• Random Anonymous Coward
    • bradley

      I’m rooting against the Cheatriots. Always.

      • Nick

        If the Raiders and Steelers win this week, I will fully root for New England next week. I’m rooting against the Raiders. Always.

        • Kyle Milligan

          Always fuck the chiefs and raiders. But if one of them takes new england out, I won’t be too pissed

          • Nick

            I can live with KC taking out NE. But never the Raiders, ever.

      • John

        My favorite teams are the Broncos and who ever plays New England.

        • Lonestar47

          I’ll bet that 98% of broncos fans do the same.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Go:
      Houston
      Miami
      Detroit
      Giants

      Fuck the rest.

      • Yahmule

        My list:

        Detroit – Way out in front. One playoff win in 59 years, eight seasons of Matt Millen and the last three great stars in team history just couldn’t take it anymore and retired prematurely.
        Houston – Come on, I think we would all feel good about Brock getting his second ring.
        Atlanta – Dirty Birds are very inoffensive to me and they’re fun to watch.

        precipitous drop

        Green Bay – Always had a soft spot. No team has had more heartbreaking recent playoff history.
        *Football Giants – Only if they play the Patriots, otherwise piss on ’em.

        precipitous drop

        Seattle – Weird team because I would probably like them if I didn’t hate their fucking guts so much.
        Miami – Seems innocent, but like Bears fans, the tiniest whiff of success makes their fan base insufferable. No rings until every member of the 1972 team is dead and forgotten.

        top of Everest to bottom of Mariana Trench level drop

        Dallas – The creeping idea that these pricks will be our saviors is repulsive on so many levels. Reminds me of having to root for Pittsburgh against these assholes in Super Bowls as a kid. Still feel dirty about that.
        Pittsburgh – Man, fuck this bracket.

        precipitous drop

        Kansas City – I guess it would be interesting to see in the way the appearance of a comet with an excessively long orbit is interesting.

        precipitous drop

        New England/Oakland – It would seem disgustingly appropriate for one of these vomitous organizations to represent 2016, but fuck that noise.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Good break down Yahmule. I try to simplify my preferences on 2 factors: Hate for organizations, and Super Bowl Rings as compared to the Broncos. Patriots, Raiders, or Seahawks just can not win the Super Bowl. Seattle is a weird team. The more you are around their fans, the more you hate them. They have no clue why they are cheering, and what kind of narcissistic, fuck head would wear a 12th Man Jersey with Fan on the back? Step out the kiddy pool, take a couple “Growacet” pills, and buy an Earl Thomas jersey already.

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          Also, my picks were just for this week. Atlanta would be my preference to win the Super Bowl, but if it delays us inking a deal with Mini Rat, I have no problem tossing on a Barry Sanders jersey (or Rodney Peete), and listening to the 8 mile soundtrack.

    • drewthorn

      I want Miami, KC and Atlanta to lose ASAP so we can all get on with being elated or disgruntled with the guy that’s going to save the Broncos or ruin them.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        I mostly agree though I think the Chiefs have the best chance to knock off the Patriots, and I don’t really think Toub is the guy, so I kind of want to see them win next week. Plus I don’t like the Steelers much, and that’s the most likely matchup for KC next weekend.

    • gobroncos

      This weekend I’m rooting for:

      Houston over the raiders.
      Detroit over the Seahawks
      Green Bay over the Giants
      Miami over the steelers

      Three are obvious why I’m picking them. The other is GB over the Giants because we beat GB in the Super Bowl, but the Giants beat us so screw them.

      • Yahmule

        Thumbs up for tending a 30 year grudge.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        I agree on hating the Giants for what SPhills and BB did to us… but I don’t see another NFC team stopping the cowboys…And FuCk that.

      • Prater2Beadles4Six

        I generally agree and usually hate any team that has ever beaten us in a Super Bowl, but yet another Giants win over the pats in a title game would be delicious.

  • In yesterday’s thread Snatch Mouth and ISWT wondered if Toub would have been interviewed if not for Tyreek Hill. Toub’s ST dominance goes back more than one season. Who knows if it will translate to running a team, but he clearly knows how to prepare and communicate to his group:
    https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/817491230124863494

    https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/817492297520738304

    • Yahmule

      Pretty wild stat, even for a guy who had Devin Hester.

    • Lonestar47

      So make him an assistant HC in charge of STs and hire Joesph.

      Kills
      Two
      Issues with one stone.

      • Nick

        I’m pretty certain that you can’t pry away an assistant coach out of his contract by using the weak “assistant head coach” designation.

  • The Color Orange
  • RSH, Esq.
    • Nick

      I don’t envy the new head coach getting stuck with Osweiler’s $16 million 2017 salary. If O’Brien does go, I also wonder if they would finally move on from Rick Smith.

      • Yahmule

        I don’t envy him because he will have to live in Houston. When someone from Greeley notices your town smells funny, you’ve got a problem.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          When I first moved to Denver I told my boss I was going up to Greeley to visit some old friends who lived there. He said “Do you know how to get there?” I told him I was pretty sure I could find it, and he replied “Go north until you smell it and then east until you step in it.”

          • Yahmule

            Thankfully, the last Swift plant and feed lot are both located on the way out of town now. Some evenings you might catch a whiff of cow poop, but it’s nothing like back when the Broncos used to hold their training camp here.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I grew up in farm and ranch country so it doesn’t really bother me anyway, but it does have that reputation.

            Where I’m at in Littleton there’s a horse stable just to the south of us so we get a good whiff of that once in a while, especially in the spring.

          • Kyle Milligan

            I’m guessing it’s farm land out there? Dung has never grown on me as an ambiance..

          • pubkeeper

            Stockyards

          • Kyle Milligan

            I always forget there is a difference between ranch and farm lol. Thanks

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            And meat processing at one time, I believe.

        • Kyle Milligan

          Houston smells funny?
          I think it’s the variety of international food options… Which are actually mostly delicious except for the South African chicken livers I tried last week.

          • Yahmule

            Houston has a strange odor. Type “Houston smells bad” into Google and it yields an impressive number of hits. Great place to eat and also the most ethnically diverse city in the United States. I’m going to be in Texas in May for a graduation and I’m looking forward to seeing Jose Altuve do his thing in person again. He homered, tripled and stole a base the last time I was in town.

          • Kyle Milligan

            Astros are fun to watch even when they’re bad thanks to altuve..
            If you’re a craft beer guy, it’s a great town.

            And my guess is the smell comes from poor air quality, the essence of burnt rubber and brake pads from these lunatic drivers. I guess I’m numb to it by now

          • Rhett Rothberg

            It’s the smell of refinery and humidity…

            That delicious odor of the Gulf Coast….the place satan goes when it gets chilly in hell….

        • Paco Alonzo

          Orlando spells horrible, I am guessing from the swamps.

          • Alaskan

            That is true auto-correct irony.

        • diningerj
    • Yahmule

      I warned him about getting that little “T” branded on his face.

      https://forwardpassthinking.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/bill-obrien-copy.jpg

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Most epic butt chin behind batman.

    • If he is fired, will there really be another team that offers him a HC job?!

  • RSH, Esq.

    I am not sure if this article was posted in a previous thread, so I apologize for any duplication.

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/817764777350922245

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      “Kyle reinvented our offense entirely for Robert Griffin III. He and Mike had overhauled everything to suit the talents of our quarterback instead of forcing him to fit the mold of their previous offense.”

      That’s encouraging. I would love to see what he could do with Denver’s offense. I’m with Polumbus- Shanahan for HC, Phillips for DC, and I’d add either Matt LaFleur (ATL QB coach) or Chris Morgan (ATL OL coach) as OC.

      • Sparks

        No love for Knapp as OC? Or would you try to retain Knapp as the QB coach? I think he’s done a great job coaching up the QB’s and would like to see a landing spot for him here as well.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Maybe retain him for QBs, but Kyle would need to make sure they are in agreement philosophically. I’m somewhat indifferent on Knapp. If he sticks around, fine. If not, that’s okay, too.

          • Sparks

            I see what you’re saying. I just think beyond the fact that he’s done a great job for us over the years, he has unique knowledge of our 2 young QB’s. Provided we elect to move forward with the Siemian/Lynch duo, Knapp could be invaluable to the next coach while continuing to work with the kids.

          • Rhett Rothberg

            Agree… I don’t see Knapp as much of anything…. Just a trusted lieutenant as was Dennison…

      • Kndh19

        I am 100% on board with this, and it just seems too obvious to actually happen.

        If I was Kyle my power point presentation would go like this. Page 1: Defense, keep Wade and let him do his thing. Page 2-100: how to fix this offense.

        • RSH, Esq.

          And Pages 101-110: How we can be more consistent and dynamic in the return game and defending the opponent’s return game.

          • Kndh19

            Page 101 should start: Jordan Norwood will never return a punt for the Broncos ever again.

    • Dumpster211

      After reading the Polumbus article I’m all in with Kyle Shanahan. Let’s do it!

      • Paco Alonzo

        Damn made my hair raise.

    • pubkeeper

      Just a heads up, Wade is pretty much gone. It looks more like Joe woods will be the next dc. Just hope we can keep Bill Kollar too

      • Paco Alonzo

        What is the source of you ruining my weekend?

        • pubkeeper

          Well he’s not under contract and he easily could’ve been before now. And Alex marvez reported that if hired, Joseph would keep woods.

      • Rhett Rothberg

        I agree… It makes WAY too much sense for him to go to WAS if they want him…

      • The Color Orange

        Kollar is under contract, so no reason they would let him go. Plus, the reason he came to Denver is that his grandkids live here.

        • pubkeeper

          That’s right, I had forgotten that was why he came here. Sigh of relief

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Source? Oh I see below.

        • Nick
          • GrizzlyB

            Though I wonder if that is, A) true, and B) if true, does it mean what we think it means? I remember hearing somewhere that there was a clause/trigger/whatever in his contract that, if we could hire Joseph as DC this past season, Wade would then be able to transition and stay on in an advisory sort of role. Maybe last season changed how Wade felt about that, and it sounds unusual, but it could still be a possibility.

    • gobroncos

      Here’s another article ov a similar vein.

      “He’s been with Mike. He’s been with Gary. He’s been with some mentors in his life that he’s known since he was a little kid that have helped him be prepared for this time in his life. He’s probably the most qualified first-time head coach on the market,” Schlereth said. “There’s no question in my mind.”

      http://1043thefan.com/153332/schlereth-great-shanahan-eyeing-broncos/

      • Yahmule

        John had the inside edge on signing Peyton Manning because as former number one overall picks and franchise saviors they could relate to each other. I think John and Kyle also have the shared experience of growing up as the sons of well known coaches.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          Kyle was a teenager on the sideline during the Super Bowl wins in the late 90s. How could he NOT want to come back here to coach?!!

          • Yahmule

            I can’t imagine there’s a job he wants more. The Broncos may be in the position where they can choose from their two (or four) favorite candidates.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Knowing that the offense is the reason this team is watching the playoffs from home, Shanahan almost has to be the guy. No offense to Vance Joseph, but what does he know about offense? I’m sure they’ll ask who he would target as OC, but what answer could he possible give that would be better than what Shanahan has to offer?

          • Yahmule

            Joseph did play QB and RB in college, so he’s pretty well rounded in that regard.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            But he’s never coached offense, at least not at the NFL level. His offensive success would be heavily dependent on hiring the right assistants, especially an OC. So why not just hire Shanahan and not have to worry about it? That would be my approach, I think. Less variables.

          • Yahmule

            If we sign Shanahan and draft McCaffrey, it will be pretty obvious that we’re living in a Broncos fan fiction story.

          • gobroncos

            Yeah, but one that could be awesome!

          • Carsonic

            Fan fiction stories, though often told terribly, are always awesome.

          • Yahmule

            Elway, Manning, Kubiak, Wade, another Super Bowl win, another Shanny, another Mac. You really couldn’t write it in a more fan pleasing way.

          • gobroncos

            And just because Vance suggests a guy doesn’t mean they can get him. I agree with you. It doesn’t appear that there’s a guy out there that would excite me or the Broncos to be the OC. Kyle appears to me to be the only guy that excites the Broncos to run our offense.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            I hate saying this but Kyle just doesn’t have the commanding/”leader of men” presence that most HCs in the league have. Neither did Gase, and that seems to be working out just fine. I hope and am sure John will see through that coaching construct and not care. He’ll pick the right person for the job.

          • Yahmule
          • InSiemianWeTrust
          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I know this oversimplifies it, but it’s basically an old jocks vs nerds philosophy. I’m of the belief that nerds like Kyle Shanahan and Adam Gase are holding more and more prominent roles on coaching staffs, and deservedly so. I think the smartest man should call the shots. If that happens to be a nerd and he has a hard time getting the rank and file jocks to fall in line, then maybe he just needs a jocky assistant to slap them around.

          • Yahmule

            Being able to motivate will always be part of the job. I do think the archetypal hardass grows less effective with younger players with each passing year, though.

          • drewthorn

            I’ve tried to sort through this myself, because it sure sounds like VJ is going to be the guy, and I guess they must be taking the long view. If they think VJ is the best coach, then weathering a little more short term pain is what they should do.

            Look at the bright side, too. You have concerns about the Shanahan scheme in general. Maybe Elway also has his doubts, too.

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Fair point but I think Kyle has evolved the scheme, as Polumbus pointed out. I don’t believe Kubiak has, at least not as much.

            If Elway feels that Joseph is the guy for the long haul then that’s the right way to go. The quick fix on offense is awfully tempting, though.

  • drewthorn

    So totally off topic, but I just finished the book “Dark Matter”, which is a total fucking mind bender. It completely trumps the personal life long scientific quandry that has always made my brain smoke (How can the universe be infinite, but how wouldn’t it be…?”), which is delicious and maddening all at once.

    Do we have anybody that dabbles in quantum physics in the house? Anybody who can explain the alleged mathematical fact that anything that can happen has to happen? The multiverse in general? Superposition?

    • Rhett Rothberg

      I cannot recommend highly enough the book “The Big Picture” by Sean Carroll. It’s also in audiobook form where he narrates (on Audible for ease of access), and is quite excellent.

      I would honestly recommend that every high school student be required to listen to it before graduating…but that is another topic.

      Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Cal Tech and has several other excellent books about the nature of time and other topics (but I recommend the Big Picture first). He is, to me, one of the pre-eminent personalities and academics in the field of cosmology and theoretical physics. He is not only a leader in the field, but is really excellent at relating to the general public of all levels. Very engaging….

      He has some good thoughts too as to the structure of the universe. He also speaks to the multiverse concept and how our local, visible universe is a part of it… Why the universe does not necessarily need a beginning and such…

      He is also a Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) adherent, which speaks to your point about “anything that can happen has to happen”. MWI holds to that and he offers some thoughts on it… He is very much of the belief that MWI is actually how reality works…

      So in sum, my favorites are: Carrol’s “The Big Picture”, his blog on his Website, “Preposterous Universe” and another great piece of content is his debate with William Lane Craig about whether or not a god exists… An excellent use of 2 hours….really really good.

      Carroll, as I, is a naturalist (a poetic naturalist specifically) which is the philosophical proposition that our physical reality is all that exists….

      Good stuff…

    • Kush-Lash

      This book sounds like something I’d be interested in!

    • bradley

      I’m no physicist but I love those kinds of books.

      “The universe exists because it is simpler than nothing. That is also why I exist. The universe cannot be simpler than it is. “Nothing” cannot exist. It is an immediate paradox. The universe is the state closest to nothing.

      Douglas Preston (Blasphemy)

      Blasphemy is a work of fiction byt Preston nails the central thing.

      • drewthorn

        In the book, the protagonist explains superposition like this: Imagine a cube. Put radioactive material, a vile of poison, and a live rabbit in it. If an atom decays, the vile breaks and the rabbit dies. The odds of an atom decaying are 50/50. When you open the cube, you’ll find either a dead rabbit or live rabbit. The thing is, the rabbit is both. Your brain just sees one or the other, and that is the myth of reality. Our perception might be a nice coping mechanism, but it is always false.

        I was, like: Fair enough, but….huh?

        • Alaskan

          This could explain why I always see the live Broncos while simultaneously Rico always sees the dead Broncos on the gameday thread.

          • drewthorn

            You go, Alaskan!!! Who knew lawyers still had personalities at your age? 😀

          • Alaskan

            Bradley knows that.

        • bradley

          Check out this article from Discover magazine: “Does the Universe exist If We’re Not There To See It?
          http://discovermagazine.com/2002/jun/featuniverse

        • GrizzlyB

          Sure sounds like Schrodinger’s Cat, which I think was originally supposed to debunk a quantum physics theory, but I’m still pretty unclear on that. Mostly I see it used as complex-sounding applied phlebotinum for use in science-fiction works. I’ve actually seen it turn up a few times in Japanese nonsense lately, usually in unconvincing attempts to pretend that there’s an understandable explanation for the narrative getting twisted like a pretzel so that the author can write whatever they want. Like I said, I think it was made as a hypothetical to say, “Hey, look at how stupid that theory is,” but people are just running with it at this point.

          • drewthorn

            So I’m not totally stupid? Because I was thinking: I’ll just have to trust you on that…that it clarifies something…

  • Kyle Milligan

    Has the NFL ever had a straight conferences seeding format for playoff? Wouldn’t we have edged out Houston under that system?

    • Nick

      I’m going to write an article on this soon: I wanted to this week before the playoffs started, but all the comp pick stuff ate up my football time.

      Short answer: the Broncos would not have edged out Houston despite beating them, but the Ravens would have had a chance.

      • Kyle Milligan

        I’m looking forward to it!

    • Yahmule

      Not really. The NFL started in 1920 and by 1933 they split into East and West divisions with no wild card. This lasted a long time. In 1967, the year after the first Super Bowl, the league split into four divisions: Capitol, Century, Coastal and Central and gave birth to Conference Championship games. Weird unexplained C fetish lasted three seasons until the merger in 1970. This gave us the three division to a conference format and the wild card. Expansion in 1976 led to the addition of a second wild card in 1978 and the first Wild Card games.

      • Nick

        That C-fetish was the weirdest division of a football league until the Big Ten attempted its ridiculous Leaders and Legends division.

        • PiperAR

          Oh god.

    • Rhett Rothberg

      Seems like unless you do a league wide round robin, you are making defacto divisions anyway.

      I prefer the current structure.

      • Kyle Milligan

        I like it in general, but every year there are teams who don’t belong and this year our team was excluded because the Texans got to play six games against trash teams

  • Nick
    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      What’s that supposed to mean John?! I mean, Mr Gracious leader of all things Bronco?

      • gobroncos

        Yeah, seriously! What the fuck DOES that mean?!

        • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

          They made Toub’s interview sound like a 4hr jerk off fest, and Kyle’s interview sounds like 30 min interview, with a good luck pat on the ass! I’m sure it’s just Elway using his mind Ninja/Jedi skills to smoke screen.

          • Yahmule

            John’s tweets are virtually identical, though.

            January 6, 2017

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/07/broncos-interview-dave-toub-kyle-shanahan-for-four-hours-each/

            Thank God Mike Florio cleared this up for me. Looks like they both had a 4 hr interview. We’re all good. Deep breath… I’m a little vulnerable when we don’t have a head coach.

          • I feel like people need to not try to interpret every Elway tweet right now like we are scrutinizing the Zapruder film. 😝 These interview tweeets were probably written by a PR person anyway. Which is good advice for any, I don’t know, leader of a company or team, or, say, nation.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            People? Who you calling “People” 😉

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        It’s supposed to mean nothing

  • Kwash

    Apologies if this has already been posted. A writer at the Baltimore Sun thinks the Ravens won’t re-sign Ricky Wagner.

    “It also means that if Wagner departs, and the bet here is he will, the Ravens will be in the market for a right tackle unless they view huge but raw linemen De’Ondre Wesley and Stephane Nembot, who both spent the season on injured reserve, as potential solutions.”

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-news-notes-and-opinions-20170105-story.html

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      That could be good!

      • Yahmule

        The only problem is the paucity of options will make his price exorbitant. And he won’t be playing next to a future Hall of Famer in Denver.

        • Nick

          Excluding Lane Johnson, who I believe the Eagles plan to move to left tackle whenever Jason Peters leaves, the highest paid RT is Bryan Bulaga at $6.75M APY. It’s not a highly paid position, and I’d be comfortable with the Broncos signing Wagner to up to $7M APY if that’s what it takes to improve the position.

          • Yahmule

            Sounds good. I wonder why Baltimore would give up an above average 27-year-old tackle.

          • Nick

            One reason is because Ozzie likes comp picks. He’s not nearly as myopic about it as Ted Thompson is, but he has occasionally let good talent slip out the door as a result. The most recent (and very unforunate) example is Kelechi Osemele going to the Raiders, the reason why I’m projecting the Ravens will get a 3rd.

            The other reason is that the Ravens actually have a contract philosophy that can potentially put them in serious cap trouble if they whiff on the veterans they give contracts to. That Joe Flacco deal (of which never should have existed if Rahim Moore did his damn job by playing deep) has caused them to repeatedly execute some cap acrobatics to stay in good shape.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            Osmele is wildly talented, but got paid 11M APY to be a LG. I wanted us to get him but when I saw what Oakland paid for him I was okay with having him slip by.

    • Nick

      That’s right Ozzie, go get that 4th round comp pick for him by allowing the Broncos to sign him…

    • gobroncos

      Hot diggity! I sure hope we can get him. I know nothing about him but he HAS to be an improvement over what we currently have.

  • The Color Orange

    If we’re to take Vance Joseph at his word that he hasn’t spent “even one minute” thinking about the future, and that he’s 100% focused on the Steelers, then when did he make the decision to fire Wade Phillips and promote Joe Woods?

    • Yahmule

      Inside a reporter’s head, I imagine.

      • The Color Orange

        Let’s hope.

        • Well he certainly didn’t say it directly as far as I saw so what else could we assume?

          • I guess *someone* said it (seeing tweet below) so it could be true, but not seeing him cross a line by talking about it. (Heck other guys are jumping gun by talking about what team they’d prefer to coach even while doing other interviews.)

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      Agent fuckery.

      • It’s awful with coaches since there’s only two or three that represent the majority of them.

  • Wonder why Klis is so pro-Shanny? Yesterday in an article he challenged Joseph’s candidacy based on Miami’s 29th rated D and only one year of coordinator exp.:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/817804379944288256

    • Nick

      He said “the best off candidate”, of which I read “off” as “offensive”, and as of now that’s trivially true since he’s the only offensive coach slated to be interviewed.

      • Well he should put a period after off. then if he meant offensive. But to your point, why even add that nonsense since he’s the only offensive candidate? I took it as he’s the candidate that Denver would be best off hiring.

        • Nick

          He was right at 140 characters with that tweet, but I’ll cede there were ways to condense it further to add the period that you felt would have been better.

          • I am sorry but he’s created unnecessary confusion, ha.

    • Nick

      In my somewhat ignorant mind, that’s a pretty big plus in Joseph’s favor.

    • The Color Orange

      It would be interesting to hear what McCoy’s plan for the offense would be. His go to offense is Erhardt-Perkins, but that doesn’t seem like the best fit for Lynch.

    • RSH, Esq.

      Old news around here, Mr. Breer.

  • Yahmule

    It’s very close but I think Von edges Antonio Brown for biggest ham in the NFL.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Go Brent. Duck the Raiders.

  • Yahmule

    I still have an Osweiler jersey. I don’t think I’m going to put it on, though.

    • diningerj

      I told my wife not to buy me one, but she did anyway…..will hang in the closet forever.

      • Yahmule

        I eventually send my old jerseys to my sister-in-law’s family in the Philippines. They have no idea who sucks.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Am I the only one that hates this “cinematic” kind of camera work?
    Makes games almost unwatchable. It’s bad enough it’s 2 horrible teams.

  • Yahmule

    How you can you not be on the same page in week 18?

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      Terrible coaching.

  • Nick

    Don’t like the decision to punt there, but at least the Raiders’ returner learned from Kalif Raymond last week and fair caught it at the 5.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    What is the proper beverage for this game?

    • Rhett Rothberg

      Mad Dog. What raiders fans drink when they lose….. Or win

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        Horrible beer in 40oz plastic bottles, check.

  • Nick

    Ha, nice shankopotamus there, King.

    • GrizzlyB

      So far, this game is everything I’d hoped it would be.

      • Nick

        Clowney came somewhat close to fulfilling my 2-0 prophecy. But I’ll also be quite satisfied with something like a 34-0 Texans score, however unlikely that many points may be.

  • Nick

    All right Clowney!

    It’s clear that the Raiders don’t trust Cook to throw the ball downfield, but they’re going to have no choice soon if the Texans keep stacking the short game, and with a 10-0 lead to boot.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

    Connors Cooked!!

  • GrizzlyB

    It’s OK guys, the Raiders have a plan:

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/817775668566065152

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Hope he loses the challenge just because fuck the Raiders

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

    Well…at least Crabtree got his chain fixed. That’s good news.

    • bradley

      Talib gave it back to him?

  • Yahmule

    Oh that was funny.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      That was some Larry Curly and Moe shit

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      Hilarious

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Oh Brent

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    JJ Watt and Carr are having mimosas in the could have been lounge.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Yo Crabtree, you have to chain in those catches.

  • drewthorn

    Seems like Oz would eventually see the downside of blistering fastballs to his first read as fast as possible.

    • GrizzlyB

      “WTF, he didn’t catch that? Guess I need to throw it faster.”

      • drewthorn

        He is just in such a hurry.

        Afraid to get hit? An awareness that he has no clue how the play call v. defensive look should sort out? It’s just odd that 5 years in he seems to lack no innate or instinctual grasp of the game…

    • FloydLittle44

      Adrenaline

      • drewthorn

        There we go. Simpler explanation. I wonder if he is highstrung in the real world, too.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    JJ Watt is an egotistical asshole.

    • GrizzlyB

      And are shuttles the best thing to incorporate into a workout regimen for a guy with a twice-herniated disc in his back? At least everybody could watch him do that on the field, I guess.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        Team made the playoffs? Don’t forget about me. I had nothing to do with it. But don’t forget about me. I’m the heart and soul of this team.

      • Yahmule

        You must be seeing a different guy than me. In that commercial, he cuts a huge assload of wood out in the solitude of the forest, eschewing publicity and attention.

    • drewthorn

      I’m guessing he is about as popular in the locker room as backed up toilets.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        You mean having his own private bedroom in the locker room for his strict nap regimen is not popular among teammates?

        • diningerj

          Really?

          • Random Anonymous Coward

            Yup. Not kidding on that one.

  • Nick

    Osweiler’s getting bailed out by some typical Raider penalties.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    So they are just learning that Oz can’t read defenses outside the film room?

  • Nick
    • GrizzlyB

      I think they owe us a draft pick for setting this up.

  • Carsonic

    When Brock was benched and then had to come back, I wondered if he might not have improved. There were definitely times in my life when I had to take a break from something and then I came back feeling more relaxed and aware and was more successful. We’ll see if it continues into the 2nd half.

    • Andrew

      Could be the case no doubt he has had a few pretty impressive throws so far in this one.

    • drewthorn

      I don’t see much change. He has always flashed talent and ability. He just can’t sustain it over 60 minutes much less a season.

  • Andrew

    Impressed with Clowny in this one Penn being out made a bad situation worse for Oakland.

    • Nick

      And they’ve lost Hudson for now, as well.

  • Kyle Milligan

    Not sure why but I feel that !Aybe Cushing is the heart and soul of Houston’s defense

  • Kyle Milligan

    I though mcgloin was injured. If he could have started why didn’t he?

    • Nick

      Sounds like McGloin could play but Del Rio thinks that he at less than 100% is worse than Cook. That guess is obviously being badly tested right now.

      • Rhett Rothberg

        He looked a little jittery last week too. Cook at 100% almost seemed better than McGloin at 100%

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    I gives me great pleasure to say fuck the Raiders.

    • Nick

      One can never say “Fuck the Raiders” enough.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Also, the fact that Crabtree lost his chain again gives me an unreasonable amount of pleasure.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Just tuned in. I dont even know who Brock is throwing to sometimes.

    • Nick

      Everyone watching looked perplexed at that decision, including Osweiler and Bill O’Brien. Texans need to be careful, the only likely way for the Raiders to get back into it is if they turn the ball over.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Remember el Azteca?

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Brock is trying to get his “tight windows”/receiver not open numbers up. Can’t let Trevor run away with number 10.

  • GrizzlyB

    6 drives for 6 punts? I suppose Del Rio is a branch of the Fox coaching tree, after all.

  • diningerj

    Raider wideouts with the “dropsies” Love it!

    • Nick

      And their RBs, too.

      • PiperAR

        And their little dog…

        • Nick

          The below is by far the most appropriate Wizard of Oz reference for today.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js

          • PiperAR

            The Raiders are the Wicked Witch of the West. Patriots are the Wicked Witch of the East.

    • Crabtree not able to move the chains.

  • Kyle Milligan

    Does the ball come out of his hand already on a downward trajectory because he is tall or is that a problem he has?

    • Yahmule

      I don’t know, but I never got used to seeing it.

  • Kyle Milligan

    F.T.R.

    • Yahmule

      That acronym reminds me of the old Rocky Mountain News Broncos message board. Great memories.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    Is that steam coming out of BOB’s ears?

    • Nick

      In his defense, every Texans fan should have been pissed off at Mercilus, that would have been the dagger if he didn’t do that.

    • Kyle Milligan

      You mean the penalty or muff? I got a split second of Jacoby Jones touchdown” feeling when the ball bounced off ervin.”

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Penalty initially, but it didn’t get much better after.

    • drewthorn

      It’s double awesome that the Raiders both suck today and can’t catch a break.

      Salt meet wound.

  • Nick
    • FloydLittle44

      To see the Faiders get buried by such an inept opponent is sublime. I hope Del Rio is their coach for the next 100 years. Love the countless shots of his sad, pathetic reactions. So glad we are rid of this loser.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        The fully healthy Raiders would have lost against this Texans in Mexico city if not for some very questionable calls.

        • Kush-Lash

          And the laser pointers as well.

  • Kush-Lash

    Brock Lobster!

    • Nick
      • Kush-Lash

        Hahaha!

      • GrizzlyB

        I was thinking “ostrich” on that run.

        • GrizzlyB

          Or should I say, “Oztrich.” How is this not a thing I’ve ever seen?

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Decent game by ol’ Brockturnal Emissions.

      • The Color Orange

        14 for 24 for 168 yards, 7.0 YPA and 1 TD, at home against an atrocious defense? I would call that “not horrendous.”

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          He ran for one as well. He should be reasonably satisfied with that performance.

  • Nick

    OK, that ought to do it, good job Brock. It looks like it’s stopped snowing here so I’m going to shovel off the sidewalk and cook dinner before DET/SEA tonight.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    So I guess technically Brock will have won the Texans a playoff game.

    That’s all the owner asked for after Hoyer’s meltdown! “Find me a QB that will get us a postseason win!”

    • Nick

      John Fox is jealous of this statement.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    what is the hotline number for the beyond 4 hour schadenfreude boner?

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Great new profile picture.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        Talib is the gift that keeps on giving.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    I love that we broke their backup QB so bad they won’t even replace this dummy with him.

    • drewthorn

      Randomly targeting general vicinities finally paid off, though. Gotta give him that.

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        Prevent defense and 5WR formations help

  • Kyle Milligan

    Houston is having a collective flashback to the Frank reich game right now

  • drewthorn

    Oz will prolly offer up a pick 6 here.

  • drewthorn

    Has Gruden ever encountered a QB that wasn’t playing heroically?

    I wonder sometimes if he isn’t being a smart ass and the world is just missing his wit

  • Welp. Looks like raiders are just about Cooked.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    What the fuck is “catch the vapors” is supposed to mean?

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      I had no initial idea either. Probably not this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLzxqbXMBNI

    • Kyle Milligan

      I think it was when people got horny in the Victorian era..

    • bradley

      To become suddenly emotional because of a recent event that is usually trivial. It can be something exciting or stressful. Mainly a Southern slang-term.

    • Carsonic

      I remember a Little House on the Prairie episode wherein the doctor said it was a fancy way of saying a lady had gas.

  • FloydLittle44

    Complete waste of a 12-4 season is a healing moment for me.

    • Nick

      Order is restored in the galaxy.

  • Nick

    Florio just said on NBC that Nick Caserio declined an interview opportunity for the 49ers GM position, and that the Chiefs blocked one of their executives from interviewing. They’re going to be stuck with hiring Shanny, aren’t they?

    • GrizzlyB

      If we do end up hiring Kyle Shanahan, I think it’s really best for the Broncos that Mike not be in the same state, and have another team to tinker around with and distract him.

    • They are interviewing two Seattle football ops. guys on Monday. Weird that Caserio declined, guess that report about McD/Caserio to SF was false.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    Texans number one defense held them to 14… Broncos held them to 6.

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    I hate Seattle, but they have better chances at stopping Dallas than Detroit.

    I’ll hold my nausea and say, Go Seabirds!

    • Kyle Milligan

      Since we got our ring, I am less pissed about what happened. But i still hope Pete Carroll momentarily chokes on his gum one time so he’ll quit being such a douche with the way he chews it.

  • Nick

    So something else that the Raiders have to keep in mind is that McGloin is a UFA this year. Not that he looked great or anything against Denver’s defense (few do!), but Cook looked dreadful today and clearly not ready for primetime. I’d think McGloin would have a fair amount of leverage in getting a pretty good contract from the Raiders, as they clearly fall apart without Carr.

    • Random Anonymous Coward

      They had no depth at OL either. Like most teams. That hurt them terribly as well.

    • GrizzlyB

      Yeah, I’ve been thinking that they should give McGloin a top-end backup contract, in the $7-8 million range. Then since he’s clearly so important, Carr should have a floor of $25 million/year, probably more towards $30 million/year. Mack is way better than any other defensive player in the league, probably twice as good as Von Miller, so he should get $38 million/year. Their line also fell apart without Donald Penn, and Osemele already makes $11 million/year, so Penn should get an extension for at least $16.5 million/year, what with being a left tackle and all.

      Now I just need to find a way to get into P.F. Chang’s and convince Bowlcut to do all of this.

    • drewthorn

      It remains to be seen how much of the magic season effect was at play for the Raiders this year. Lots of career years and good bounces. Not saying they totally blow, but I remain unconvinced that belong in the company o the elite.

  • FloydLittle44

    This game takes Houston out of the Shanny sweepstakes by delaying BOB’s firing by a year.

    • Nick

      One other rumor Florio floated on NBC is that O’Brien’s not particularly happy in Houston, and he may want to quit before the Texans get a chance to fire him.

      • GrizzlyB

        I don’t blame him. In that heat, his chin has got to be a natural breeding ground for all sorts of bacteria and molds.

  • Nick

    I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: I really, really like that NBC is giving Tirico, Michaels and Collinsworth opportunities to dress down a bit for games. It certainly fits in with the attitude of the Northwest in general, as well.

  • Nick

    Belichick is getting a large pot of boiling water ready to feast upon Brock Lobster.

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/817903054964084737

    • Nick

      Unless the Dolphins beat the Steelers, of course.

      • bradley

        That would be fun. Won’t happen, though.

    • Did he really need to address that after the game? Os played well today and the other option is… Tom Savage. The reporter that asked that question should have to turn in credentials.

  • Lions 3rd RT looks head and shoulders above Broncos two RTs.

  • Nick
    • GrizzlyB

      The Kruger Industrial Smoothing of the NFL.

      Snead: Kyle, I have to be honest, I could go either way with you. But, what the hell, we need someone.
      Shanahan: You won’t regret this, sir!
      Snead: I don’t care. Let’s find you an office.

  • InSiemianWeTrust

    I love our guys, but watching Rawls is a hard reminder of how slow our RBs are. He’s far twitchier and has made multiple guys miss.

    • GrizzlyB

      Kinda weird to see some people lately claiming that we don’t need to add anyone, especially when it comes to drafting one in the 1st.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Rawls was an undrafted RB 😉

      • DragonPie

        It’s because running backs are such a crap shoot, you’re nearly as likely to get an all-pro in the fourth as the first at that position.

  • Nick

    Obligatory Even Flow commercial bumper on a Seahawks NBC game.

  • A lot has been made about the Alex Marvez tweet claiming that Joseph’s DC would be Joe Woods. I wonder if Wade put out that message not wanting to report to his former secondary coach/have a defensive HC looking over his shoulder… as opposed to keeping his near total autonomy on the d side if Shanahan was hired, similar to what he had with Kubes,

  • From PFT: “Early elimination could give Vance Joseph an edge in Denver”

    This makes little sense to me, if you have to wait for your first choice you wait. Presumably as the top open job, Denver doesn’t need to worry about losing its top choice to another team.
    As has been speculated, they realize Shanahan can facilitate and off. turnaround but feel better about Joseph’s ability to lead the team. The line about Toub is almost a throwaway, don’t think he’s really in contention for the job.

    “As one source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT, the Broncos primarily are looking for someone who will ensure continuity defensively and fix the offense. They realize that Shanahan would be more likely to fix the offense, but they believe that Joseph could excel at reaching the players and getting the most out of them. Toub’s best quality would be his ability to work with the full roster, via his extensive experience doing just that as a special-teams coach.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/07/early-elimination-could-give-vance-joseph-an-edge-in-denver/

    • Nick

      Florio really isn’t saying anything that wasn’t obvious to begin with.

      • Right, but you agree they’re not going to pass on first choice on account of having to wait?

        • Nick

          Yes, I agree with you.

    • GrizzlyB

      Hard to see this as being any kind of obstacle at all — as I recall, Atlanta had Dan Quinn all but officially hired and his staff all but officially in place long before he actually finished Super Bowl XLIX with Seattle.

      Incidentally, that does raise a concern of mine, specifically that we’re hearing a bunch of coaching changes that Vance Joseph would like to make. I’m OK if we hire him, but these things were coming out before we interviewed Toub or Shanahan… I hope we truly went into this thing with an open mind.

  • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

    Detriots WR’s are horrible.

  • Nick
  • Perhaps if Jospeh is hired as HC, the Broncos should try to get Mike McDaniel as OC instead of a recycled McCoy. McDaniel is from Greeley and played football at Yale. He worked as a coaching intern with the Broncos in 2005 and since has served under Kyle Shanahan at several stops incl. Houston and Cleveland. He’s a member of MENSA, and is rumored to be Atlanta’s next OC if Shanahan gets a HC job. So… problem solved… get Joseph as HC and then hire McDaniel to bring the Kyle Shanahan offense. Nick… any way to find out if McDaniel is under contract for next yr. (i.e., can Falcons block him from a move to another team as OC)?

    • PiperAR

      John Elway: So Kyle, what assistants might you consider bringing to Denver with you?
      Kyle Shanahan: I would want Mike McDaniel to come as my OC because…

    • Nick

      No clue, I’d have to Google it just like anyone else could.

      • Ha, I wouldn’t have asked if I could find it via Google. Thought there may be some coaching contract database you were aware of…

        • Nick

          Nope. Coaching salaries usually only get leaked when some team fires a bad coach after giving him a lucrative extension just a year beforehand.

          • PiperAR

            As if that would ever actually happen….

    • Kndh19

      I like that much better than the thought of McCoy.

      It’s crazy how many of these coaches have Colorado connections.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Played football at Yale? Boola Boola!! Eli Yale!

    • Clifton Jackman

      I think the Vance Joesph hire is more about his OC than his DC. Elway I think is wants continuity with his Offensive Staff as much as possible and might want to keep both Siemian and Lynch in the same offense. Especially Lynch. Its been stated ad naseum that Siemian is incredibly smart and can absorb material in the classroom and apply it on the field. However, Lynch has such a huge learning curve that starting over with a new offense and new language would literally make him start all over in his progression. If he’s bringing an OC that comes from the Kubiak/Shanahan tree that uses similar language than I see the hire as easier to make. Its what makes me think Mike McCoy might not be the hire since he comes from a different Offense, even if he has shown the ability to adapt his offense around his players. So the McDaniel hire makes sense in that regard, but It wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t potentially promote Greg Knapp from QB Coach who we’ve kept on staff through two coaching changes.

  • ElwayIsGod7

    Idea:

    Kyle Shanahan HC

    Mike Shanahan OC 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • PiperAR

      COL (cough out loud)

      • ElwayIsGod7

        and GK comes back as QBC

    • Kndh19

      Equals: profit

  • Prater2Beadles4Six

    As much as I hate seattle, it is nice to see CU Buff product Paul Richardson having a great game with that circus td catch and another nice catch on a long pass.

  • Nick

    After NBC triggered me by showing Seattle’s Super Bowl banner, I’d be perfectly fine with the Seahawks winning it all this year, so that they would have a Lombardi to talk about that didn’t come at the Broncos’ expense.

  • Nick

    Seahawks fans going with the Steam song chant to close out the game, that seems overboard for a team that’s not a rival or isn’t that hated, such as the Lions.

    • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

      In their defense, they are just learning how to be fans.

  • Gah another Seattle New England super bowl will be unbearable.

    • orangeandblueaussie

      Go Miami, go Brock.