• RSH, Esq.

    My father attended a conference for work last night in which Peyton Manning was the keynote speaker. I thought I would share the photo (not the greatest quality) that he text messaged me last night. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89dd38adcd47a6911cf857218590036278a1b6ef9151ea32a15b7fbaf965e7ea.jpg

  • PiperAR

    Poll results
    Kyle Shanahan: 24 upvotes
    Vance Joseph: 12 upvotes
    Toub: 8 upvotes
    drewthorn: 7 upvotes

    • PiperAR

      While I’d like to stick with a more established candidate, if drewthorn gets the job, I look forward to the BoR (Book of Revelations) offense unveiled.

      Beast of the sea! Beast of the sea! Seven heads! Hut!
      Third seal! Horseman two left! Horseman two left! Huthut!
      Dragon! Dragon! Antichirst hot! Antichrist hot! Hut!

    • Nick

      I don’t really have much to say that hasn’t already been said, and if I did add on most of it would be talking out of my ass. All I’ve got is that I’m torn between Joseph and Shanahan, I don’t think the Broncos can go wrong with either, and the question is which one is the “more correct” choice that keeps them in Super Bowl contention regularly.

    • Steven_Searls

      Surprised Drew isn’t running away with this vote. He’s the most obvious choice because he’s the least obvious choice.

  • Rhett Rothberg

    Interesting thought they are pursuing on the “Station that shall not be named”…

    Schlereth for the next OL coach

    • pubkeeper

      If we’re going that route, i think I’d rather have Polumbus.

      • Rhett Rothberg

        I like him on the radio, but he’s too close to the situation to be a coach…

        I think Schlereth would be pretty good… Has the understanding of the technical side and the maturity and understanding of some of the teaching concepts…

        • pubkeeper

          I hear ya. But Tyler talked a lot this season about the different techniques Shanahan had his o line using compared to kubes. I’ve only really heard stink stand by the “scheme is fine” mantra.

    • RSH, Esq.

      Schlereth has turned down offensive line coach positions in the past, but he is interviewing with another team when the season is over to be an offensive line coach.

  • Nick

    And here’s where I remind Smith that the last time he went up against the No Fly Zone, he had a grand total of 2 catches for 13 yards, and also got pick-sixed by Talib.

    https://twitter.com/89SteveSmith/status/817344533272870912

    • Benjamin Funderburk

      I must confess, though, I’ve caught myself daydreaming of how dominant Demaryius Thomas would be if he had Steve Smith’s punch a fool in the face attitude. I imagine practice between him and Talib would be must-see TV!

  • I generally dislike Klis, mostly cause he comes off as pushing team agendas and makes ridiculous comments like Siemian should be in the Pro Bowl conversation, or Josh McDaniels knows how to deal with and overcome adversity as he once missed in XP in a HS rivalry game while playing for his father’s team… but he finally made a great point:

    https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/817384596174082049

    • drewthorn

      It’s not as if the team just shamelessly lies about everything and uses the village idiot Klis to do it. The sky isn’t perpetually falling either. I don’t get this idea that if you aren’t ripping the shit out of a thing, you must not be thinking or smart or honest. Criticism is the easy approach.

      Siemian was coming off a streak of 6 +300 yard performances, accomplished with keystone cops protection and no running game. I can think of a lot dumber things than being impressed or moved by that feat.

    • Yahmule

      My favorite McDaniels comment after he choked was, “God made me miss that kick because he knew I was the only one who could handle it.”

      Sounds like someone you would want to hang around with.

      Nothing better than watching a kicker eye fuck the camera.

      http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/195009/joshmcdaniels.jpg

  • Royalwithcheese

    Any doctors out there with realistic projections for when Paradis might be back on the field after surgery on both hips?

    • CFD1983

      I’m not a doctor but they are hoping by camp he is cleared 100%, they are doing one hip at a time, so OTAs he will still be recovering…

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Don’t know enough details about the problem to know the surgery or the timeline. I would assume if he played in the last meaningless game that the projection would be Paradis would be back for TC. Otherwise he would have just had surgery after Wk 16.

      • bradley

        Kubiak and Paradis said he’d be ready by TC, if not OTCs.

    • Rhett Rothberg

      I dismiss this out of hand because Klis said it….

      OK, I’ll stop now πŸ€“

      • The Color Orange

        Is this going to be the 25th day in a row that someone has to explain that Klis can absolutely be trusted on facts and that it’s only his analytical football opinions that are open to ridicule? Maybe we can put a sticky note at the top of the page so someone doesn’t need to explain this every day.

        • RSH, Esq.

          I think that Rhett was being sarcastic.

          • Rhett Rothberg

            I hereby declare bold italics as sarcasm font

        • Rhett Rothberg

          Maybe we can have RSH draft up some legalese to make sure we properly document the Official Thin Air Klis policy for all Klis related posts..

          We should probably extend that to all posts that include content from a media member because we all know that an ideas virtue stems solely from its claimant and not on its own merit…

  • Nick

    Drew Boylhart confirms what most of us have observed from Christian McCaffrey.

    http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2017profiles/Christian.McCaffrey.htm

    • bradley

      We need to draft him in the first or the Cheaters will.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        How cool would it be if Shannys kid, and Eddy Mac’s kid, come to Denver to save the Broncos, with John Elway overseeing it all? This, my friend, are what orange, and blue dreams are made of…

        • Royalwithcheese

          I like the way you think…

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            I’ll tell you right now, he’ll never have a tan as good as Mikes’. Never.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            Kyle’s mom must have diluted that genetic tan potential.

          • Yahmule

            I like this picture. It looks like Kyle is talking Mike down from something that pissed him off.

            http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/mike-shanahans-son-kyle-shanahan.jpg

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Mike: They haven’t changed the fucking bulbs in that bed for months.

            Kyle: Chill out Dad. You look great.

        • drewthorn

          “…save the Broncos…” may be just a wee bit strong. I’m not sure 9-7 and their collection of talent qualifies as standing on the precipice of damnation or anything like that.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Come on Drew! You’re not above a good hyperbole!

          • drewthorn

            Me? What? No!

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Our head coach got fired after a 12-4 season, one year removed from a Super Bowl appearance. WE ARE BRONCOS!!!

          • drewthorn

            I wonder, though, fully understanding that I come up with some crazy and convoluted angles, if Elway will NOT consider C McC simply because of the sentimentality of the thing.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            Like if Elway overthought, out-thinking everyone? Possibly.

          • drewthorn

            C McC at 20, then flopping horribly, would tarnish his legacy far more than any other bust in the same slot. Pundits will just gut him over it. He might think: Why tempt the massive headache?

          • Nick

            Ice cold take: the Broncos will construct their board as usual. If McCaffrey is at the top at #20, they’ll take him, if he’s not, they won’t.

          • drewthorn

            I imagine you are right. I imagine, also, that C McC loses a tie. That is, if Denver has him and another guy pretty much the same, they probably go the other guy.

          • bradley

            True, except CMC won’t flop.

          • drewthorn

            I tend to agree. Just saying a psychological dynamic might be in play with him more so than other prospects.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            If CMC is successful, it’ll be a no brainer. He was one of the best college players 2 years running.

            If CMC is not successful, there’ll be so much media crap about nepotism and how he was overdrafted.

            Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

          • gobroncos

            It’s not crazy. I’ve thought the exact same thing. I said as much in a post when all this convo about CMC started.

          • gobroncos

            No, but having a decent kick and punt returner would have won us at least one game if not two or three this season. That’s the difference between 9-7 and 11-5 and getting into the playoffs.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      What mystifies me most is that CMC and Cook are the same size. Far fewer people question Cook’s durability. #WhiteRBproblems

      • Nick

        Funny you say that: Boylhart compares Cook to Jamaal Charles and also worries about injuries with overusing him.

        http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2017profiles/Dalvin.Cook.htm

        • Yahmule

          Getting a 22 year old Jamal Charles wouldn’t the worst case scenario for a team that drafts him. He sure looked impressive racking up another MVP award in the recent Orange Bowl against the second ranked defense in the country. I think he could be the best back to come out of the state since Emmitt Smith.

      • Yahmule

        Cook has about ten pounds and a faster 40 time, but I would love to have either one. I would take Baby Earl Campbell over both of them, though.

        http://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2016/05/12/7607eea1-2449-4068-8d2a-0d1cdd1a6216/resize/670×377/449fd1e4f305687775ee3a8c767f8ab3/leonard-fournette-truck-lsu.jpg

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          Ah, my mistake. Looks like Cook put up 10 pounds last offseason. I had previously seen both Cook and CMC listed around 202-206, which I guess is no longer the case. I do wonder if CMC will be able to pack on more before the combine.

          As for the 40 times, none of them are official right? They are just projected times or heresay, as seen here: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130712&draftyear=2018&genpos=RB

          “Shannon Turley, Stanford’s head strength and conditioning coach since 2007, said McCaffrey runs a 4.50 laser-timed 40”. This quote is from 2015.

          Max ran a 4.36 at 1 inch taller and the same weight as CMC.

          Hopefully CMC can bring his down to 4.45.

          http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2016/08/10/dalvin-cook-pounds-fsu-begins-fall-camp/88545606/

          • Yahmule

            I would be thrilled with either one and I think it’s very likely teams are split between Cook and McCaffrey regardless of what the mocks indicate. McCaffrey’s versatility and McCaffreyness are a perfect fit in Denver, but I won’t start crafting a picket sign if the Broncos pick Cook instead. Any reservations people have will evaporate after one pre-season game. Cook’s instincts and acceleration are elite.

          • G Mik

            Hard to argue with what McCaffrey has been able to accomplish. We live 15 min from Stanford now so I’ve seen a lot and his stats are just incredible. He was completely screwed out of the Heisman last year. That said, when you watch Cook, he just passes more of the eye test for me.

            Hopefully they both turn out to be great players but I would certainly lean towards Cook. However, where they go will likely determine their success as much as they will. And I think it is unlikely we pick either. With the backfield we already have and the holes we have on the team I don’t see it happening as exciting as it would be.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            If Kyle is tapped as HC, I’d be happy with a CMC pick. I think he would use him to his full potential. The flipside of that is that Kyle has worked magic with Devonta Freeman (drafted in the 4th) and Coleman (3rd). Can’t really go wrong.

          • Nick

            I’d be happy with McCaffrey regardless of who the HC or OC is. I think he’s a player that can succeed in any system.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • G Mik

      Ouch. That’s tough. Hard to believe he was so bad this year as he played pretty damn well for us last year. We really moved the ball, especially in the first half before we would take our foot off the pedal. Sounds like O’Brien will be taking the fall for this.

      • Jeremy

        See my post about Kubiak…

        • G Mik

          Thanks. I missed a few days incl that article which is a really great read. Not only was Kubiak effective but he did it the correct way – with honesty, loyalty, sincerity, and compassion.

          Well I guess we can’t expect that Trevor will be as effective moving forward but let’s hope he’s another outlier.

    • Sparks

      An couple of interesting names jump off the list to me – #8&9. So, basically the MVP media darling (before his injury) had a historically shitty year his first year starting. And this year’s first overall pick had a historically shitty year his first year starting. Not saying Siemian is in either of these guys categories, but I think any analysis of him should come with the ‘first year starter’ caveat.

      • PiperAR

        No kidding. Derek Carr wasn’t an instant MVP? Who would think?

      • gobroncos

        Wentz must have regressed significantly because he was playing pretty good ball early this year. No picks for quite a while if I recall.

    • Yahmule

      A couple interesting things. One is the gap between Osweiler and the second worst ranked QB is almost twice as large as the gap between QB2 and QB10.

      Also like to see that Flacco had the worst season of his career – at least by this one particular metric – before Kubiak arrived and then he had his best season.

    • Kush-Lash

      Curious how much of this is on Brock’s shoulders and how much is on O’Briens. Not sticking up for Brock, but just legitimately curious what other factors have contributed to Houston’s poor offensive outings.
      If I recall, O’Brien didn’t even meet with Brock during free agency, could this be a self fulfilling prophecy?

      • Yahmule

        You can’t say his skill position assets on offense were poor. What’s really damning is how journeyman QB’s on the Houston roster were able to hook up with DeAndre Hopkins in 2015 and he and Osweiler work about as well together as India and Pakistan.

        • Kush-Lash

          That’s a fair point, I’m just waiving a conspiracy theory around. I’m not sure Bill O’Brien has ever been entirely sold on Brock and I wonder what role coaching as a whole has played on Brock’s decline.

          • Yahmule

            I agree he would have done better here under Kubiak. The Texans do a lot of strange things. The way that played out, it is possible Oz was somewhat forced on O’Brien.

        • gobroncos

          At least India and Pakistan could lob bombs back and forth.

      • gobroncos

        That’s a valid point. Kubes got more out of him when he played for us and I’m pretty sure he would have gotten more out of him than what he produced at the Texans had he stayed with the Broncos.

    • Jeremy

      Interesting. A bit cherry picked though, as throwing the ball 500 times is a recent phenomenon. If you instead restrict to qbs who started at least 12 games he is only 7th worst of all time.

      http://pfref.com/tiny/XhVGo

      • Yahmule

        See? Cheer up Texans fans, six guys in history were worse.

      • gobroncos

        Oh, only? Well then!

  • RSH, Esq.
  • RSH, Esq.
    • Yahmule

      Glad Jimmy got enough liquid courage in him to finally face the media.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        That extremely, flushed look is so hot right now.

    • RSH, Esq.

      Colts retain HC Chuck Pagano, GM Ryan Grigson: IRSAY $50M IN CASH FOR HOOKERS Grade

      This is obviously an “F,” and I think we’ve now trended into a territory where we can call bizarre ownership moves Irsay grades. That’s how bad this decision is.

      I recently suggested on the picks podcast that Jim Irsay hadn’t made a move on Ryan Grigson and Chuck Pagano because he was on a bender and wasn’t capable of thinking clearly. Well, he might still be on one because retaining both men makes absolutely no sense. Grigson is one of the worst general managers in the NFL. He’s been guilty of signing countless flops in free agency; his draft bust list is very extensive; and he has neglected to protect Andrew Luck all of these years. Pagano, meanwhile, is often outmatched. He seems like a nice guy, but he’s not cut out to be a head coach in the NFL.

      Indianapolis fans have to feel very frustrated about this. They’ve watched as both the Titans and Texans have passed them in the division, making AFC South victories no longer a sure thing. Luck will once again be asked to do everything himself, and that sounds like another 8-8 campaign to me.

      https://twitter.com/walterfootball/status/817445892638777344

      • Yahmule

        Andrew Luck is getting Elwayed by his team management.

      • Nick

        Walter is so damn entertaining with the grades he hands out.

    • GrizzlyB

      I mean, this is the right move, it’d be stupid for them to wade into the GM/HC pool at this point, and I think Irsay already said a few weeks ago that they were staying. That doesn’t mean that they’re good, but it does mean that there are only a few candidates out there and they’d already be behind in the process.

      It is funny that it apparently became a huge firestorm in Indy, with everybody basically left twisting in the wind while neither Irsay nor anybody in the organization said anything amid constant rumors, that were probably kicked off by Irsay pretending that he’d totally bring in Peyton Manning to run the shitshow.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • Nick

      Also important to note that they were all first team:

      https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/817423088673378305

      I need to find out the whole list now to determine comp pick stuff, particularly for the Broncos.

      • Nick

        Damnit, Zeke was named. We’ll have to see if that bumps Trevathan down in my projection.

        • Nick

          Oh wow, so it was good news in the end. Zeke did pass Trevathan as I feared after I boosted him for this honor, but then I also saw that Daryl Washington was listed immediately above Trevathan as well. Technically speaking, we still have to record a cap year for him since he is actually still under contract with the Cardinals despite being indefinitely suspended–his contract just keeps getting tolled. However, he should not count in the comp pick formula, so after removing him, Trevathan once again just barely got above the 4th/5th cutoff.

          However, although I’ll be officially projecting Trevathan as a 4th, that is very, very uncertain, and prepare yourself for him counting as a 5th. I’ll be publishing a full comp pick projection article on here in just a little bit.

          • gobroncos

            How the hell do you figure all this stuff out? The NFL must have a formula for the way they do things, and I know they don’t release it (which is sketchy because maybe someone could make a personal decision and push the threshold one way or the other). As accurate as you are, your formula must be pretty damn close to what the NFL uses.

          • Nick

            Most of the real hard work of figuring this out was done by AdamJT13, the true pioneer. I’ve added a few things here and there but I’m mostly just carrying his torch.

      • RSH, Esq.
        • bradley

          Good on Ryan. The Cheater dosen’t dexerve any award.

          • gobroncos

            Agreed.

        • Given that Ryan won first-team All-Pro honors, I would be shocked if he doesn’t get MVP.

          And the guy who is getting the most push for MVP isn’t Brady… it’s Aaron Rodgers.

          • Yahmule

            I can see Ryan getting it, but Rodgers has been brilliant down the stretch and I think that will resonate more for voters.

          • Then voters aren’t paying attention to their own ballots. Just five voters gave Rodgers an All-Pro nod.

          • Yahmule

            100% of the people voting for Ryan would choose Rodgers if they had to pick between the two guys to win a playoff game, but Ryan is a defensible MVP choice.

      • RSH, Esq.
    • Tyler

      When is the last time one team had two cornerbacks selected as First Team All Pros? Ever?

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        “Together, Harris and Talib became the Broncos’ first All-Pro cornerbacks since Champ Bailey, and the only pair of first-team cornerbacks since at least 1962, when the term “cornerback” was gaining traction. (Before then, teams used two “defensive halfbacks” for the responsibilities cornerbacks now have.”

        Basically its never happened before.

        • Tyler

          What a time to be a Broncos fan.

        • Yahmule

          Speaking post merger, there were only 26 teams from 70 to 75. And only 28 teams until 1995. So the odds of this happening with 32 teams in the league are even longer.

      • Yahmule

        I can’t remember it happening. I checked the likely duos. Lott/Wright – no. Haynes/Hayes – no. Dixon Minnifield came close. Hanford was All Pro in 86 and 87 and Frank was in 88. Deion Sanders and Eric Davis came close, too. Niether of the Woodson’s managed it.

        Dick “Night Train” Lane and Dick LeBeau were the foundation of some great Lions defenses in the 60’s, but they didn’t do it, either. Herb Adderley and Bob Jeter also came close, but couldn’t line up.

        Those were my best guesses.

      • ICYMI, RSH shared Andrew Mason tweet’s below. It is the first time any team has had two cornerbacks selected as First Team All Pros.

      • Brian

        Also interesting that they’re both from the same secondary at KU.

  • RSH, Esq.

    By one measure, Trevor Siemian was the tenth most aggressive NFL quarterback in 2016.

    https://twitter.com/NFL/status/817423065491668994

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      “The Next Gen Stats metric we’re using to compile this ranking is “percentage of passes thrown into tight windows.”

      So either 1) bad decisions 2) receivers can’t get open 3) double coverage due to lack of run game 4) huge dick.

      Makes sense.

      “To his credit, he responded well and his 48 completion percentage on tight window throws was the sixth-best among starting quarterbacks. Even the short throws became high-degree of difficulty ones for the Broncos quarterback. His 18.4 tight window percentage on passes that traveled less than 10 air yards was the eight-highest, but again, his 58.9 completion rate on those throws ranked inside the top-five.”

      • gobroncos

        This goes back to my thinking that DT doesn’t get himself open. He’s a freakish athlete. He’s big, tall, fast, etc., but he doesn’t seem to have sharp cuts. He’s not an ankle breaker in juking guys to get open. This goes back to his days at VT when he played in a triple option offense. He wasn’t asked to do much in college and his route running was one of his biggest dings coming to the pro’s. He’s gotten better, but I don’t think that aspect of his game is elite at all. Not even pedestrian. He makes up for it with size and speed and athletic ability to catch the ball (even then he tends to drop the easy ones).

        • Rhett Rothberg

          Dez Bryant has STILL not put up a better year than DT yet, so….

          • drewthorn

            Yeah, but Dez didn’t have the advantage of Manning. Or a hologram of Manning. Or Oz. Or Siemian.

            Plus he cares really hard.

          • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

            But is DT any where near as annoyi… i mean, “passionate”?

          • gobroncos

            True. I’m glad we picked up DT over Dez. Dez is a head case.

          • Rhett Rothberg

            Don’t get me wrong, your point is valid. He’s a certain type of WR. He’s not a Jerry Rice guy who will kill you with skill. But, he is still very very good…. The numbers are there…

        • pubkeeper

          Don’t forget he was playing on a bum hip all year. I was critical of him last year, but he gets big props from me this season. Toughness that not many recognized because he’s quiet.

          • gobroncos

            I’m not saying DT is a bad player. I’m saying that this is one aspect of his game as a WR that is lacking. If he stepped that up a notch, he’d be more dangerous than Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown is a good route runner. He gets open a lot, not because of speed, but because he goes in and out of his breaks with precision and quickness.

          • Yahmule

            And he’s 50 pounds lighter.

          • pubkeeper

            Right, Just saying that’s a little more difficult on an injured hip.

        • Jeremy

          GT not VT

          • Rhett Rothberg

            I was gonna do it… But it’s Friday, which is an RDO for my grammar nazi…

        • drewthorn

          I do worry a little that DT will do the hard fade when it comes. I doubt his decline will be gradual.

        • Kndh19

          I’m hoping that a new coach will get back to taking advantage of what DT does best and that’s running after the catch. Gase was great about getting him 2-3 screens a game and then those drags where they basically set it up like a screen where he had 3 blockers out in front of him, lots of mesh plays with the other receivers picking his guy. Kubiak didn’t scheme to his strengths very well in my opinion.

          • Carsonic

            Very good point!

      • Tyler

        Clearly option 4 is the correct answer

      • Yahmule

        One of the things that impressed me most about Siemian was when he followed up an ugly pick against Carolina in week one with a pass completion into a very tight window.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          I’ll always think fondly of that game. Basically an entire offseason of hype about how the Panthers were going to crush our QB-less team. A little Mile High Magic at the end seals the deal and the Panther’s entire season goes down the drain. Riverboat Ron shortly after would complain about how his team was set up to fail by having a Super Bowl rematch hang over their heads all offseason. Piss off.

          We had such a bizarre start to the season. Trevor threw multiple screen INTs, which basically never happens. The whole point of a screen is that it’s a safe, quick pass. His 18/10 ratio aint bad, but if you take out those freak screen INTs he’s above 2x TD/INT. I’m not trying to inflate his numbers; just wanted to call attention how weird the beginning of the season was. I remember thinking, “What the hell is going on?!” Guess it’s first time starter issues.

          • GrizzlyB

            Give Rivera some credit… he was sobbing about that well before the game was ever played.

        • drewthorn

          He routinely made the hard attempt (and hit a very fair share), when many, many QBs would have waited and hoped that the checkdown would be open.

          There is a thing about him, and you could see it early. Can’t say exactly what it is, but not a lot of guys have it.

          • Yahmule

            I think year two will tell us a lot. Was he unlucky with injuries this year? If not, will he be able to play through minor dings without a loss of performance? I think durability is the biggest factor that could hinder him long term. I believe he’ll work hard enough to erase his other flaws.

          • drewthorn

            Yep. Agree, even if I don’t really understand how one guy can endure the beating and the next guy can’t.

          • Yahmule

            Muscles help.

          • Brian

            So much this. Poise and confidence. Swagger. Precision. Decisiveness. Intelligence. Not every qb with these qualities develops into an elite NFL qb; however I contend that few if any elite NFL qbs lack these intangibles.

            So necessary but not sufficient. This, more than anything else is what has me all in on TS. It’s hard to find qbs who have ‘it’.

          • drewthorn

            I wonder if it’s not as simple as he sees it as a game. That the future of the universe doesn’t hinge on every attempt or outcome. I get that sense from A. Rodgers, too. They both seem slightly amused by the spectacle of it all.

            I agree, in general. That doesn’t in its self make him the guy. But it is sort of rare, and being good mentally is always a good start.

      • Lonestar47

        Probably all of the above with special emphasis on number four HUGE DICK.

  • Nick

    Broncos comp pick projection up below, and if you reload the page you’ll see that I’ve added the projected overall numbers of all the Broncos’ picks to the sidebar.

    http://in-thinair.com/2017/01/06/2017-compensatory-pick-projection-for-the-broncos/

    Expect the leaguewide projection tomorrow.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • drewthorn

      I still marvel at my inability to see the forest through the trees with Miller. I KNEW how good he was, yet couldn’t see how Denver needed him much. Shit, we already had Wes Woodyard!!!

      I was drunk on D Tackle mania.

      • Grover7874

        Thank goodness you’re applying for the coaching position. As a scout or GM – you’d suck. πŸ˜‰

        • drewthorn

          A total failure of imagination, common sense, competence, competitiveness and pride would make me fit in perfectly with the only media explanation for organizational adversity. I would be very appealing to a controversy adverse organization. That’s how I’m selling my candidacy.

          • The Browns are hiring!! (j/k) πŸ˜‰

      • Adding to this, only Bobby Wagner got more votes than Von Miller (48). Keep in mind, though, that Wagner plays inside linebacker and All-Pro voting puts ILBs and OLBs together. Khalil Mack, who got 46 votes, is listed as an edge rusher (another way of saying “defensive end”).

        ETA: Also, the only unanimous selections for first-team All-Pro were kicker Justin Tucker and return man Tyreek Hill.

    • Nick

      Somewhat crazy that Elway wasn’t a 3time 1st teamer–I’m guessing Marino stole a lot of opportunities from him.

      • Yahmule

        “Somewhat crazy that Elway wasn’t a 3time 1st teamer–I’m guessing Marino Reeves stole a lot of opportunities from him.”

        Leaving aside the All Pro team, Elway made more Pro Bowls after age 32 under Phillips/Shanahan than he did in 12 years under Reeves.

  • RSH, Esq.
    • Rhett Rothberg

      Wait…. Pueblo is a real town?

      • Yahmule

        Just in Spanish.

      • Dumpster211

        Sadly yes. I’m from there, I got out as quick as I could after high school, then that damn place pulled me back for another tour of duty until I escaped to San Diego,

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Home of the US Government Printing Office Distribution Center (Send for you free consumer information catalogue…Pueblo, Colorado, 81009!), a large chunk of the country’s remaining chemical weapons stockpile (780,000 rounds / 2,700 tons of mustard agent), cheap housing and about 3 restaurants worth eating at.

        https://govbooktalk.gpo.gov/2013/05/07/over-1-billion-served-gpos-pueblo-distribution-center-hits-historic-milestone-today/

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_Chemical_Depot

        • JMac

          Went through there on my way to New Mexico this year and stopped at a great brewery that’s on the riverwalk, in a converted police station… The rest of the city is just like SMA said, but if you close your eyes until getting to the river walk, there’s a fun little section that’s not ghetto

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            Yeah, the new river walk is nice. There’s a sushi restaurant down there that was surprisingly decent. I’ve also had several good steaks and lamb chops at DJ’s Steakhouse on the north side of town. Mexican food is also good. Jorge’s Sombrero, for one.

        • Rhett Rothberg

          I’ve been by the depot…

          • SterlingMalloryArcher

            I inspect it regularly for work. Have you been to it, or just driven by?

          • Rhett Rothberg

            By it….long time ago. I don’t even know why….which sort of gets back to my point on Pueblo πŸ˜‰

      • PiperAR

        Lived there in the 80s, second grade to seventh. The climate was nice.

      • drewthorn

        My wife called me from Pueblo this summer, and I found myself stressing that she shouldn’t hold the experience against Colorado in general.

        It’s really Colorado’s Cleveland, and it does little to challenge that reflexive assumption among the natives.

        • WhirlingDervish

          Wow.. and here I thought getting away to Pueblo from Colorado Springs was a good thing πŸ˜€ Granted I didn’t interact with people much when I went down there… πŸ™‚

        • Rhett Rothberg

          Ha! I’ve been there, but its been a long time…

          It’s just one of those cities that you know exists, has a decent amount of people in it, but you really have no idea what they do there and that it could probably exist or not and no one would really know the difference…

    • Yahmule

      Still single digits here and I have a damn driveway to shovel.

      • RSH, Esq.

        I’d help you out, if I was in Greeley!

        • Yahmule

          I appreciate that very much. As you can see, I’m still stalling. Time to get out there. ;~)

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        The cold makes the snow a hell of a lot easier to move, so there’s that.

        • Yahmule

          It was powdery, too. Nice exercise in the cold fresh air.

    • Nick

      I’ve been trying to find a satellite image for all of North America to see how snow covered it is right now. Thanks for at least the Colorado version!

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      Hey I shoveled! My driveway is not contributing to that snow cover.

  • http://awfulannouncing.com/2017/who-should-vote-for-the-hall-of-fame-probably-not-only-the-writers.html

    While the Awful Announcing link above talks about the Baseball HOF, I think it’s relevant to the Football HOF, too. Long story short: Alex Putterman (the writer of the article) suggests the Baseball HOF panel be expanded to go beyond sportswriters. I think that makes sense for the Pro Football HOF as well.

    For those who are interested, here is the Washington Post article that is referenced in the AA article.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.ffaa982df101

    • Nick

      The problem I have with allowing players and executives in as voters is that they’re going to have strong biases in favor of their teams, and perhaps against other teams as well. They would also have to recuse themselves multiple times for conflict of interest issues if a current or former colleague is up for induction. It’s true that the writers on the beat of a single team will have their own biases, but I’m inclined to believe that it’s not as strong as player/executive biases would be.

      I’m not opposed to seeing broadcasters, bloggers and researchers added (I’d love to see someone like Aaron Schatz on the board), but I also don’t see them as fundamentally different from traditional writers. Some differences for sure, but in the end they’re all covering football from the outside.

      • I’d be OK with a few former players or executives, but you’d have to look for those who understand the elements of the game well and go beyond favoring their teammates. Brian Baldinger is a good example of a former player I’d trust to fairly evaluate others. Matt Millen was a terrible team executive, but as a player analyst, he’s pretty good.

  • Yahmule

    Five picks in the top 101…

    https://youtu.be/R6OCizr9MwI

    • Kush-Lash

      This was your best 80s movie reference to date.

  • Nick
    • drewthorn

      It’s really kind of disrespectful of us commoners, many of who would keep that chain and it’s insurance policy in a safe deposit box, to flaunt such a thing during a football game. So Talib was just engaging in some good ol’ fashioned social activism, and even Rodger knows the constitution celebrates such a thing.

      Or something like that.

      • that was my biased/homer reaction to it too (I do think Crabtree is an obnoxious git and the chain thing is ridic), buuuut… it was still pretty dickish of Talib. (I admit, because I think Crabtree is an ass, that I still laughed, tho.) But he should’ve been fined.

        • drewthorn

          Hell yeah it was a dick move. Talib is our dick. Every self respecting good sports team has at least one.

      • Broncos777

        I wonder if it was in response to something Crabtree said during or after the first matchup between the Broncos and Raiders. It seemed like the secondary went out of their way in that game to show them who was boss.

        • drewthorn

          Talib said afterward that he warned Crabtree not wear that obnoxious chain next time they played. Told him he’d rip it off. Kept his word.

  • More bad news for the Raiders come playoff time.

    https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/817480236422066176

    • BlackKnigh

      Maybe Oz will get his first playoff win.

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      How is this not a fine?

      • Yahmule

        Sub-category C clearly states that no penalty shall be charged if the offended party is a little beyotch.

        I apologize for the dated terminology but this added in 1990. Also known as the Willie Gault clause.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          It’s because Roger W. Goodell doesn’t care about black people.

  • Nick

    An interesting opportunity for Elway to tweet.

    https://twitter.com/johnelway/status/817485847092150274

    • RSH, Esq.

      Now go get yourself some BBQ and vex the Chiefs, John!

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Strikes me as odd. Unless he is planning on doing this with all candidates.. just odd.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Sounds like he’s complimenting him publicly to soften the blow of not offering him the job.

      • RSH, Esq.

        In January 2011, John Elway disseminated various Tweets involving head coaching interviews.

        https://twitter.com/johnelway/status/25007491930660865

        https://twitter.com/johnelway/status/24291920230486016

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          Ahh I see, looks to be common practice for him. Thanks!

      • The Color Orange

        He’s done this before, both with those who got the job and those who didn’t.

        https://twitter.com/johnelway/status/25007491930660865

        https://twitter.com/johnelway/status/25372134876385280

        • RSH, Esq.

          I beat you by one minute. πŸ™‚

        • Jeremy

          I mentioned this yesterday but don’t think most saw it. Transparency was the buzz word during the 2011 coaching search, which lead to those tweets. And apparently some considered it weird back then and were worried it may scare off potential coaches.
          http://www.forbes.com/sites/marketshare/2011/01/13/will-broncos-transparency-pay-off-or-blow-up/#123622f41d82

          • The Color Orange

            2011 was different, as that article points out. In 2011, the team was posting interviews with all of the potential candidates on its web site. They would film them on the way to headquarters and ask then questions. These tweets by Elway are just the kind of bland statements that he makes after they draft or sign players. I don’t know how it’s being particularly transparent to say that you just wrapped up an interview with a person who everyone already knows you’re interviewing.

          • Jeremy

            I agree the tweets aren’t what I would call transparent, but I also don’t see short interviews on the website with candidates as that transparent either.

    • RSH, Esq.
      • bradley

        Sounds like he’s got a head on his shoulders. He gets my vote for HC. Vance and Kyle are too young.

      • GrizzlyB

        The fact that Toub has been the best ST coordinator in the league for many years should not be a surprise… but somehow it is, judging by the number of, “LOL broncos he cant taek tyreke hill w/him!!1” comments I’ve seen scattered across the internet.

      • Snatch Mouth

        How many playoff wins?

    • Nick

      One of the rare times that Schefter is behind on the news:

      https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/817500312063852544

  • The Color Orange
    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Fuck that noise.

    • Royalwithcheese

      From the Broncos to the Browns? Couldn’t happen, Right?

      • GrizzlyB

        Ask Britton.

    • RSH, Esq.

      And the annual change in some coach and/or scheme is underway with the Browns. This is the second time that Horton has been dismissed as Cleveland’s defensive coordinator in the past three years. (!)

    • Nick
    • FarAwayBroncoFan

      Ugggh. I am getting this sick feeling Wade is not coming back.

  • drewthorn

    So Dane Bruglar (NFLDraftScout) has Fournette and Cook coming off the board at 14 and 16 respectively. Independent of our individual individual assessments of Brugler’s competence and credibility, Denver would have to think hard about making that short of leap if that scenario played out, yes?

    • InSiemianWeTrust

      Given that all 3 potential first round OTs are off the board by 12 in the below mock draft, maybe?

      If we can’t get an OT (who isn’t a TOTAL reach) then might as well go BPA.

      https://walterfootball.com/draft2017charlie.php

      • drewthorn

        Seeing as one of those OTs is from Alabama and another came out of absolutely nowhere, I have my doubts about the OT or bust mentality. And that’s before we get to how NFL ready the average rookie tackle isn’t these days.

        • InSiemianWeTrust

          I’d spring for the OT out of ND. The other ones are more suspect.

          I think Cam R. could fill in at RT immediately.

          • Yahmule

            McGlinchey reminds me of Joe Staley.

      • SterlingMalloryArcher

        Over at the same site, Cherepinsky himself has only one OT (Robinson, Alabama) going in the entire first round, though. In his version Denver could trade down and still get Ramcyzk (Wisconsin) or McGlinchey (Notre Dame). We’re going to need to wait at least until after the scouting combine to have any clue how it will shake out.

        • Yahmule

          It will be a highly unusual draft if there aren’t multiple offensive tackles selected in round one. You have to go back to 2006 the last time that happened.

      • Royalwithcheese

        If Reuben Foster is on the board and the Broncos don’t take him, I’ll eat my hat.

    • SterlingMalloryArcher

      I don’t think so.

      • drewthorn

        For the record, I have no strong opinion on it. However, Cook and Fournette don’t appear to be your average RB prospects. Tremendous upside. So it’s harder to reject the possibility entirely, IMO.

        • SterlingMalloryArcher

          It’s certainly possible if Elway feels one or both of those two is a real game changer. If they’re Ezekiel Elliott, great. But what if they’re Mark Ingram? Or pretty-good-not-great? Without some major improvement up front I’m not sure Denver is even able to take advantage of what a great RB has to offer. Then there’s Anderson and Booker, both of whom I’m more than comfortable with, and the fact that often times good talent can be had at that position later in the draft. If one falls to them, maybe it’s a different story, but I don’t see them moving up for an RB.

          • drewthorn

            I wish I was as equally bullish on Booker. Can’t say that I am. At all. His flaws are historically fatal.

    • Nick

      If they want a RB in the 1st round, stay put and take McCaffrey instead.

      • RSH, Esq.

        Some mock drafts have McCaffrey going in the early to mid-second round now. If Cam Robinson is available at pick 20, which some are now projecting, I think that the Broncos have to pounce and hope that McCaffrey does not go in the first round, so that they can trade up in the second round.

        • Nick

          Hence my condition of “If they want a RB in the 1st round”. My main point is that I don’t see Fournette or Cook as so valuable that they should trade up to get one of them.

          • InSiemianWeTrust

            Fournette may be the spearhead of a franchise for years to come. He is simply an unreal physical talent. But it would be cost-prohibitive to go up and grab him.

            I’m intrigued by Joe Mixon. I think he’s 80% as talented as Fournette and will probably go in the 3rd. Off field issues just kill him for me though. And yet some franchise will still luck out and get him on the cheap.

          • drewthorn

            For what it’s worth, Bob Stoops has stood up for Mixon and praised him for recognizing his wrong and taking the steps to right it. Stoops is a pretty solid guy.

            I noticed yesterday somebody advocating Eric Bieniemy as an OC, and he has put together a solid adult life on the heals a very rough go at CU. Redemption is very possible, and I think we can trust Dove Valley to sort that kind of stuff out.

            The other OU RB, Samaje Perine, is pretty good, too.

      • drewthorn

        Part of the spin on Elway’s success is that he has been able to build a roster that isn’t a slave to the franchise QB bill. Leonard F. might be just the ticket if you don’t want too much of your cap going to one guy. You could pay him and a quality LT instead of breaking the bank for some merely acceptable QB in a few years.

        I love the idea of McCaffrey. But he probably will never be the foundational bellcow that you can build an entire attack around.

      • Broncos777

        My favorites at the moment are CMC or ILB Reuben Foster, but I’ve hardly begun to research the draft. CMC could give them a lot of value with the right offensive coordinator.

    • Yahmule

      Leonard Fournette is DEFWU in chiseled human form.

      I would move up for him, meet him at the airport and help him unload the U-Haul. Pairing that guy with this defense. I can’t even imagine how much fun that would be. The third and short issues would be as distant a memory as the games we started Charles Dimry at cornerback.

      • WhoShotBobbyHumphrey

        Hmmm.. Maybe we should just wait for Dylan, to get our McCaffery fix, and take this dude. His stats, and draft report look pretty legit.

      • Snatch Mouth

        Honestly believe McCaffrey gives us a similar amount of potential

  • RSH, Esq.
    • Yahmule

      This is awesome.

    • The Color Orange

      Pussies.

    • ohiobronco

      That would only effect the little people anyway.

    • drewthorn

      So what’s with the burning car? Did it just feed off the stress of its driver and spontaneously combust?

      Reminds me of being on Speer, right off downtown, and this Middle Easternish guy guy just stops his car mid-lane, exits all muttering and frazzled, and starts walking off, shouting to nobody in particular “No! I not know how! I not drive in this!” He just kept walking, undeterred by the protests of drivers and pedestrians alike.

      • Tyler

        Revved their engine too much

    • Broncos777

      This is a picture of Glenwood Avenue in Raleigh posted by WRAL in 2014. I live about a mile from Glenwood Avenue. I left work early today when sleet began to fall. I’m a multiple tour combat vet. The millennial’s eyes popped wide open when I told them–“YOU are leaving early?” I said “hell yeah, I’m not the one I’m afraid of.”

      • Snatch Mouth

        Salut to you sir!

  • RSH, Esq.
    • Nick

      Or maybe they spent the fourth hour picking his brain to find out the best way to stop Tyreek Hill.

      • InSiemianWeTrust

        Hah, I had exactly the same thought.

      • Snatch Mouth

        Without Hills performance….are we even interviewing him?

    • Snatch Mouth

      Is Heckert no longer in the organization?

  • RSH, Esq.
    • The Color Orange

      Hopefully he wants Lynch to have that type of relationship with a Shanahan too.

  • The Color Orange

    Josh McD has his eye on the SF job. In a few months we’ll be hearing how he alienated Kaepernick by trying to trade him for Jimmy Garoppolo. http://m.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Source-49ers-are-Josh-McDaniels-preferred-team-10841023.php

    • Nick

      Fortunately for Kaepernick, he has the ability to void his contract to get out of that potential clusterfuck.

      • The Color Orange

        I like that his reason is Jed York’s commitment to patient rebuilding–the same guy who gave his previous two coaches one year apiece.

      • Snatch Mouth

        Imagine hes gone no matter who gets hired

    • Yahmule

      I’ll start believing in god if this happens.

    • G Mik

      So he’ll be right twice?

  • Random Anonymous Coward

    No fine for Talib. You eye pocking, chain breaker, ass shooting, facemask tackling mothertrucker.
    Love having a first team all pro goon.

    • Hank Mardukis

      True story: my dad doesn’t drink, but he always says he thinks it would be fun to party with Talib. I always add: as long as he isn’t packing.

    • Rhett Rothberg

      Most important person to the success of the Denver D… Wade? Nope? Von? He’s good, but nope. CHJ? No.

      Aqib is the straw that stirs that drink…

      • Snatch Mouth

        Yep and brings the attitude to top it off

    • Yahmule

      I’m watching Friday right now in honor of Talib.

    • Dirty_Sancheese

      How do you get these talib avatars so quickly?

      • Random Anonymous Coward

        The draw play webcomic

  • ohiobronco

    For reference since age seems to be a big thing in the coaching search. Elder Shanny was 43 when he took over as Broncos HC and 44 when he coached his first regular season game.

    • Yahmule

      He was about a year younger than Kyle when he took over the Raiders and was quickly and universally loathed on McDanielsian level.

  • Snatch Mouth
    • Kush-Lash

      Hahaha! It’s funny because it’s not funny. πŸ™