in Cincy.

          • Yahmule

            I think it’s funny that success with good players and a lack of success with bad players isn’t pretty self explanatory.

      • gobroncos

        Maybe not just that game, but his whole season as DC? That defense hasn’t been great. And while talent does play a part, so does coaching. I would think that a good DC would be able to keep defensive roster bereft of talent at least middle of the pack and not in the bottom 4-5 defenses in the league. Also, if he’s head coach, then he won’t have the time to focus on the defensive secondary like he did in Cincy. His ability to be a HC is vastly different than his ability to be a DB coach. If Elway hires him, it won’t be because he’ll increase our interception rate. It’ll because Elway thinks he’ll be able to lead the whole team and put the right coordinators in the right positions to succeed.

        • cjfarls

          Talent generally trumps scheme, particularly on defense.
          A good defensive coordinator can possibly hide 2 or 3 weakspots in a defense… he can’t hide 5+.
          Remember a good offense is as good as its best players, because the offense chooses the play call/direction. A defense is as good/bad as its worst players, because an offense can target them.
          Unless you have an elite penetrating talent like Miller that can individually quickly blow up plays, or a “shutdown corner” like Champ/Revis in their prime that can hold their own without any over-the-top support… initiative is the offense’s.

  • The Color Orange
  • InSiemianWeTrust

    I honestly don’t understand PFFs rankings sometimes. Secondary rankings.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-secondaries-this-season/

    • Andrew

      Lol Dallas best secondary in the league what are those boys smoking over there.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    http://milehighsports.com/look-inside-kyle-shanahans-interview-denver-broncos/

    Who leaks these kinds of question-specific info? Broncos brass and KS in the room? I don’t know why Kyle’s agent would leak this info..

    • Has there been any indication that Kyle wants his dad on his staff, wherever he ends up?

      β€œI can also tell you that the subject of Kyle’s father was not brought up by the Broncos,” reported Shapiro. β€œHowever, Kyle brought it up and Joe Ellis, the president of the club, very, very quickly said β€˜I don’t have a problem with Mike Shanahan being back in this building.’”

      • Nick

        I’m having a tough time envisioning any sort of major role Mike Shanahan could even have within the building.

        • Agreed.

        • ElwayIsGod7

          My fantasy:

          Mike is kind of finished being a HC, and just wants to help his kid kick ass as OC πŸ™‚

          No mike the GM, just Mike the playcaller. Wouldn’t that be something?

          • He publicly said he’s done coaching but has been actively lobbying for a FO/executive role.

          • ElwayIsGod7

            Oh. Well nevermind then.

        • Yahmule

          Do we need a guy to pointedly ignore players he’s feuding with when he passes them in the hallway? Because Mike has really got that down now.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Tanning bed maintenance?

      • RSH, Esq.

        Regardless of what Kyle wants or has said about his father’s involvement with the Broncos should Kyle become head coach, the potential or appearance of any meddling by Mike is my biggest concern with Kyle’s head coaching candidacy.

    • The Color Orange

      I grabbed this from a message board. This guy thinks it’s Mike Shanahan who’s talking.

      “Les Shipiro was talking to Goodman today on Mile High Sports about his sources
      that have knowledge about the Kyle Shanahan interview. Now, he didn’t say who
      his sources was [sic], but I believe it was Mike Shanahan himself.
      Why? Because it is well known that Shipiro is good friends with Shanny and spends many Sundays
      at Mike’s home watching football. Also, he gave details that only someone in the
      meeting would know. And no, Mike wasn’t in the meeting room, but obviously, Kyle
      would tell his dad all about it.

      Here are the highlights: Les just said that Kyle did well in the meeting. He didn’t use hyperbole like “He hit out of
      the park!” or anything like that. If Mike is indeed the source, then that is
      consistent with his personality and style.

      He was asked about the two QB’s, and Kyle apparently said that Siemian is a good QB, but is not the type of
      guy that can win a SB unless he has a lot of support around him. In other words,
      he can’t carry a team, and he may have a durability problem.

      On Lynch, he said he was a ways away from being a drop-back QB, but has good tools to work
      with. Kyle said that if Lynch would be the starter this coming year, he would
      need to have a custom offense built around him much like he and his dad did for
      RG 111.

      Now, nothing is there that is earth shattering. Heck, most of us here have those same assessments. So why is it impressive? Because he was honest, and wasn’t blowing smoke just to tell them what they want to hear. That
      has got to impress Elway and Ellis; hopefully, they aren’t looking for a yes
      man, and I don’t think they are.

      Now here is the clincher– not one of 4 or 5 interviewers in the room there asked this question, or brought it up in any
      way, so Kyle asked it himself. He asked if Elway or Ellis would have any problem at all if he decided to have his dad involved in some capacity–would they have a problem? They both said no, not at all.

      That’s the gist of it, but check it out for yourself if you have the time, it’s very interesting. Also, I
      don’t remember any talk about coordinators, so either the source didn’t say, or
      Shipiro just ignored it. https://soundcloud.com/milehighsport…n-drive#t=0:00

      • drewthorn

        I’ve been hard on these guys. Now that I see that KS absolutely mimicked their own hot takes on Denver QBs, how can I possibility doubt anything they say at this point?

        I bet Elway was rocked to his foundation by the uncanny genius KS shares with only 98% of all Denver based Broncos pundits.

      • Clifton Jackman

        This is the advantage that Kyle brings. The same offense scheme and terminology that Gary had. Thats two years that Paxton has with verbage of the offense which is well known to be verbose. That means less time focusing on the calls and more time getting in and out of the huddle and operating under the huddle. Another year of development while Siemian starts and year 3 we have a ready made QB that is three years in an offense and has been developed properly under good tutelage through good QB coaches. I think Kyle wins because Elway understands QB’s and QB needs better than most. He knows what Lynch needs most is consistent QB mentoring and even if Kyle flames out, he’ll have developed the QB he drafted.

    • Snatch Mouth

      Douche bags like Shipiro would be my guess

  • SterlingMalloryArcher

    I’m going to share a few interesting prospects here as I sift through all the info while compiling my draft preview. Yesterday’s featured prospect was Washington WR John Ross. Today I’ll share another name that has piqued my interest, and that is Florida DT Caleb Brantley. Florida lined him up all over the line at times, but I think he projects best as a 1-tech (NT) in an odd front or 1-tech/3-tech (DT) in an even front. He may be able to play some 5-tech DE in an odd front as well, much like Vance Walker, who has played extensively at DE and NT for the Broncos. He’s listed around 6’2″ 297. He’s quick and strong, and already has some good hand technique. Here’s his performance from the Florida State game this year. Love the play at 2:15 where he manhandles the center and drops Dalvin Cook for a loss. We all know the Broncos could use an offensive tackle, but NT is another area of need (like Slot WR yesterday) that they could address on day 1.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbRstshorNw

    • ElwayIsGod7

      Montravius Adams out of Auburn. Run-stuffing/pass-rushing DT with a quick first step. Potential Nickname: Sack-travious.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Given the economics of first round picks, do you think it’s worth picking up a NT early? For example, we can probably get a vetted NT for $3-5M. Given how cheap that is relative to other position players, do you think the FO intentionally drafts (or atleast factors in) high cost positions earlier than low cost FAs – even after considering BPA. This is something that I’ve thought about for a while but haven’t looked into.

      If you have a 1st WR and NT who are both equally talented and needed, I would think you draft the WR because you get him at a bargain price if he performs as as a top 15 position player.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I do (think it’s worth picking a NT early), because rookie contracts are a relative bargain at any position. I don’t think I would actively pursue the higher paid positions in the first round in an effort to maximize relative value. However, that may happen somewhat indirectly as free agency commences before the draft, and mid grade NTs may be more likely to be signed than mid grade, more expensive, WRs.

    • Yahmule

      He looks good and John loves versatile big men on defense, but that video mostly got my dick hard for Cook again. ;~)

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Seeing “John loves versatile big men” and “got my dick hard” in the same sentence, really had me doing a double take.

        • Yahmule

          This isn’t Craig’s List?

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            It’s all Backpage now!

          • Yahmule

            I’m so in the loop this is the first time I heard of that place.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I’m not gonna tell you how I found out, but I’m sure it was completely accidental.

    • drewthorn

      We need the Washinton Samoan. Pretty obvious on multiple levels. No use putting any effort in learning the rest of the class.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Thanks for the insight.

    • cjfarls

      Is he big enough to hold up in the middle of a 30-front? 297 is awfully small for the 30-front NT.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        If it’s Wade Phillips’ 30 front, I would say yes, but that’s a bit of an unknown. I imagine he could add a few pounds as well.

  • The Color Orange
    • RSH, Esq.

      How does Slowik manage to have a job every season?

      • This is Bob’s kid, Ryan. I think Bob has been out of the NFL since Mike Shanahan was canned in Wash.

        • RSH, Esq.

          Thank goodness.

      • Clifton Jackman

        Different Slowik, You’re thinking of Bob Slowik

        • RSH, Esq.

          Good catch.

  • GrizzlyB

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/818919199154339840

    Huh. I didn’t realize that they were moneyballing with coaches, too.

    • Clifton Jackman

      he’s probably getting better staff and coaches now that they see their is some consistency going on in the front office. It’s one of the things I think us as fans don’t typically get a lot of insight into. How hard is it for new HC going to moribund franchises to sell position coaches and coordinators that THIS TIME, it will be different…. Probably a good sign for Cleveland.

    • Snatch Mouth

      Lucky bastards!

  • RSH, Esq.

    This is a long story that I have started reading and hope to finish sometime this week. It is very interesting thus far.

    https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/818895268431151104

  • RSH, Esq.
  • RSH, Esq.

    I could see either Vance Joseph or Kyle Shanahan hiring Musgrave. This move reeks of desperation by the Raiders. It is good to see the Raiders getting back to losing and making poor decisions.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/818929184412209158

    • drewthorn

      You know, if KS were to hire Musgrave, real in the other Pagono as DC, and then draft C McC, they could market the ’17 season as a homecoming of favorite sons.

      • RSH, Esq.

        If Wade Phillips is not retained and Joe Woods is not promoted to defensive coordinator, John Pagano would not be a bad choice to serve as defensive coordinator. He runs a very similar scheme to Phillips’.

        • I recall reading he’s under contract and SD hoped its new HC will keep both coordinators. Is that incorrect?

  • Nick

    May they hire the worst possible candidate out there!

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/818929184412209158

    • RSH, Esq.

      Jinx, dude.

      • Nick

        Sorry, I’m having a real problem with Disqus staying active on my machine. Don’t know what’s going on, but I’ve had to reload several times to make sure I’m not missing comments, of which is annoying because it insists on not displaying all comments if there are more than 50.

        • GrizzlyB

          I was wondering if it my internet connection was causing it, but I have the same problem. I just refreshed the page a few minutes ago, and I had missed about 50 comments. It’s weird, too, because it’s not like it just stops loading, because it put up a few comments over that time period, it just missed most of them.

          • Nick

            It seems like for me it’s happening when I activate a Disqus comments section on another page, regardless of whether it’s here or on another website.

          • GrizzlyB

            Could be the case — the internet is a minefield for those things.

    • ohiobronco

      I have a feeling there is a very recent Super Bowl winning OC that may be coming free.

    • Andrew

      That’s odd seems like he did a great job there I wonder if more details will come out.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Hmm. Odd to me.

      • cjfarls

        Weird…. reminiscent of Shanny Senior throwing Coyer under the bus after 2005.

    • Clifton Jackman

      They are reporting NFL Network they think they will promote the QB Coach.

  • The Color Orange

    They’re starting to clean house. Odd for a 12-win team.

    https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/818933069428051968

    • Nick

      I should probably write a brief article on how lucky the Raiders were in 2016 until Carr went down. Maybe I’ll expand it to the AFC West as a whole to keep it somewhat Broncos-related, although I did write one article specifically on the Broncos here:

      http://in-thinair.com/2016/12/26/in-2016-luck-ran-out-on-the-broncos

      • T. Jensen

        Just playing the AFC south makes the afc west lucky…

      • cjfarls

        I’d love to read a slightly abbreviated version on Oak/KC/SD… as projection for next season.
        That said, we get similar stuff every summer from folks like FootballOutsiders, etc., so maybe more work from you than worth it.

    • RSH, Esq.

      The coaching staff must have infected all of those players with a really nasty cold.

    • Snatch Mouth

      Have they fired that illness that held out those 30 guys per Del Rio?

  • Yahmule

    McGinchey finally stopped teasing and said he’s going back to the Dome. Cam Robinson’s feet worry me. I think he will always struggle against speed at the next level.

    Ryan Ramczyk might wind up being a fortunate intersection of need and talent. Good measurables; clearly tough as hell to dominate and maintain a high grade while playing through a tough injury; resourceful enough to find a way to work out when there’s no weight room handy.

    http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.12847555.1484063942!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_960/image.jpg

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      That’s unfortunate about McGlinchey. Makes a thin class even thinner. Ramczyk looks like the #2 OT, but we’ll have to see how the combine shakes out.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Damn it Mike.

  • Snatch Mouth

    Any ideas on why Denver didn’t at least have Matt Patricia in?

    Does that cross the keep Wade line?

    • RSH, Esq.

      My guess is fruit from the poisonous tree.

    • Clifton Jackman

      The Bronco Way is not the Patriot Way…We’ve been down that road…its filled with despair and egos.

  • The Color Orange

    The interview has reached the crucial four hour mark.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      I clicked on the link hoping to see an Offensive lineman.

    • T. Jensen

      We’ve got two in Austin. They’re really good if a bit over priced. They always try to add a local flavor burger and concrete. I love their cheese fries.

      • RSH, Esq.

        I am hoping that this will put pressure on In-N-Out to come to the Denver market.

        • T. Jensen

          meh in-n-out is the most overrated garbage I’ve ever had. Their fries suck and their burgers are just ok unless done animal style and then their decent not great. For true fast food Whataburger can’t be beat.

          I don’t consider Five Guys, Smash burger, Shake Shack, Mighty Fine, Hop Doddy etc to be true fast food. IMO they belong to a new category of gourmet fast food (based on price and lack of drive through).

          • Tyler

            Blasphemy!

          • T. Jensen

            Californians need to get over themselves. πŸ™‚

            I will say I’ve had in n out in 4 States and it was considerably better in California.

          • Tyler

            Only had it in Nevada and Arizona. If it gets better in California I think a pilgrimage is in order haha

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            In absolute taste terms, Shake Shack has a better burger.

            But a $3 In N Out double patty burger is pretty equivalent to Shake Shack’s $9 double patty burger in terms of utility for me.

          • RSH, Esq.

            You sound like a true Texan. πŸ™‚

          • T. Jensen

            Nothing beats a Whataburger with cheese, grilled onions and grilled jalapenos. With country gravy for the fries.

          • PiperAR

            Whataburger has cult following in Texas but I was never blown away. If I blind taste tested Wendy’s, Hardees, and Whataburger, I’d just be guessing.

          • T. Jensen

            Fast food burger joints are ranked for me – based on burger and fries

            1 Whataburger
            2 Dan’s
            3 Culver’s
            4 steak n shake
            5 Freddy’s
            6 crown burger
            7 braums
            8 Carl’s jr/ Hardee’s
            9 rallys
            10 sonic
            11 artic circle
            12 McDonald’s
            13 in n out
            14 Wendy’s
            15 burger King

            I’m sure I’ve missed a ton and know some of those are probably very regional.

            Shake shack doesn’t get included due to price. It’s more of a gourmet fast food and gets a different rank.

          • drewthorn

            Freddy’s is pretty much the only fast food burger I’ll eat these days. I remember back when my dad acted las if going to Taste-e-Freez was a trip to the dentist, but I can relate now.

          • T. Jensen

            I like Freddy’s a lot. it’s just not my favorite. But they are good quality burgers.

          • diningerj

            There’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time….Braums! Killer Ice Cream too

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            No Fuddruckers?!?

          • T. Jensen

            Fuddruckers would be on a different list (and fairly low on that list) It doesn’t qualify as fast food. Its too expensive, its not fast and they do not have a drive thru

          • FarAwayBroncoFan

            Well, maybe it’s not fast food on the Wendy’s/BK level, but it’s comparable to say Five Guys, which I thought I saw mentioned by someone above. I think it’s better than Five Guys by the way. Ah well, to each his own.

          • T. Jensen

            Gourmet Fast Food – typical Meal is over $10 (with drink), does not involve tips, does not usually have drive thru.

            I decided to rank gourmet fast food burger joints. My criteria is burger and fries (can’t have one without the other) although I might be adding price into the mix a bit. Fuddruckers would probably be higher if it was a bit cheaper.

            1. Mighty Fine
            2. Hop Doddy
            3. Smash Burger
            4. Shake Shack
            5. Meatheads
            6. Fuddruckers
            7. Five Guys

            This list is a lot smaller than my above fast food. I can’t think of any other place that fits my definition of gourmet fast food (for burgers – Pei wei, chipotle, cafe rio etc would qualify for non burger gourmet fast food)

            If price wasn’t an issue everything on this list would be above everything on the fast food list even whataburger. They are just typically better quality ingredients and flavors.

    • Clifton Jackman

      Is this like a Steak and Shake? I haven’t lived in Colorado in almost 19 years. No deep water for Navy Ships

      • RSH, Esq.

        I like Steak ‘n Shake, but my taste buds have informed me that Shake Shack is superior.

      • T. Jensen

        shake shack is better than steak and shake. its also more expensive.

    • Rhett Rothberg

      Got one up the road in DC. Been to the one by Central Park. Good stuff!

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I was about to say “big deal, more fast food” but then I looked at their menu. They serve alcohol and they have hot dogs, so now I’m intrigued.

  • T. Jensen

    Not sure if this was mentioned earlier – Kapri Bibbs has a rap album out. (Wish he had a 1000 yards instead)

    http://milehighsports.com/listen-kapri-bibbs-releases-debut-rap-single/

    • RSH, Esq.

      Dedicated to all of the Try Hard CSU Alumni Who Fight Each Season to Earn a Spot on the Broncos Roster.

    • PiperAR

      “I’ve got the Practice Squad Blues…” If it was a blues album, that is.

  • Yahmule

    David Njoku would be a lot of fun if he slipped to our spot in round two.

    https://youtu.be/cRMR9tVB6nI

  • RSH, Esq.
    • cjfarls

      Good… we need another stout interior D-lineman besides Wolfe. Expecting a lot from a rookie is/was a lot to ask, but hopefully he can step up next year.

    • PiperAR

      When Gotsis breaks out next year, people will wonder who is this guy and where did he come from.

  • https://twitter.com/johnelway/status/818956444171173888

    Of the three tweets, the only one to mention “leadership” and “win.” Hard to not read into that…

    • Clifton Jackman

      Hmm…Thats a nice statement, but its not an annoucement for a new HC. So the game is still afoot?

      • RSH, Esq.

        If the Broncos let Joseph leave, then I would surmise that Kyle Shanahan will be the new head coach of the Denver Broncos.

        • That’s the $$$ question… did they put out that tweet while VJ was headed to the airport, or did they tell him to find a hotel and chill while the FO talks internally and with his agent?

        • Clifton Jackman

          I think its fair to say that. They can’t afford to get Lynch and Simien development set back. Just as important as the Defense IMO. Shanahan allows for them to keep the Kubiak plan in place with a younger HC. They will have to take some real lumps, but maybe Mike can actually help with that. If he can check his ego at the door and he may since its his kids chance and his chance to fix his legacy here.

    • Rhett Rothberg

      That’s code for… “Bye, Felicia…”

      • Or not… Joseph still at Dove Valley. Like Klis can tell from that tweet that the serious stuff is finished, ha.

        https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/818959620580450304

        • Clifton Jackman

          Klis drives me nuts. He randomly throws crap against the wall to see what sticks. Like the McDaniels thing a few days ago. He was the only one to tweet anything but started a shitstorm for like a day and a half. Come on guy! Don’t be a deuchebag

    • RSH, Esq.
      • Awesome. Didn’t you suggest that is how it should be settled?! I’ll take Toub without a doubt!

        • RSH, Esq.

          Toub’s tango from his time spent in Argentina is unparalleled.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher
      • GrizzlyB

        Sometimes Vic posts solid stuff like this, other times he posts whiny balderdash that has no business making its way to my headspace. Fickle guy.

        • Clifton Jackman

          Its the constant pressure of trying to be more clever than you really are. Its better when you just be yourself; its more authentic

          • GrizzlyB

            That sounds about right. He’s entertaining sometimes, but I stopped following him a while back, when Pokemon GO was the big thing and he was whining about his kids playing it and other, “BACK IN MY DAY!” nonsense. The thing that really bothered me was that he launched into a tangent against e-sports from there, saying that they’re just teenagers playing video games in their parents’ basement eating Doritos.

            Maybe some of that is right, but for some reason that Doritos comment really got me, because no one who is using an electronic device, whether it’s a controller, keyboard, phone, or whatever, would ever think to be actively eating Doritos in the middle of it. Lazy and reactionary commentary that was just clogging up my Twitter feed (which I read all of, since I only follow about 15-20 accounts).

          • RSH, Esq.

            And Lombardi was part of the Atari and NES generation, so I really do not get how he all of sudden became Red Forman.

          • Snatch Mouth

            Fucking hilarious

        • RSH, Esq.

          I do like that Lombardi just trolled D-Mac.

          https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/818969315009556481

    • RSH, Esq.
      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Maybe he’s dropping a deuce before the drive to the airport.

      • Nick
        • This is all very confusing.

        • Andrew

          Woody decided to get in on the hot take’s surprised he hasn’t been more active on this.

        • PiperAR

          Well, if Woody said it…

      • Andrew

        I’m not sure what that means but my instincts are saying someone needs to take Matt Russell’s keys away. We all know the Broncos front office likes to party.

  • Nick

    All that I’ll say for now is this: feel free to parse the words of Elway and others all you want for speculative purposes, but keep in mind that it’s just that: speculation.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • Wait, “wowing”… that’s better than Broncos being “highly impressed” with Kyle Shanahan. Why isn’t Denver interviewing this guy? Ha.

      • GrizzlyB

        You misread that — he wasn’t wowing teams, he was WOWING them. Very big difference and definitely not something that NFLN is exaggerating at all.

        • Andrew

          Remember when josh Mcdaniels was WOWING everybody…

          • The only guy he wowed was Joe Ellis, surprised they even let him in the interviews anymore.

        • Sparks

          Is that similar to the 4 alarm newsbreak to let everyone know that some unknown TE was signed to some Practice Squad somewhere?

        • Snatch Mouth

          Nice

    • Yahmule

      Best case scenario for him might be to wind up in San Francisco. Work out those first HC job mistakes in games that don’t matter. Jed will be thrilled to have a coach he’s older than.

      • RSH, Esq.

        And he has familial ties to the 49ers. πŸ™‚

        • Yahmule

          John McVay was so humble he never got enough credit for their long run of success, which is probably exactly how he wanted it.

  • RSH, Esq.
  • Kyle Milligan

    VJ FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Are you reading the same fake Ian Rapaport twitter account that Dmac was on the radio just now?

      • Kyle Milligan

        Worse, I was listening to D mac

      • Snatch Mouth

        Lol Ddouche!

  • Kyle Milligan

    KKFN just broke news that we’ve hired VJ – — – — and now it comes out that D-Mac is reading from a fake twitter account…..

    JESUS! Anyone know a decent sports station in the denver area that I can stream online?

    • ohiobronco

      Pretty bad considering his partner is a personal friend of Vance.

      • Kyle Milligan

        He was trying to get Al to text him for a few minutes

    • Paul K

      I’m a fan of Altitude AM 950 and it should be streamable. They’ve put together a really decent lineup since they’ve come onto the scene

      • Kyle Milligan

        Thank you! I’ll give it a shot

    • Yahmule

      I love it. The current media culture is a playground for pranksters.

    • Snatch Mouth

      Sure as FUCK isnt the fan dude….its here!

  • RSH, Esq.

    With Kyle Shanahan appearing to be the leader to become the next head coach of your Denver Broncos, I would love to see them retain Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator and bring Bill Musgrave in as offensive coordinator. Musgrave uses similar offensive terminology to Gary Kubiak and Shanahan. I would retain Greg Knapp as quarterbacks coach, but bring in new coaches for all of the other offensive position groups.

    • Royalwithcheese

      This would basically be a dream scenario.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I’d still rather see Shanahan promote one of his assistants from the Atlanta staff.

      How is Musgrave’s lingo similar? Did he pick it up under Andy Reid in Philadelphia?

      • RSH, Esq.

        Musgrave runs a version of the West Coast offense, so the verbiage goes back to Bill Walsh and some even to the days of Paul Brown. http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-Bill-Musgrave-has-offense-clicking-6614088.php

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Thanks, I’m aware of the origins of the WCO, just didn’t know what Musgrave’s connection is. I know he coached in Philly in the late 90s, so I thought that might be it.

          • Snatch Mouth

            Who started it again?

        • gobroncos

          I would think that terminology could change quite a bit from Walsh to Musgrave and even more so Walsh to KS. KS and Musgrave could have very different terminology from eachother. Maybe similar concepts.

      • PiperAR

        Don’t know how much it influenced him, but wasn’t Musgrave coached by Shanahan and Kubiak in Denver?

  • The Color Orange
  • Rhett Rothberg
    • Kush-Lash

      Yep. That about sums it all up.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    I don’t know KS becomes the HS and Wade doesn’t stay on. We’d need as much experience onboard as possible.

  • The Color Orange

    Mike Klis ‏@MikeKlis
    V. Joseph staying in Denver as was plan. Will fly to SD for Chargers tomoro. It’s possible, he & Broncos continue to communicate. #9sports

  • gobroncos

    Maybe Elway and Co. interviewed all 3 candidates and found them all lacking. Maybe none of the 3 will be the head coach of the Broncos.

  • RSH, Esq.
  • Nick
    • I really hate the idea of the Raiders in Vegas for various reasons.
      Also: I really hate the Raiders. (But was still hoping they’d stay here in the Bay Area )

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      This is my preference as well. San Diego is a beautiful place to visit for a road game. A Bronco game in Vegas is a great excuse to go to Vegas. I feel less likely to get stabbed there, than Oakland.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Would love Raiders in Vegas. Easy flights.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Can’t wait.

      • Nick

        My fear of getting stabbed would be about the same no matter where the Raiders play their home games. But the Bay Area’s one of my favorite places in the nation, and it deserves much better than to be infested with that silver and black plague.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          You’re right. I am even scared when I go to games at mile high when the Raiders come to town. The Bay area is beautiful, but Oakland is pretty rough. Because of Oakland, and the raiders I actually root against Golden State.

          • Nick

            Warriors are moving to SF soon, does that change anything for you?

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Actually, yes. Honestly,I gained a lot of respect for Steph Curry, after he lost the Finals. Really gracious, and humble in defeat. I’m also a Kevin Durant fan, so that helps the most.

    • PiperAR

      I hope the Raiders go to Vegas and I hope its epic fail.

    • T. Jensen

      I really want raiders in San Antonio so I can see the broncos once a year without traveling too far

    • orangeandblueaussie

      Just spit-balling here but I wonder why a city like Portland doesn’t get more discussion as a potential destination. Certainly it would take the city to show some interest but I never hear them as candidates while San Antonio, Vegas and even London and Toronto are often discussion points. Geographically it would make sense for a San Diego or Oakland to want to be there and it is the 17th largest city by metro population, and the current largest without an NFL team.

      I can understand why it is important for the Chargers to stay in SD. Big city, beautiful place. But they’ve shown their hand in not wanting to help finance a stadium and not attending games. Clearly football is not a priority for the city.

      • Nick

        Your last sentence is correct. Portland’s officials have not cared to pursue an NFL franchise, and I’d say the citizens that do like football there are much more interested in the Ducks and Beavers.

  • Russ
    • RSH, Esq.

      If I was still a single man with no family responsibilities, I would have gone across the street from where I work to stake out Elway’s for intel.

    • Kyle Milligan

      Leave it to perna to

    • PiperAR

      If the plane isn’t in the air, this is technically true.

  • BREAKING: Broncos to name Carrot Top next coach. Interview was kept a secret. – as per Troy Runck and Nicki Giblets on Twitter

  • RSH, Esq.
    • PiperAR

      Hey, I consider that good news.

      • Yahmule

        Especially since the other rumor was that they reached out to Wade.

  • The Color Orange

    Vic Carucci
    13m13 minutes ago
    Vic Carucci ‏@viccarucci
    #Bills are zeroed in on Sean McDermott as their next HC. Could have something finalized in the next day or so.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey
  • What I find interesting is that Joseph was interviewing in Denver today and per reports presenting McCoy as his OC. What happens when he goes to San Diego tomorrow… and for OC, Mike… er… Bill Musgrave or let’s just keep Wisenhunt.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Hmm… good point. Awkward.

  • The Color Orange

    Sal Capaccio 🏈
    Sal Capaccio 🏈 – Verified account ‏@SalSports

    If Sean McDermott is new Bills HC, and it appears things are headed that way at the moment, keep hearing Mike McCoy could join him as OC.

  • The Color Orange

    Steve Cox
    Steve Cox – ‏@SteveCoxDenver

    Broncos contingent of Elway, Russell, Thewes with Vance Joseph spotted tonight at Elway’s Cherry Creek.

    • Being polite and not making him hang out alone in Denver (he was apparently scheduled to stay the night anyway) or talking business? Or using this as leverage vs, Shanahan? Perhaps they’d be happy with with either candidate provided they accept a 3 or 4 yr. deal at the lower end of HC pay scale.

      Given that both VJ and Shanahan worked for Kubiak, have to believe that Elway got Kubes candid opinion on the matter.

      • Clifton Jackman

        I think this means its over. This is our next HC, just hope they have a plan in place for Trevor and Paxton. I guess as long as they keep Knapp as QB Coach, their is some continuity there, but its basically starting all over for Paxton Lynch as far as offense. He was already a two year project. At least Mike McCoy can tailor Offenses.

        • FarAwayBroncoFan

          I agree. Dinner at Elway’ s is a dead giveaway….I think.

          • Royalwithcheese

            It always has been before. I’m preparing myself to wake up to the news tomorrow.

        • BlackKnigh

          My sense is if Joseph heads to SD tomorrow without a firm offer from Denver – he will not leave SD without a contract or a very good offer.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        He graduated from CU so I’m sure there was lots of other people he could have hung out with. That place does make a really good steak.

  • The Color Orange

    Troy Renck
    Troy Renck – Verified account ‏@TroyRenck

    Joseph, acc to sources, hasn’t left. Still talking w #Broncos. Adds intrigue to this fascinating process

  • So Bills are hiring Sean McDermott… a job that Anthony Lynn was considered heavy favorite to land.

    • Snatch Mouth

      Finally a smart move for Buffalo. Hes a great coach IMO

  • The Color Orange
    • Snatch Mouth

      Bittermuch Klis?

  • Anyone else burned out on the conjecture, Snooping and overanalysis? Wake me when we actually hire a coach. 😴

    • BlackKnigh

      Yes, yes and yes!